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brokoto: I need to be clear on something. It is quite correct that with the AFM scientists were able to view the motion of electrons around the nucleus but let me ask? Before this breakthrough, was it not a given that electrons existed before even seeing them? That is the point when people bring up the electron argument. Their manifestations could be seen and that was proof enough. If you wait till science discovers God through looking through a microscope or telescope, that time might never come. The evidence is all around us. When you look at the complexity in even the tiniest microorganism, that should tell you that it was designed. Now, we might not know why it was designed or how but it doesn't take away the fact that it was designed. Do you know the probability of a scattered library arranging itself?

By the way, your second link refused to open. Its showing an error message. Pls check it out.

lovingsoul: There comes a time in the journey and race of life when you just need to surrender, surrendering doesn’t mean giving up or backing out, it is just a step of faith and letting the supernatural take over from you the natural…As a man or woman you have tried all your best and flex the very last fiber of your muscle to achieve , possess, control and attain a particular goal, dream, desire, passion or vision, but it seems that the more you strive the farther these dreams and desires are driven away from you….

This is not because you are jinxed or cursed, it is far from it, if only you can loosen your grip a little bit, keep the faith, and leave the remaining part to the supernatural, leave the rest to fate and destiny…. Have you ever thought of it maybe it is that crazy desperation and selfish desires to see all your dreams and aspiration come true at one goal, maybe that is what has been suffocating the dream and pushing away that heavenly hand , which was meant to breathe life and reality into your long effort and work…

The concept here is very simple but complex if not properly understood.. Knowing when to surrender could be the thin line between an obscure dream and a real dream, when looked at from a superficial eyes, surrendering means giving up, but little do you know, that from the inner world or view it means delaying your gratification, let things happen naturally, life moves at its own pace, but with a little fate you can make life move your way….

Start listening to that inner voice, when it whispers to your soul to surrender just do that.. By surrendering you are acknowledging that there is a greater and better power, a power that starts from where your mortal power ends… So never make the mistake of falling into the pit of a blind and obsessed desire, which could kill or cut short that helping hand waiting for you to surrender all to it… Try it and see what am talking about..,. It sounds like a paradox but it is true, that the more you push the less it moves… Surrender it all and see the result

brokoto: thank you for that. I couldn't have said it any better. Ooman makes weak premises and draws outrageous conclusions from them. Pls ooman show me the journal.

brokoto: can you explain your statement that quantum physics is the answer? And who viewed the electron? With what did they use?

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wirinet: Let me add my 2 kobo to this natural/
unnatural debate.
I believe natural means occurring in nature
without human intervention or
manipulation. For example sand is s natural
compound but glass is an unnatural
compound as glass cannot be formed by
nature. Same way we have 92 naturally
occuring elements in the universe but man
has been able to create about 10 more
which cannot be found in nature.
Now as per homosexualism, since some
humans and some animals too are born
naturally as homosexuals without any
artificial human manipulations, then
homosexualism cannot be said to be
unnatural in nature. Uncommon yes, but
unnatural no.
Rãpe cannot be said to be in the same
category because it had not been proven
that rãpists were born rãpists. They are
most likely that way due to psychological or
mental disorders or even acquired
behavior. And besides rãpists have a
destructive effect on natural human
societies not to talk of the victims involved.
Aslo it would be dificult classifying human
behavior or even animal behavior as
natural/unnatural because animal
behaviour is highly unpredictable and is
dependent on a lot of other factors and
interaction of factors like instinct, sociology,
physiology, emotions, intelligence, etc. This
is why morality is said to be fluid between
societies separated by space and time. In
certain societies it is natural to sacrifice
babies, in others societies or even the
same society at another time it would be
viewed as unnatural. Same for death
penalty for murderers, to some societies
any form of death sentence is unnatural.
Even such mandane issues of women voting
can be unnatural in some societies.

brokoto: lol. Is that your explanation for homo? Population control? Do you know that some people are born with violent tendencies? Does it excuse them From punishment if they commit murder? You need to understand homos from a more wholistic perspective. There's a thread about it somewhere but I can't find it again. Dunno how to search for topics here sha.

About that specie, I've googled it and found that its just a specie of rodents with double its number of chromosomes. I saw no indication of recent evolution of that rodent. Can you show me the link where you saw that it was a recently evolved specie?

Deep Sight: You see, this is why it is said that a little learning is a terrible thing indeed. This is one of the foolish posts I have ever read on this forum. Kindly go back and read again about the experiment you referred me to.

It does not in anyway prove or show the origin of life. It shows the formation of amino acids, proteins, organic compounds. All that is within the realm of lifeless chemistry. None of these is a single living thing.

"A whip for the horse, a halter for the donkey, and a rod for the back of the fool" - Proverbs 26:3.

ifeness: Light does not age and therefore does not decay. If you could travel at light speed you would not age even a fraction of a second. So you would cross the entire universe in an instant based on your reckoning. The rest of the universe would continue to age, so 13 billion years would pass for the rest of the universe while no time passed for you.( you can check the law of relativity)

The purpose of time is to let us experience this reality. A self impossed illusion or the creation of holographic pictures we all see which we all created in our minds. People who belive in islam for example created that for themselve,which is why christian do not believe in it because that is not what they created with theirs.

In other worlds out there,there is no time. Beings there could travell to the past and future at will. We live in a paralel universe. I believe the so called gods people worship were time travellers. As a mater of fact,time travelling is recored in the bible( example Abimelech who was asked to go get some fruits in the vineyard,only to come back to realise several years had passed ,which was only a few minutes to him)

People who time travel can see the possiple future,change realities and even go back in time.

