₦airaland Forum

@Eko Ile

I hope you are not really expecting me to fall for your r.e.tarded trap.  
Even if I post a picture showing the best development in Nigeria, you will still talk trash; so what is the use?

When are you going to join the rest of us homo sapiens progressives?  

Eko Ile:
I asked you to tell us what they have delivered in terms of infrastructure.

Shebi they have a lot to say about other people's infrastructures. Now tell us something about theirs

Both states are developing their infrastructure, from roads, to bridges to building new schools, hospitals, all without taxing innocent citizens to death. Like I said, true progressives are taking note, and fake progressives are panicking! 

The man calling you people out here is a Yoruba APGA man, and he is not happy that thieves are Desecrating Lagos with taxes, while delivering almost nothing for the tax collected. The state is acquiring HUGE debts too, yet Lagosians are paying for their very existence.
Soon, Lagosian eyes will open, na Chicken logo placard dem go take chase you comot from governors lodge at Alausa. 

Eko Ile:
Where are they progressing to with zero achievements? Can you name one single infrastructure or progressive achievement they have delivered to anybody?

ZERO/NOTHING. Just incompetent loudmouths like you losers on NL, 


What is agipa gan sef? Who are your leaders and what specifically have they delivered to the people they represent? One single classroom they haven't built and that's even if they know how to build one.

Anambra State under APGA is one of the least indebted states in Nigeria, and Imo State is also financially solid with FREE education.
Both states are not taxing their citizens to death; rent tax, toll tax, road tax, sh!tt!ing tax etc.

APGA leaders are Rochas Okorocha and Peter Obi

Next question?

Eko Ile:
What difference does it make? Dude could be emeka sef for all I care. AGPA is nothing but a freeking  ibo political party, [b]they have no representation beyond the confines of iboland talk less Lagos [/b]and their political ideology, philosophy and sense of backward governance is a sad reflection of the stupidity the fool asserted and the backwardness going on in iboland. They can keep their stupidity in iboland.

Fact remains that the man is not Igbo, but the point is that it is becoming abundantly clear now that APGA is the only hope of progressives in Nigeria. Soon, every progressive will jump on board and say a big NO to mass robbing and tax lynching. Lagos is for the taking by true progressive forces! 

Eko Ile:
And what have these political party clowns said about all the ills ravaging their own villages? Like we really give a damn what some villagers got to say about how we run our own state?


These clowns can not even deliver a common airport, all they did was begged  and begged like beggars to have the same airstrip repainted and handed bacck to them like suckers.

These fools are slaughtering and kidnapping themselves endlessly, but these clowns don;t even give a poo, talk less having anything to say about it

Common bridge these losers can not build, it's the same begging and begging like destitutes, yet they got the nerve to talk about other people and how they deal with their own infrastructural needs. 




No, save your fake BS, look in the mirror and go worry about your own backward and roadless, bridgeless and no development  towns and villages


What a bunch of clowns,

But the APGA man is not from the so called villages. He is a Yoruba man from Lagos.
When are you ever going to evolve into a homo sapien?

Obiagu1:
EzeIgbo OnlyTruth, udo dili gi.

I think I'll disagree with you here. Fixing roads does not offer us any more gain than a refinery. We need employment and retention of expertise within the SE. I once complained about this exclusion of the SE as a possible location of this planned new refineries. If we concern ourselves with possible environmental impact of a refinery in our land, then we should close the door entirely to even exploit a single oil or gas reserve in our land because I don't know which one posses more hazard.

You talked about Orient, for goodness sake, Orient is private. Will we provide ourselves with all that we need without the help of the federal government? From building 2nd Niger bridge to whatever. Why? Also, PH, though in Igboland, is not in the SE.

If Ohaneze in Enugu continue to keep mute on everyone issue except in handing Igbo vote to GEJ, then I'll turn to Ohaneze Lagos branch as the official centre of Ohaneze because I think they understand the need of the Igbos more.

@Bolded, Okwu gi kwu oto, but please contact me at ezendigbo_nl@hushmail.com

This is very important.
Thanks.

