₦airaland Forum

Negro_Ntns:
hmmm. . . .this is a very familiar mantra! I think it came from West, did it not? Im surprised to see brave warrior tribes find value in its use.


Anyway, . . . here is the deal, the whole deal and nothing but the deal!! Nigeria is at war!! Let me repeat, Nigeria is at war!!! The tensions on ground are building up, when the steam can no longer be bottled uo anger will flare and violent from mulriple sections will silumtaneously lash out. Gej and his creek croonies are determined to effect the ijaw influence as the mainstream. This means MEND will be the grassroot voice of the militants and not MASSOB. The military is being used to implement that change. Since Gej became President, how many times has MEND beung killed or attacked by military, inspite of their wildness up and down the creek committing all sorts of atrocities and frauds? They were even defended by Gej for October 1st.

Wake the fvck upm Nigeria is at war. . . . do whatever is possible for your people to do and consolidate and preserve yourself. God is my witness, I'd hate for you to experience any more massacre on the scale of the civil war and right now you have no one to look out for you but yourselves. Start getting your people home. . . everyone is slowly heading back to his father's hpouse.

For the first time in about a month, I believe you are talking sense here.

Nchara:
I know, bro. But they need to be willing to belong with us. No coercion. Got my drift?

Yea I got it bro.
What do you say about characters like abagworo?

Nchara:
Can anyone enlighten me on the current status of[b] Opobo[/b] in relation to their[b] Igboness[/b]. I do not mean old history of Jaja; I know all that. How do they view us? Have they been corrupted by their neighbors or the divisive Nigerian state into having a second thought about their Igboness? To the best of my knowledge, I have met only one Opobo person and he spoke perfect Igbo. He is late now, otherwise I would have asked this of him.

Nchara, the bolded is part of why I would prefer the East as is now. The civil war and the division it sowed caused so much damage to our region that I have even seen Igbo from Abia state claiming to not be Igbo. The damn thing is a banana peel with lots of irrationality trailing it. It is not good for us to be splitting hairs.

Negro_Ntns:
so what do u need?  why do they have to be in same country with you?

Everybody needs peace. That's all.
Peace within your borders, and peace outside of it (read ability to fend off foreign invaders). An Eastern country would have enough human and material resources to survive a foreign invasion. Isn't this even self explanatory?
Two neighbors, each with enough natural resources to survive on its own, can only team up to form a bigger more formidable nation. The type able to stop jealous folks like you.  

ezeagu:
Lagos is a strong drug Igbo people will take some time to take over, especially those that can't travel abroad, in short travelling everywhere on the globe is. Going to Lagos for an easterner is the equivalent of going to Los Angeles for an American artist. Some actually believe they'll become instantly rich in Lagos, I don't know if it's because of the limited choices, or because of the Lagos-travelling culture the whole of Nigeria has been bred with.

Anyway, I don't see Igbo people travelling in large number back to the east, even if a western standard ultra-modern sea port was built in the east, after-all they've abandoned Port Harcourt.

@Bolded

Food for thought.

I guess the port alone may not attract them back. There has to be a regional plan for that; or at least a concerted effort to attract them there. If not, they would not go there. Igbo, these days, shun areas they are not welcome.

ezeagu:
Ibaka can't touch Lagos because the millions of Igbo people/easterners aren't going to change their mind and move back east.

Maybe; BUT.

Lagos is getting too expensive by the day with Fashola ever increasing taxes. Also Lagos is congested already. Most Igbo in Lagos stay there because they have no alternative viable port to bring in imports.
I welcome the competition though.

PointB:
Ibaka seaport ’ll create 100,000 jobs – Gov Akpabio
On December 15, 2011 · In Business
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By Godfrey Bivbere & Precious Iyomere

Governor of Akwa Ibom, Godswill Akpabio, has said that the deep seaport to be cited at Ibaka near the state’s capital, Uyo would create over 100,000 jobs for the country’s largely unemployed population.

