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oladeebo:
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Do you know your right?
Who give you the mandate of writing Yoruba constitution!
Are you have more than 1/30 million of Yoruba right?
why elites stubborn a times?

Yo are not Yoruba. Proof me wrong. Having the ability to speak and write Yoruba language doesn't make you a Yoruba person. So, kindly take away your unproductive and irritating opinion away from those who know the true state of Yoruba land.

AshiwajuFoward:
In my opinion, Lord Lugard must have been under the influence of demons for ceding what we know today as the Yoruba-speaking parts of Kwara and Kogi to the North. But regrettably, the damage has been done and part of the fallout of that decision is that it fostered an identity crisis in some of our subgroups trapped/ceded to the North. That is just the truth and reality we simply have to acknowledge.

In Kwara, the igbominas, Ekitis, Ibolos, Ajase Ipos, and other non-ilorin Yorubas already pretty much see and count themselves as a part of the SW than the North -- this conclusion is based on my personal interactions with folks from these subgroups. Besides, my own mother hails from among the Igbominas domiciled in present-day Kwara. But the ilorins may be a tough nut to crack for obvious reasons.

You will find that some (if not most) of those denying their Yoruba/Ife origins in those parts do so for purely political reasons (simply to demonstrate loyalty/allegiance to, please, and convince the 'core' Northerners) and nothing more.

You asserted the core problem with some Ilorin stock. In fact it was political and the loss of recognition from the Ilorin indigenes after OLU ILORIN Momoh was killed in an uprising in 1893 by other Yorubas in Ilorin . This is the reason for forceful allegiance with the Hausa Fulanis. If you check the current Emir of ILORIN,you will discover that he was the first Emir in ILORIN using the word and identifying with EMIR. The core Muslim clerics from Ilorin hardly use EMIR but referred as Olu Ilorin or Oba Ilorin. Still there is Oja Oba in Ilorin. The previous Leaders were called OLU–ILORIN. The Emir of Ilorin said he his a Muslim head teacher /leader of Muslims in Ilorin. Afonja family took Alimi descendants to court over Ilorin leadership tussle. The few elements in Ilorin, who are lukewarm In the agitation by the larger Yoruba over there are doing it for political reason. The Hausa–Fulani don't trust Ilorin people.Despite their forceful attache to Northern Nigeria,the Hausa Fulani have never use Ilorin Emir as a link to Yoruba land if they want any support of some sort . This is the Point.

deedeedee1:
Egbon, itshekiri should not be included. These guys dont behave like yorubas. Some dont even like us. Even if they want to join, we should reject them. They have chosen another idemtity for themselves. They are not known as yoruba but itshekiri.
Pls dont include them into that map. Let the stay on their own or with the minority south south

I do understand your fear and I share it too. I only emphasise the connection with us. In fact some of them are Odu'a people Congress members. However, we,the larger congressional members of Yoruba stock are not land grabbers, so if they feel uncomfortable within Yoruba nation,we won't force ourselves on them . After all, Dutch, Britain etc are offshoots of Germanic stock and they are doing well. Ifè lo wolè dè ti a un ba Óoré jé éko, ti ilè ahún n to ahún jé.

AshiwajuFoward:
Exactly. Only a minority of those groups still openly identify themselves as Yoruba today. The vast majority have long carved a separate identity for themselves and would rather be identified along those lines.

My view is that we start from our current 6 SW states while consulting with those in parts of Kogi and Kwara. If the Kogi and Kwara ones refuse to commit to the project, that's fine and no hard feelings. After all there are Yorubas in Benin and Togo, and they're cool where they're at while still enjoying good relations with the rest of the wider Yoruba family based on our shared historical and cultural ties.

We mustn't allow any petty excuse to rob us of an opportunity to have a Yoruba country. IMO, Yorubas that are currently not a part of the SW fold but are willing to join their brethren must be vocal and at the forefront of making such ambitions and aspirations known. I am sure the SW states will surely support them if they do. But they must be the ones to make the first moves.

The most aggrieved are the Yoruba in kwara and Kogi and they are always willing to be part of the Yoruba race. Ishekiri isn't a Minority because they are Yoruba. It is only BINI Kingdom that need let be because they forgot their source. The reason you feel the rest don't identify openly is because many don't even know their history. This is the reason it seems so. The Olu Ishekiri/warri identify with ILE IFE, what does it mean?, We don't need soothsayer to know who ishekiri are. Though you have a valid point. But then, point can be valid and still not true. Let us continue with the good work and God will make it materialise.

