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You are right and wrong at the same time.

You are right because we are indeed to walk in love to please God and be 'rapturable'.

You are wrong, however, because you only emphasized one side. This Jesus and Apostles did not do.

They told us to walk in love and serve God with dedication BUT THEY ALSO asked us TO GET READY FOR THE WORSE WITH SPECIAL EMPHASIS ON THE GREAT TRIBULATION.

A student is not only just being a good student obeying school rules but he must prepare for exams. He's being a obedient student is not what gives him marks for exams. He must do exams. Some not so good student may pass the exams while the school rules complaint one fail. Remember first being last and last being first warning of Jesus.

Same goes for soldier. He prepares for war.

But we have been told 'no war' yet we are soldiers. 'No exams' yet we are students!

Many will fall away when they see antichrist that they've been told that they would never see! What a lie from the pit of hell to get unprepared!

Also know that 'tribulation saints' who will 'save themselves with their own blood', is a fabrication of men. Because once rapture takes place the wrath of God starts to be poured on earth IMMEDIATELY AS IT WAS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH AND LOT.

brodalokie:
For sure you weren't lied to but it is not a sin to be shaken in faith, endour persecution he said. There are those whose name has been written in the Lambs Book of Life before they were even born, those ones will not be surprised when they see the beast in person, although they missed the rapture. They are the foolish virgins.
The rapture is not a reoccurring event, it will happen once throughout the WWW - Whole Wide World and it is a sign that Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem will be built, which can not happen without chasing the Muslims who now controls the better quarters of it. I don't see that on the news yet. So we are still checking to see maybe we missed it.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE THAT MISS THE RAPTURE?

As usual December don come.

Blackmail don start.

Adakintroy:
Like I said be guided by the spirit. All generation witness their form of tribulations. Christ told his own deciples. That when they are pesecuted in one town, that they should flee to another. But hear this, He assured them that surely they would not have gone through all the towns before the son of man returns. Where are all the deciples, they are all dead.were is christ?

Be guided by the spirit. some things are literal others are riddles.

Matthew 24 is about the end times not just any generation. The last generation of believers in association with Daniel's 70th week and the abomination that makes desolate, the final antichrist.

Please let us wake up as Christians. Let's stop deceiving ourselves. We have been lied to that great tribulation is not for us. That rapture will take place just anytime contrary to Jesus and the Apostles teaching on the subject matter.

Adakintroy:
Making arguments about things you know nothing about or permitted in spirit to talk about is a sin. You could easily wonder into blasphemy. Stay within the realm of things you know.

Better yet practise love. And leave matters that can lead to arguments alone. When christ will come neither of us will be aware(Christ himself said he know nor the hour). So keep your heads down and continue the good work of faith.

No one knows the time of His coming for us. But the rapture will occur after the great tribulation. Let the Church get ready for tough times!

Yes! Rapture will happen but " Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days"

Matthew

24:29

Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (COSMIC DISTURBANCES)

24:30

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: (THE SHEKINAH) and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, (IN ANTICIPATION OF THE WRATH OF GOD) and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

24:31

And he shall send his ANGELS with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they shall GATHER TOGETHER his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (ANGELS EFFECT THE RAPTURE).

MrPRevailer:
Verse 14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come".

THE END OF THE DISPENSATION OF THE GENTILES (The Rapture of the saints).

There will be a remnant of people who will not receive the mark, dead/alive. They will be gathered to join Jesus and his armies on his victory match to Jerusalem, Armeggeddon. (THE SECOND COMING).

The 2nd coming will not be a single 24hr day event just as His 1st coming was not a single event. His 1st coming was from His birth to His death and resurrection up to His departure captured in Acts chapter 1.

The 2nd coming starts at the rapture to His landing on Mt Olives with us!

alBHAGDADI:
Unbelief in Jesus.

