₦airaland Forum

dayokanu:
Dry bones shall rise again, dry bones shall rise again

Lord Jehovah is able to do all things

He is able able dry bones shall rise again

In the latter days, the blind shall see, the cripple shall walk and the dumb shall walk

Says the Lord of hosts

Na me you dey call "dry bone"? Abeg mind yourself o! hehe.  

Anyway, please repent first before using the name of the most high.  

@Topic

Please let the SNC begin yesterday!
We need peaceful co-existence, or peaceful separation. Simple.

NorthSharp:
I have never heard any Northerner who would be as foolish as to blame the Igbos, or any ethnic group for that matter, for whatever problems who have in the North.

If we were that silly, there would not have been MILLIONS of Igbos STILL living and doing so incredibly well in their businesses in the North.

The Igbo in the North are there MAINLY because they are naturally thick skinned and are prepared to rought it out there. It does not necessarily mean that you Northerners protect them. That is why they fall casualty disproportionately than other southerners living in the North

There are at least hundreds of thousands of Hausa/Fulanis living in the East and doing well there too. In fact they enjoy more peace than Igbos in the North.

Look, not to beat my chest, but we Igbo have ONE thing we do quite well, and that is COPY good cultures, whether African or non-African. That is why we copied western education and quickly embraced it till date. We copy anything good and try our best to reject bad things.
There is at least ONE thing you Hausa/Fulai should copy from we Igbo, and that is the culture of PROTECTING FOREIGNERS IN YOUR LAND.
In any crisis, we endeavor to protect foreigners, or at least allow them safe passage return to their home lands.

Why don't you Northerners do the same?

Obiagu1:
By 2015, SS presidency will end, make I hear kpim from them again.


If GEJ cannot restructure this country now, who will do it? A Northerner?

Bros I'm thinking that our support for GEJ may have been in vain because the more I look to see any transformative agenda from him, the less I see any.
His body language these days even shows that he is almost comfortable with the status quo. That is why I say that I won't support him past December this year.
He has to show that he is serious about changing Nigeria.

Dudu_Negro:
I looked at the title. . .and saw the top and bottom lists and felt a sense of injustice that except Imo, every other SE state is on the bottom 18.  Thats not fair!  I speak to truth when truth needs to be voiced.   . . . . but I see you want something else.  So I will give you an answer.

. . . there was no war in 1954 when the blueprint I referred to was established.   Nigeria should have been independent in eithr 1954 or 1956, and not 1960.  It was more probable in 1956 but there was a gap at the regional level.  I wont go into that for now.  

Resource allocation to states has nothing to do with winning war.  There are layers of overseers to ensure that the distribution is fair based on the adopted criterias for allocating.  There are certain things you must consider on this topic.

1. Land size.  The size of your land means nothing unless you plan to tap into its resourcefullness in terms of land development and usage.  Based on this, how many development plans are on the table in the SE that are designed to attract population growth and urban development?  

2. Population.  If X millions of Ndigbo are in Kano, then then that means SE is without that X population. . . . because they cannot exist in two places simultaneously.  So this extra swell must be catered for in Kano.  The burden of catering for them is the responsibility of Kano, not SE.  So guess where the money goes?  

If xmillions of Ndigbo is in Katsina, that means SE is minus that x number of people.   So the impact of negative allocation is not just based on population count alone, there is also projection for migratory patterns based on historical actuals.  

SE needs to get its act together , if you love occupying other people land, then you or FG . . . . somebody must cater for their need on that land.  The flow of money follows this swell and also the fact that you cannot attract positive population growth mdefeats your argument for getting a big chunk of the allocation.

Okay I have to say this at this time.

I personally believe that SE should focus more on effectively utilizing whatever allocations are coming in now because there is no proof that more allocation =more development of infrastructure.
I would use Anambra as an example. The state gets an allocation of about $455m annually. I have not added internally generated revenue. Total state income could be anywhere around $500m (for example). I personally witnessed what Dr Chris Nwabueze Ngige was able to do with this money. Without exargerating, the state could have become completely networked with modern roads in about a period of 8 years. That is why it pains me that Peter Obi is not putting the debate beyond reach.