The governor who disclosed this at the concluded summit by the Nigerian Ports Consultative Council (NPCC) in Uyo with the theme “Unlocking Maritime Potential of Akwa Ibom State for Accelerated Development in Nigeria,” noted that the 129 kilometers stretch of land at the Ibaka port area would be a self-sustaining industrial city.

He said in the next few weeks, his government would award a contract for the dualisation of the road leading to the port, to correct the mistake in Apapa port area.

Gov Akpabio

The governor, according to a press statement signed by Chief Micheal Ajayi, General Manager in charge of Public Affairs of Nigerian Ports Authority (NPA) quoted the governor to have added that in partnership with the Federal Government, a multimodal transport system would be built to include rail lines linking Port-Harcourt and Calabar.

He said, “The area designated for the project has the longest coastline and just five kilometers away from the capital city. With a depth of between 15 and 18 meters water channel and 129 kilometers stretch of land it has some of the best port features that could be found anywhere in the world.

“With Ibaka deep seaport, we will have a seaport that will not require perennial dredging. Investors will be in business for a very long time without bothering about dredging.

“The port will serve all countries in the Gulf of Guinea. The peaceful nature of the community and availability of undeveloped land will make the area a self-sustaining industrial city when the port is completed. In addition to the port, the area will also habour independent power plants, refinery and industries.

“It sounds great and unbelievable but achievable. It will employ 100,000 Nigerians, strengthen our country’s position in oil and gas sector in the world. I[b]t will be the nation’s gateway to the rest of the world through the Gulf of Guinea.”[/b]

Governor Akpabio handed over the Certificate of Occupancy (C of O) of the land for citing of the seaport measuring 5,580 square meters to the Managing Director of the Nigeria Ports Authority, Engr. Omar Suleiman a few weeks ago . “Time means everything. I’m already on my second term and there’s no third term. I can’t wait to see this project realised. I share the passion and I see that passion in Suleiman,” he said.

In his speech, Managing Director of the Nigeria Ports Authority (NPA), Engr. Omar Suleiman said that the Ibaka deep seaport project will transform the state into a commercial and industrial hub of West and Central Africa.


[url]http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/12/ibaka-seaport-%E2%80%99ll-create-100000-jobs-gov-akpabio/[/url]

So, Lagos watch out. Ibaka is coming!

PointB:
Abi oo, please tell them.  I wonder why every moves is viewed by ACN/SW goons with ethnic lens. Is it because a Northerner is not the president. I wonder what will happen if Federal Government should commission Ibaka Port in the Akwa-Ibom axis as commercial port! Then at this rate SW would probably go to war just to maintain the status of Lagos port as the only commercial port. I have never seen so much hypocrisy as these goons spill daily. Shame!

Nevertheless, I think that is what government should do. Another commercial port is very critical at this stage to ease congestion in Lagos. [size=14pt]Ibaka Port should be completed and commissioned! [/size]

I strongly believe that Ibaka deep seaport at Akwa Ibom would be a game changer because of its natural depth and close proximity to the Eastern commercial zones. Again it looks like the current Akwa Ibom state governor is a serious man. So, Lagos will need to find another thing to dominate, not ports.

And I would model the political system after the Japanese/Israel Parliamentary system model where the Prime Minister can sometimes serve for 6 months (lol). That way, every group in the country get to be Prime Minister within very short periods of years (if really necessary).
The winner takes all presidential system won't work, even in an Igbo only country.
We are Africans with our own peculiar mindsets which defeat the aims of presidential system of government.

htajz:
exactly thats why[b] i suggest every etnic groupwill have 100 percent control of its resources[/b] without anyform if interferance and i beleive all the ethnic groups in south eastern  nigeria have oil so that should not be a problem , the only advantage of the merger should be to give the nation colour and diversity and also more breathing space as i dont imagine ogonis stuck in only ogoni land and maybe combine military strenght thats all

Exactly. I believe that can easily be agreed upon, after all, that is only natural.
I have really taken time to think this through, Eastern Nigeria has everything necessary to form a viable modern nation state. It even has the potential to be the best country in Africa. That is why I would never accept anything less.
Else, we stay in Nigeria. No biggie.

