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Sometimes I wish that Rochas would devote more time to designing and growing a new APGA, but that would be unfair of me, because my Imo state folks still need his services first. I am not losing hope that he would find time to do both. We need his political magic to move APGA forward. |
mikeansy:Bro Mike, you raised some strong points. However, don't you think that the two bolded actually conflicts with each other? Ekwueme cannot lead a STRONG movement, especially when it would aim to capture the East first before spreading nationally. Somehow, my eyes are still on ROCHAS to do this job. I don't know much about him, but I know that he is a grassroots and seasoned politician; someone who is not afraid to play from a NEW foundation and NEW idea away from the center. Ekwueme is a hostage of the center. Our new leader should do the OPPOSITE of what an Ekwueme would do, which is -regional, then national; not the other way round as PDP (under Ekwueme) is trying to do. APGA can only go far when it launches from the basis of our culture. Ronald Reagan said that America rules the would by her culture. VERY TRUE. We can do the same too. Nollywood stories are already proving that. |
CyberG:If not that we Ndigbo need to CONSTANTLY remember what happened both through book accounts (biased or unbiased) and oral witness accounts, I would not even want us to discuss this issue anymore. It is not serving any use. Everybody is entitled to believe whatever he/she chooses to believe. BTW whenever you people accuse us Easterners of tribalism, I just wish that our (Igbo/Eastern) leaders would be just like your own leaders. I pray for that everyday. |
@CyberG The book you are citing is so narcissistic and almost laughable in its lame attempt to justify genocide by the Nigerians during the war. The premise of the book is that because genocides happened elsewhere in the world, and was not so classified, it shouldn't be so classified in Africa. Ndigbo say that you do not tell a deaf man that a war has started. It is self evident. Therefore we don't need anybody to tell us what happened. The book essentially says that ALL IS FAIR IN WAR; but then I wonder of what use is the Geneva Conventions of war. Fortunately there are also other books saying the opposite. In one funny and lame attempt to justify the Asaba genocide, your author ( a very biased revisionist) states that the action of "one Biafran" by shooting a Nigerian officer, justified the execution of over 700 men and boys. ![]() Look, as far as I'm concerned, everybody is entitled to believe whatever they want. I support this type of thread because it would help Ndigbo to keep focus. We forget too quickly. |
mikeansy:lol, Shame left Nigeria in 1966. They have been doing copy and paste ever since. |
@9ja voice Okwu gi nile kwo oto. Nnanne, nnukwu nsogbo diri ndigbo. Ihe n'ewute m rinne bu na umu okorobia Igbo huru ego n'anya karia ndu ha. ![]() Ha aghotaghi na onye nwuru anwu adighi eri ego! ![]() Lee anya ofuma na ala Igbo, i ga ahu na umu okorobia nile kwesiri i buru egbe wee luo ogu nzoputa Ndigbo, bu ndi nto (kidnappers), na ato ndigbo ibe ha. Na agbanyeghi ihe ndi a, enwere m okwukwe na ogaghi adi anya, Ndigbo ga ebido ime ihe ibe ha na eme. ![]() |
Thanks Olodostein! I quite enjoyed your post, and you were on point on many issues in Nigeria. HOWEVER, I have some more questions. You seem to suggest that Northerners are better behaved Nigerians than Southerners. The premise of my argument would be in form of a foundational question: WHY HAVE THERE BEEN CONSTANT RIOTS IN THE NORTH since 1945? Frankly speaking, I would want ONE Nigeria with all the POSITIVE possibilities and dreams; the problem is that Nigeria has NEVER shown a REAL chance of success, even BEFORE Independence. I hope you know, for instance, that the policy of "North for Northerners" started even before independence. As of then, Ahmadu Bello led a policy that basically says that every job in the North must be filled by Northerners, and were a Northerner not available, a foreign expatriate would be hired; and if there are no expatriates, then a southerner would be hired ON CONTRACT, pending when a Northerner could assume that position. This was the case also after independence. For a nation with shared aspirations and dreams, how do you think that Nigeria could have surmounted such hurdle? Honestly, I share in your views that our founding fathers, (mainly Azikiwe), were irresponsible in the art of designing a new nation. A handshake requires TWO parties. I cannot shake my own hands. So, when I talk about Nigeria's founding father, I really mean Azikiwe, because Bello and Awolowo clearly wanted separate countries for the West and the North respectively. Some accuse the British of playing an invidious game against Nigeria prior to independence, but I beg to differ. We could have delayed independence (heck we should have delayed it ) until we could figure out if and how we should design Nigeria. Our major problems started with the shoddy independence constitution. Having said these, it is my honest opinion that the long years of