₦airaland Forum

Abagworo: In all honesty APGA has failed as a political platform for Igbos just like Orji's PPA. We should look inwards and ask the reason for the failure. I think that should help in deciding our next moves to form an all-Igbo block that can negotiate our collective interest. Peter Obi killed APGA mainly because of greed and jealousy.

Peter Obi is leaving active politics next year -he says so himself. If I were him I would probably do the same; the man is a billionaire business man and should be BUSY after leaving office. So that leaves Victor Umeh and maybe the Soludos (if he wins Anambra guber polls).
A soiudo victory will revive APGA overnight in the whole East. I would only believe that APGA is dead if APGA loses in Anabra guber polls.

Demdem:
There is nothing wrong if the SE has its own party, Infact they do and that is APGA. However APGA can't grow or progress as long as the bulk of the people still enjoy straws from the killer party. It will always undermine ur desired aim. APGA for instance is on the path of destruction as a result of this.

How is it any of your business? The killer party is carrying our interest at the national level the way that the "dog and baboon party" can only dream of.
Thanks but no thanks to your unsolicited counsel of Ahitofel.

mikeansy: The debate should not be about how APGA was founded

But the most important issue now is that the East needs a political party that will carry the aspirations of the South East people.

I dont see how APC can be that party

Once again Chekwas Okorie is welcome back to APGA!

Dalu nwanne.

Chekwas has left APGA and formed another party. If he wants to return all he needs do is go back. Simple.
APGA has grown bigger than any individual. Moreover the party's fortune is dictated by IGBO support so far, not Chekwas' or Ojukwu's, but NDIGBO.

So all these side talks should stop because they are distracting Ndigbo from focusing on the task at hand, which is to carve a political niche for Igboland and the East using APGA.

When I talk this way the OP calls be a tribalist, but he is a mischievous self deceiver.

Good, very good.
May be the people who threatened violence should Jonathan win in 2012 will be looked into now.
War criminals are leading some "national" political parties in Nigeria.
ICC should hurry to bring these people to justice.

asha 80: you have your work cut out as i hear those traders seem to root for ngige....why lagos?are the anambra traders based there going to vote in anambra?

Lagos because those Lagos based Igbo businessmen are not happy with Fashola because of Ladipo et al. and they lead those in Nnewi for example in information. Most Nnewi business men are only extensions of Lagos branch.
Remember when Ngige went there to campaign during the senate race?

"the Daily Trust reported a list of senators that had not said anything since their election and two of them were from Anambra State. A senator from Cross River State had proposed 21 bills that had been passed whereas someone had not proposed even one. One the State gubernatorial aspirant has 53 convoys, you can imagine how many he acquires when he becomes Governor of the State."

This is what worries me the most. Love him or hate him, Peter Obi has been able to connect with governors from other platforms at the national level and even commented severally on national issues. He even connects well with the president from a different party. He is also a modest man that has laid a modest foundation for the state, among which is political civility and economic prudence.

We shall miss you bro, but I've learned that in politics anything can happen. You might be back to politics before you know it!

One of the strategies is to go through traders. I have started with those in Nnewi and will work my way all the way to Onitsha and then Lagos.

rosebowl01: And why did you think you need to take the pains to explain your personal preference to us? Who cares?

I wasn't explaining to you, I was saying my mind.
You understand that forums are for such, right? People are here to say their minds, and I said mine.

But come to think of it, is it really this HARD for certain people to imagine advocacy, or support to, a political electoral candidate/cause without them imagining a COMPENSATION, BRIBE or PAYMENT of sorts?

What happened to BELIEF in someone or something/cause? So every leader must PAY MONEY before he is allowed to lead, and every cause must come with money? Is that how low Nigeria has sunk? I honestly hope not.

Igboland is crawling with all manner of strange FOREIGN animals which must be smoked out and chased away before we can move forward.
In ALL my life as a political activist, NO ONE, repeat NO ONE has EVER paid me for support or such. Most times they know me enough not to offer it because they know it would be promptly turned down (right from my university student politics/activism days) -they understand that in my worldview, NO ONE CAN EVER PAY FOR MY SERVICE.