Bro Nchara,

Do you really believe that the international community would accept 15 countries out of Nigeria alone?
I really don't think so. Let us focus on the problem, and try not to kill a fly with a sledgehammer.

Biko, amakwa m na i na aghotam, nwanne madu.  

Nchara:
You do not need the world to divide Nigeria for you. Nigerians can do so themselves just like Russia did. That said, I love the idea of diversity. Personally I actually have few Igbo friends in real life compared to other Nigerian/African, or Asian/American/European friends. I have a very broad outlook in life because I have lived in many different continents. But this is about preserving what is left of peace and learning from the experience of Nigeria. We will have long term peace and stability being on our own. There is no guarantee that the issue of domination will not crop up with its devastating consequences. We are better of having them as friendly neighbouring countries with no visa issues between us.

My opposition to the idea of dividing Eastern Nigeria comes from a lesson I learned about how Zik treated the issue of Western Cameroon. Zik chose your model for dealing with them, today, they are in Cameroun, with a large Igbo population and a STRONG regret and desire to leave Cameroun. It is too late for them now. Simple leadership on the part of Zik could have kept them in Nigeria : Eastern Nigeria. These things are supposed to be treated with deep reflection and thought, not just based on what irritant folks from that part says. I know you may say that it does not concern us what happened to Western Cameroon, but if we had secured them in Eastern Nigeria, our history would have been dramatically different from what it was. Biafra would probably never have happened.
That is why I would never accept another attempt to balkanize Eastern Nigeria.

Ngwakwe:
[b]Why are people interested in balkanization of Eastern Nigeria. [/b]I can authoritatively tell you that  Igbos have majority hardworking middle class that are not interested in what government can give them but rather let government have minimum or no interferance in their lives. We don't need Government Aided Social Security but rather a well oriented Extende family system where the Father trains the Children and in turn the Children take care of their aged parents. Let any Country that Igbos find themselves be in charge of Security, infrastructural development and an independent Judiciary where everybody is equal before the law not forgetten a small Government preferably Unicameral or at worst Bi-Cameral Parliamentary System of Government.

Beats me too.

I know that diversity is not our problem. Hausa/Fulani born to rule is, which is why we are having problems in Nigeria.
The average Igbo man don't even care about presidency or whatever political position is under the auction block.
Provided we have peace to thrive in our chosen careers, we are happy.

I would support any arrangement that guarantee peace and security to every group in it.
If Hausa/Fulani is reformed,  and somehow drop their born to rule mentality, I would stay in Nigeria as is.
If not, then Biafra. 

Nchara:
I believe that that Cross River, Akwa Ibom and Ogoni in Rivers can form a country of their own. They have many similarities.
Ijaw can be on their own
Igbo(SE and SS) can be on their own
If you come from a boarder community along the Igbo/Akwa Ibom and Igbo Cross River boarders, you will know how explosive land matters are in those areas.

Unlike the above states, as far as I know, there has been no land disputes between Imo and River States (Ohaji versus Ikwerre) (Ngor Okpala versus Etche) Neither between Abia and Rivers (Ukwa versus Etche or Oyigbo).

Therefore, the Igbo-speaking people of Rivers State are naturally going to have no problem belonging to an Igbo-only country as long as every one is guaranteed equal representation at the highest levels of governance (read rotational presidency).


With Akwa Ibom and Cross Rivers and even Ijaw, despite any differences, I bet you that the boarders between them and us will be so porous that you can literally walk across them. We just would do better and respect each other better in different countries. Having them with us will be a regrettable action in the end unless they come to us willingly.

My worry will be Opobo because though it is Igbo-speaking, it is completely enclosed by Ijaw and Akwa Ibo lands.

Once we get some access to sea via Ikwerre (PH), ONNELGA and/or Ahoada (all Igbo areas), then I guarantee us becoming one the best countries in no distant time.