Jetleeee:
That one or two people from Edo and Delta joined in drafting the document doesn't mean majority of them care about Yorubas or would love to be part of a Yoruba country . Please lets quit the ipob-esque delusion. Have you ever seen Itsekiri or Akoko-Edo repping in any Yoruba event?

The only Yorubas outside the SW are Kwarans and Okun people. The rest are...whatever

No need to consult them for anything. Yoruba is Yoruba. Itsekiri is Itsekiri.

Let us not over drag this because Ishekiri is Yoruba offshoots. The reason people were not in tune with Yoruba tag at first is that, it was used to identify Odu'a descendants by the Malians traders , other traders of Arab descents and Berbers in the olden days. So, don't be too conservative to denying our other sibling in Ishekiri land access to Odua land. Beside, Ishekiri speaks 70.3% (Ijumu/Okun Yoruba), 71.5% (standard Yoruba), 72.0% (Ijesha), 74.0% ( Ekiti) of Yoruba language. Where do you place such people? You need to read their history, written by their people and you will understand ,where they identify with as far as Nigeria is concerned.

ooduapathfinder:
Addendum:

Edo as in Akoko Edo; Delta as in Itsekiri

Editor

There are parts in Akoko Edo that are not Yoruba. It would have been extremely accurate if our people in those places is well emphasised. I would never subscribe to the ideology of occupying territory that doesn't glorify Yoruba land. We, Yoruba know our history and not land grabbers. However, In Ishekiri land, I believe.

HopeAtHand:
You and whoever came up with this Constitution are idiots.

We,Yoruba know, you have your own personal perception but right now, it isn't NEEDED. Kindly keep off this thread with Your misplaced PRIORITY.

9jakool:
It's mainly the Yorubas along the border or well informed people that are very aware of those in countries like Benin. The Yorubas in Nigeria and those in Benin are much closer in reality. This can be especially seen in Ogun West. The Yorubas in Imeko Afon Lga are the same Yorubas found in Ketu in Benin republic. They were under the Kingdom of Ketu and they speak the same dialect. The Anagos in Ipokia LGA are the same Anagos in Porto Novo, Benin.

To add more to this point of yours. The Yoruba in rural or urban in Republique du Bénin are proud of Yoruba heritage. In fact in their museum they have Orisa ibeji etc statute as a form of attraction to the European,American tourists etc . The Yorubas in Bénin are always welcoming if they come in contact with Yorubas from Nigeria. They are honest and educated.

Obaluf0n:
Buooda mi Olu omo Olusi. This is your aburo from Ife o, from ile obatala . Se e wapa?

My dear brother,how are you doing,your family and well wishers ? It has been a long time. I know, by the power of our Eledua, all is well. Kaare O Omo Obatala.

ShangoThor:
My little contribution this afternoon.
I predict this topic in terms of implementation ought to be considered D.O.A.

Basic premise:
Not all sub-collectives relate to being descendants of Ooduduwa, however the common thread running through our collective existence is an affiliation with 'Ile-Ife' as the source.

Thus any idea of a republic ought to be called 'Ile-Ife' or Simply 'Ife' and not 'Ooduduwa' republic.

Now considering this is an idea that needs to be sold to all sub-communities underneath the context of a global or transcending umbrella identity, and it is not going to be IMPOSED, I suggest you do a little bit of consultation unless you are not taking the whole enterprise seriously and you intend to waste people's time.

Cheers

I doubt your postulation to be true if you consider the fact that everyone that moved away from ILE IFE at one time or the other are linked to Odu'a. I mentioned this because they all intermarried among themselves at one point in time or the other. However, because of a genuine concern of yours which I draw wisdom from. However, it is going to be challenging though but it shall be resolved. Though world wide, we are referred to as YORUBA people . Perhaps you can suggest an alternative name that is more appealing or a newly coined one apart from ILE IFE. After all, no knowledge is lost.

MetaPhysical:
I think you may be upto something here. This assertion on Ad being Ado should not be dismissed. Without going into elaborate length here, below, are a few similar name pairs or cognates that are not accidental or coincidences but factual link.





Sometimes I wonder if the chroniclers of the Bible and those who translated the heiroglyphics and cuneiforms records of ancient Assyrian, Mesopotamian, Babylonian, Egyptian, Canaan, Accadian civilizations, got the pronounciation wrong; and if indeed the Yoruba spelling and pronounciation is the true original for the named places, regions and individuals as well as their titles recorded into Biblical accounts and history.