Northern military rule presented Nigeria with another GOLDEN opportunity to design a new nation based on REALITIES. Some countries of the world started their march to greatness through military rule. However, instead of designing a new Nigeria, the Northern military dictators only saw opportunity to loot the state and corner oil blocks, and basically swept Nigeria's problems under the carpet. When they wanted to leave power, they couldn't even serve Nigeria's interest by enthroning a credible leader for Nigeria; instead they rigged in a known failure. The man they rigged in then went ahead to design Nigeria around his selfish interests, and everything in Nigeria since 1999 have ever since revolved around him, one way or another. The current crisis ties back to him, but he had Northern support initially. I, as a child of Eastern Nigeria, a region long kept away from the corridors of federal power, I cannot accept any fault for Nigeria's current problems. My region attempted to solve the problem glossed over by the failed independence constitution in 1967. We lost a war, and millions died. We remain the only region in Nigeria that has EVER boldly challenged the failing foundations of Nigeria. I should therefore be allowed some room to feel vindicated. For almost 30 years now, there has been a CONSTANT clamour for a soveriegn national conference where Nigerians can sit together and design a solid nation. The North has opposed each and every one of them. The crisis in the Niger delta was only visited to some extend after a limited armed struggle in that part. Was it necessary? A simple conference could have saved lives and millions of dollar that could have been used to improve lives of average Nigerians. The North only bugged after a violent uprising. That again ties to the current Boko Haram crisis. When the leader of that Islamic sect was arrested, instead of him facing the courts, he was summarily executed. Today, his followers are up in arms! Why are Northern Nigerian leaders afraid of a National Conference? Lastly, it is my principle and belief, that the greatest internal security any country can EVER have, is JUSTICE AT HOME. There is no amount of security agencies that can defend a country against unemployed youths for instance. It is cheaper to create jobs! There is no amount of security that can replace FAIRNESS. Any nation hoping on these, instead of justice and love and fairness, WILL FAIL. So, drop your beliefs about some intelligence silver bullet that stops the poor and oppressed. I am a strong follower of Jaweh the Great God that rules the universe. If you oppress the poor, you will pay for it. ![]() A nation of shared destiny can emerge in Nigeria, but these MUST STOP before that: QUOTA SYSTEM, INDIGENE/SETTLER DICHOTOMY RESOURCE CONTROL A Nigerian must be able to live and work in ANY part of Nigeria without fear of being killed or discriminated. A Nigerian must not lose an employment position for which he is dully qualified. Local owners of resources should control much of it, because they bear the environmental impacts of extractions. Here I stand. Signing off, Ndu di n'eziokwu 1 of Igboland, Eze Igbo Nairaland. ![]() |
OAM4J:No you don't. lol ![]() |
kingoflag:I would ignore your insult and go to the point. ![]() FACT #1: My region, Eastern Nigeria has seen the least of sectional violence targeting foreigners in our midst compared with other regions in Nigeria since the beginning of the Nigerian state. Even when we were being killed in other regions in 1966, we shepherded other Nigerians home. FACT #2: Eastern Nigerians have historically been killed by other Nigerians for one excuse of another: failed coup, Denmark cartoon, just take your pick. They are currently dying in Northern Nigeria. And you dare call me hateful? Don't you sound as obtuse as other conspiracy theorists here? ![]() |
So, where are all those saying "Nigerian politicians are the problem"? I know that no Northerner has been killed in Eastern Nigeria because a Northerner won presidential polls. EVER. |
Family escapes Kano riots, loses 4 daughters in Madalla blast • Father, 58, says he can’t find their corpses From UBONG UKPONG, Abuja Wednesday, December 28 , 2011 •Emmanuel Obiukwu Abuja-based businessman, Sir Emmanuel Obiukwu, lost four of his daughters in the Christmas Day bomb blast at the Saint Theresa’s Catholic Church, Madalla, Niger state. The man fled with his family from Kano State and settled at Madalla, following the insurgence in that state, where they almost died 20 years later. Sir Obiukwu, 58, was sighted by Daily Sun at the National Hospital, Abuja, looking despondent and shattered as he went up and down in the hospital, and finally stopped at a point where his kinsmen, friends and church members, who had come to sympathize with him were gathered. Daily Sun, sought to know why the crowd was gathered and discovered that it was about the calamity that had befallen Obiukwu’s family. Obiukwu, who was very emotional lamented that since the incident occurred on Sunday, they had to no avail, gone from one hospital to the other, searching for the corpses of his daughters after ensuring