There is so much to learn about ouselves . The same you of today is different to the you of yesterday. Your present vibration or energy field could determine your next action....all trilliions of possibilities at ones.

brokoto: is the theory of evolution a scientific fact? Why are you grasping at straws? Even the evolution you lean is by definition against homosexuality because homo does not favour the propagation of species, likewise abortion.
You say science has never agreed with God? Give instances...

ifeness: We live in a parallel universe,Trillions of realities at the same time. We all are co creators who created this present world

Religion limits our abilities,creates the fear of the unknown ,which is why religious people fears what happens when they die. The truth is : we do not die but for we all are energy. We cannot be created or destroyed. We all are dreamers dreaming right now.

If we can stop limiting ourselves,we can travel faster than the speed of light: therefore time travelled into the future. Time slows down rapidly when you don't live in time(i can explain better if anyone cares to know)

There is no god anywhere, the idea is an act of brainwash. You are the Gods! You all need to put yourselves back to where you belong.

brokoto: so what is knowledge if not trying to know what we previously don't know? And how is that opposite of belief in God? Do you mean to say that those who believe in god have no knowledge or are bereft of reason? Do you say that because you know how a house is built therefore the house has no builder? Science, my friend is knowledge because it questions, probes and tries to fathom the many mysteries around us. It is not opposite of belief in God. Don't lean on science and imply that science is atheism.

You say it has been proved? Can you show me sources, links and quotes to butress your point?

brokoto: lol. You are funny. Can you prove that God does not exist QED? And you said science does not seek to understand creation because creation is senseless, really? So what is science my friend?

brokoto: so going by your last sentence, is it correct to say that you are senseless and there's nothing to understand about you? Why create this thread with such a caption then?

brokoto: don't be naïve my guy. Science does not seek to explain away god. Pure science seeks to understand our surroundings and how the things we see around us are made and how they function. Science is still playing catch up to nature at all levels. The development of most high tech equipments were made by studying their natural equivalents, birds and planes, helicopters and hummingbirds etc... Science is not the opposite of God. It only seeks to understand creation. Don't make me laugh.

brokoto: And why do you think its a case of science vs God?

wirinet: Mr David, this is the reason i quarrel with you regarding yourself as a scientist, you reason more like a theologian.

As a scientist, you should know that modeling a phenomenon in the lab is good enough to understand what happens in nature. So modelling a fusion reaction in a bottle can be extrapolated to understand how the sun works. This is in response to believers who claim the way the sun works is a mystery.

How long do you expect the "sun" created in the lab to flash for? Even if the whole mass of the earth were to be used for fusion reaction, it would flash for only about 30,000 years, given that the sun is about 330,000 more massive than the earth and is expected to flash for about 10billion years. So you should not expect a few kilogram of hydrogen fusion experiment in a lab to last for more than a few Nano seconds.

if an experiment cannot be repeated in the lab, you would disparate science as faith based belief(eg. Evolution), and if an experiment is proovable in a lab, you would still complain that the experiment was not performed at the same scale and exact conditions as that found in nature, so your faith based convictions is therefore automatically valid.

Na wa o. And you still claim to be a scientist that perform lab experiments.

Mistade Regal: I see how well the devil is really using you or maybe you lack knowledge or rather deprived of it! See you cannot bring church of satan to this site so you had better delete everything about this topic! Nothing can destroy the existence of the MOST HIGH GOD but yours can! Can you fight the INVISIBLE, INVINCIBLE IMMORTAL and claim victory? Look here man do not try HE THAT DARKENS COUNSELS WITH WORDS WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE!!!! have a rethink before time runs out.

potentpraise: If you say Space and Energy can not be created, then you do not understand some basic principles of the universe creation.
The above is not TRUE and it could have not been evident that your assumption that God created nothing is far from being true. God created Many things and God could never had been a myth, but if you say religion is fraud, and you mean the act of worshiping God is religion, then religion that does not reflect worshiping the almighty God is a fraud, but the religion that worship the almighty God is not and i repeat its NOT a fraud.


Remember that there is man creations and there is God creation.. Man might have failed in his endeavor to create space and energy, but God did not and that is one of the vintage omniscience of God. Let there be light... God created light the first day.. light is a source of energy .. The fourth day God created the Sun, moon and stars to generate light and heat for the day... light to see and heat for the plantation Genesis 1:1-6 and 14-19

He created space by separating the water that occupies the earth into one side. First from the sky and second from the ground to give way for ground and park the water to a concentrated place called sea today" Genesis 1:7-13

brokoto: well, I didn't say the earth was perfect for life but that it sustains life. With probability, scientists are able to calculate that there has to be other planets that have just the right conditions like earth to sustain life but its yet to be seen or proven.
Yes, older scientists got some things right but it only goes to prove my point. Science is evolving and what we think is correct today might be wrong tomorrow but one thing is certain, science has not proven the non-existence of God and atheists are twisting facts to support their claim. You don't need to see God to know he exists. We can't see air, electrons, protons or even atoms but through their actions we know they exist.

I'm not a Christian by the way. I just believe that there's a God. There's more circumstantial evidence for his existence than not.

I think you should answer your last question. Evolutionists make the claim.

Goshen360: ^
You berrer take your tongue back inside before flies gum am

alexleo: I cannot in this life agree with atheists. I will Never seek to unite with any of them except if it is the one that repents and come to Jesus. We are two parallel lines that can never meet as long as they are atheists. OP if you want to unite with them thats your business.
This post is irrelevant. Uniting with atheists has nothing to add in my account so i couldnt be bothered.
I have said it that the very day atheists starts agreeing with me, one of this two things might have happened- Its either i ve derailed in my faith in God( God forbid) or they have repented and bowed down to God.