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Goshen360: ^
Because I've been tracking you online! You want to argue it?

YES YES YES YES

about science and nature -NEVER will I agree with xtians(muslims are out of question)

about building africa -MAYBE (but not always, its for africa and when that is done, bye to xtians)

Goshen360: ^
You know that's a lie right?

and how could that possibly be a lie?

Goshen360: How many I.Ds do you have?

just one

it is now know that SPACE and ENERGY cannot be CREATED or DESTROYED. these are the two fundamental reality in which everything else exist and are made up.

If the above are TRUE, which they are, the question is : WHAT THEN DID GOD CREATE IN THE BEGINNING.

the evident answer is NOTHING, CREATION WAS A LIE, GOD IS A MYTH AND RELIGION IS A FRAUD

Neddivine: ooman is a hard core satanist and an extreme unrepentant hater of God.He has on several times posted extreme abuses against God that satan himself can never dare because satan is fully aware of the limits God has set.ooman has gone far beyond these limits and what remains is fiery judgment were there is no repentance.

well thank you for your observation. Though I am not a satanist(not that being a satanist is wrong or bad but I don't believe in the devil), I think the devil is a million times hollier than god. for example, the devil is not guilty of multiple genocide, murder of women and children and r.ap.e of mary, God is.

secondly, I am not afraid of your god, I think someone need to bring him to judgment for all his evils. with the devil behind me, I will bring your God to justice and condemn him to eternal damnation.

mobuch: @ooman

This is the silliest post I have ever read in my life, please don't confuse gullible readers with this your catankerous utterances.

this is the dumbest post in human history. you got your 'catankerous' wrong its cantankerous and AGAIN THE DEVIL IS NOT THE ENEMY, GOD IS. PLS PEOPLE, RUN AWAY FROM GOD AND FIND SHELTER IN THE DEVIL.

honey001: I just pray all this people parading themselves as atheist return to God their Creator before it's too late. To all Christians here on this forum, do not stop praying for their conversion because nothing is too difficult for God.

pls dont waste your time, even your god knows I am a no go area. what relationship does myth and reality have. ur god is myth, I am real.

the problem has been concluded. it is religion in all forms. it must be eradicated, the religious are bound in slavery of religion, they must be freed.

hey, let me use this opportunity to tell you that the devil, lucifer is a great guy, he is never your enemy, he loves you and wants you to be knowledgable.

the devil was betrayed by the early xtians and muslims, they painted him evil even though he was not evil.

lastly, the guy called devil does not exist. so we can forget about him all together.

[quote author=Donalð Genes]Without sounding uncluttered...I want to say something simple and I'm gonna lace in the form of simple direct question
1.Where do you think the Oxygen that you breathing likewise everybody comes from? From who?
2.Why do you satan is running around doing nothing but to decieve people.He Knows his time is short and reason God is letting him run around to and fro the earth is simple.his destruction is up.when God created us he gave us the free will to enjoy the good things he created and satan thought ohhh I want to be like God simply b'cos he was given the ample opportunity to worship God and that was his greatest doing.
3.Our God is everything you see around you including satan,all the angels are His,satan was stupid to think he wants to be like God,lemme ask you,can you be like your father,albeit,as he revolt and disobey God,God in His wiseness thought it wise to destroy him in His appointed time and that's why he is roaming the street,it doesn't take God one second to make him useless,Remember God is ever merciful,He gives us a chance to come back to Him and Worship Him and Him alone,
4.Apparently when you said it proudly you don't believe in God,then who then will you believe,Where do you eyes,the mouth,the legs and everything inherent in you,Do you think its just by chance,the food,the vegetables,the herbs in the field,the water you drink,you wake up everyday hearing people died and you still alive,Do you think you are better than those who died,have you come to think if people died where do they go? The truth is simple,God loves you and That's the reason You still alive not minding what you called Him,He is still your God,Surrender your life to christ,It is not hard,its like ABC in nursery school,God doesn't need anything from you,Its just your heart He needs,that's all,[/quote]just like macdaddy illustrated, u really disappointed me with those questions, even a ss2 chemistry student knows about oxygen

concerning satan, that is god's problem not mine.

my question for you is: have u seen devil? if no, how then do you know he's running. you need to start thinking for yourself and forget the bible.

concerning your other questions, what I will advice you is to enroll to a school, its never too late.

