₦airaland Forum

Katsumoto:
But is that not at the core of the problems in Nigeria? We do not require our leaders to have any sort of political ideology (leftist, centrist, rightist, far right, far left). All we require is that the guy representing us is from our street, our town, our village, our state, or our tribe. This goes back to what I am advocating; a change of mind-set.

Why should some slowpoke just say, I will create 200,000 jobs', I will build more roads', i will bring electricity in 2 years', when they are unable to put forward any revenue generating ideas. If you ask 99.99999999% of politicians in Nigeria what political ideology they hold, they will stammer for like 5 minutes and say well ,

As long as politics is along sanctimonious lines, there will be no development even with the break-up of Nigeria or re-structuring into confederations.

The politics of 1950s and 60s were largely ideological in some forms. The NCNC was a national party (trying to create a united Nigeria). The NPC was a sectional party, openly promoting and defending the interest of the North. The AG was a sectional party masquerading as a national party, but was only defending the interest of the West.
All that became more prominent after the carpet crossing incident. The pogrom and civil war further sealed our fate politically. Ever since, nothing is discussed at the center without sectional fault-lines.  

It is really a vicious cycle, but I believe that we must courageously face the truth whatever it takes!

SEFAGO:
This has actually reminded me of one of the main concerns I wanted to bring up.

Why is "politics" as discussed on Nairaland discussed along tribal lines or supposed important news. Why is the absence of political philosophy and ideology rarely discussed.

I understand that the average Nairalander is not adequately equipped in discussing some sort of political philosophy but no attempt has been made. I haven't seen someone open a thread about how to improve our political sysem (not along geo-political terms) or why is it that no damn party back home is known for any real ideas. U know like Republicans in America are known as racist, rich-people loving, and corporate America friendly party while the democrats have been seen as liberal, excessive spending and prone to let american get runover by terrorist party  . No one talks about this- if your government is not built on some sort of intellectualism it will burn. So whats really political about the politics section except a place for people to discuss recent events and insult our leaders

Haven't you seen an ideological topic on this section before? How many people posted there? Those die natural deaths here because they do not reflect the realities of our situation in Nigeria. So people simply ignore them.

SapeleGuy:
I think the states have made these arguments but the people who really need to make them are in the houses of reps and senate, that is where we can change laws. Bar one or two, the current crop of legislators are impotent and below par.

They are more like a gang of thieves determined to protect their loot (the peoples mandate). They would do anything to protect their loots!
That is why I get worried when an election is stolen in any part of the country. The elections impose people who constitute themselves into taskmasters overseeing our collective toil, and smiling to the bank after each work day.

Back to topic. I believe such imposition would be very difficult (if not impossible) if peoples choices are respected. I know for instance that APGA won most elective positions in the South East. APGA was rigged out because someone wanted to deny Ndigbo a political platform upon which to build their national agenda. You see, most things in Nigerian politics have tribal or sectional bases. There is an invisible line between politics and tribalism in Nigeria. Has been so since the "carpet crossing" incident.

So I still say that the sectional and tribal section of nairaland is redundant.

SEFAGO:
Hmm not really NL is a joke to me just like  becomrich. In real life I am a perfect gentleman who wants the best for everyone even my hausa brethren who are going to make my butt crack checked everytime I go into the airport. However, I would never have been pushed into being so rude if i did not find so many rude people.

I have frequented "oyibo" forums and I have never engaged in a fight with everyone. Coming to Nairaland was one of the biggest mistake of my life. I got the opportunity to meet the worst nigeria could offer and I joined them 100% .

No shaking and no regrets- I have on NL for a long time and this is just a phase.

I wish every Nigerian visits this site to learn about Nigeria. I used to wonder why things didn't work in Nigeria until I came here. Left to me, every Nigerian should visit this site. This site provided me with the education I needed to understand Nigeria very well. How can you regret that?

SEFAGO:
Back to topic- so as you guys noticed even Onitsha boys like mekusxx can carry civil conversations for more than 5 minutes. So what is the root  of all this anger on Nairaland? Agreed things might not work out but we could discuss everything without getting angry at each other.

Agreed, including secession which should not be moved to the tribalism and racism section. All options should be on this table of political section of nairaland. If I want to post a really racist or tribal point, I know where that section is.
Bottomline is that moderation should be at instances where no nexus exist between the politics of the country and the posted comment.