This "Ohanaeze Ndigbo Lagos Branch" should not be making this statement, afterall there is the Ohanaeze MAIN headquarters in Enugu that should be making it, if at all this is important. They must not view Igboland with a "Lagosian" mindset.
Do we need another refinery in Igboland?
Do these people know the environmental impacts of a refinery?
How far are all parts of Igboland from the Orient refinery in Anambra, and the Port Harcourt refinery?

They should agitate for more important things like fixing federal roads and finishing the Enugu International Airport.
Since we are in Nigeria, we don't have to worry about any refinery in our backyard, unless of course they can prove that the economic gain is far more than the environmental impacts.

I love Chidibang! I'll watch it.
Yes of course it is true!

Kobojunkie:
So in your assessment, the problem is that the deaths are not reported to the ICC?

I hate to disappoint you but I don't see any debate in this. The vast majority of the numbers reported are of murders committed by Nigerians against their fellow Nigerians -- mostly hate crimes committed against in the name of religion, ethnicity or sex. Many of these murders walk free, waiting for the next opportunity to kill out of hate. If you ask me, those who spread the hate are themselves guilty as those who go out to kill for them.

Now, [b]I would suggest that those who spread hate, even those on Nairaland who are guilty of spreading hate against people of other tribes should be gathered and shot in the head [/b]but I know that is not sensible. So, all I can do is hope that stories like this helps educate people like you of the consequences of your actions, even that which you spew here on Nairaland.

I can now see why this thread is not getting any attention.
Can you ever make sense for once?
Well, good luck with your madness.
Steppin' over.

Kobojunkie:
You are really asking me for a solution in this? Really? https://images-1.findicons.com/files/icons/1039/manto/128/despise.png

Maybe I expected you to follow my method: identify a problem, propose a solution, then the debate starts.

Well, here is where I believe we can start. We can start by carefully documenting extra-judicial killings in Nigeria, and taking the case to the ICC. The Nigerian judicial system spares too many mass murderers and extra-judicial killers.

Now, what are your own proposals?

How are we sure that the Chinese won't use this satellite to spy on Nigeria BIG TIME?
Do you people know that satellite technology is a security/defense technology, the type of which is classified by most countries? Until I see a lab in Nigeria where the satellite is produced and launched, I would not rejoice.

Mods, please can you put this thread on the front page. The topic is very important. Thanks

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-826829.32.html

Kobojunkie:
Really? This is a massacre of lives going on right under our noses, and all you have to say is "Too bad"? I expected a different reaction but . . . hey!

I feel as passionately as you do on this issue. So, in your opinion, what do you think is the solution?

Ify, please contact me at ezendigbo_nl@hushmail.com
Thanks.   

chino11:
@chuksikem

Sure you understand we will get there because as the beacon of hope for Ndigbo Anambra will soon get there. My office is at the State Secretariats Complex @ Executive Business District near Fed. Secretariats , my house is just at Udoka estate maybe we will hook up and sit over a plate of rice and chicken during this xmas for more yarns .  .

Nwanne Chino11,

Ndigbo siri na enyewaa nwa dibia onu, o jiri abali ga buo mkporogwu n'ajo ohia.  

Amakwa m na ihe nile i na ekwu maka ochichi Peter Obi na Anambra steti bu ihe mere eme.  

We all love Anambra state and want the best for her.

Ya mere, uche gi di kwa ya. The future of Igboland  is in the hands of people in government such as yourself.

Udo diri gi.  

I feel like I have to say one more thing because it ties into my vision for Ndigbo. It is my sincere belief that we need to grow APGA and have it dominate the East. After that, we can then form a political alliance with the PDP, whereby the two parties would move and act jointly at the center. That way, we retain our core beliefs, and project them to the center, instead of the other way round which brings social and political chaos to Igboland.