Why is this hard for certain people to wrap their minds around?

Clerverly: Eze ndi ara! Whoever made you a leader of ndigbo in this forum must be hiding in shame smh! You are really exhibiting traits of Omata kind of leader while at the same time working for your pocket. However you would very be shocked with the results of Anambra and Imo states after their respective guber elections! You people said more than these during the last senatorial election yet Ngige (onwa) dusted your azz and now you are at it eze mkpi.

Ezi ofia. It is nkapi like you that kill Igboland from within.
I am NOT YOUR Eze because YOU are nkapi.
The people I lead know me and I know them.

ndu_chucks: You, like many of your leaders in the East are politically immature and are quite swift in exhibiting tantrums which are unhelpful to your causes.

Like play like play, APC will win the Presidential election and capture a few states in your neighborhood, rendering your likes even more impotent and less powerful.

As long as APC is defeated in Anambra state (and hopefully Imo state in next guber polls) I do not care if they take heaven. An APC governor deported us from Lagos, and our APC brothers support that.
The rest is irrelevant.
If we are serious about surviving in Nigeria, we must ensure they never win our votes.
The only thing we have is our votes.

APC is crawling with all manner of "dogs and baboons" -paraphrasing their leader.

Abagworo: Why are you all about this ethnic issue? Most Imo people will support what is right and not based on tribal sentiments. APGA was founded by Chekwas Okorie and was never really a consensus party of Igbos but it would have been a key to unity if not for our normal selfishness and pride. For the sake of those who didn't know Late Odumegwu Ojukwu was a member of ANPP and joined APGA later.

And why are you always trying to cast politically enlightened umu Igbo as "tribalist" on issues you cannot wrap your mind around? Your inability to comprehend an issue does not give you the right to brand others what they are not.
If you cannot understand a topic, simply ask those enlightened enough to explain it, not trying to foist your shortsightedness and limitations on others.

Most Imo citizens that I have interacted with are even far more Igbo nationalists than some of us can ever be.
Believe me, this fashola deportation angers them far more than you seemingly comprehend.
And yes APC did it!

Abagworo: I hope you know that many Igbos are moving to APC. It is always good to do what is right and leave sentiments.

And I also hope you know that A LOT of Igbo are staying put in APGA. As a matter of fact A WHOLE LOT of Imo citizens will not move to APC with Okorocha. This is all thanks for fashola's fascism.

ndu_chucks: @onlytruth, one would have thought by now you would have become less tribalistic and more politically savvy.

Since when did Fashola's actions equate those of APC's? mumu

It equated it when TWO of our TOP APC members supported (one in speech, the other in quiet acquiescence) the action of illegal deportation of Ndigbo from Lagos. At that point, FASHOLA = APC =NGIGE =OKOROCHA

These Igbo APC members had ample opportunity to distance from that open illegality meted out against THEIR OWN PEOPLE; they chose party over people.

I thought you are smart enough to know that ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL.

So shaddapp dia osiso.

mekaboy: Lol, guy u r not well. The greatest qualities of any governor is integrity and passion, education will broaden the persons understanding of a situation, hence enabling him make informed decisions.

Banking as a CBN governor requires critical thinking. As a governor you are worried about state funds, as CBN governor you are worried about nations funds, which is far much more than state.


You also put information together to forecast, the return on investment. Applying that experience to state funds, it will be easier to know which areas to invest in to provide a fertile ground to grow the economy of a state.

You will also plan in detail for the accelerated growth of the states economy, and have a clear blue print for implementation.

There is also people management, which a GOV of CBN must have learned during his carrier. Do not forget that banks are target driven, applying this method to governing a state will yield more results. When every commissioner , chairman, counselor are given targets to meet at the end of each quarter. There will be a great level of responsibility,thereby speeding of development in every area.

I think the guy is debating with prejudice. You can't reason with a prejudiced mind.

The man that swore at Ogwugwu shrine (Dr Ngige) still kicked the thug he swore to pay, because he himself realized that Anambra deserve better. If that is not being civilized I wonder what is.

