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Ileke-IdI:
We thank God! No offense taking.

No Igbo believes in One Nigeria. Case closed.

The easiest way to know what a human being believes is to follow his money trail.
I can actually say that Hausa is the least to believe in Nigeria, followed CLOSELY by Yoruba. If you doubt me, follow their investments and see. No man puts his money in a place he does not believe in.

Humans basically put their money where their heart is.

I repeat, no majority tribe believes in Nigeria more than Igbo; but a human being has a limit even to his beliefs.

Ileke-IdI:
[b]Go home so that we can gradually actualize a Biafra [/b]and Odua Republic.

We went home and actually declared independence from Nigeria in 1967. What we got in return was a war levied against us, and 2 million of our people died as a result. We've seen this dance before, that is why I urge my people to stay put and be ready to fight. We running home does not guarantee us safety, or even a possible disintegration of Nigeria.

Ileke-IdI:
Yorubas allow many different tribes to live in their lands without chaos and tribal killing, even after the war. For peace.
Igbo traveled in hope of large customers. That's business.

All we have to do is read posts on NL. Stop with the charade.

Yoruba are not Igbo; no offense. We have different dreams and aspirations and how we attain them.
Igbo man believes in taking his destiny in his own hands; business or trading for instance is given higher priority by Igbo than Yoruba.
The only way for us to pursue our God given rights to freedom and liberty is to be allowed to secede from Nigeria.
Those who want to live in a fake nation can go ahead. It has nothing to do with money. It has everything to do with FREEDOM.

It is even funny for anyone to advise Igbo to go back home and stay there when Nigeria remains one.
That is why Nigeria MUST disintegrate to allow us go home and plan a great nation for ourselves and our children.

You may not believe it but Igbo is perhaps the only big tribe in Nigeria that bought into the lie called One Nigeria, especially after they were forced back in after Biafra. They went out and started investing.

If Eastern Nigeria or even Igboland is assured of secession, then we must leave immediately and declare our independence from Nigeria.

Ileke-IdI:
Hausa money must be pretty sweet o. You have to wait for ppl to tell you to go home in the mist all these chaos.

It is not the "Hausa money"; it is that people started to believe in one Nigeria after Biafra was forced back into Nigeria.
"Home" is now ALL parts of Nigeria.
That is why I personally urge my people to never leave the North unless we have been assured of successful secession.

@alj harem

I lived in Kano for many years, so I know that of all derogatory names used by different peoples in Nigeria, only inyamiri is the name linked squarely with mass murder. Yes it is used on daily basis, but MAINLY during emotional outbursts by Hausa.
So, don't educate me on things I know more than you.

Pukkah:
However, on their part, the MASSOB and Ohaneze-Ndigbo leaders ordered all the wives and children of Ndigbo in the North to return home while their husbands stay back to take care of their investments.

According to Uwazurike and Ozobu, refugee centres have been created “all over Igboland to accommodate those without home”.

“The current situation in the North and the rampant killing of our Ndigbo, mothers and sisters in these areas, bring to mind a sequence of events and the pogrom that culminated in the tragedy of the Nigeria civil war. We are calling once again for emergency desks in the affected areas to be set up to access data regarding the nature of people who have lost their lives in the incidence,” they said.

“We are calling for immediate return of Igbo wives and children so that their safety can be assured here in the East. For the Igbo nation is once again facing an impending refugee crisis and our people are being forced to flee their homes and places of work and business to avoid death.”

http://dailytimes.com.ng/article/‘return-home’-igbo-leaders-tell-igbos-north?utm_source=&utm_medium=twitter

I hope they have a long term plan to either secede successfully after returning to the East, or the men staying behind get trained to fight for their investment. Bottomline is that I am measuring the success of Igbo leadership these days with their ability to deliver secession successfully, or fight in the core North effectively.
Anything else is not good enough. We cannot be repeating the same ritual everytime. We are either Nigerians or we are not. If we are, we must be able to live and die in any part of Nigeria; else we must secede immediately.

alj harem:
[s]eze ndigbo I must say that is the dumbest statement from a Leader

you call yourself eze ndigbo but engage in tribalism, what does that tell us about Igbos ?

nyamaria is not an insult but a way of calling igbos in hausa language

Yoruba call hausa gambari is that an insult ?

Igbo call hausa, awusa is that an insult ?

I wonder why you left you thinking cap this time around[/s]

Pure rant.

I insist that the dumbest thing a Yoruba should do is call Igbo inyamiri -a murderous word used by Hausa/Fulani each time they go on a murderous rampage. It is indirectly saying that they endorse that even though they cannot find the balls to do the same. Simple psychology.
In any case, that is why I urge my people now to more and more envision a possible war with core North in the North, because Yoruba are hiding behind them to assume fake safety. Soon the Hausa/Fulani will get a war in the North.   Nonsense.

The dumbest yoruba I've come across is one that calls Igbo inyamiri. You are basically hiding under Hausa to insult people. Isn't it a clear indication that you cannot think of facing Igbo without aboki? Isn't that the hieght of cowardice?
Tufiakwa.  