the admission of their mother and sister, who survived the dastardly act. Chioma Obiukwu, the most senior daughter and a University final year student, Ifeoma and Uchenna Obiukwu, twins and Chidimma Obiukwu, he believed, had all perished beyond recognition since he said that he watched them standing along the road right at the spot where the blast occurred, as they tried to cross over to enter the car after the mass. “Since I left Kano because of the riot, I have not been happy but I said, this is a free land these Hausa people cannot make much problem because they like to kill any how, but here is a unity place, no problem it is safe. As I left Kano that was what I had on my mind, but this is really from fry pan to fire. “We went for 6 O’clock mass at St. Theresa’s Catholic Church in Madalla. The mass dismissed at about 8.30 to 9 O’clock, so families were heading for home. People were at the road there directing movement; I was in front of the church. Suddenly, by then my children and my wife had come, I gave them car key to go and board the car across the road. I told them to cross over to the car so that I could wear-off my church warden dress and go to drop them before I come back to officiate during the 10:00am mass. “So as they were going, they wanted to cross the road and while I was coming out, I heard a thunderous sound and since I did not know where the sound was coming from, I ran in and hid myself behind one of the pillars. See dust everywhere, but as soon as I recovered from the shock because I was not hurt, I looked out and saw fire, see all those cars coming out from the church were just burning. My children had not crossed the road. So they were there when that bomb blasted. Four of them, I did not see them up till now. “After admitting my wife and second daughter here on Sunday so that we know their condition before we start looking for the other ones, after their admission, we started going round the whole hospitals in Abuja, after that back to General hospital in Suleija, we could not see any person. So, I told my people, all the corpse we saw, they are beyond recognition, even the ones here, (National Hospital) because majority are here and Gwagwalada, they are beyond recognition. “So I went there checking one by one, people I saw, I couldn’t recognize them, that is how we have been going round and round, no one up till now. It was that place they stood to cross the road that the incident happened, my car was blasted, if you go there, it is still there, so that was how I confirmed that they might have been burnt beyond recognition. “We have not been able to recognize anyone that even resembled any of my daughters. The one we wanted to recognize at State House clinic, that had the size of my daughter, they were two corpses inside, they said the owners had already identified them because their mother and the other one are inside the other apartment of the mortuary. Those two were in the second apartment. They said that their owners had already come to identify them, because all of them were evacuated from one car, they got burnt inside the car as family. So that was how we left that place,” Asked if he had given up the hope on their survival since their corpses were not yet identified, he said, nothing was impossible with God “I believe that they are gone because of the incident there, that was my belief but I still have hope. If God by miracle raises them from anywhere, I will accept, but for me as a human being, I saw the incident there, I doubt. They are gone. Obiukwu is bitter about the loss and pains inflicted on him and his family, not because he was questioning the powers of God over death and life, but because the bomb blasts had become a recurrent issue in the country and he had lost his daughters because nothing was done to stop the bombings. “President Jonathan should do something better because this is not the first, not the second, not the third. I am sure that more are coming. Jonathan should wake up and know what to do, that is my candid appeal to him. He should wake up,” he said. Expressing joy that his entire family did not perish in the inferno, the Awka-Etiti, Idemili South, Anambra State man, said that his wife’s health was fast improving, believing God also for the other daughter, Chiamaka. He is also thankful to God that he and his son were not hurt, considering the fact that some families may have lost everyone to the same or a related blast. http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/news/national/2011/dec/28/national-28-12-2011-004.html |