You made some point about some issues in Eastern Nigeria, but I doubt that anyone would ever divide it up that way.

I personally believe that the only reason Nigeria is not working is because of the born to rule mentality of the Hausa/Fulani, which they occasionally enforce violently. If not, I would be a die hard one Nigerianist.
Much as I may love to have an Igbo only country, I also believe that diversity is not the problem we are having in Nigeria. If nobody is busy hacking innocent people to death in any part of Nigeria, I would never advocate that Nigeria divides. I believe that the international community would NEVER accept a Nigeria divided into more than 3 countries (just my view). I say that because Nigeria's division would likely be a litmus test for how other dysfunctional African countries would be divided. I cannot envision how the world (UN) would have to welcome thousands of countries from Africa alone.

Negro_Ntns:
if you are returning to your root to form a new country you dont think that article is relevant in the things to consider?  How you going to form a new country without considering roots as factor?  You should invite only people of jewish blood to be members of this new ibo (ibow; ibrow; ibrew) nation.  Its the only way to find peace.

I don't see how the article you posted is related to this thread.
I can wake up and say that I am from Mars; does that change the fact that I am in Eastern Nigeria?
No group is even sure of its origin in Nigeria.
I really think that you are mischievously derailing this thread; but then again, do I expect anything less? lol
That is why I told ezeagu that this thread may not give him any reasonable answers because we have enemies lurking around, causing as much confusion as possible. The real negotiations and agreements will happen secretly. FACT.  

^^
Completely irrelevant and off point.

Negro_Ntns:
hey eze, use the Yoruba model to build your new country.  You need a commonwealth. You need diversity or your tribe will die off!

I personally think that Eastern Nigeria is the most diversified, peacefu and politically stable region in Nigeria. Don't let Nairaland deceive you. When I look at the East, I see a region at peace with itself. The only time we had killings was during the war when foreigners (Hausa/Fulani, Yorubas and others from outside the region) invaded and occupied the region. During that time, they instigated fear and division among our peoples. You can still read some of those fears by some people from the region. That is why I said that the negotiation cannot be in public.
Before the coming of the British, we had a highly decentralized "commonwealth" (if you like), and we lived and traded with one another peacefully. We even traded slaves together without counting tribe. So that is the model I am using.

So, in essence, we have nothing really to learn from Yoruba. Trust me on that.  

ezeagu:
Thanks, onlytruth.

I know that nairaland can never be where any serious issues are resolved in Nigeria, I was trying to put out a message out there for any group that may actually have an influence when the time comes. I already know that half the people on this thread have never even been to the East, so they can continue on with frustration, with claims of being from the Niger Delta at the same time mocking their supposed brother.

I want to ask who the Eastern region is though, because no one seems to have a clear plan of what this country would look like.

My own definition of Eastern region is old Eastern region plus Anioma. Simple and Short.

However, in forming a nation out of it, groups can opt in, and groups can also opt out. I know that because I've seen people from outside of these two zones wanting to join Igbos in forming a nation. I've also seen groups even from core parts of the East wanting out. That is how complex the situation is. That is why it would not be done in public because there would be a need for harmonization and "normalization" of positions.

ezeagu, Nairaland has its advantages and disadvantages. You have identified the advantages, but I would say that one of the disadvantages is that any person can claim to be from anywhere in Nigeria and be making statements purporting to be from that area.
Take this GeneralGEJ for example, the dude can be even from Sokoto! lol
He hates GEJ with a passion, yet he claims to be from "Niger delta". I'm laughing.

To be honest, I believe that how the country will be divided is not knowable by ordinary folks on Nairaland. It is not even a subject for public discussion because it would attract a lot of irrational and mentally disturbed folks.
It is really an intelligence thing, and I hope that MASSOB or other groups are doing some work now to identify groups in Eastern Nigeria that want to form a nation together. By groups, I even include Igbo groups. lol

So, but if I'm to put down my two cents, I would say that the whole Eastern region can form a nation together.
There is a difference between what is happening in Nigeria now, and what would inevitably stare folks in the face when the actual negotiations begin.