Yes.

jiggaz:
A Bible Study by Don Koenig


In 2Th 2:3 Paul clearly tells us that the Day of Christ will not come unless two things first take place. The apostasia happens followed by the son of perdition being revealed.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

The word interpreted as a falling away in the King James version is the Greek word apostasia. Bible translators unfortunately have translated this Greek word as the English word Apostasy which means to “fall away” as in falling away from the faith. The word apostasia actually means to physically depart from someone or something. Also the words “that day shall not come” is in italics in English Bible translations because these words are not in Greek text. Apparently the Bible translators were trying to fill in the blanks. However, in this case doing so made the translation more confusing.

This translated passage would better read “Do not let anyone deceive you in any way, because that Day will not come unless first comes the departure, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition”.

All Bible translations that say falling away, rebellion, revolt, or anything similar are just trying to define the word apostasy for you but the context does not suggest the English word apostasy should even be used. One of the best short studies I have seen on this is done by Dr. Gary Gulan. I highly recommend that critics of this departure interpretation read his arguments.

Dr. Guland is not alone in his interpretation. Dr. Andy Woods does a complete study on 2Th 2:3 in this hour-long Video. Dr. Woods also believes that Paul is talking about the departure of the Church in the Rapture. Dr. Thomas Ice and other scholars have come to the same conclusion. The article I linked to and the Woods video will give you all the technical information about the passage. Parsing out all the fine details is over my head so I will just stick to a few common sense arguments for this not talking about a general apostasy from the faith.

The latter-day idea that there will be a great apostasy from the Christian faith hinges on the dubious translation of the single word apostasia. Also, if apostasia is to interpreted as the scholars I referenced suggest, it could lend overwhelming evidence for a pretribulation Rapture. By saying apostasia means a falling away from the faith, a false end times theology could be being advanced and it could also be degrading another. Should any questionable word have such power?

We were warned that in the last days there would come wolves in sheep clothing, wicked vile people and those embracing false doctrines. However, this is not the same as a general apostasy from the faith. These people might call themselves Christians but they never were in the faith.

The Church Age is defined by Jesus in the seven letters to the seven churches in Revelation. Five of the visible church types during the Church Age receive correction from Jesus but overcomers are found in all of them. All people born of the Holy Spirit are overcomers. In Revelation we are told that some of the visible Church on earth is near dead or grows lukewarm. We can observe that in history and see it in Christendom today but that never was generally true everywhere on earth and is not likely to become true everywhere on earth before the Rapture. Much of the Church from now until the end can be identified with Philadelphia and Philadelphia is faithful and promised to be kept out of the tribulation. Obviously Philadelphia endures until the Rapture. So we know there is no general apostasy among Bible believers who are waiting for the Lord’s coming.

At what point can we say that this apostasy from the faith is fulfilled? And if we cannot define what becomes general apostasy why would Paul even give it as something we should know? It’s not logical.

The mystery of the Rapture of the Church was revealed by Paul in 1st Thessalonians so it only makes sense that in his second letter to them he is building on what he already taught them. He even says so. The Thessalonians were shaken by a forged letter saying they were already in the tribulation. Therefore, it makes sense for Paul to be reminding them that they could not be in the Day of the Lord because the Church had not departed yet. The context also supports that premises because the following verses tell us that someone is restraining the revealing of Son of Perdition and the most logical conclusion to that is the one doing the restraining is the Holy Spirit within the Church. Therefore, the Day of Christ cannot come before the Rapture of the Church.

The notion that Paul was telling the Thessalonians that there first had to be a falling away from the faith would have made no sense to the people he wrote the letter to. There would have to have been a third letter to the Thessalonians to define what in the world Paul was talking about. The fact that no instruction was needed implies that they understood what Paul was saying. The Rapture Theology had already been defined in Paul’s first letter. How would the Thessalonians even be aware of a general apostasy from the faith in the world? They could not. So why mention it to them without giving any rational explanation about that apostasy?

Throughout the Church Age on earth there are those that departed from true Christianity because they were not of us. However, Christians born of the Spirit do not depart from the faith. Paul obviously was talking to mostly believers and it actually made no sense for Paul to be telling mostly believers that they were not yet in the tribulation because they have not yet observed any general departure from what they believed.