The anger shows the emotion which accompany the point. They are really inseparable. I wish someone will be furious at me, but give me 24 hours of electricity in Nigeria.

SEFAGO:
Nigeria is one of the most underdeveloped countries educationally. Check your facts. South Africa whips us hands down

Ha ol'boy you don come again.
If I throw in Nigerians abroad, the South Africans are no match. You may not believe it but it is true. Moreover, the whites in South Africa are only about 5 million. Compare that to Nigerians. We have almost that number of Nigerians with high level of education. And mind you that not all white South Africans are educated.
Do you really believe your post above? Shows me how much you know about Nigeria.

It is instructive that South Africa is powered by the skills of the White minority (about 10% of the population).
The problem with Nigeria is that the educated and resourceful Nigerians which are far more than in South Africa are muzzled and forced out of leadership and management of the country, and methinks that tribalism is the reason.
Nigeria is led  by a half-baked and mediocre section of the country and that is a fact.

RichyBlacK:
Yeah, but put the brakes on that your irritating smugness - makes you an easy target!

Welcome back Richyblack. You were missed.

SEFAGO:
Please tell me what resource the North has to offer?

Do you know the meaning of trickle-down economics. Example, Alhaji works in an oil company. He sends his daughter to a [b]school owned by an igbo woman who borrowed money from a nigerian bank to set up the school. This nigerian bank was able to borrow her money because of the corrupt individuals who save their money in Nigerian banks. She runs the school very well and requests her students to buy certain things. These things can only be acquired in yaba market. The majority of the people selling stuff in yaba market are igbo. This people make money from their sales. It is in no way linked to oil. The igbo woman sets up other businesses in iboland. [/b]These businesses flourish. The customers are people who can afford luxury goods because of industries indirectly linked to oil. No supposed connection to oil. Everything in Nigeria is about oil. Infact the laptop I am using now wouldnt have been purchased if not for oil money- chikena?

All the way to Unilever, Nigerian Breweries e,t.c they all depend in some way from the oil money in Nigeria.

If Alhaji does not hire a houseboy, where will the houseboy get money to buyfanta and biscuit?

The Igbo do the same even outside Nigeria. It is called enterprise. So how can you call that dependence on oil?
Dude honestly I get headaches following your twist and turns in logic which contradict themselves and at the end confuse even yourself.
I follow the ball though. I refuse to be confused by tricksters.  Try another strategy.

Quote from Afam

You cannot talk about Nigeria without tribes because Nigeria has many different tribes and religions. However, this does not mean that everything should be seen from a tribal or religious prism.

The problems we have on this forum are

1. Intolerance
2. Ignorance
3. Inability to admit mistakes

Unfortunately, there is very little the forum owner or moderator can do because these problems are usually inherent in human beings.

We must respect ourselves, respect others even when we disagree with them.

Once we have mutual respect then we can discuss, debate or disagree with one another without any bad blood.

Unfortunately those are the same problems our leaders have. I remember a particular constitutional conference (I think it was in 1995) when Alhaji Umaru Dikko physically attacked Dr Alex Ekwueme because he advocated the current six geopolitcal structure and true federalism. Ojukwu intervened on Ekwueme's side. That is Nigeria for real!
In this forum, no one is physically attacking anyone. We need to know how Nigerians really feel about one another so that we can avoid a repeat of the past.

No religion should be insulted, no tribe or ethnic group should be insulted and more importantly we must learn to respect facts, common sense and logic.

Let it be known that those who easily resort to insults in debates are usually those who easily or quickly run out of ideas and in a way to cover up they resort to insults or turn violent so as to divert attention to other issues. People like these are usually petty, have small brains and are bullies in real life. What they cannot achieve with basic thinking they tend to make up with physical strength or insults.

I never advocated or supported insults and hardly do so myself except in self defense on few occasions. Nevertheless, the insults allow me to see inside the emotions of a fellow Nigerian. Someone schemed to wipe out my people in the past and I want to be sure such people no longer exist in Nigeria. This forum brings such information forward.

texazzpete:
So the best way to have a 'united country' is to egg on those spreading the message of disunity, abi?

We're not solving ANY problems. In fact, we are supporting the existing ones and happily creating new ones.