Frankly, I'm not really talking to you. lol
I'm talking to my Igbo brothers and other smart folks from SS. We have your type tagged.
So, eat your heart out. 

@My Igbo brothers,

Please let us ignore this bitter goat. 
Anyi ma etu esi ekwe ogodo ndi amu ibi. Ubochi nta, anyi ga achu na owerre nchi.   

I'm Out.

I really feel like responding to you because I don't want my Igbo brothers to join this exchange because some of them can be out of control when they read nonsense. I would have since logged out. lol

Let me hint you of the truth about "SS". I see a geopolitical zone made up of Igbo, Ijaw, Edo, Urhobo, Itsekiri, Efik/Ibibio/Annang, Ogoni, Ibani, and many smaller tribes of Cross rivers state.

My only interest there is Igbo. However, I also like Ibibio, Kalabari, Okrika, Ibani and Ogoni. I have interracted with some of them here on Nairaland, and they were quite good and never harbored any hostile intents or wishes against Ndigbo.

I personally believe that every group in SS is smart enough not to repeat whatever mistakes of the past.
Else, they would have two enemies to fight -about 40 million Igbo breathing down from the North, and Atlantic Ocean threatening from the South. 

ocelot2006:
Yeah right. More rants. Let's see, there's a small igbo speaking tribe in Akwa Ibom. But hey, I've not seen any Biafran invasion yet. Hmmmmm, must be as a result of the bad roads on your own end. Or maybe the [b]MASSOB members [/b]rotting away in police custody. Anyway, get back to me when your "invasion" is underway.

hahaha! I know that this goat is fixated on MASSOB.
I really love what those MASSOB guys are doing, attracting silly flies, while the real sons plan.
Mark my word, y'all won't know what hit ya! 

All I have to say at this time is that NO INCH of Igboland will be ceded to anyone anywhere in Nigeria.
This ain't no rant. 
BTW to borrow your words, YOU CAN BELIEVE WHATEVER MAKES YOU HAPPY. haha. 

ocelot2006:
And I can't wait for that "time" to come, if it ever comes. We've been hearing the same rants from you thieves for years, but nada. So what are you waiting for? Abi you "own" those lands? Oya, come and take them. That's if you have the balls to stay and fight (I never knew it took you crooks this long to grow a pair of balls)

Oh a lil advice, focus on your erosion ravaged refuse dumps you call lands, and your piss-poor leadership. You can't clean up Aba, yet you want to take over the SS. Nice joke.

Something is obviously eating you up. lol
I hope you know that the Atlantic Ocean is coming. Like I said, I would be very reticent if I were you.
You have not heard us yet because we are busy studying your type and mapping you out to make sure your type don't go back to your ways. My map tells me that there is Igboland in Rivers and Delta states, core SS states.
Every other SS state is marginal IMHO.
Once we get our lands, everybody go answer im papa name.
But if anyone dare touch an inch of it, then, be ready.

In Igbo we say that a bird that must pick a fight with a woodpecker should first ensure it developed a tough skull.
I hope you have the skull to face us Igbo youths of the 21st century.

ocelot2006:
But hey, keep dreaming. Whatever makes you happy.

It is not a dream, and if I were you, I would be very very reticent and very careful. lol
I won't say more.

ocelot2006:
@ onlytruth, so the lands owned by the ibibios, annangs, efiks, northern cross riverians, ijaws, itsekiris kalabiri urhobos are all igbo lands? Really? Okay,  Why don't you thieves go and claim the land physically? 'seems you guys are itching for a repeat of what happened years ago. And don't worry, this time we'll leave the two airports at owerri and enugu open for you guys to run away, before we seize them again.