Emusan: They (scientist) say the surface temperature of the sun is almost 4000 degree centigrade while its inner temperature is over 1million degree centigrade. Tell me what else on earth can withstand that hug amount of temperature. Yet they said some elements are present inside the sun. Then answer the, why did you believe in electron you have never seen?

Actually, the surface temperature of the sun is 15,000 degrees centigrade as accurately measured. The core temperature runs into millions of degrees, just google chromosphere, it will enlighten you about the sun u see daily.

your other question shows your ignorance about science. have u not heard that scientists in california recreated the sun in an underground lab some years back, that should tell u that there is nothing so special about the sun.

concerning seeing the electron, every pixels of pictures that you see in tube tv is carried by an electron in motion, the motion caused by electricity, which is why you don't see anything when there is no power. so as long as you have watched tubed tv before, congratulations, you have seen electrons.

brokoto: no it does not prove that god is not or was never involved. It does not even explain why out of the billions of planets, its the earth that has just the right conditions to sustain life. It only shows that there are some things we are only just getting to know about our universe. Do you know what the old scientists thought matter was made of? Or the old definition of an atom?
The problem with scientists, both atheists and theists alike is the fact that its difficult to get objectivity in matters relating to god. Atheists already believe there's no god so all new facts are seen with atheists coloured lenses. Likewise theist scientists.
Don't you think that the spontaneous reactions can be explained any other way? What if God set everything in motion from the beginning and these so called spontaneous reactions were only manifestations of what has been set in motion eons ago?
So, like I said THAT is NOT a proof for the absence of God.

well, the earth is not the only planet in the universe that can support life. have you heard of goldielock-google it, its a planet which POSSIBLY contains life, Though it HASNT been confirmed because we can do space travel yet. The earth does not contain PERFECT condition for life, the earth can only sustain life, it is not perfect for it. you can confirm this with the knowledge that earthquake, tsunami, cyclones, cosmic rays kill us. If a god made the earth, then it should be perfect for life, because genesis says"god looked at all he has made and they were good", except if earthquake looks good to him, if not, then there should be no natural disaster except if it is part of god's plan, since everything is part of gods plan now,that is the current excuse for god's insouciance.

in science,it doesnt matter what people think, what matters is what the evidence supports. the current conviction in science is what evidence proves so forget the old scientists but in doing that, dont forget they got many things right like gravity, boyles law etc

if you think that god set things in motion and then left, then yo
u are a deist not a christian.

I also want you to think about something:IF NATURE CAN SELF COORDINATE, WHY CANT IT SELF ORIGINATE FROM ENERGY WHICH CANNOT BE CREATED OR DESTROYED?

Winningways: is there magic?

Nah, magics are manipulations, no spiritual implications

after major researches, I am certain that everything written here are lies from the pit of hell

godman01: Whether you want it so or not, God Exist!

seriously, do you. guys feel comfortable saying this?

what if I told you this: WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, GOD DOES NOT EXIST.

a statement cannot prove itself, it needs to be backed up.

brokoto: let's leave who the man is first.
You do realise that the answer you gave was not what the question was about right? Its not about whether they both produce light. Its the fact that the sun is already self luminous that you don't need additional light to see it.
Can you disprove the points he made as quoted by that post up there?

why are u making a case out of nothing. I told you already that his points are useless.

read this: everyday there is a SPONTANEOUS production of new matter(helium) in stars (aka sun), there is also release of energy by explosions like the kind that produced the universe which produce light and heat. These reactions are uncontrolled and they occur everyday. in the sun, we see big b.ang occur daily and there is no god involved. this proves that god was never involved in the universe from the beginning.