Nigeria is sitting on a keg; has been for sometime now (since 1970). Thank God we are in an internet age now, and there are many forums like this one. People don't have to post here. I post here because -apart from supporting Seun's business- I believe that if there is a war today in Nigeria (which is not impossible) the international community would be in a better position to assist. They won't have to rely on the lies of a few (like they did before). They would have a real "national archive" of Nigerian opinions upon which to base their interventions and actions to bring a final solution and peace.

This site has educated me far better about Nigeria than all other sources.
I do not want to believe that Seun is part of the corrupt elite hushing up Nigerians (unless I'm wrong). Any day I feel hushed up here, I would stop posting. Simple.  Moderator interventions should be by ways of superlative discretion (carefully considered). Every moved post or deleted post is a Nigerian hushed. Let us converse freely to enable us understand ourselves more. That understanding is critical to nation building.

Look, my take on this is that a forum is supposed to address a particular aim. What is the aim of the politics section of nairaland? Is it to romanticize Nigeria? Or is it to dig deep to bring out enough facts to address issues that elites are not courageous enough to address in Nigeria? Does anyone remember how many times we've tried to organize a sovereign national conference in Nigeria, and how many times they all failed? 

Whether we like it or not, the biggest POLITICAL problems we've had in Nigeria right from independence till date are TRIBAL and SECTIONAL. If I were the owner of this site I would combine all three into one real issue solving section where moderation is by way of very little intervention.
It is easy to pretend and sing kumbaya that we have a nation, but that is not true.

I personally believe that every Nigerian contributing to this forum is demonstrating a kind of patronage and support for Seun's business. I don't have to post here at all. I do so because I believe it is my way of supporting a Nigerian in his business, and if in the process we solve those problems the "elites" in Nigeria are too corrupt to solve, great! The international community can also read up enough from here to understand Nigeria more to enable them assist us in the change we need.

So, moderators bear these points in mind. Nigeria is a tribal country. We don't have a united country yet. All attempts to hush people here is tantamount to the same hushing and shout downs which greeted all attempts at conducting national conferences to create a nation in Nigeria in the past.

Katsumoto:
I like the idea of confederation; I think it is what we should have had from the start. It would have made each region self-sufficient. Regional leaders would have had to develop their regions from resources in their regions.

I have said before and I will say it again; the problem is not with the system(s), the problem is with the people. Our 'leaders' are disingenous and do not have the love of the people that they are supposed to serve. Confederation will also lead to the eventual disintegration of Nigeria because once the regions become too powerful, they will pull out of the federation.

Why can Nigerians not identify the differences in the different cultures and draw sstrengthfrom it? Why can Nigeria not draw strength from the oil in the Niger-delta, the innovative genius of our Igbo brothers, the administrative resources of the Yoruba, and the agriculture of our northern brothers? The fact of the matter is that, with confederacy and/or secession, each region will be weaker.

Agreed, mistakes have been made in the past and by leaders who did not know any better. But what excuse does the current generation have with all the enlightenment around us? Please let us forget mistakes of the past; no one is innocent.  We require a change of mind-set.

Because our "northern brothers" want to be the administrator, agriculture chief, innovator and oilman, all at the same time! That has been the case since 1970.

Unfortunately, the leaders that have developed over the last few decades are the kind that are greedy and lack proper vision. They are products of the system; the system that encourages laziness because of oil. The system that will develop will lead to more infighting within the regions rather than at the centre. Think of present day Anambra; there are at least three powerful Caucuses in that state (Obi, Ngige, Soludo). That is just one state. Can you imagine the scenario that will develop when these guys have to compete with other leaders from other Igbo states? The same will happen in the West and in the North.

If we had only geopolitical zones as mini nations, most of those people will never make it to prominence. Have you forgotten the caliber and quality of people at the helm of Nigeria's regional affairs in the 1950s and 60s? Most of current senators and members of the house today would not even qualify for houses of assembly in those mini states.
So, let's leave it to the regions (mini nations) to sort out. Believe me, it would not be business as usual because there would be no more leprous hands of Abuja  choosing and imposing semi illiterates as our leaders.

I often marvel at how Nigerians reason sometimes. To say that Nigeria is not ripe for confederation ( or true federalism) is to say that the USSR was not ripe for disintegration in 1991 (after more than 70 years of existence).