As things stand now, we are in trouble politically. If Gov Orji of Abia were to be an APGA man, I strongly doubt that he would have implemented the last controversial policy. So, umunne m, please keep thinking about this.
Unity is the most potent weapon we should all work to develop in Igboland, and having ONE party firmly under our control is a very powerful vehicle to getting us what we want in Nigeria. There is really not much difference between PDP and APGA except that APGA is controlled by our philosophy of "Onye aghala nwanne ya" (powerful stuff).

Here I stand.

As "Eze Ndigbo Nairaland", I don't know whether to rejoice or cry. I don't want to offend anyone. However, I still have to say that the judiciary is the last hope for the common man; therefore , let the judgment be implemented to the last letter.   Ubochi ozo, onye obula akwusi izu oshi.  

Ejiné:
Even if this man wins as Class Prefect, appeal court go still sack am.

Una go wound person for Nairaland.

^
lol.

"I shall never use profanity except in discussing house rent and taxes. Indeed, upon second thought, I will not even use it then, for it is unchristian, inelegant, and degrading--though to speak truly I do not see how house rent and taxes are going to be discussed worth a cent without it.
"
- - Mark Twain

Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.

-James Bovard (1994)

Odum, I just sent you a mail.

PhysicsQED:
Sanusi is intelligent, but the most intelligent man in the country, as in any country, is more likely to be some obscure professor tucked away somewhere (probably in the natural sciences) and not in government. She knew that she was exaggerating when she made that statement, but it can be interpreted as being not just exaggeration, but also condescension. And if you don't know a place, why make statements about who is the most outstanding person in that country with regard to a certain aspect?

I honestly think Sanusi is something of a dilettante, actually, and that this may explain his publications in areas that have nothing to do with his chosen career and his dearth of publications relating to economics.

An aspiring or amateur political philosopher might want to read Marx's Eighteenth Brumaire, but I see no reason why a competent modern economist or banker should even care what that is, let alone read it. Not that people can't have a wide range of interests, but I think this supposed higher intelligence is mostly show, eloquence, etc. and not really substantive.

Also, there's certainly nothing in his publication history or scholarly background to suggest he's any more intelligent or even as intelligent as any of the top Nigerian economics professors from any of the better Nigerian universities (UI, UNN, Uniben, OAU, etc.).



On a completely unrelated note, that woman (Christine Lagarde) looks a bit like the Mad Hatter.

Thank you a whole lot! You basically covered it all. Some Nigerians are plain dumb.

I quite agree that illiterates are shaping Nigeria's destiny. By illiterates I don't just mean half bakes and poor university products, but people who lack the necessary ENLIGHTENMENT to design a nation with true giant status.

[size=16pt]Illiterates, semi-illiterates are shaping our democracy – Senator Gwadabe[/size]

Senator Khairat Gwadabe, a charming blend of brain and beauty is chairman of Senators’ Forum, a body comprising serving and former Senators. Gwadabe represented the Federal Capital Territory in the Senate between 1999 and 2003.

In her time, she was never at the background in any of the major issues that surfaced in the Senate. She is remembered as one of the strong allies of Senator Chuba Okadigbo and reportedly one of those who mobilized the signatures that preceded the removal of Okadigbo’s predecessor, Senator Evan Enwerem.

Her schemes were, however, not always successful. Her confrontation with the Senate leadership during the Anyim Senate led to a temporary political set back when she was caged before Anyim in the midst of his own battles with President Obasanjo recruited Khairat, the Gimbiya of the Senate, to help him. Senator Gwadabe in an interview expressed her opinion on contemporary issues and the role of the Senators Forum in the polity. Excerpts:

What is the purpose of Senators’ Forum?

The Senators’ Forum comprises serving Senators and non-serving Senators as members. The uniqueness of our own forum is that we have both serving and non-serving Senators as members. That way, the non-serving Senators have a form of continuity right there in the Senate because they have served and chaired committees and the serving Senators have rich crop of members to interact with and get forehand information that helps democracy and strengthens it. We are also here to ensure that we continue to put the voice of the people in the forefront.