I have always believed that Nigeria will disintegrate. My urging our people to stay in the North is because I want to be very close to their throats in case of war, which BTW is very probable.
I want to be able to fight in core North. That's all.
I also believe that anybody talking about Nigeria's disintegration without thinking about war, is not thinking things through. I therefore urge everyone thinking about Nigeria's disintegration to start to prepare for war mentally.

Nigeria will DEFINITELY break; it is only a matter of time.
No amount of threats or intimidation will ever stop Nigeria's destiny with disintegration. People don't have to do anything for this to happen. No amount of human power can stop the hand of God. People are dying in that evil contraption. Any hand (no matter how strong) keeping Nigeria together for selfish reasons will wither with time, because the cries of dead people are keeping God restless.

Here I stand!  

The guy is sounding like me. lol

On a very serious note, the guys spoke almost like a non-Yoruba (no pun intended please) -he spoke point blank.

What we need in the south and middle belt, is more and more of this type of talk, supported by ALL necessary body language that tells the core North in clearest terms that their days of born to rule bazaar in Nigeria is over; for good.

If we continue this line of action, mark my word, Nigeria will be resolved BEFORE 2015, without a single shot fired.

ekt_bear:
To me, religion is a tool. If it makes your people strong and prosperous, you keep it.

If it fails your people, then you look for something new.

My ancestor in 1907ish abandoned his traditional religion because it didn't serve him as well as Christianity did.

Spot on. I believe the same thing too.

@PointB, I also believe in splitting Nigeria as a first choice.

frosbel:
I am not sure where this strange concept of Judeo-Christianity emanated from, there is no such thing.

It's either Christianity or NOT !!

I know there is (on the world religious records) nothing like "Judeo-Christianity", yet, a Christian in Nigeria believes in turning the other cheek if attacked, while a Christian in US believes in preemptive attack to safeguard himself. Both are Christians, but clearly don't practice the same thing as far of survival is concerned. I prefer the US brand of Christianity.

PointB:
@onlytruth,
I do agree that we practice the most moderate form of Christianity in Nigeria which has given the country the kind of secularity which itself promote peaceful co-existence and tolerance in the south.

this brand of Christianity which also promote open mindedness and innovative ideas is what I believe will move the core north closer to any semblance of utopia! Frankly speaking, Islam has let Core North down. A religion which adherents frown at the time tested and trusted 'western education' is to me anachronistic. Its time the think of adopting a more 'user friendly' religion.

I learnt Buddhism is not a bad one too. Perhaps, it might serve them better! Just my opinion.

But bros you forget the MAIN POINT of why they chose this type of Islam in the first place, namely to rule others. Would moderate Christianity do that for them? No. Would Buddhism do that for them? No of course. Anything that moderates their militancy in quest for power would be rejected by them. They see us as "weak" because of our brand of Christianity.
That is why they choose to attack us at any slightest provocation, even distant ones.

^^

Thanks Sam_Ikenna my brother. I like all your ideas. I have to warn you though: ndu_chucks is a Hausa/Fulani dude going by Igbo username on nairaland. He is also a die hard One Nigerianist. For all I know, he is gathering information to use against your ideas in his next post! haha. 

And I also believe that it is only after we have upgraded to Judeo-Christianity, would the Muslims in our midst loose their militant proclivity, and see that they would never be allowed to use their religion to lord it over us. Only then can they really consider converting.

Well, since a terrorist group has the audacity to call for conversion of our president to Islam, and total Islamization of Nigeria, this is not a bad suggestion at all. Knowing the type of Muslims we have in core North though, a camel would have to pass through the eye of the needle before that happens. What we have in core North is a brand of Islam that claims superiority over other religions. To them, power belongs to "Allah" who BTW is their own god. In other words, if you don't worship their god, you cannot be allowed access to leadership (political helms position). So, it is really  politics, not religion. That is why we are having problems with this brand of Islam. Please note that there are other brands which believe in live and let live; just not in core North.

My suggestion is that Christians in Nigeria should "upgrade" to the purest form of JUDEO-CHRISTIANITY; the brand of Christianity that believes in preemptive attack as a form of defense. I shared the experience of typical Christians in northern Nigeria with a white colleague here last week. I narrated how Christians get attacked by Muslims for things as distant as a cartoon in Denmark and other foreign events. I told the guy that this attack happens without clear local provocations, and lead to hundreds of deaths each time. Well, the guy told me pointblank that if he were in the shoes of those Christians, he would not wait for the next attack. He would simply launch an attack on these people and continue fighting them forever until they promise to either be peaceful country men or secede.
That is a typical Judeo-Christian; and that is why they are feared and more secure on earth than our type of Christians in Nigeria.