Nigeria is already headed to 50 years and is egregiously dysfunctional. Do we want to endure 20 more years of pain before considering confederation? At this time in human development, I suspect we won't wait that long.
The British model is there for us to imitate. It would be the best for Nigeria -Six (more or less) mini nations in one big state.
Why do we have to fight over something so simple?  

wirinet:
Sorry for assuming that you are from the south east. But i am not totally convinced  that the south east will thrive very well in the event of a break up of Nigeria. First according to my own assumptions the only viable states in the south east as constituted in present day Nigeria is Anambra ( because of industrial and commercial centres) and probably Enugu (if its coal resources can be commercially harvested), all others states will crumble if the national cake stops coming from Abuja.

A major problem that will confront the south east in the event of a breakup is the fact that most of their best manpower is outside the zone, and i do not see them coming back if Nigeria breaks up.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat! Ol' boy do you know what you are talking about
What do you think keeps Igbo away from Igboland? Even as we speak, just allow a functional international airport in the south east and decentralize power to the extent that we can provide our own police and keep whatever money we generate; then, stand back and see what will happen. Do these and see where most Igbo will migrate to, including the ones abroad.
Ha, wirinet, I thought you had game. I'm shocked by that quote above.

The most crucial problem will be the absent of access to the sea. Except they can convince Rivers state to come with them, the south east will be a landlocked region. And you cannot thrive without a sea port.

I hope you realize that you are simplifying a very complex situation here with Rivers state and access to the sea. For starters Botswana (just to use an African example) is far more progressive and stable than Nigeria, assuming we lack that direct sea access.

If you doubt me check the budgets of all the states (financed from the national cake of course)and see how much of their expenditure is termed recurrent( money for maintaining the government)and how much is capital. Your will always see that recurrent always outstrip capital, and that does not include the money for the local governments.

Now look at the recurrent and see if the states can generate that amount without money from Abuja.

You can't really make out much from the budgets as developed. Some states simply decide to pretend that they cannot generate money internally in order to keep fleecing the system. I would take those budgets with huge pinch of salt.

In today's new world order Larger political units are favourable to small units, due to a smaller more efficient government and its ability to ensure social integration and harness the manpower of a greater number of people.

Not if the larger unit is intrinsically dysfunctional like Nigeria.All  dysfunctional systems like that in Europe: Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Soviet Union all  crumbled under the weight of their contradictions. They had to crumble first before the European Union could be gradually built up. I think that may be what Nigeria needs.

One of the greatest problems in Nigeria is our social fractionalization brought about by state and local government creation, which was initially designed to divide the Igbos, but have now ended up dividing all other tribes.

Most social crises in Nigeria has its roots in Local government creation.

Agreed.

wirinet:
Onlytruth, it seem you did not understand the reason i said the Nigerian Constitution cannot be changed, except dictatorially. Yes in theory it is changeable, but in reality it is virtually an impossibility.

Yes, I understood what you meant perfectly. We are saying the same thing though in different ways. I just decided to take a legal perspective instead of a legislative process perspective. All I'm saying is that if the constitution really cannot be amended (due to time in your own case, or legality in my own case) by this legislature (which I presume north westerners know fully well), why make extreme demands at this stage then? Believe me if the South Easterners were demanding Biafra or the right to secede, I doubt that CitizenY will be defending their rights to do so at this stage.
My concern is that the nation is gradually accepting internal colonization; because, while one region can make whatever demands it chooses irrespective of the sensibilities of others, others cannot reciprocate. What precludes others from making similar demands, except of course the threat of coercion?
History teaches us that coercion doesn't outlast equity. It gets to a time when the oppressed will say enough.

@citizenY

Most of what I would have said have been well covered by edoyad and Beaf.

My people say that an erstwhile snake bite victim always flees at the sight of a lizard's head. So, don't blame me if I remain unconvinced of your points that these Sharia demands from the northwest are mere political gambits.
Ok, even if that is the case, what about the population-based revenue allocation? Mind you, we are yet to have a credible census in Nigeria. The trajectory of that revenue sharing formula position is conflict, and I am not being alarmist about that.

My next point is that my "representatives" you keep referring to were never sent there by my people. PDP and Obasanjo simply imposed them. Do you see why I'm not buying this your argument that the "legislative process" would cure all the ills in the emerging constitution? Like wirinet pointed out, this constitution amendment is illegal. My people never sent anyone there to negotiate the constitution.