@igbo2011 Here is a little Pan African news for your enjoyment. [size=14pt]Family escapes Kano riots, loses 4 daughters in Madalla blast [/size] • Father, 58, says he can’t find their corpses From UBONG UKPONG, Abuja Wednesday, December 28 , 2011 •Emmanuel Obiukwu Abuja-based businessman, Sir Emmanuel Obiukwu, lost four of his daughters in the Christmas Day bomb blast at the Saint Theresa’s Catholic Church, Madalla, Niger state. The man fled with his family from Kano State and settled at Madalla, following the insurgence in that state, where they almost died 20 years later. Sir Obiukwu, 58, was sighted by Daily Sun at the National Hospital, Abuja, looking despondent and shattered as he went up and down in the hospital, and finally stopped at a point where his kinsmen, friends and church members, who had come to sympathize with him were gathered. Daily Sun, sought to know why the crowd was gathered and discovered that it was about the calamity that had befallen Obiukwu’s family. Obiukwu, who was very emotional lamented that since the incident occurred on Sunday, they had to no avail, gone from one hospital to the other, searching for the corpses of his daughters after ensuring the admission of their mother and sister, who survived the dastardly act. Chioma Obiukwu, the most senior daughter and a University final year student, Ifeoma and Uchenna Obiukwu, twins and Chidimma Obiukwu, he believed, had all perished beyond recognition since he said that he watched them standing along the road right at the spot where the blast occurred, as they tried to cross over to enter the car after the mass. “Since I left Kano because of the riot, I have not been happy but I said, this is a free land these Hausa people cannot make much problem because they like to kill any how, but here is a unity place, no problem it is safe. As I left Kano that was what I had on my mind, but this is really from fry pan to fire. “We went for 6 O’clock mass at St. Theresa’s Catholic Church in Madalla. The mass dismissed at about 8.30 to 9 O’clock, so families were heading for home. People were at the road there directing movement; I was in front of the church. Suddenly, by then my children and my wife had come, I gave them car key to go and board the car across the road. I told them to cross over to the car so that I could wear-off my church warden dress and go to drop them before I come back to officiate during the 10:00am mass. “So as they were going, they wanted to cross the road and while I was coming out, I heard a thunderous sound and since I did not know where the sound was coming from, I ran in and hid myself behind one of the pillars. See dust everywhere, but as soon as I recovered from the shock because I was not hurt, I looked out and saw fire, see all those cars coming out from the church were just burning. My children had not crossed the road. So they were there when that bomb blasted. Four of them, I did not see them up till now. “After admitting my wife and second daughter here on Sunday so that we know their condition before we start looking for the other ones, after their admission, we started going round the whole hospitals in Abuja, after that back to General hospital in Suleija, we could not see any person. So, I told my people, all the corpse we saw, they are beyond recognition, even the ones here, (National Hospital) because majority are here and Gwagwalada, they are beyond recognition. “So I went there checking one by one, people I saw, I couldn’t recognize them, that is how we have been going round and round, no one up till now. It was that place they stood to cross the road that the incident happened, my car was blasted, if you go there, it is still there, so that was how I confirmed that they might have been burnt beyond recognition. “We have not been able to recognize anyone that even resembled any of my daughters. The one we wanted to recognize at State House clinic, that had the size of my daughter, they were two corpses inside, they said the owners had already identified them because their mother and the other one are inside the other apartment of the mortuary. Those two were in the second apartment. They said that their owners had already come to identify them, because all of them were evacuated from one car, they got burnt inside the car as family. So that was how we left that place,” Asked if he had given up the hope on their survival since their corpses were not yet identified, he said, nothing was impossible with God “I believe that they are gone because of the incident there, that was my belief but I still have hope. If God by miracle raises them from anywhere, I will accept, but for me as a human being, I saw the incident there, I doubt. They are gone. Obiukwu is bitter about the loss and pains inflicted on him and his family, not because he was questioning the powers of God over death and life, but because the bomb blasts had become a recurrent issue in the country and he had lost his daughters because nothing was done to stop the bombings. “President Jonathan should do something better because this is not the first, not the second, not the third. I am sure that more are coming. Jonathan should wake up and know what to do, that is my candid appeal to him. He should wake up,” he said. Expressing joy that his entire family did not perish in the inferno, the Awka-Etiti, Idemili South, Anambra State man, said that his wife’s health was fast improving, believing God also for the other daughter, Chiamaka. He is also thankful to God that he and his son were not hurt, considering the fact that some families may have lost everyone to the same or a related blast. http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/news/national/2011/dec/28/national-28-12-2011-004.html |