Sometimes, when you are in office, you lose sight of what the people are saying because of the exigencies of office. We are no longer in office, we haven’t lost sight of the consent of the people and that gives us an avenue to give our fellow members-insiders of what the people feel about what is happening in the country. We are also interested in ensuring that democracy reign in the whole of Africa.

What can the Forum offer differently from the sitting Senate?

The Chairman of Board of Trustees of our forum is the Senate President and more or less, we are one. It is just that they are still serving. All the Senate Presidents alive today are members of board of trustees, chaired by the Senate President. That is the reason I say it is a people friendly, people oriented kind of forum that we have.

How do you pass decisions reached by the Forum to the authorities?

Who are the authorities? Authorities are at different level. We have channels, where we reach the different levels of authority or government in this country.

What is the impact of your decisions on the National Assembly?

Yes, when things are happening in the National Assembly, we do speak with them. We do not unduly interfere with their own mode of work but we have our positions and we express ourselves and make them know what we feel the people are saying about the issue and what they think the people in the Senate should do. So, indirectly, we do bring the voice of the people to bear on our members.

What is the position of the Forum on the removal of fuel subsidy?

You cannot tune in your radio or turn on the television without having a line of something about subsidy because it is something that is dear to the hearts of Nigerians. The debate is down the line; some are in support, some are not in support.

So, it is the balance of interest of the larger society that we go round to hear. We do not only listen to what we hear on TV, we interact on a daily basis and we let our members that are serving know that in this area, these are what we are hearing. The advantage is that, we have members that are across parties.

I mean the stand of the Forum on the subsidy issue?

We go round to get everybody’s voice before we take a stand and we are still in the process of calling our members and hearing what they have to say. We have not concluded that and we cannot just get up to say we are for or against the removal of fuel subsidy. We have to take a position that is weighty and we are not flimsy with what we say.

But you said you have been collecting peoples’ views on it, what is your own position on removal?

I don’t know whether the popular things that are being said in the media truly reflect the view of Nigerians. I was talking with a truck pusher in the market on his view about the oil subsidy but he said he did not understand what it was all about. After taking him through the issue, he said he has been hearing people talk about it but whenever he gets to where people are saying ‘remove it’, he will concur with them and if he is where they are saying ‘don’t remove it’, he will also agree with them.

But having explained the situation to him, he said removing it will affect him negatively because he could no longer have the financial capacity to buy things they usual way because he may no longer get enough customers to carry their goods since their own purchasing power of the masses would have reduced due to high cost of things. I asked him what he would do if he doesn’t have customers as before, he said he would look for something else to do. Listening to him put some other questions in my mind ‘what are the other things he may likely find to do?

Oil subsidy

For us to see the heightened politics of support of oil subsidy, we need to take it to the people that need to understand them and have their views. I asked one of the Senators from Nasarawa the view of people from his area and his response was that some villages there have not felt the impact of government, so, whether they remove it or not may not affect them.

The only thing they know, when they wake up in the morning is to go to their farms and they are sustained by farm produce. The roads to their farms are not tarred and as such, they go on motor-bikes. For them, it doesn’t matter much. That is one constituency and we are still compiling so that by the time we take a stand, it would be a firm stand on the issue.

Talking about the limited knowledge about fuel subsidy, would you blame it on the wide gap between the government and the people?

You have to understand that many people don’t appreciate what governance is all about. If you want to take it a step further, I will say that the process of our democracy and the process through which our elected officers emerge are flawed. For instance, when you seek political office, the first thing you will do is to be a member of a particular party by registering in a ward, once you have done that; you begin to acquaint yourself with the people.

To be a candidate, you have to go through the primaries. Those that will elect you are not the general public but members of that party and who are the members of the party, those that have time to be executives at that level. I remember my experience, the chairman of my ward was a tea seller and I had to recognise him as my chairman.

At that level, educated and enlightened people are not interested, thereby leaving it in hands of illiterates and semi-illiterates and they determine who emerges as winner at the elections. That is why I think the governed are distanced from those that govern them.

Budget 2012

What is your assessment of budget 2012?