For instance, in the treaty of Lagos of 1864, Ashogbon, the head of the Idejo Chiefs, was recorded as Acheampong. Before invasion into Lagos the British sailors had sojourned in Slave Coast (Ghana) and were familiar with a Chief of the Akan named Acheampong. They approximated Ashogbon's name to what was pre-existing in their lexicon of African names. Unlike Acheampong which is a name, Ashogbon is a title. Dosunmu was written as Docemo. Ijebu was written as Jeboo and Oyo as Eyeo.

We need an assignment, to appoint taskmasters to comb through the Bible and find similars for Yoruba sounding words and list those. Then we need anthropologists, Yoruba language experts, historians, linguists and polyglots that will inspect the name list and decode them and use the criterias of (a) intelligibility; (b) comprehensibility and (c) interpretability, to find positive match or exclude .

Here are some:
Arkite - Ekiti
Amorite - Awori
Idumea - Idu
Nineveh - Ile Ife
Moses - Moshe
Jesus - Esu
Orisen - Orisa
Aaron - Aare
Magog, Gog and Og - Magongo and Ogori
Edomite - Edo
Sargon - Sango
Ark - Aroko
Ephod - Ifa Odu
Hudud/Hadad - Oduduwa
Nimrod - Lamurudu
Aramean - Oramiyan
Ad - Ado
Lot - Ota
Elijah - Ejilu
Malachi - Malaki
Adam - Adimula
Eber - Egba
Eleazer - Lisha
Keturah - Ketu
Tyre - Itire
Jebusite - Ijebu
Girgashite - Ajashe



The following is copied from another contributor here....
https://www.nairaland.com/529907/resurgence-life-yoruba-footprint-history/2#7068269


In addition, there are thousands of cross-matched terms in both Old Hebrew and Yoruba languages.

Elohiym - (Heb - god) = Oluaye (Yob - god/goddess)

Elyown - (Heb - Supreme Being) = Olorun (Yob - Supreme Being)

Elowah/Eloahh - (Heb-GOD/deity) = Oluwa (Yob- GOD)

Eldaah - (Heb- God of knowledge/origin) = Eleda (Yob- God of creation)

Kabbiyr - (Heb- mighty of power) = Kabiyesi (Yob - mighty lord or mighty king)

Esher - (Heb - blessings/happiness) = Eshe (Yob - thanks/gratitude)

Bara - (Heb - create/begin) = Bere (Yob- start/begin)

Ba'al - (Heb - Chancellor/Mayor) = Baale (Yob - Mayor of a town or city)

Baal - (Heb- Husband) = Bale ile - (Yob- Husband/Male head of household)

Owrah - (Heb - Luminous/prosperity) = Ora (Yob - Fat/Blubber)

Owr - (Heb - Light/luminary) = Orun (Yob - Sun)

Addereth - (Heb- Garment or robe of beauty) = Adire (Yob- Indigo garment)

Ayin - (Heb - Eye) = Eyin oju (Yob - Eye) . . . . .This is also the 16th character in the semitic alpha and in ancient mystic order corresponds secret or that which should be in the custody of high priests. This is why the 'eye" is often found in mystic symbols, it denotes the 16th power. This may explain the 16 Odus of Ifa corpus.

Eyphah - (Heb - Mysterious cover or secret code) = Ifa (Yob - Oracle of divination)

Atsah/Atseh - (Heb - To close/fasten or make firm) = Ashe (Yob - Closing to prayer/command)

Am - (Heb- Tribe/flock) = Omo (Yob - Child or belonging to)

Re elayah - (Heb - Punishment/Fear) = Eleya (Yob- Disgrace/punishment)

Dowdow - (Heb - Love/loving) = Ododo (Yob - Rose petal)

Duwd - (Heb - Pot for cooking/Cauldron/Kettle) = Dudu (Yob - Black/Dark)

Amar - (Heb - Talk/tell) = Oro (Yob - Speak/talk)

Imrah (Heb - Inner utterance/wisdom) = Imoran (Yob - Intuition/wisdom)

Ga'ah - (Heb - Height/rise) = Ga (Yob - Height/tall)

Geber/Gabar - (Heb - Valiant/strong) = Agbara (Yob - Strength)