Are we really to believe that Christians will apostatize from the faith in these last days before the Holy Spirit completes the fullness of the Gentiles that make up His Church? Scripture teaches that when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in the Church age ends. The great deception comes on the world after the Church is removed and the Antichrist is revealed, not before. If there were a great apostasy before the Antichrist, why would the religious world even need a false Christ to deceive them?

Is this supposed great apostasy coming all over the world at the same time or is it just in the West? I say that because today we see many conversions to the true faith taking place in nations where there is persecution. Is it just the rejection of true Christianity in the Western nations that qualifies to fulfill the supposed apostasy from the faith?

There is a fundamental concept involved here. Does the Holy Spirit lose the ability to draw people to Christ in these last days or does the Church stay on the offensive until Jesus comes? Does the Church display that the gates of hell cannot prevent the gospel from going out? Or is the great commission agenda defeated by Satan so God has to remove the Church. The fundamental concept is who is sovereign?

We can all weigh the arguments about 2Th 2:3 and decide for ourselves what view makes the most sense. A great apostasy from the faith just before the Antichrist or a Rapture just before the Antichrist? The first view makes it difficult for confessing Christian to even expect to stay saved until the Rapture, but the second view tells us what occurs immediately after the body of Christ is removed. I think it is much more likely that Paul was talking about the departure of the Church in the 2Th 2:3 passage. If that is the case, we need no more proof that the Rapture will take place before the tribulation because Paul in the 2Th 2:3 passage has clearly defined the timing of the departure of the Church for us.

https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/2th-23-pretribulation-rapture-departure-or-apostasy-from-the-faith.html

Lies and twisting of the word!

The Rapture takes place AFTER the tribulation:

Matthew

24:29

Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (COSMIC DISTURBANCES)

24:30

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: (THE SHEKINAH) and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, (IN ANTICIPATION OF THE WRATH OF GOD) and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

24:31

And he shall send his ANGELS with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they shall GATHER TOGETHER his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (ANGELS EFFECT THE RAPTURE).

That's why Jesus began by saying, "Let NO MAN DECEIVE you"

Unbelief

Why should government spend N200m on Christmas? Is it their business?

We created Christmas not God. A major unbiblical distraction from God. Mere, empty religious practice. What Jesus asked us to do we fail to do. It is what He didn't ask us to do that we do with fanfare!

Jesus is Lord!!!

He had zeal without knowledge! Pity!!

God says "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge"

Jesus was drinking water while He was fasting!

Note:

Matthew

4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

WAS THIS PASTOR LED BY THE SPIRIT? NO! HE LED HIMSELF TO THE WILDERNESS.

4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

JESUS WAS HUNGRY AFTER THE FAST. NOT THIRSTY!!!!

4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

STONE BE MADE BREAD NOT WATER

4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

SUMMARY: He killed himself in ignorance and put the name of God in disrepute.

dynicks:
What manner of fuckery is going on in this country of late?....honestly the rate of evil perpetration has skyrocketed ooo

End times are here!

CChillz:
Sowore your time never come, its not yet time for power to change hands to the youths. We Nigerians as a nation are not ready to stop giving the elders power

Unfortunately true. But there must be someone to bell the cat and a starting point.

7Ebisco:
Olufunke Bucknor Obruthe, sister to Inspiration FM’s deceased on-air personality, Oluwatosin ‘Tosyn’ Bucknor, has disclosed that her sister died due to complications from sickle cell.

DAILY POST had reported that the OAP died at the age of 37 .

The deceased was reportedly found dead by her husband, Aurelien Boyer, when he arrived home from work on Monday night.

The news was confirmed by her former colleague at Top Radio, Wale Adigun, via his Twitter account.

“So full of life, excitement and always willing to lend a helping hand. This is so devastating!!

“Rest on Voice of Lagos. Rest on Tosyn Bucknor,” Adigun wrote.

Olufunke Bucknor reacting to the death via her Instagram page @funkebucknor said;

“Hmmmmm… My heart is heavy, but in all things we give thanks to God.

“My darling sister and besto Tosyn passed away last night due to complications from sickle cell.

“Love you.”