AFTER READING YOUR POSTS, ALL I COULD INFER IS HATRED AND RELIGISM(google it)

brokoto: address his points, not his person. If I may ask, are you a biologist? Are you important to science?

von braun was just a man with a position gotten by politics, scientists ignored him because the points he raised where too lowly to be debated.

I cant even believe am saying something about him.

concerning his points, YES I CAN CATCH A GLIMPSE OF WHAT THE SUN IS BY LIGHTING A CANDLE BECAUSE THEY BOTH PRODUCE LIGHT LUMINOUSLY.

Emusan: I don't need to argue with you. I just have a single prayer for you, the miracle that will make you believe that God do exist will happen in your life. IJN

von braun was a total jerk with no knowledge about what he condemned. he got the position of nasa by politics. many scientists always try to avoid him but here u are quoting him, that only tells me you know nothing about the man.

concerning praying for me, dont waste your time, I HATE YOUR GOD EVEN IF HE EXIST AND AM NOT AFRAID OF HELL. IF HE LOCKS ME IN HELL, I WILL ESCAPE BECAUSE I AM WISER THAN GOD.

SCIENCE IS A TRIUMPH OF MAN OVER GOD

Reyginus: ooman, lecture me on non-theism.

for all who've asked about nontheism: its essentially not caring whether a god exist or not. for more information, just google it.

quintessentially, its more related to atheism. so being a nontheist, I am also an atheist.

Emusan: Wernher Von Braun, the first director of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Centre, who's known "the father of the American space programme," stated in a published article in May, 1974: ' one cannot be exposed to the law and order of the universe without concluding that there must be a design and purpose behind it all... The better we understand the intricacies of the universe...the more reason we have found to marvel at the inherent design upon which is based... To be forced to believe only one conclusion--that everything in the universe happened by chance--would violate the very objectivity of science itself...... What random process could produce the brain of a man or the system of the human eyes?

They(evolutionists) challenge science to prove the existence of God. But must we really light a candle to see the sun?.. They say they can't visualise a designer. Well, can a physicist visualise an electron? What strange rationale makes some physicist accept the incoceivable electron as real, while refusing to accept the reality of a designer on the ground that they cannot conceive Him? If there's a book, then there must be a publisher; if there's a building, then there must be an architect and a builder; if there's a work of art, then there must be an artist. "lift your eyes and look to the heavens: who created all these?

hey, I know about von braun so dont feel important. he is not a biologist and he knew nothing about biology or evolution

he was just another christian scientist. he was not important to science.

striktlymi: Well ooman,

The word disbelief is another way of saying: "refusal to believe" and this frees one from the burden of proof.

dis·be·lief (dsb-lf)
n.
Refusal or reluctance to believe.

Ref: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/disbelief


Atheism

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

Note the broad use of the word Atheism and the narrow use.

Thank you!

I belief u understand that dictionary wordings are different. have u check oxford, webster, wordweb etc.

however, u are right in a sense. let me leave to the mercy of Christopher Hitchens:THAT WHICH CAN BE ASSERTED WITHOUT PROOF CAN BE DISREGARDED WITHOUT PROOF.

striktlymi: Well ooman that's a limited view of Atheism...which is in line with non-theism. The main version of Atheism is a refusal to believe in any deity. The latter frees them from the burden of proof but for those who say God does not exist then they like Theists are gagged by this burden to prove their assertion via the scientific process which you and I know does not exist. All we hear are opinions about the matter.

Now your analysis here bits the immagination:

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I refuse to agree that the main version of atheism is refusal to accept god. some people just dont care whether god exist or not. I think the word 'disbelief ' is more appropriate and this therefore brings necessity of proof.

[quote author=Joel.]What do you have to say.[/quote]I think he prophesied that before the traffic increased.

striktlymi: ooman,

That argument will only hold if Economics is not a science. Economics is both a science and a social science. It makes do of the scientific process to propound its theories and laws. The difference between Economics and the physical sciences is that Economics studies the economic behaviour of humans hence the lack of a controlled environment for its experiments while the pure sciences has the luxury of conducting controlled experiments.