Senators, who are serving are still debating the budget and they have different views depending on the side of the divide you are and the constituency you represent. Those, who come from the northern axis that have farmlands, are excited about the budget because it is rich for that. Those, who come from the area the girl-child problem exist are also excited.

It (budget) did not take care of all our complete needs but there is a little for everyone. There is a lot for security; that is a power statement on its own. Some members are saying that too much money is going into that sector and that a lot more should have been given to other sectors. But the saddest thing about the budget is that the recurrent is too high.

Where you have over 70 per cent going for people to personnel, it is a big burden. The burden is too much that the country is spending 70 per cent of the budget on servicing staff while the remaining per cent is too little to reflect the development of the nation. I rather see a situation, where 30 per cent goes to recurrent and 70 to capital.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/12/illiterates-semi-illiterates-are-shaping-our-democracy-senator-gwadabe/

ShangoThor:
Hey onlyTruth, I'm just being honest. I beleive SLS to be intelligent, and honest in general, but I believe his Politics to be religiously biased.

Nevertheless, I believe he would be the best Northern candidate for President the North could ever gift this nation IF we make it past 2015 A.D.

One of the biggest problems Northern Nigerian presidents bring along with them is the inability to think free of religion.
I wonder how other Muslim nations (such as Turkey and a more notorious one Pakistan) are able to develop technologically, while our own Muslims do the opposite. To me, picking a Northern Nigerian president that can think outside of religion is like finding that needle in a haystack. Quite sad.

The moment Sanusi failed to scale that religion barrier, he failed my own test. A great leader can still be a Godly man without forcing his personal religion on the whole country.
BTW, when is Nigerian launching her first home made submarine and home developed air defense systems?
If you can show me a Northerner who can think like that, he is my candidate.

Other third world countries are doing it now; when will Nigeria start?

Chyz*:
[size=15pt]Abia moves to stop damage by herdsmen[/size]

Wednesday, 21 December 2011 00:00 From Gordi Udeajah, Umuahia News - National





TO check the increasing damage of crops on farms by herdsmen in Abia State, the state executive council has resolved to constitute a task force that will enforce the relevant laws.

Information Commissioner, Okwubunka Don Ubani who told journalists of the move in Umuahia, s[b]aid the task force will be resorted to if the media sensitization exercise being embarked upon fails to persuade the herdsmen to stop damaging farm crops with their cattle.[/b]

He said the exco also constituted a committee headed by the Justice Commissioner, Chief Umeh Kalu to articulate modalities for effective, sustainable and accountable revenue collection for the state.

The commissioner decried the reported proliferation of revenue consultants in the state, explaining that authentic revenue collectors and consultants are those recognised by the office of the state Accountant General and the Ministry of Finance.


http://www.guardiannewsngr.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=71464:abia-moves-to-stop-damage-by-herdsmen&catid=1:national&Itemid=559

Great news from Abia state!
Abia is taking the lead on this one, and I hope that other SE states would copy this policy.
The cattle men need to be checked very early, else conflict is inevitable.

Beaf:
The man is not even intelligent.
He is more like someone applying hammer and nail where tact, finesse and sophistry are required.

I was just thinking exactly the same thing!
[b]ShangoThor [/b]the great, I'm a little disappointed in your assessment of this man.

Yes, he did some good works at CBN, but I believe he killed a lot of flies with lots of sledge hammers.
To me, he is responsible for Nigeria's inability to take her place as THE giant of Africa economically.

His economic scoping/envisioning for Nigeria is somewhat stunted. 
Given the amount of money we have been making from oil, he set us back (or stopped our forward march) by many years.

^^

Odum, I just replied your email. Thanks for contacting me.

Nigerians and their skewed and delusional mindset.

Pray, has anybody come across a University graduated Engineer that skipped Calculus? HELL NO.
Nigerians think they can become Engineers without doing maths.

I will repeat my refrain again.

There can be no revolution, the type of "Arab spring" in Nigeria, until some Nigerian government and ex-government officials are dragged to the ICC War Crimes court at the Hague. Nigeria is a nation that commits mass murder and extra-judicial killings with relish and high impunity.