When a real constitutional amendment process starts, we shall know and ensure that no one is imposed as our representatives. What you have now is the north trying to amend the constitution its own way, which is why any responsible Nigerian should follow what is going on with a passionate interest. To do otherwise would be irresponsible.

Finally, if they are not really going to amend the constitution as wirinet pointed out, what is the aim of all these incendiary statements and demands from northwest. I don't see how making irreconcilable demands in these hearings nurture an atmosphere for peace or hope in the Nigerian federation.

@Igboboy

Thank you. Points well articulated.

Maple:
@Onlytruth,

As a Northerner, I believe it would be a total cliche' to drop some lines.  You seemed very reluctant to think outside the box as per this debate, despites Kobojunkie's incessant efforts to help.  All these saga is just a game of power play, and one has to see it as such if he/she wants to master it. The truth of the matter is, every regional, tribal, and religion entity is a participant in this game, but the Northern Muslims have won more than the other entities, WHY? because they've learned to play their cards very well, Simple.

How well have the Igbos played their cards, and what role did the Igbos played and are still playing in maintaining the status quo, have you asked yourself those questions? The dominance of the North in our country's politics did not happened overnight, the opportunity was offered on a silver plate, aftermaths the incidence of 1966.  If that coup had succeeded,  there would never have been a balance of power either. South-Easterners would probably be dominating this game today.  Although, that 1966 incident remained a stain in the history of our country, its the best thing that had ever happened to the North. Thats the untold truth.

You kept saying that the north wants to impose sharia on the rest of  Nigerians, is that supposed to be a joke or what?  I'm sure you know thats not true, but its a very shameful and petty excuse used by people who just cant handle the truth and their shortcomings.   Northern leaders do not give a hoot about sharia, its implementation would not be to their advantage, if anything, most of them dislike it even more than you do. However, they came up with the sharia label, because thats all they need to fire up the unsuspecting masses.  You need to go to the so-called sharia states (I am from one by the way) to see for yourself. The sharia saga was just another political gimmick to rally the people and hold on to power, and guessed what, It worked.  Sentiments aside, you got to commend the ingenuity of the leaders from the North in this game, they sure do know how to play their cards very well.


There is no way to say it better than via Nkem Owoh's song called "I go chop your dollar". When you replace "419" in that song with "Nigerian power politics", you'll get the perfect picture.  Say what you may, the Yorubas are gaining ground in this game as well, hence they've had some victories too.  The game is still on, and  many Igbos have realized the futility of blaming the North for all their political problems.  Instead of wallowing in perpetual victimhood , they have learned to put themselves and their leaders in the box. Soon, it'll be a different ball game, but folks like you are not helping the Igbo cause.


Our so-called leaders know too well  that the average Nigerian is a mugu, they just throw some ethnic/religious tension out there whenever the chips are down, and the average Nigerian would loose all senses and be led to the gallows.  Irrespective of which part of the country you come from, your leaders do not give a hoot about you. You seem very bitter about the status quo. Despite the donkey years northerners have been ruling this country, what have we really achieved in terms of developments compared to the other regions? about 70% of Nigerians suffering from abject poverty are Northerners, we lack social amenities et al.  Who knows, south-easterners could  have suffered the same fate if their leaders had been in power. So my fellow Nigerian, channel your anger somewhere else, cos we are all pawns in this game of power struggle. No northerner would come into power without a South-Easterner and South-Westerner behind him, it just would never happen.  Ethnic/religion tension is a means to justify the end (their pockets).

Whao! A Northerner at last I thought y'all been avoiding Nairaland like a plague 

Anyway, on a serious note, it is refreshing to get an educated northern perspectives on these issues from a northerner. Not responses from sycophants and a.s.s[/b]lickers like [b]aasog
If you've followed my posts you will realize that I'm happy that Igbos are now playing the Nigerian game, the same one that makes you lionize your northern brothers, but believe me we will soon overtake you guys. Just don't complain then, cos it is an immoral "dog eat dog" game. You and I should not be proud of such game because it is the cause of all Nigerian problems, and as you pointed out, it all began in 1966! I'd say it actually took off for real in 1970 (after the war).
I am a believer that the Igbo problem (low political profile ) in Nigeria is a direct product of our attempts to be patriotic (from Zik to Nnamani). If we have been Machiavellian, I have no doubt that we will be ruling Nigeria today. But, hold your horses, we have learned a lot. Before, we would be talking about some "justice, fairness, due process" bull.poo. But today, we only want more states. Period. I'd say give us a little more time and you will see my point. Those waiting for us to declare Biafra suffer from the same things they accuse us of.