Gov Rochas Okorocha is attempting some of my expectations of what is possible with CURRENT allocations. Imo does not receive much different from what Anambra receives. FACT.

So, let the debate continue.

Dudu_Negro:
. . . dont you notice that most times when referring to Yorubaland I use West instead of SW? We have to be smart. . . . thats why we went and earned degrees.

I totally concur.

In Igbo we say "Okuko na akpa nri, anya uhie akola ya" -when the hen feeds bending down, it must never lose focus on the sideviews of things (because hawks and kites may swoop down).

BTW that is also part of why I (personally) don't believe in (and I don't accept them either) the geopolitical zones in the south, especially those in the East and former midwest.
Today the North is still ONE while the south is THREE.

Dudu_Negro:
Illustration of how creation of states and further division into geo zones impact your share of national allocations.

1. The Northerners are ruling from a political blueprint created in 1954.
2. The Westerner and the Easterner are much easier and willing to adopt a new region for themselves, SW (instead of West) and SE instead of (East). . . . the Northerner has stubbornly retained his North (even though there is NW, NE and NC, he refuses to recognize them in matters of resource allocation).
3.  A Northerner looks at his North as an integral one piece and views others as divided States.  
4.  If all the Southern stateas combined were to withdraw their members from NASS, the Northern states alone will satisfy the conditions and requirements of 1/3 in order to form a quorum and operate Nigerian government.  
5.  If the Northern states withdraw members from NASS, the ability of the Southern states to operate government will constitutionally be crippled.

How do we fix the imbalance?

When we told you that the North (not you) won the civil war, you become agitated and haul insults.
Ask yourself HONESTLY, would that be the case if you (the West) really won the war with them?
How come they are cheating you?

ekt_bear:
hah ok, no worries then.

My laptop acts funny too sometimes when I'm running ubuntu, mouse sometimes bounces around randomly.

hehehe! It is me hacking you bro!    just kiddin'
You need a few lessons on Ubuntu. 

Otu nne:
concerning my name, i think we are all adults, and ought to be mature, and secondly thats my dialact, in my place no one can read any meaning to it, we dnt use "f", but "t" which is the same thing by interpretation and application. @ topic what i hate is their unreasonable hatred for the man. No matter how bad ohakim was, he still did little go things which we all acknowledged

Bros I understand. Still I would change it because Igbo is big and we have the choice of swapping terms by borrowing from other Igbo dialects.
I've had to drop my own dialect to communicate with central Igbo, and I always avoid sending the wrong message.
Each time I see your name, I can't shake this thought, and I know that others are feeling the same thing.
No problem though. It is a free world.

Jarus:
Onlytruth, since you were installed Eze Ndigbo gburugburu Nairaland, I observe you have become more mature, refined and fatherly in your posts. Leadership skills? Seems Ndigbo Nairaland have not made a wrong decision

Jarus, I don't think I changed much, though I acknowledge that I have to think more about Igbo image now before posting. A lot of folks are pushing my buttons though, and it gets me very annoyed sometimes, but I dig deep to stay calm.

I can't wait to "leave the throne". It's not easy on the head!      

kingoflag:
Anyone notice OnlytellsliesTruth is starting to behave himself on any thread I appear on all the threads like the good boy hes supposed to be?

Next beast to be tamed, the hateful Dede1.

My friend I have two questions for you.

How old are you?

How long have you been on Nairaland?

If you answer the first question honestly, and you are more than 18 (which would be very sad indeed!) , then watch out because you will DEFINITELY be killed by your putrid and suicidal mouth. A lot of your type get shot dead by "akata" before they turn 30. Soon we will hear your obituary here. 

If you answer the second question honestly, you would know that you are too new here to know me. Ask your "senior" yoruba brothers here. They all know me. Else, you may be an older poster with a new name, which makes you even a more miserable cowardly ideeot, or a complete slowpoke with some kind of a learning disorder.