Hader/Heder - (Heb - Adorn/honor/esteem) = Idera (Yob - Honor/success/victory)

Ilm - (Heb - Knowledge) = Imo (Knowledge/understanding)


Then there are root words (tri-literal and quadri-literal) like the three following:

MRM - (semitic - Maryam) = MRM (yoruba - Moremi)

BLQS SHB - (semitic - Bilqis of Sheba) = BLKS SGB (yoruba - Bilikisu Sugbo)

MLK - (semitic - Malik - King or Ruler) = MLK (yoruba - Miliki - Opulence, enjoyment or prosperity)

I have gone through this piece and indeed,it is an eye opener to see the similarity between these words. However, I want to mention here that there is an account of the Yeb to have existed in Egypt and it was a station of warriors of Hebrews during the reign of Hezekiah's military pack with Pharaoh around 4th/5th Century. Perhaps,this is the reason, sometimes, the few descendants, who are not the lineage of Judua (Udua /Odua ) don't believe the Ijebus(Yeb) are younger to the descendants of Odua because they believe they are an older clan among ISERI(Israel) in Amon (part of Egypt) . They have argued that they lived in Amon before the lineage of Odu'a(J–Udua) arrived in Amon (Omu) and they sometimes hold onto this belief . Omu Aran is a description of the identity of Aran descendants in Omu (Amon). Aran(Hebrew's Aaron) descendants are the priestly lineage of the Hebrews. Yeb in Egypt is a region which is located around the creek and accessible to water. Jebusites were a conquered people. Unlike the Ijebu Yorubas who were warriors and having similarities with other Yorubas . The jebusites are not Jeb(Yeb) . Going through the tradition of Yoruba shows that Yoruba are all related and are conscious of each other. A conquered people can't be as courageous as Jeb that have same features with other Yorubas. They are with the same aspirations to become great and excel in their chosen field.

amor4ce:
I didn't offer any perspective but facts.
That period after the expulsion of the oyinbo that Oranmiyan took over the reins of power from Ogun, Ife his reign was engulfed in crises. So he met with his awos who told him te messag of Ifa to to "feed" his father which he bagan feeding Oduduwa. However, there was no improvement so he met with them again and Ifa told him that the perfon he had been feeding was not his father. Upon further investigation he discovered that Ogun was his actual father. Recall that when Ogun was Oduduwa's general he once brought home as part of his booty from one of his military expeditions a woman callef Lakonge who was also a divinity. Oduduwa then demanded that he surrender her to him which he did and Oduduwa "knew" her. But Ogun had already slept with her. The result was a giant (due to his peculiar parentage) who was both light and dark complexioned. This giant was the first post-flood incarnation of Oranmiyan (biblical Nimrod) who first reigned in Oko (Cush) that is now Oke Ona Egba. When he began feeding Ogun, the crises was no more and his name was changed from Oranloyan to Oranmiyan. The name of the odu where this is recorded is Ogunda Oshe; when it comes out during Ifa consultation, the client is told that the person s/he thinks is his/her father is not his/her biological father. Now, could Oranmiyan have thought of Oduduwa as his mother and also Lakonge who breastfed him and was captured by Ogun?