I am a Judeo-Christian!  

ndu_chucks:
I maintain that you suffer from a disconnect from the realities on ground and are delusional in your pronouncements. Your idealism is only good for college term papers, sadly. It suffices for now, to point out that the "core North" who you claim is the nucleus of poverty, misery, and carnage in our land could not have carried out the acts of becoming this nucleus successfully, without their co-conspirators in the South. You have dishonestly refused to acknowledge the active participation of these southerners. My question to you is why?

No amount of lies would change the facts about Nigeria, and if you are interested in the facts, you would at least acknowledge that the ONLY REAL ISSUE in Nigeria is the "born to rule" issue which is often violently enforced by your people in Northern Nigeria, from 1945 till date. If Islamic Northern Nigeria (core North) has not adopted mass murder (through religious riots, coups and war), Nigeria would have since voted in PROPERLY EDUCATED and QUALIFIED leaders at the federal level.
BUT NO, that is not what we have seen over these years. Our current "Boko Haram" carnage is a direct product of threats issued by core Northern politicians that they would make Nigeria "ungovernable" for Jonathan, a hapless Christian president from Ijawland. Now, Nigerians are dying again, basically to pay for this born to rule mentality.
Boko Haram has just issued their ONLY demand, on the condition of which they would cease fire -TOTAL ISLAMIZATION OF NIGERIA. What has southern politicians to do with this?
Don't worry, I read the tea leaves. From what I see, people in Nigeria are gradually getting their courage back (after the civil war), and are demanding more boldly for a sustainable change, which BTW must include an option for total disintegration of Nigeria. That is what got one of your Northern uncles worried, and he started threatening war again.
Personally, I believe that the threat of war will soon wear out when folks flying that kite discover that no one is cowed anymore, and they would be forced to head to the table.

[s]The issue at hand is completely related to power and control. The Nigerian elite, who hail from North, South, East, and West currently have the power and rule you people. In order to achieve your stated goal, power must first be wrestled out of the hands of these people. You had a chance to make some progress with recent protests but the powerful elite castrated you before you could gain any ground. It is essentially impossible to tear this country apart peacefully without first wrestling power away from the government.

Your next option is the intervention of the military. Here again, you will fail woefully. A coup is not possible in Nigeria at the moment because all the officers around the country who can carry it out have been bought and paid for, the rest of them have been retired by OBJ.

The future is looking more and more like a Nigeria controlled by 3 competing interests (1) USA (2) Saudi Arabia (3) China.  We are basically fcked for now. Sam Ikenna,  you are delusional, don't take my observation as an insult, biko nu.  [/s]

Pure hogwash.

GAR3TH:
The police never said they were boko haram, they said they were arrest on the suspicion of being part of the Islamic sect.

Just like when those men were arrest for carrying a trucks filed with explosives in abuja. The men were question by the police and then released after their story check out that they worked for a mining company just outside abuja, remember that story and many other like them.

The police in this case like the others will question them and see if their story checks out and if so they will be freed.

For the last time they were arrest on suspicion not actually fact, so to call them boko haram is ludicurious.

The police never said its boko haram you all just keep twisting words around.

So, can you kindly tell us the difference? Why were they arrested then? 

If our people were not in any danger, I wonder what some of them were doing at the parks in Kano, sending their wives and children to the East. I sometimes wonder whether majority of people from the West of Nigeria on this forum have mental problems. They have weird logic, properly shaped by disproportional inherent fear factor.

Thanks to all my brothers holding your own against the agents of falsehood. That we are not here 24/7 is because only jobless foools are here 24/7. We owe no apologies to anyone.

Igbo, we MUST NEVER LEAVE THE NORTH.

Boko Haram is in our land, the East. We must be in their land to help defeat it!  

If the police said they are Boko Haram, then they are Boko Haram.
I warned our people that we have no proof whatsoever that these iddioots won't come to Igboland.
We still don't know what the other stages of this Boko Haram would throw up.

I hate fighting on my hind legs.

Okija_juju:
So na now wey people don dey realize say MASSOB and Uwazuruike are frauds!!

I laff!

Little wonder. Nigerian Soldiers killed off the last few intelligant Biafrans. All we have left now are traders and conmen.

I weep. Until we realize that we are not all that, humble ourselves, go back to the drawing board, correct the mistakes of Ojukwu and co, and restrategize, we will forever be the cry-babies of Nigeria.

A person not familiar with you would think that you are seriously interested in finding a viable solution to all our problems, but they would be wrong!
Whenever I criticize something, I try to put forward a solution

For instance, I would agree that MASSOB is not impressing me, has never impressed me.
However, my own solution would be to register a party by the name of Eastern Nigeria Peoples Congress(ENPC)

This party should set the goal of either dominating the politics and development of Eastern Nigeria, or coordinate an effort to leave the Nigerian union.

Now, I would have the organization, whether it is registered as a political party or not. I would use it to ensure that the East has the same basic standards in development: education, healthcare, roads, food security, housing etc.
Of course each state should develop as much as it can afford (based on resource control at local levels of course), but we should plan the region together to produce a region to be proud of.

If ever Nigeria disintegrates, it would be the vehicle to negotiate our exit.

I have not seen any clear agenda from MASSOB.