You are DESPERATE for my attention. Everyone can see. Problem is I DON'T HAVE TIME to waste. Can't you see? Freaking binch. 

sheyguy:
have u seen the map of Nigeria in the last 20yrs? I strongly believe with u ve not with ur post above.

Obviously you are among those who believe that land mass =population

Wrong .

Bros why not first change this your username to something that don't send mixed feelings; something like "ofu nne".
Nna de name get as e be.

@Topic,
Though you have a very valid point here, it is a free world and all of us don't feel the same way about everything.

What stops all the states in the SE (or any state for that matter) from conducting parallel census and armed with them approach the federal legislature for action?
Now, I have to say that I cannot be sure that it would change anything, but it would be a starting point for further action.
Constant complaining changes little.

dayokanu:
^^ Then do something about the population, has any of your governors come out to complain about it

I cannot fault that line of question. All I can say to that is GOOD QUESTION.

I hate complaining all the time.

afam4eva:
@Dayokanu
Have you ever been to the south-east? You talk as if you've lived there. The south-east is one of the most densely populated places in Africa. I still don't get how many states apart from Lagos and probably Kano will be more populated than Anambra for example.

The most laughable thing about it is that a state like Katsina is listed as more populated then Anambra. I'm laughing.

I maintain that there has never been any credible census post independence in Nigeria.

stiyke:
Very true!! I feel he should have stopped them from extorting motorists without taking them off the road. I drove from enugu to awka recently and it was a smooth ride, no police on the way. But i must admit that a part of me was scared that bandits could now have easy highway operation.

If the bandits come out, then it would be time to RESTRUCTURE the police, not bringing back check points.
Check points are only seen in countries at war or under military rule. Nigerians should lose their military rule mentality.

reporter?:
There is no conspiracy going on in revenue allocation.

The revenue sharing formula base is the same for all states regardless if a state is oil producing or not.  Factors like population, land mass, and the number of local governments determine the final outcome. The number of LG's in a State to a great extent influences the final outcome since States with large number of LGs will get more allocation.

Oil producing States get additional 13 percent derivative of whatever is sourced from their State. States like Edo and Abia  even though are designated as oil producing states, their oil contribution is minimal. From top to lowest, the major oil producers are Akwa Ibom, Rivers, Delta, Bayelsa, and Ondo. Rivers and Akwa Ibom swap positions every now and then.

The overall sharing formula is:
Federal Government 52.68 percent;
States 26.72 percent;
LG 20. 60 percent

The North that you vilified does not get much allocation if you consider [b]their land mass [/b]and population. The problem is the FG getting the lion share without doing jack for the populace.

Only in Nigeria would "land mass" be used to allocate resources anywhere in the world. So, if you have a huge land mass but produce and contribute little with it, you are justified to get more allocation that someone with less land who contribute more? I cannot even remember when Nigeria ever conducted a credible census. I also guess that the local governments are created based on these illogical factors.
This is part of why I believe that the core North and their southern cronies like you still rule Nigeria. This is also why one can argue strongly that the civil war has not ended.

I was expecting him to support it. If one Azikiwe has made a mistake in joining it (NIGER AREA) together i expect another to correct it.
This guy proving to be the second coming of the first Azikiwe.

I just had to laugh at this! hehehe!

@Topic

GEJ, your stocks are gradually losing value (with me at least). If you don't have the balls want to convoke a SNC, be ready for whatever comes up.
Also be ready to accept responsibility. You cannot shift blames on anyone outside Aso rock.
By the end of this year, those of us who supported you in 2011 will start to abandon ship if we don't see a MAJOR change in Nigeria.

The only problem I see with Nigeria is the core North "born to rule" mentality which they occassionally enforce violently. Apart from that, I don't mind staying in Nigeria because I know that Ndigbo can survive in it.
That is why I advise Ndigbo to stop running home at the slightest violence from the North. Of course those who want to go home should go home and stay there, but anyone who stays in the North should be prepared to fight and die there. The core North must stop thinking that they possess exclusive rights to violence.

oduasolja:
yeah , let me help you list your mistakes.