Beaf:
@SapeleGuy and @Deep Sight

Una dey worry wit kobojunkie?
kobojunkie is at best, an arrogant [b]white person who doesn't know jack, but is married to a Nigerian (hence presence on NL).[/b]

Bro Beaf you sure so I've been arguing with the guy in another thread?
On a serious note are you sure or is it a joke, really?

Kobojunkie:
WRONG!!!   Don’t be deceived into thinking you are debating with UNEDUCATED fools. You only need to open your history books to know what you have above is foolishly wrong.   


Your bias prevents you from seeing the flaw in your reasoning, and I hope you have your mind OPENED to your true reality soon.    I really expected you to try to answer questions not continue the same old rant, pretending you are on to something new. Democracy almost demands that reps from regions continue to fight for the will of the people they rep no matter what.  What I don't understand is how people expect SO MUCH for next to NO EFFORT on their part in all this. Have you ever inquired from your reps on why they are not themselves representing you well? Have you bothered changing them so you can install better representatives? Is INEC now being run by "the other side"? Or are you just too blind to see that  this is a Nigeria-wide problem, and not about the North?

If I keep thinking about my personal reality (which is by no means meager!), what about my children and their future? I know you think like our rulers (selfish and narcissistic). I'm not like that. I think about my future generations. Do you think the best way to defend their interest is to be aloof to the reality of Nigeria -a permanently dysfunctional state? Do you believe the best way is to forget our history? Who has ruled Nigeria for 49 years? What have they done with the power? Why don't I have even a credible census or election? I know you'd go "all Nigerian elites are bla blah!" History is there though. It reminds us of what role each region and tribe played to put us where we are today. To abandon that history is to play into the hands of revisionists like you.

Kobojunkie:
Simple is stating the fact that this is all about power and the people, who should be in control allow themselves be used as PAWNS to continue enriching and empowering the imbeciles we tag leaders in each region and nationally.


Continue feeding yourself these many conspiracy theories. Only note that the longer you allow your mind continue to play these tricks on you, the longer you postpone the future of your own family and kids.

I know you enjoy being the irresponsible contrarian and iconoclast in these debates, always trying to talk about Nigeria as if we even have the most basic state of sanity. Your theories only work in places with electricity. We don't have that!
I just want you to take your own advice and apply it to your children and their future (unless of course you are a Northerner, in which case I would understand). You may not see it but I'm fighting for the future of my children and generations unborn. That is what fires me up whenever I'm posting here.
Back to the core issue. We have a country that:

-Cannot conduct a credible census because one region is scheming to continue ripping off others
-Cannot conduct a free and fair election (for the same reasons above)
-Have an absentee (invalid) President when there are millions of able and more capable alternatives
-One region is hell bent on imposing Sharia on the rest of us by hook or crook
-Wants to continue robbing Peter to pay Paul and then make Paul's environment too hostile for Peter.

I can go on but the above points are enough for now.
So I advise readers to read Kobojunkie's posts with a huge pinch of salt!

wirinet:
I think the Hausa elites want to have their cake, share it and also eat it.

They want to share other peoples natural resources on the basis of dubiouss populations figures and disproportionate state structure, then they want want to use this fund to fund religious structures hostile to others, especially the owners of this oil and then drive the remaining outsiders away by instigating religious crises from time to time.

Thanks bro! These deceivers have their agents here trying to lie to us and change the subject.
We must focus on the core issue and resist these attempts to revise the history and true intents of our internal colonizers.

^^^

Blah blah blah!

As far as I know, the North is serious about Sharia being superior to the Nigerian constitution. They have rigged elections for it (imposed Obasanjo their ally in 1999), they have killed for it, they have imposed it in northern states, all they need now is a constitutional amendment to impose it on the rest of us. So, they are serious!

They also want to share oil proceeds on the basis of dubious population figures which they have cooked up through the years. Therefore, I know that they are only headed for a conflict with the owners of the oil. I also know that Igboman is about 95% Christian and 5% other religions and will NEVER accept that the Sharia be superior to the Nigerian constitution. At least not if we must remain in Nigeria.