It is disheartening reading this piece of yours because it showed you have no deep knowledge of Adimula at all. It seems the books you read or the part of Odu IFA panegyric you know are literally interpreted by you. You are absolutely wrong about Adimula, Ogun and Oranmiyan. Ogun was not a general under his father but a warrior prince as it was a tradition and their way of life. This is because every child born must first of all be enquired about through IFA to see how his future will look like(Akosejaye) of such son. Until the period of civil war in Yoruba land,where it became an insult on other Yorubas when Modakeke attacked ILE IFE through the help of Ibadan,which was a taboo in Yoruba history. The war were fought and ILE IFE retain her glory and rest is history .The way of life of great princes revolves around war prosecutions and this was a way of life for male descendants of Adimula (Olofin). So, stop all these complicated information you have no knowledge of except you have do research on it to get your fact. The patrilineal descendants of Adimula knows much of their ancestors than you can imagine. And I laugh again at your ignorance because you equated Oranmiyan that lived around 11th century to a period when the world was evolving. Radiocarbon confirm that Opa Oranmiyan isn't as old as people fantasied about. And I guess you have to inform me how the hieroglyph on the Opa Oranmiyan isn't older than 11th century. Kindly explain how Opa Oranmiyan isn't even as old as the existence of Nok or Igbo ukwu archeology findings if you refer to his existence as during the flood period. Yes, there is reincarnation in Yoruba beliefs and I am even one of the assumed reincarnated being. I expect you to understand such assertion. But not what you postulate. Let me inform you that “UR" (Orun) are synonyms with Egypt and Israel. The three destruction that were referred to in IFA panegyric coded account in happened in Egypt. Go and verify when the panegyric interpretation of Odu IFA when it always says(Ni gba Orunmila n bo la ju lè Orun). Lakonge was a daughter Oore clan . Oore's leader was like a son to Adimula. History is there to justify the relationship between Oore and Adimula(Olofin). So, Ogun taking Lakonge and showing to his father was because she was beautiful and that's how it is in Yoruba land. You can't have a father and have wife without showing her to your father. Odu'a was not a Black man. I postulate this because the Ooni bronzes sculpture doesn't have an absolute black man's facial features. Ogun being dark was a result of his own mother . And Lakonge was fair, which explains the reason of the extremely light skin complexion of Oranmiyan and not looking as dark as Ogun. Science has also proven that, there are hormones that makes people attracted to a particular set of complexion. And being attracted to light skin is synonyms with Yorubas to a large extent. So get your facts right.....

Aburi001:
WHAT IS THIS LIFE?

Who ever thought Osibaba would assume this status this time last year?

Answer is NOBODY, not even Tinubu or Osinbajo himself. I pray God gives him more wisdom to pilot the affairs of Nigeria fairly since Buhari no wan come back.


Those in charge of authority today should think twice. Nobody knows tomorrow!

A man is born today, Tomorrow he is dead.
A man lives in a mansion today, Tomorrow he lives
underground.

A man drives a car today, Tomorrow an ambulance
drives him.
A man reads biology today, Tomorrow a biography
is been read of him.

A man eats whatever he wants today, Tomorrow he
becomes food for insects.
A man is seen resting in his house today, Tomorrow he is resting in a coffin. And they say "Rest In Peace"!

A man eats all kinds of fruits in his house today,
Tomorrow he becomes manure to those trees.
A man is known today as the richest man ever,
Tomorrow he doesn't even know where or what will
happen to his riches.

What is life after all?
Plan your life because you may not see tomorrow.
But when your life is well planned you won't Be
afraid of any thing.

Long live Nigeria, long live all the Nairalanders.

Accurately true. Awesome wisdom in this piece of yours.

absoluteSuccess:
You and I know the Yoruba has no book in their antiquity that has survive till our time: but then our fathers often refer to a book of fate in their lamentation. 'Akosile omo eda ti duro', the script written about the son of man has been ordained'.

First, this line was echoed by Christ in the gospel, it is like saying 'the prophecy about the messiah is ordained' or 'the word of God concerning mankind has been written'. Then the ancient Yoruba are either quoting Christ/Christians or their ancestors.

Did ancient Yoruba have history of a book? They do: Odi, is akin to scribe. Odi ara Resa, omoba du, elekoro' koro is the art of writing with ancient Yoruba. Then, ancient Yorubas could read and write: akoka is an ability to read and write, that word ascribe to literacy amond the ancient: ako is also the word for pride.

I think we have record of ancient writers and their alphabets: I found two ancient Yoruba alphabet in the initials of Ogun that folksong preserved: Ogun koro b, t. The man Ogun has the name that started with B and another, T. That possibly are his initials.

We can study the morphology of the two letters to know more and find out how this data might be of help.

From Ado, we alludes to Onitako: that is, onita ko, meaning 'the sales recorder' or selling author. Elsewhere the same word becomes okota: selling author, ikota, bookseller, itako, best seller, record maker, sales scribe, etc.

Onitako is the title of the first ruler of Ado. The fact about an ancient Yoruba book that did not get to us is celebrated in odun idi at ile ife, it is also linked with Ela, omola rere. So the ancient could read and write as we do.