1. murdering the leaders of a region where you eat your food.

2. claiming sovereignty over somebody else's ancestral land for your republic against their wishes.

When are you people going to get tired of these stale lines? Anyway I think it is the youths of Yoruba land that is deluded. Your leaders have already started to acknowledge their past mistakes and are already beginning to make moves to amend them. It is clear to any sane person.
That is part of why I believe that Uwazurike is wrong with his threats here.
BTW I won't argue with you over the two state falsehoods. lol

Defending Peter Obi is becoming more and more difficult. The upcoming Ojukwu's burial will help expose the state of things in Anambra.

Anambra, being what it is, Obi should watch his back. He could be impeached before 2014.

@Topic,

MASSOB always bring out mixed feelings among some of us Igbo because of their methods.
Yes, they are saying some things that we all agree with (I won't name them because I don't want arguments over them), BUT their methods leave a sour taste.

Here is what I mean.

The name "Biafra" always evokes venom among Nigerian security operatives (for obvious reasons -they are afraid of retribution which may not even come with Biafra's actualization), so, pray, how can any sane person march around in HUGE numbers unarmed in the name of MASSOB? I can understand if a few members of MASSOB, eg , their leaders only do such marches, and if anything happens to them, the rest of them can take action to free their leaders.
My heart bleeds anytime I see young UNARMED Igbo men gunned down in Igboland. It has been happening for years now, and our leaders do nothing.
What concerns me most is that our enemies are using the opportunity to come into Igboland as soldiers and be killing our youths under the guise that they are MASSOB.

So MASSOB should either change strategy, or they should leave Igboland.

I'll be back!

RichyBlacK:
All these arguments about a failed country called Nigeria?

Nigeria is a failed country, let's accept it and try to pass the next "exam".

My brother it is funny that some people here are arguing with themselves and almost committing suicide because they are being ignored.

I'm really only interested in adding my own voice to Igbo mindset development in Nigeria. We've made TOO MANY strategic mistakes in the past, and I will hope that we NEVER repeat them again.

^^

Obviously this binch doesn't know when she is being ignored. lol
Steppin' over as usual. 

alex_101:
My brother, I beg to disagree with you here @ the bolded. Aboki (and the rest of nigeria) were able to fight Ndigbo in Igboland because of world power support,,,SIMPLE FACT!  Remember Murtala Mohammed was itching to take the north out of nigeria until the british convinced him of backing and support for the north's control of nigeria. He(Murtala) was also itching to march to the east, but was advised against it until british arms, egyptian air personnel had arrived. So, please, lets put things in proper perspective; Easterners lost the war because of absence of a world power support. Imagine if we had Israeli pilots providing aerial bombarment of nigerian troops, nigerian civillians and territories like Lagos, kano et. al, the war would have been in favour of Biafrans in less than 6mths.
Again, this idea of Igbo remaining in the north will only be a good one if it's well co-ordinated from the homeland,,,,by this I mean all Igbo leaders must be involved in this, as this will require some form of clandestine military training for the men who will be staying put in the north. I was one of those opposed to Igbo remaining in the north, but after your reasons, I had a change of heart, but Eze, Igbo remaining in the north has to be well co-ordinated, even in conjuction with a secret military training pact with an XYZ country (this is were MASSOB has failed woefully). I have a lot to write here but I won't for some reasons best known to me. Anyway, remind me again of that email to reach you at.

My brother I never said they should be sitting ducks in the North or anywhere in Nigeria. My position on this is well known by those reading from me frequently. I believe that Ndigbo should stop living in ways that make them easy targets in Nigeria. Yes, it will cost them a few "economic opportunities", but they will stop being easy targets.
Again you ignored the CAVEAT I put in my comment.
Honestly, my main concern is that we are always in a hurry to cede advantages and territories out of illogical things like fear for safety and pride. Uwazuruike's statement basically pitched the whole world against us.

We would NEVER attempt that type of war. NEVER.