My friend I know you very well, that is why I made my statement. You know what though, I really think and hope that my brothers on Nairaland would not waste their time addressing your type because when the next jungle matures, we know how to get what is ours. You keep dreaming of a 1967 repeat when we focused on the enemy in front, not knowing that the enemy behind was more dangerous. Boy, you will know that we have learned when the next mayhem begins.

ocelot2006:
@ Dede 1, please count the SS out of that pipe dream called Biafra or whatever.

My friend there is nothing called "SS" in real Nigerian division permutations because Igboland is a big part of the SS.
Just like you cannot mistake "NC" for middle belt. They are not the same. lol
There is ND of course, which is really another name for Ijawland.
When we get down to dividing Nigeria, it will be hammered into your head.
"SS" will most likely be cherry picked between Biafra and ND (Ijawland).

One of my friends who owns a house somewhere outside Igboland said that he would personally burn down his house before leaving, if he has to leave it.
There will no longer be any abandoned property in any part of Nigeria again.

@Topic

Some truths in what you said about MASSOB. Personally, I think that MASSOB is too loud for my liking.
I believe in speaking softly and carrying a big stick.
We need a silent but far more efficient organization to carry this idea to its logical end, one way or another.

ndu_chucks:
Eze Nairaland Gburu Gburu, ogo m, why do you think you know my motives for starting this thread? You should be smart enough, by now, to understand that bigotry and hatred will eat you up and render you delusional.

I do agree with you that we need a peaceful nation but we cannot have peace until GEJ decides to defend the country from a very real war.  Hundreds of Nigerians have been killed in full view of the world in tens of millitary offensives by BH, yet our C in C is yet to mount a major offensive to render these enemies impotent. In the meantime, traitors like you are running around secretly jubiliating at the turn of events because you believe they will eventually  lead to your biafra nation, ko?

If you want peace for Nigeria, start by putting your Igbo brothers in check and reduce the onslaught of hateful threads. Start with the character called Nchara, if you have the power. olodo

You see? I told you that you have a twisted worldview. Do you think that I support mayhem in Nigeria as a recipe for Biafra's secession from Nigeria? I am not like you, ndu_chucks. The world is not a zero sum game for me. In my worldview, we can all win, even if I secede. It only takes a simple act of negotiation to achieve that.

We need a REAL PEACE in Nigeria, not a forced peace or peace of the graveyard.

I will repeat, I am not a die hard secessionist; but if Nigeria can only survive by feeding on the blood of innocent people, including my people Ndigbo, then, like the Lion of Biafra said, "Biafra is always an option!". Ka ji ko?

Pathetic lie.

ndu_chucks, it seems your thread has gone viral. It only irked those who wanted to be irked already. I told you yesterday that it is an innocent meeting of Nigerians seeking to create a breathing room for a beleaguered president. Nothing more.

I know that you are stoking this as if a major betrayal is in the offing; but why are you this way? Why is the world a zero sum game for you? Can't we all win?
BTW I read that Emir Ado Bayero shed tears when GEJ visited him. He has deeply grieved by the deaths of innocent folks in Kano. My father (who BTW was a dan Kano 1) told me that Bayero is a very good man. I am beginning to believe him.  

@Topic,

Everybody please calm down. We need a peaceful nation, whether we stay together or divide. No need reading something into nothing.  

ndu_chucks:
If GEJ fights and defeats BH, significantly reduces corruption, fully deregulate the power sector and pass the PIB, I will vote for him in 2015. I'm for ONE Nigeria, unlike you biafran.

Eze, abeg help me beat this bashr8 to his senses. the boy is too uptight, abeg train am small.

Ol boy, why not require him to find the cure for AIDS too. lol 
Your terms for supporting GEJ is dishonest and unrealistic. Abeg enter bus, forget the name of the bus!
On GEJ we stand, come rain come shine! 

BTW that my brother bashr8 is a pure genius.
I would advise you to listen when he talks. 

@ndu_chucks

I'm already working on a stratagem to ensure that GEJ continues in office after 2015.
Get ready bro. Power will not leave Eastern Nigeria soon. 
. . . and no amount of Boko Haram will change anything.