In this election, my choices were Soludo and Ngige; but Ngige did himself in by supporting Fashola's deportation of Ndigbo, so that sealed his fate for me. But even before that I believed that Soludo is the more qualified candidate.
Ngige only expedited his own political demise himself.

For now, if somehow Soludo fails to snap APGA ticket, it might even go to Obaze.
In Anambra it is either APGA or PDP.
APC will NEVER win Anambra state.

Clerverly: Hypocrite!

I said the truth.
TRUTH HURTS.

Dan Anyiam: Running central bank of Nigeria you said. When he was there has he ever lost a sleep because he is worried that there won't be sufficient money in the account to pay workers for a month that end in few days?
What was his biggest challenge as CBN governor? What does a CBN governor does day to day?

Are you serious with these questions?
So, you mean he was never worried about Nigeria's banking system collapsing on his head as CBN boss?
And when we forced banks to do the UNPRECEDENTED in Nigeria's monetary ( and even fiscal) history, he basically went to sleep totally unconcerned and somehow ABRACADABRA it all turned out successful and fine?
And when he still picked up the Naira redenomination (which Ghana implemented successfully BTW) he did not worry at all that it may fail?

Nna, like I said, those things you raised is what even folks like Ngige who had never managed a big concern was able to achieve in 3 years. You know why he did it? Because it is not that hard to do. As a matter of fact only thieves find it hard to deliver as governors. Soludo has talked the talk and walked the walk, right from being the Chief Economic Adviser to the FG under Obasanjo, to the CBN boss position.
Like I said, he knows the Nigerian economy and financial system like the back of his hands.

I hope you are not debating with prejudice.

There is nothing wrong with starting from scratch in politics. Must we follow our leaders to hell if they insist on going to hell? Before now, I was not sure whether APC was good or bad for Ndigbo, but ever since Dr Ngige sided with Fashola over illegal deportations of Ndigbo from Lagos, and with the deafening silence of Okorocha over the same issue, I became convinced that APC cannot defend Igbo interest. As a matter of fact, PDP might even be better in that department.
I do not hide that I prefer APGA to unite SE in one political family/destiny, but I was open to any ideas of any party doing us good, until Fashola of APC struck!
So I say ANYTHING BUT APC! Hoohaa!

Dan Anyiam: One thing you guys should have learned by now is that men like Soludo, despite their academic achievements are theory oriented men. People who had all their lives lived on earning huge salary based on already establish institutions.
The biggest investment ever being their personal life insurances. Governing is very simply like buying and selling. Knowing how much you earn or produce each month and how much goes out and how much you got left afterward.
Its not about good queen's English or your list of PHD or quango institutions like IMF or world bank you have worked for- governance is 90% use of common sense. I am not saying you shouldn't root for Soludo but look at similar governors with histories as typical salary and establishment men like Elechi in Ebonyi and door mat Orji in Abia. Or the big fish in Aso Rock, despite his PHD, he his clueless and can't string two words of grammar together.

So, you ran the Central Bank of Nigeria for 5 years, not Soludo?
Soludo did not achieve anything as CBN boss?

If you have reasonable comment to add, please do. Don't tell us that only thugs can win elections in Nigeria because that is a LIE. Peter Obi wasn't a thug when he won.
We are civilized in Anambra state; that is why even Ngige had to ditch the thug that brought him to power.

Bliss4Lyfe: IGBO-SON and Ikengawo, there is no doubt dat Onitsha should be the commercial capital of Nigeria. Onitsha is situated at a strategic location surrounded by oil producing states Anambra, Abia, Imo, Delta, Rivers, Cross River(Bakassi), Akwa Ibom, Edo,Bayelsa, Ondo to say the least. A nice motorway or high speed train(not light rail but solid train as in railway) for easy access from Cross River(Bakassi) and all the aforementioned states tells me businesses will flourish at Onitsha City. Enough of this Abuja and Lagos thieving of oil money to build non economically viable cities. Time to build a viable commercial city for the people of that region who at present have none.