It's amazing to see many people think that ancient Yorubas developed technological ideology within the groove of Yoruba land. There are excavation at ILE IFE, exactly around Olokun axis, in this place there are throve over 10,000 colourful glass beads as well as evidence of glass making tools are found. Even evidence of mass cloth dyeing are found as far back as 16th–17th century, where there were signs of European, Yorubas, Arabs etc came into this area to transact . And the beads production came into being because these people have deep understanding of science and technology. Even it is among the 25 mysteriously archaeological findings on earth .Livescience.com acknowledge it. There is no iota of doubt that the Yoruba are foreigners in this environment for over a thousand years. They had knowledge of the science and technology to a large extent. And to understands the codes in ODU IFA as well as its connection to revolution of science and technology. So interesting, seeing new discoveries about Yorubas.Thank God that some Yoruba archaeologists are taking the bold steps to understand the complexity and archeological studies been carried out at this so wonderful land called ILE IFE, the first resting place of Yoruba Race. A place from which development begun and spread to other part

Hati13:
You are right Brother. Currently, 80% of Ethiopians in elementary and secondary level are learning. But, the quality of the education needs a lot of works.

What about the situation of your country education?

Nigeria's problem is self inflicted. This is because a group in the Northern Nigeria believe in Qur'anic studies which has dragged the country backward . The Qur'anic knowledge acquisition isn't problem but the manner at which some people's understanding doesn't see the need to acquire western knowledge which would have reduced a lot of fabricated problems associated with myth. This is the major problem in Nigeria and this set of people are unwilling to change which is due to the fear of disintegration of Nigeria. The different tribes / ethnicity in Southern part of Nigeria are more educated and are relatively competing among themselves.

Hati13:
It's primary objectives are going to be achieved through:-
- helping the mass poor Amhara peasants.
- bring back all the looted Amhara lands from Tigray, Afar, Oromia and Benishangul-Gumaz.
For example, Wolkait from Tigray
- bringing back the real Ethiopia flag.

Interesting to read your tribe's might in the past. But how did you guys not go into reorientation and mass educating your populace?. By so doing, you might build bridges across the Atlantic Ocean. Education is the key to freedom because it help enhance one's reasoning in a geometrical way.

oladeebo:
olu are you the son of Baba falae.
You didn't own Baba falae than me! back down
The elder state man need to retire from politic ashap!
And face the defense of Yoruba nation of his wish instead of humiliating himself of the national issues he didn't interested in!
Nigeria is not a failed state but Nigeria is a state of failed politicians!
They blame Nigeria and system for the failure but who administered the system?
weren't they the politician?
We were regionalism before, the plitician failed and took us to federation, now they failed Nigeria nation they once again blame the system and were fight anybody to drag us back to regionalism! but for who to rule?
The system we run today have the room for regionalist like Baba falae! if they can administer the diversity of Nigeria, they can go to their region to rule, and if region above their capacity they can go to their local for Chairman, councilor or supervisor!
There is Oba, baale or olori ebi and if they still incompetent for all this I think Ilesanmi will be sure for very one!

I am not Baba Falae's son. But in Yoruba land, irrespective of the misconduct of an old, his grey hair proves him as an experienced man. Politicians didn't cancelled regionalism but the Fulani–Hausas and Aguiyi IRonsi through their taking over the government by the military JUNTA. My dear , check your country's history before you accuse a man who understands the system. If you belong amongst the accuser of Baba Falae, what about those that stole millions in $ and billions in $ ?. After all, his was a gift from one of the most corrupt past president in the person of ex president Goodluck Ebele Jonathan . I needn't mention if you know but I think otherwise because of your wrongful submission. This is the reason that corruption cannot be stopped because the system is designed to allow embezzlement. As far as Yoruba land is concerned, he has reiterated what our hearts want and what we have been agitating for decades. So, forget the over righteousness as if we all aren't human beings. In the WISDOM school of thought , the more a wise man retreat realises his short coming, he retraces his steps. Baba Falae has spoken, either he is should retire or not isn't anyone's business, including you and I. The elders don't retire in Yoruba land. Â o fi owo fa Agba ni o jé ayè o gun..È mi fi owo fun Agba oooh.

oladeebo:
I would have love if Baba falae is a nationalist elder state man in Nigeria!
but......
its a pity, playing politics with Nigeria nation is bad.
restructure ad secession is a worst Decision the greedy politician make against Nigeria, if "some have and other didn't!"
who were those baba falae refereed to?...politicians! but does that concern the "citoyen lamdart"
Why baba falae and all the Nigerian politicians blame their failure on Nigeria system?
But baba falae is wrong to call Nigerian fool, because Nigeria rejected the confab by voted get out of power!
if they really love confab, they would have voted gej.
So any politician who failed to earn the trust of all Nigerian or haven't the broad mind, courage to face the challenges of the diversity of Nigeria still have room in Nigeria political set up of today, Such a politician can go and rule his region or his local, why politicians or greedy elite want to kill Nigeria at all cost?
The Elites and the politicians must know their limit among the nation because, They were Nigerian "Servant"........ Civil servants or office holder servants!
They must back down!
oladeebo

Are you a Yoruba ? Do you think Elder Falae is speaking his personal opinion or the opinion of God? Think deep before you castigate the man. Nigeria is on the path of disintegration if not checked to correct the the anomaly.