Someone took offense at your continuously referring to Igbo as Ibo and Igboland as Iboland. I won't go down that lane. Afterall Muhammad is the same as Mamodu, Ahmadu, Muhammadu, Ahmed, Mohammed etc 

Back to the topic. Believe me it is folks like you that always try to complicate simple things concerning Nigeria. What the f.cuk are you yarning Some faceless goons are using us to gain power, WTF

Tomorrow you will tell me that the North is not really trying to foist Sharia on me, (stuff they've been trying to do since Uthman Dan Fodio), or that the north will agree to a 50% oil derivation, or that I am responsible for my votes being stolen in order to impose someone who will prove that "all Nigerians are the same", as governor of Anambra state. Who are these faceless goons you keep referring to?

Let me tell you, Nigeria is all about few simple things:
(1) Quest by the North to impose Sharia on all persons within the territory of Nigeria
(2) Quest by the North to continue plundering the oil resources of the Niger delta by peaceful means or by war
(3) The fear that the Igbo will secede from Nigeria

Everything else is mere diversionary tactic to divert us from the above listed core issues.

So keep trying to divert the issue. Tomorrow you will tell me that Igbo elites killed 50,000 Igbos in the worst african pogrom before the war, or killed 2 million Biafrans during the war and ensured the Igbo properties were confiscated after the war. Igbo elites gave every Igbo 20 pounds for whatever amount they had in banks before the war.

Keep trying, and good luck to you!

Kobojunkie:
I don’t share the idea of their being a POSSIBLE war. We are talking of good ol’ Nigerians, at the end of the day. All I see are groups, under different flags playing cards they can in order that they might gain more power and control in a disorganized system.

Yes, we have a constitution but to date, no single group has shown it even RECOGNIZES the validity of that document. We see how the president has ignored the constitution for yet another personal leave, and leaders at the federal level(made up of individuals from most all of the groups in the country) have essentially turned the other way so they can protect themselves and their access to power. So, please do not now come tell me of how wonderful your constitution is when even leaders from your own group have chosen to busy themselves with their individual quest for more fire while the rest of the country continues to burn and the 140 million clueless people who call themselves Nigerians watch in amazement with arms folded.

So, suddenly it is my fault (or my people's fault) for not trying to change the system as they tried to do in the 60s and paid with 2 million lives?
That is exactly what I call false accusation.  I have said it severally on this forum, and will continue saying it: I, as an Igboman reject all accusations with regards to Nigeria's backwardness. I and my people have actually done something (you can call it whatever you like), we did something while your people have largely gamed and gained from the system. If what you are expecting is for us to try something again so that you will go behind again to connive with the North, it ain't gonna happen! Let us play the Nigerian game -no conscience, no justice, no soul, no progress, no law, steal, steal and steal more!

When you get serious, we will know!

@Kobojunkie

Ol' boy I'm really shocked that you can't seem to find the nexus between Sharia being superior to the Nigerian constitution and a possible war. I'm really shocked!

Well, I can't do the thinking for you.

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You are nothing but a coward because you always wait for me to log out before posting your comments. You think I'm as jobless as you. I gat stuff to do men!

You still dodged the question I posed. These discussions are great because the international community will be kept well informed about Nigeria. Your type is only trying to hush me up. Never gonna happen!

How can the ruling geopolitical zone (which has ruled for decades) be demanding that the Sharia be superior to the Nigerian constitution? How reasonable and peaceful is that? How peaceful or fair is the demand to reduce oil producing areas allocations to 8%?
You cowardly avoided these issues.

Sharia is not being used in Eastern Nigeria, but when it becomes superior to the Nigerian constitution, even if you live inside the sea, as long as the territory is Nigerian, you will eventually be affected.

Honestly I've said before that I would rather that Ndigbo stay away from Nigeria's presidency and simply concentrate on Eastern affairs. This country is incongruous just like its defenders.

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I'm still waiting for your explanation to why a segment of the country wants to impose Sharia and inequitable resource allocation formula on Nigeria.
You are good with using words whose meaning you barely understand.
You tell the world that all is well with Nigeria, but all lovers of truth know that the country is headed to a real showdown either peacefully or violently.