If 100,000 Nigerians come out to march and persist in their mass action, be assured that THOUSANDS can be gunned down by Nigerian security operatives without any qualms whatsoever. And nothing would happen after that.
You all know I'm speaking the truth.

That is why this, and any other protest, would never materialize in Nigeria.
If you want to earn the right to protest, the so called civil society groups in Nigeria can lay the foundation first by dragging some Nigerian war and civil rights criminals to the Hague. This is very cheap and would not even involve loss of life. After that, then watch how our security operatives would learn and allow us our constitutional rights of free speech which the marches are all about.

Start from the bottom. Pick out the mass murderers; drag them to Hague; come back home to enjoy your constitutional rights; else 10,000 demonstrates, 5,000 gunned down with impunity; others vow never to repeat the "mistake".

Igbo mma mma nu!

Kwe nu!
Kachaa nu!
Rie nu!

Kwezue nu!

Nwanne unu bu Onlytruth na ekene unu wee na asi jidenu ka unu iji.
Aro 2011 na abia na ngwucha, o wee di nkpa na aga m arapuru unu obere okwu ndumodu.
Okwu ndumodu a ka anyi ga ebu n'obi wee mechie aro a, were kwa ya bata aro 2012.
Okwu a di nkenke.

Otu onye oke amamihe a n'akpo Machiavelli siri na mba obula ga aga n'ihu, ga ejikoriri aka ha, na obi ha onu.
O sikwara na otu obi bu ike mba ukwu obula. Otu obi ahu na ebido na ilu ogu megide atumatu nkewa obula, ma o sitere n'ezi, ma o sitere n'ulo.

Na mkpirisi, o siri na otu uzo di egwu, di kwa ire, isi merie mba obula, bu ibu uzo tinye nkewa n'etiti mba ahu.
Mba ndi meriri ibe ha na agha siteri na mgbe ochie, na eji nkata ojoo ahu we merie mba kariri ha.

O buru na enweha nkewa n'etiti mba obula, nmeri ha di nfe rinne.

Ya mere, umu nne m, onye ekwela ka onye obula tinye obi di iche iche n'etiti umu Igbo. Anyi nile ga ejiko aka we losu onye bula choro itinye nkewa na Alaigbo ogu. Anyi bu umunne ruo mgbe ebighi ebi.

Ana m ario chineke umu Igbo, onye debere anyi ndu n'oge agha, ka odebe anyi ndu ruo ogwugwo aro a, ma batakwa na aro ohuu. Amen.

Ndi n'eje njem, jeenu nke oma; latakwa nu n'udo.
Ekeresimesi oma nu o!

Igbo kwezuo nu!

koruji:
Agreed, fuel subsidy is a sinkhole, but the worst thing you can do is take the subsidy away, punishing both the masses and those corrupt officials at NNPC, and then pour it into a bigger sinkhole.

Even if all these plans are well-intentioned and honest they still fail woefully. [/b]Simple illustration: You cannot raise the price of bread that I am eating today, claiming it is for my benefit since you plan to buy new land, plant wheat, construct a new flour-making factory and a new bakery.

It doesn't work because:

1. Your plans have no direct bearing on my need for bread "TODAY" - the problem I have is that your new price is higher than I am used to not how you come about producing bread.
2. It is untimely - I starve to death by the time your wheat is grown, and all that nonsense.
3. [b]Everything that can go wrong will go wrong with all those plans - think Ajaokuta 30-40 years later.

And that is assuming that GEJ is being honest Abe. In reality, this government is being too clever by half.

It is not as if removal of subsidies have not being done before - but this is not how it is done.

When you do something the way it is not supposed to be done, expect the unexpected result.

You raised some serious points, and I must admit I'm scratching my head.
But, the current system is still not sustainable.
Why can't they just drag oil thieves to jail then? Well, I have to answer myself: it is not possible in Nigeria's current political structure.
Subsidy removal may be one hard pill that may help.
Let's keep discussing this.