Smoothie01:
It's funny how most southwesterners use Wole Soyinka's act in the civil war as a reference point even though it was never supported by a vast majority of them.
It won't be surprising if they also make similar allusions to the likes of ffk, Fayose et al(who they've repeatedly disowned on this forum) in later years in an attempt to give a false impression (to unsuspecting neutrals) that they were "supportive" of others who never returned such "support".

So you think, wole Soyinka and Banjo were the only ones that fought for Biafra right? You are an absolute ignorant personified. So, Banjo will only rely on Ibos to fight behind him? Get a Brian. If it were Ibos only, why did Ibos loose immediately they killed Banjo? You will rot in Your hate towards Yorubas. We are matching to greatness. Yoruba rules

SirWere:
This is one of the limitations of not being in a separate Oodua nation, I suppose. We don't even acknowledge Yorubas in Benin Republic much talkess of Brazil.


It's a pity though, we can use the strength of these Cultural relationships to build trade bridges into South America and speed up National Development.

Honestly it's indeed a good reason. Imagine, when the United States of America has made conclusion to fuse Yoruba language into their academic curriculum and some few Yorubas are blind to see it. Eledumare will open our inner eyes to see the plan God has for us.

MetaPhysical:
She is wearing a coronet, a non-sacred crown. The coronet is what is placed on heads of Erelus or Princesses on the throne in the interim of settling on a successor to a deceased Oba. A king may also place the coronet on head of a heir-prince for blessings, as was the case when Oba Akinsemoyin sat his crown on head of little Ologun Kutere and signalled beginning of a new dynasty.

Yoruba traditional crowns (sacred) are of two, or perharps more, but I am conversant with two and the perched birds are common to both.

1 - beaded
2 - non beaded.

Beside these two there are special crowns, worn only for certain rituals, for instance the Aare Crown.

Do you really think, this Oluiwo is justifying this great exalted position, he occupies with all these controversies around him? So, disheartening seeing all the negative impression, he is adorning Yoruba heritage with his “funkify " style, that are not part of Yoruba's king's characteristics. Reading some piece about him at times make me feel moody.


Greetings

MetaPhysical:
She is wearing a coronet, a non-sacred crown. The coronet is what is placed on heads of Erelus or Princesses on the throne in the interim of settling on a successor to a deceased Oba. A king may also place the coronet on head of a heir-prince for blessings, as was the case when Oba Akinsemoyin sat his crown on head of little Ologun Kutere and signalled beginning of a new dynasty.

Yoruba traditional crowns (sacred) are of two, or perharps more, but I am conversant with two and the perched birds are common to both.

1 - beaded
2 - non beaded.

Beside these two there are special crowns, worn only for certain rituals, for instance the Aare Crown.

Do you really think, this Oluiwo is justifying this great exalted position, he occupies with all these controversies around him? So, disheartening seeing all the negative impression, he is adorning Yoruba heritage with his “funkify " style, that are not part of Yoruba's king's characteristics. Reading some piece about him at times make me feel moody.

Brugo:
Gbam!

When Soyinka was imprisoned because of these Biafrans they mocked him. The same Biafrans executed Brigadier Victor Banjo when he tried to avoid needless bloodshed at Ore. He was trying to save the lives of the ragtag soldiers Ojukwu was bent on wasting. It was easy to turn on him because he was a Yoruba man.

Falana should realise that Igbos do not deserve his support. Let them face their problems alone. They never remember those who help them. Ask Doctors without borders who never got as much as a thank you from Biafrans after 50 years.

I wonder what concerns him with an Aboki's matter against Ibos. I hope the outstanding elderly lawyer will mind his own business . Imagine the insult on his personality? So pathetic.

Cooly100:
Anyone who thinks Nigeria can stick together is either a fool or an enemy of the country —Falae

What do you make of the current heated debates over the unity and survival of the country?