Meanwhile, Nigerian celebrities have taken to their Twitter pages to express sadness over her death.

https://www.mcebisco.com.ng/2018/11/tosyn-bucknor-cause-of-popular-oaps.html

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Her death should still be investigated.

theoldpretender:
Sickle cell anemia has a host of complications that can cause problems down the road.

She fought the battle well...too bad she could not finish it.

Soon and very soon....a cure will be found.

Has been found, somehow:

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/stem-cell-transplant-reverses-sickle-cell-disease-adults

alBHAGDADI:
All my life, I've always believed in a rapture doctrine which says before the great tribulation and before the unveiling of the Antichrist, Christians will be raptured into heaven to meet Jesus. They say Jesus will come like a thief in the night, secretly to help his believers escape the tribulation which the Antichrist will unleash.

This concept has been made popular by movies like LEFT BEHIND and some America. televangelists. Before 1800, there was no church or preacher holding such doctrine. It was started by a man named John Darby who even wrote his own Bible which lacked key verses. Today, the doctrine is held by roughly 65% of Christians. The doctrine that we will escape the tribulation is false and not Biblical.

Jesus himself spoke of when the rapture will take place. Notice how his disciples asked him to tell them what the signs of his coming will be.

Mathew 24:3
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Now read the further

24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

In verse 9, Jesus spoke of Christians getting delievered up for persecution and are killed. That is the tribulation. But false teachers have taught that the people who will face such are unbelievers who are left behind after Christians have been raptured. Well, basically we all agree that the tribulation involves persecution. But the confusion here is who are the people to face the tribulation? Some believe it is unbelievers after Christians have been raptured, while some say it is Christians who will be persecuted by the Antichrist for failing to received the mark of the beast. Let's allow the Bible settle this confusion.

First, let us see whether Christians will be raptured before the tribulation or not.

[Mathew 24:29-31
24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Did you see the bold part in the passage above? Did you also see that the rapture takes place immediately after the tribulation of the end times? The events in verse 30 to 31 are the same as described by Apostle Paul in...

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

But some people have deceived many by saying that what Jesus said in Mathew 24 cannot be the rapture because he was talking to the Jews and not to Christians. Why is it not the rapture when it is the same event described by Paul? Trumpet, angels, God's people getting caught up to heaven etc.

Yes, Jesus was talking to the Jews because his disciples who asked him to tell them about the end time were still under Judaism. But if you read Mark 13 and Luke 21, you will see that it's the same thing Jesus said in Mathew 24. At the last verse of Mark 13, Jesus said what he's saying to the people whom some quarters are saying is not the church, he's saying to ALL which includes the church.

Mark 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

Now, we see that the tribulation occurs before the rapture, but who carries out the tribulation and what is it exactly? The tribulation is the persecution of Christians at the end time such as never was and never will be.

Mathew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Christians will be beheaded and persecuted all around the world. This persecution will be carried out by the Antichrist engineered by Satan himself.

Mathew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)


The Abomination of Desolation is the Antichrist who exhaust himself above everything called god and forces people to worship him.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Did you read the passage above? Did you see where it spoke about the coming of our Lord Jesus? Did you see in verse 3 that the day which Jesus will come will not exists until the man of sin (Antichrist) is revealed? Read verse 4 as well.

Yet some people say Christians won't face the tribulation even when the Bible says the Antichrist who will persecute during the tribulation will come first before Jesus Christ who will come and deliver Christians from his grip. Many will mistake him for Christ.

Mathew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

This Antichrist will wage war against the saints.

Revelations 13:4-8

13 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

As you can see above, the Antichrist exhalst himself and blasphemes God's name. Is this not the same man Paul spoke of in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, whom he said must first come before Jesus Christ comes back?

Now as seen in verse 7 above, the Antichrist wages war against the saints and will overcome many. Why is he waging war against the saint if some people believe the saints wont be around during the tribulations? In verse 13, everyone on earth is seen worshiping the Antichrist. Those who won't worship him are those whose names are written in the book of life. This is what will anger the Antichrist and make him wage war against them with great tribulation and persecution.

Revelations 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

What we see so far is that people with their names in the book of life won't worship the Antichrist. But I ask, what are they doing on earth? I thought some people said they would have been raptured and escaped.