mikeansy:You see why APGA is the only sane party among the top parties in Nigeria? When are you joining us bros? ![]() |
BTW I don't care about some story in Liberia. I only care about NIGERIA, a land of mass murderers. |
igbo2011:My friend permit me to tell you pointblank that YOU ARE NOT IGBO. hehe ![]() We have seen your type here before. Every Igbo adult knows our history in Nigeria. Why are some of you so shameless? You come here to accuse innocent foreign powers of crimes you commit on fellow Africans. ![]() |
Jenifa_:We are all Nigerians, aren't we? Isn't the money obtained by extracting oil in Imo, Abia and Rivers states (Igboland) used to build infrastructure in Northern Nigeria? So, your question is obtuse really. |
God loves Ndigbo. He is warning us daily to get ready. I hope we listen and act on time before s.h!t hits the fan. |
Nadanbata= ndu_chucks. Damn! ![]() |
Nchara:Quite brilliant Nchara! ![]() |
Where are ndu_chucks and Olodostein? |
igbo2011:I'm not even talking about Biafra; I'm talking about NIGERIA in January 1966. Like I keep telling you conspiracy theorists, Nigerian history is REAL and can almost be palpated. There are facts everywhere in Nigeria about how Northern Nigerians killed other Nigerians (Igbos mainly) over things they know nothing about. One can count about 30 -50 of such riots in Northern Nigeria. In all of them, Igbos die, and Northerner never apprehend and punish the perpetrators. Heck they don't even apologize. And then some people come here telling me about America and Israel. Nna make una go pick book read, about NIGERIA. |
ndu_chucks:ACN is a party and they were free to field any Nigerian politician, weren't they? BTW did their candidate, or CPC candidate (both Northerners) win? lol ![]() So, why attempt a failed project, and then turn around to start killing innocent Nigerians? I promise to forevermore seize my opinions on Northerners =Murderers, if GEJ actually orders the killing of thousands of Niger Deltans. Olodo ![]() |
igbo2011:Oh, my friend you fail me! So, you mean you don't even know some of the most important Nigerian history, and you are here parroting some conspiracy theory? mehn! |
Please can you conspiracy theorists tell me how these are responsible for Gideon Akaluka's beheading and the massacre that followed; how a cartoon in Denmark led to mass murder in Nigeria; and how innocent youth corpers died because Buhari lost an election? In the videos you shared, it showed that people inside those countries stood up to the power brokers and kicked them out. Why haven't Nigerians been able to do the same? Why did Nzeogwu's revolution fail and why did tens of thousands of innocent Igbos get massacred for it? More importantly, why are there no remorse by the perpetrators of that genocide even today? When you answer these questions and link them to America and Israel I will start to listen. ![]() |
@OAM4J I have these two words for you: PUBLIC COMPUTER; PUBLIC ANONYMOUS PROXY. Nuff said. ![]() |
ndu_chucks:Actually I think that "Olodostein" is your creature. He believes in your "all Nigerian politicians are the problem" theory. The problem with that theory is HISTORY, both past and evolving. As we speak, Christians (mainly Igbo of course) are leaving the North in droves, while Northerners are going about their business in Eastern Nigeria. Now, tell me how a fair mind can make such a statement. Eastern Nigerian politicians have been outside of central government power for 40 years without instigating mass murder against any Northerner. Northern Nigerian politicians have only been away from power for less that 2 years, and Southern Christians are being butchered DAILY for it. Any Igbo who makes such a statement needs to have his lineage examined. ![]() |
@Olodostein, While you are at work answering my questions, your opinions are needed here https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-833571.32.html |
Olodostein:Why am I not surprised by your broad brush answer. The problem is that the answer only fools gullible folks. Let me ask you a question, why did Nzeogwu's revolution fail in 1966? You do know that was a revolution, don't you? How many Northerners have been killed in Eastern Nigeria in peace times, from 1945 to 2011? Can you guess the proportion of deaths in Northern Nigerian riots against "foreigners", compared with similar deaths in Eastern Nigeria? |
Olodostein: Who are they? Pray tell us. |
Olodostein:Onye ka anyi n'etili mkpu? BTW I hope you heard that Christians are leaving the North in mass. Unu bu Ndigbo nwere nnukwu nsogbu! Norokwa ebe ahu ruo mgbe ndi ugwu jiri gi mee suya. |
I will repeat, that bow and arrow hide and seek you played with Fulani even cost you Illorin. At least we Ndigbo have fought a REAL war and lasted for almost 3 years. I dare you to at least ATTEMPT, EVEN ONCE. Heck I dare you to even take a stand and not run away like when Abiola and all your leaders were thrown in jail by Abacha. Leaving thread again to my lioness sister freecocoa! ![]() |
ajadek:Make una strike! All these na loudmouth talks. |
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