Soludo plan is superb but the areas highlighted in my post are crucial. Anambra needs to encourage investment in Asaba, so rather than building an international airport, it did be wiser to request expansion of the Asaba International airport. Also rather than waiting for the federal gov to build the third niger bridge, a joint venture between Anambra and Delta would realise this ambition for a third Niger Bridge to facilitate access and reduce traffic, from onitsha to Asaba International Airport. The third Niger Bridge should carry rail tracks and steel framed in design.

On how to finance this project without putting the state in debt, Soludo should know as i don't want to give away a top secret of how on nairaland.

@Noblezone it should be Soludon 2014

Yes I believe he would know because he knows the Nigerian financial system like the back of his hands, heck he helped to design it! I also wouldn't want to speculate on the how, but I am available (as other Anambrarians) to help design the HOW. These things aren't as difficult as the Nigerian "ambient circumstance" makes it seem. I know for example that the economic development plan can only work if strongly chained or YOKED to infrastructural development (not white elephant projects o). I believe that Peter Obi tried to do just that, but he was very apprehensive of falling into that chasm between economic development and physical development -a Nigerian bottomless pit that traps most well intentioned leaders. He is a good man and did not want to burden the people and the state, only for thieves to deny him the goal. I have seen this happen several times in Nigerian states. It is even happening to the Nigerian nation.

Though I don't like Fashola for his innate bigotry, he has been able to navigate through that chasm (though Tinubu may be playing the tapeworm, Fashola is still achieving something and taking the state to a better place); but I believe it has been easier for him because Lagos has been Nigeria's economic center for nearly a century. It will not be easy for any other governor in Nigeria, but still, a genius would also realize the huge potentials of Onitsha, Anambra state, Igboland, and Eastern Nigeria as well. It all depends on how that genius plays his cards which have limitless options and possibilities.

I believe that Soludo is that genius.

Let's go!

ACM10: ^^

What makes Ngige better than Dora Akunyili, Uche Ekwunife, Prof. Soludo and the rest? You guys are too arrogant. You think that you can coerce Anambra electorate into voting for Ngige? Ngige has met his dead end politically. Fashola's actions is not doing Ngige any good. His opponents are watching. Apart from Peter Obi, PDP clique will pounce on this opportunity to discredit him as APC/Yoruba stooge. Mimiko used this strategy with a measurable success. How do you think that the same strategy will fail in Igbo heartland? Fashola should reserve a portfolio for Ngige in his administration. He will soon join Joe Igbokwe and Akubueze.

lol

proO1: These clowns are fond of being clever by half. . .making a lot of noise without addressing the MAIN issues:

1. Were the victims sent back (in the name of re-integration) with their unforced consent, or were they deported against their will and/or under duress?

2. Is it constitutional and legal to forcefully repatriate Nigerian citizens from one part of the country to another, under any circumstances whatsoever other than the individual's own volitive request (due to their inability to travel on their own, because of financial difficulties perhaps)?

These are the ONLY important issues. It is inconsequential whether there are precedents or not. Precedents are only admissible in law, not in illegality. There are several 'precedents' for genocide in contemporary human history: Is that sufficient justification for genocide? Does it make any difference whether Fashola 'notified' Obi in advance? If I notify you that I will commit murder, will that 'gesture' de-criminalise my action when perpetrated?

The fact that some people tolerate bullshyte does not make it right. Others may refuse to accept such bullshyte, and you can't accuse them of not abiding by convention. Convention is a poor substitute for common sense and decency, and an even poorer substitute for constitutionality.

Once in a while one reads from a truly sound mind here on nairaland. It is perhaps because of folks like this that I still stick around here, not the loud unscrupulous dimwits pervading this site.
Thanks dude!

Yes we meed a MASSIVE economic/development plan and implementation in Anambra state to keep SE and Ndigbo busy in Igboland. Draw us back and allow us to use some of our international connections and links.
I have continued to dream of a day that US companies will be in Eastern Nigeria, in sizable numbers.
Apple computers can have a plant there for example.
If the Chinese are interested, they are welcome too!