The proponent of a pre-tribulation rapture doctrine have said that the people left behind will be unbelievers who will now have to pay with their blood to get saved. They are the ones the Antichrist will persecute. This is a lie. If all Christians will be raptured before the tribulation, then those left will be unbelievers who are already tools of Satan. Do you expect someone who doesn't give a damn about Jesus to stand with Jesus when a cutlass is placed on his neck? He will gladly received the mark of the beast because he's not used to suffering for Christ whom he never believed in.

In revelations 12:17, we see that Satan will make war against those who hold the testimony of Jesus Christ. How some people believe that the people that Satan will make war against are unbelievers is what baffles me. Do unbelievers hold the testimony of Jesus? No.

Basically, what we've seen so far is that the Antichrist comes first, then follows a great tribulation which involves the persecution of Christians. It is immediately after the tribulation that Jesus Christ will appear and will redeem his people through a rapture.

Don't let anyone deceive you. Prepare yourself for that day which is fast approaching.

God bless you!

Religion deceives.

Religion enslaves.

Religion divides.

Religion destroys.

Religion kills.

Religion was created by Satan to ensure that the wages of sin will result in eternal death for the deceived from birth to physical death.

Jesus has delivered us from sin and religion.

I weep for my country!

"Christianity left Israel as a relationship, entered Rome as a religion, got to Europe as politics and came to Africa as business"

Good analysis!

Genesis

16:11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.

16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

WetinConsignMe:
Thanks for your cerebral response.
BTW @bolded, the NT is full of "for the time is at hand." Well it is 2000 years later...

The time of Christ's return indeed is at hand. The signs are all around us!

May we be ready to receive Him when He finally returns.

Happy Sunday & blessed week ahead, you and yours!

WetinConsignMe:

The biblical book of Revelation: acceptance and dispute

What's your opinion on this?

"the Church was slow to accept Revelation as scripture." 1 Origen, an early Christian theologian, used the term antilegomena to describe those books whose inclusion in the official canon of the Bible was actively disputed. In the fourth century CE, when the canon of the Bible was assembled from among the approximately 50 gospels and hundreds of epistles then in use by the Christian movement, Revelation was only reluctantly included. "To this day, Orthodox churches do not use Revelation for scripture readings during worship." 1 

Martin Luther downgraded the significance of Revelation. It portrays God as inflicting horrendous punishments on humanity -- a concept that is today sometimes called "Ambush Theology." Luther concluded that he could not readily harmonize the God described in Revelation with the God to whom Jesus prayed to as Abba. When Luther translated the Bible into the German language, he downgraded Revelation by relegating it to an appendix.
Omojeesu

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/religion-spirituality/587741-book-revelation-almost-didnt-get-into-2.html#ixzz5WSvJx2df

The Church has benefited from progressive knowledge of the Scripture. At appropriate times God gave understanding and conferred acceptance of His word to newer generations.

Also each man of God understood and presented the word to the extent of the light he had from the Holy Spirit in his generation.

Note:

Daniel 12:4

But thou, O Daniel, SHUT UP THE WORDS, and SEAL THE BOOK, EVEN TO THE TIME OF THE END: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Thus people lacked adequate insight because of this. Later the seal was removed for the Church and revelation came at appropriate times.

Revelation 22:10

And he saith unto me, SEAL NOT THE SAYINGS of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

The Holy Spirit supervised the collection, examination and inclusion of Books forming the Canon of the Scripture.

SKhanmi:
The future is AI. Even humans would end up with bionic implants or totally graduate to transhumanism. Perfect for control.

Exactly!

Revelation 13:15 New Living Translation (NLT)

15 He was then permitted TO GIVE LIFE TO THIS STATUE SO THAT IT COULD SPEAK. Then the statue of the beast commanded that anyone refusing to worship it must die.

New Living Translation (NLT)

May he not go the Michael Jacko way with Sony!

One-Chance Politicians!

Illogical Logic of a Corrupt Mind!

Illiterates and the poor are easy to exploit. The dream of the ruling elite globally, especially of our kind, is to keep the people ignorant and poor.

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Security personnel

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