Of course we need foreign support and I've said so here several times.
My thing is that we need EVERY advantage we can get to be able to win any future war. If we repeat the same impulsive behaviors of the past, we will get a WORSE outcome.
So, you are right about everything else, except that we are basically saying the same thing. 

They should be ignored because there is no way they would support anything that would end their kleptocracy.
But one day, bush meat go catch hunter.  

Why are these thieves blocking every effort to peacefully resolve the Nigerian national question?
These thieves will be the first to leave the country if a war starts, and they would loot the treasury before leaving.
Ediiots.  

phreakabit:
From my understanding, I guess you mean every Igbo should fight wherever they find themselves? If this is true, then you apparently don't know what WAR is. We are not talking of a riot here for crying out loud! You are talking about years of fighting unending in all parts of the country, that  makes no sense and is just a laughable theory.  To prosecute a War of any sort, you'd require an Army.  Lets look at the definition of the word Army below, gotten from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/army:

[size=14pt]1
a, a large organized body of armed personnel trained for war especially on land
b,  a unit capable of independent action and consisting usually of a headquarters, two or more corps, and auxiliary troops
c,   often capitalized : the complete military organization of a nation for land warfare

[s]2,  a great multitude <an army of birds>[/s]

3, a body of persons organized to advance a cause[/size]

Tell me which of the above mentioned do a bunch of untrained and unarmed "battle ready" civilians army fall into? How would classified data strategic information and intelligence report be passed across, if your strategy entails fighting anywhere you find yourself? IT JUST WONT WORK! We Igbos should all learn to think A LOT and speak little, so we don't end up suffering due to the half baked plans of one man self-elected to speak for us all .

BTW, If you are worried about the possibilities of Igboland facing the heat only . . . . .  There are way more intelligent ways to take the heat to your actual enemies and not everyone else.

You left out the most important CAVEAT from that same quote of mine. Here it is again:

[size=16pt]That is why I personally would never start a war in Nigeria until I have secured certain level of preparedness and support. That is why I was alarmed by Uwazuruike's outburst.[/size]
That is also why I would choose dialogue and negotiation first before any other option.
That is why I add my voice strongly to the agitation for a SNC in Nigeria.

I am an Ojukwuist is some ways -I am a very reluctant fighter. BUT I believe that thanks to Ojukwu, I am able to tow a completely different line from the one he took. He probably could have taken this same line, but he had no liberty of time and hindsight.  If you study his actions leading to the war, you would know that he never wanted that war. In fact, left for Ojukwu, that war would NEVER have happened, but he was a young man who had no history of Nigeria guide which should guide his choices. The Biafran war was the FIRST in Nigeria. So, Easterners practically pressured him into an unwinnable war. He still fought it gallantly, but I doubt he ever trully believed he could have won (my personal opinion). I share in his reluctance because I would never fight a losing war. NEVER.
The war was lost once Ndigbo ran to the East. Igbo continued presence in the North coupled with a strong voice urging them to stay, could have at least delayed the Nigerian army march into Eastern Nigeria. THERE ARE MANY REASONS for this which I would not discuss here. The way I see it, if you have 3 million Igbos in the whole North, that is almost the size of a country. If Nigeria were to invade  Gabon for instance, would the Gabonese run away simply because Nigeria is 160 million? NO they would fight even if they lose. The mistake we often make is to simply say things like "how can you fight somebody in his land?" Well, firstly these Igbos are almost like natives in the North. Most of them know the place like the back of their hands. They have lived there for decades! They speak the languages, they eat the foods, drink the same water and everything. So they are for all intent and purposes, NATIVES.  

They may not win, but they will buy us some reprieve in the East and help us score easily against the enemy.  Why should the Igbo in the East always suffer for their fellow Igbos in the North who always run home? Who will die for them? I'm laughing. If they found the North so attractive to invest and live there for all these years, they should also be ready to fight and die there. Simple. The Igbo in the East have their hands full with defending Igboland. The whole Biafran army was never more than 40,000 at any one point. Yet, it was a brave army that answered the call of history. BTW how did aboki survive fighting us in our land? If they could do it to us, we could do it to them. This is really simple enough to me.