The recent noise we are hearing is a symptom that the basic problem of Nigeria is rearing its ugly head again. Nigerians like to pretend that things are okay when they are not. The fundamental problem is that of an unjust, distorted federation which has been manipulated to favour one section against the other. There is no way such an unjust arrangement can endure or generate peace and stability. It is not possible. In 2014, after a lot deferring and hesitation, the former President Goodluck Jonathan finally convened the 2014 National Conference, there were various predictions that it would achieve nothing or that it would break up in confusion and that there would be riot or that there would be fight. But none of the above happened. It was as if God himself started to have a hand in the affairs of Nigeria. I was made the leader of the Yoruba delegation and in that capacity, I can say with all humility that I was at the very core of what happened at the conference. Maybe that was the first time Nigerians recognised that changing the constitution was the most effective strategy in returning peace and stability to Nigeria. All the delegates at the conference cooperated at getting all the resolutions passed without a single division of voting. It is important, because, in our history, we have never succeeded in coming to so many conclusions that constitute a package on the basis of consensus. What that means to me is that Nigerians recognise that if we want to live together as a country, there must be give and take; that nobody can say that he must take everything and the other people take nothing. That was how we agreed. Over 600 resolutions were taken. They said there had been conferences in the past. But did any of these passed 600 resolutions by consensus? Which one did? The one held in London or Ibadan? It was the most glorious meeting and decision Nigeria has ever had by my account.


What about Northern leaders who are now backing out?

Mention the names of any of those leaders who signed the report and are now saying they made a mistake. Of course, there would always be dissenters. There were leaders in the North and West who opposed the conference. In any case, if there is anybody now backing out, has that removed their signature? The logic of the situation and the demand of the people will overwhelm their resistance. I am not a prophet, Nigeria has no choice, if it wants to survive, but to implement the report of the 2014 National Conference. The alternative will be chaos, inferior and be unpatriotic.


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Real warning from a seer.....

True hero always live forever in the heart of their descendants... Yoruba people always come with exemplary bravery and greatness. A hero he was, which is the reason that he is always remembered for his DEED .

BabaRamota1980:
Thanks bro. When it comes to all these spiritual talks im a layman but i try to follow along. Sometimes i get it, most times i dont. Have you read a online blogger called janice on genesis? This person has written things that confuse me more than they guide me. I see someone mentioned dierk lange. I agree that professor is hiding a lot of what he knows but the ones he shares are like speaking tongues in my ears. . Then i also read tony smith and his scientific approach to explain Ifa and i folllow along but its all complex and it becomes boring. Its a lot out there. The ones that have unlocked Yoruba history myths and roots are so stingy with what they know that the little they share have also been carefully packaged to cause more confusion and reveal less. Wicked! . Everybody eslse is spinning fantasy. But you see the fantasy sound sweet for consumption. Hahahahahaha...

Yeah, I understand your point bro. But you see, there are some of us that are positioned to open the eyes of some of our contemporaries that seems to be emotionally attached to Afrocentrism. Although, there isn't any crime being proud about the role God has positioned Africa continent among the continent of the world, which has about 90% of the world resources deposited in her. And this things are divine for some of us who attach divinity to everything to nearly all our daily activities. While the doggedly scientists will claim it is all the work of NATURE. However, Spiritualism is always ahead of physicalism,which is the school of thought I belong. As far as some people misinterpret the IFA corpulent and think it is all about things that had to do with the past. And not been able to understand that IFA speaks in proverbs, provide leeway to appease one's Eleda, direct one's path to greatness as well as advice against dangers etc . There are so many things that our forefathers left as a link to show us where we came from, even if there were no concrete written evidence. The sculpture , beads production, clothing design pattern, the way orisa shrine are built within its closeness to one's house, the way our huts houses were built in the olden days which was exactly how it was built in part of North Africa, the type of arrow we used,which were similar to North Africans, etc Show who our ancestors were and the direction they came through . Evidences keeps coming out to proof that we are the children of Abraham even if Yoruba didn't claim it openly like Ibos do . It is only in the Bible that it was told to Abraham by God that his DESCENDANTS will occupy every corner of the world .And the Yoruba oral history specifically mentioned in her oral historical account that all the world descended her. It was laughable in the past because it looked ridiculous but today DNA again has provided evidences that there are many people in the world having Yoruba DNA link. If Yoruba oral history is being condemned, what about the proof of the DNA? All of these point to the direction of Yoruba people as children of Abraham.