To summarize, I never said war should be a first option. I also believe that we are still Nigerians, and must defend whereever we live in Nigeria. Until Nigeria is partitioned, and issues of properties settled, I would never support starting a war in Igboland, which would likely end there too.  

Ok, I'm back! 

Dudu_Negro:
Onlytruth, I am sure you are familiar with this.  This is what you wrote . . . these are your thoughts, the secrets buried in your soul spilled out in NL.  How is this different from what Uwazuroke said in the article of this post?

All that buulshhyyt about we are not against Yoruba is a fvckery. . . . we know exactly where you stand, you hide outwardly but in your heart you embrace Uwazuruke's message to take war to Yoruba.  We are justified to start an attack on you and start killing you in order that we should preempt a first attack from you.   Do you believe differently?    You should be removed as Eze of Biafra.

Dude you are really shouting yourself hoarse over nothing because my statement should come NATURALLY to any sane and realistic Igbo or Easterner as the only way to deter mass murderers who are warming up to come to Igboland and repeat their genocidal history. People like yourself speaking with forked tongues, scheming our annihilation will NEVER be allowed to succeed.
You are not even intelligent enough to notice that I don't agree with Uwazuruike's methods which I term blowing hot and cold. First he speaks of non-violence, next he threatens war in all parts of Nigeria. Which shall I believe? As far as I'm concerned, in the agitation for a Biafran nation (an African nation), vowing non-violence is almost obtuse IMHO. It is tantamount to losing the psychological war even before the physical war starts. One does not have to commit to non-violence explicity. He could have maintained non-committal either way, at least publicly.

Pray tell, which African country understands non-violent agitations? That is why every other group in Nigeria is pacified and compensated, while MASSOB is simply shot.
One of the problems I see in Uwazurikes methods is that he is adopting an approach used by Mahatma Ghandhi against the BRITISH. Whether you accept it or not, white folks have a deeper level human understanding and they understand things like non-violence and hunger strikes. FACT 

Show me anywhere in Africa where a change was obtained using those methods. 
So, yes, I believe that the only way for Igbo to ever contemplate fighting another war in Nigeria is to be ready to fight in ALL AND ANY nook of Nigeria. That is the war I would like to fight; not the one they stage in Igboland. Uwazuruike first called on Igbo to return to Igboland. Now he is threatening to fight in all parts of Nigeria. How can he do that when Igbos have already left the North? I see gaps in his position, and we cannot afford to have those gaps. We must NEVER allow history to repeat.
Personally, I would prefer to fight and die in Sokoto or Kano or Maiduguri, than to die in Igboland. That is who I am. Learn to live with it. 

That is why I personally would never start a war in Nigeria until I have secured certain level of preparedness and support. That is why I was alarmed by Uwazuruike's outburst.
That is also why I would choose dialogue and negotiation first before any other option.
That is why I add my voice strongly to the agitation for a SNC in Nigeria.

Anyway, this is the point I leave the thread, for now. So here is the summary from my own standing:

Ndigbo are not at war with everybody in Nigeria. We are part of Nigeria and part of Southern Nigeria, and Eastern Nigeria.
We may or may not leave Nigeria, it all depends on how Nigeria treats us.
Since Nigeria is failing because of the Hausa/Fulani "born to rule" mentality, I also believe in Biafra, at least the type that makes sense, not just Biafra for Biafra names sake, and one that is actualizable using sane and REALISTIC strategies.

I do agree with Uwazuruike that if ever another war starts in Nigeria, Ndigbo should be ready to fight in ALL PARTS of Nigeria.  
I disagree with him that Ndigbo should run home first.  
I also disagree with him that we have issues with any other group in Nigeria other than the groups killing innocent Christians in the North.  

Here I stand!

Signing off,
Yours truly,

Onlytruth, Ndu di n'eziokwu 1 of Igboland, Eze Ndigbo Nairaland.