Now, when we talk about countries that are developed, developing or underdeveloped we have measurable criteria not opinions. To suggest that this is subjective is making a mockery of the beautiful subject of Economics. By the generally accepted measures, Israel is a developed country. This is a fact that should not be argued. Whether you make use of the Human Development Index (HDI), the per capita income, the Gross National Product (GNP), the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) etc Israel is developed.

So for someone to come to say otherwise when the facts are there only shows that the individual is arguing from emotions. When I notice this, I retreat. I have stopped arguing with some Christians too because a lot of them argue with emotions. This is just the sad reality. To argue is an art! Accepting evidence does not mean that one has accepted Theism, Atheism, Agnosticism, non-theism and the other isms.

This is a fundamental problem I have noticed on nairaland and to be frank, that's why I prefer to put up pictures instead of arguing. There are some Atheists I like arguing with and top on the list is wiegraf. Yea, he can be vulgar if pushed but he basis his arguments on identifiable and measurable evidence. I like arguing with you too and probably logicboy but when I see that the arguments are turning left, I step back.

Thank you!

back at you. I will rest on this case.

striktlymi: Darwin is taking credit for it

Doesnt mean he started it all. Watson and Crick are taking credit for discovery of DNA structure, but they didnt do all the hard work, they only started their research when all the hard work has been done, BY A WOMEN, ROSALIND FRANKLIN who died of cancer before her work was complete.

striktlymi: Hmmm...interesting ooman!

Are you saying that Atheists don't even know what they preach?...Double wow! If Atheists don't understand what they are trying to practice, why then do you guys believe that those who understand what they do (Theists) would listen when you argue about what you know nothing about?

ONLY ONE THING IS NEEDED FOR YOU TO BE AN ATHEIST: [size=15pt]THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS NO GOD AND THAT YOU ARE FREE[/size]

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striktlymi: Do you believe in evolution?

Do you have to ask?

striktlymi: Well winn,

I do understand your sentiments but you should realize that science does not categorically state that human beings evolved from animals. This is a theory propounded by a scientist. Though the aim was to try and explain how human beings came about but science does not hold this as the truth. It is at best, a scientific theory. Theories are subject to change when better information are obtained backed with evidence.

The scientific process is evidence-based, and that is why the assertion maintained by Christians that God created man cannot be accepted by science. The first problem would be proving the existence of God. I do believe in God but belief alone does not suffice as proof. Similarly, there is no scientific evidence that God does not exist hence science is silent on this matter.

The best science can do is work with the evidence at hand. The evidence suggests evolution from one stage of human development to another. Note that Charles Darwin got some things right in his theory, though I don't completely agree with him. The evidence available suggests that the stages of human development can be represented by the members of the 'genus homo' of which homo habilis is the earliest . Evidence available suggests that the brain size of homo habilis is about the same size as that of a chimpanzee which might have lead some scientists to believe that we evolved from animals.

Anyways, the point I am trying to make is, science deals with the available evidence. If you have evidence of God's existence apart from faith and mere opinions then this would be subjected to the scientific process, if it is legit, then the theory of Darwin might be reviewed or discarded depending on the quality of evidence available.

Science is not the enemy. Science is a way we get to understand the many things God has created. It is like understanding the world we live in. This can be likened to a new born child. Before the child is born, all that is available was what was in the womb of the mother but after delivery, he starts to discover new things in a world he knew nothing about. This is what science does for us. It gives us a better understanding of the world God has given to us and how we can make good use of the world God has given. Remember that God asked us in Genesis, to subdue the earth. Science is a way of doing that.

Thank you!

Again, though we differ in our beliefs, i love your analysis here. at first, i thought you ve become an evolutionist, but then again, you advertised yourself to be a worshiper of God.

BUT WHAT I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT DARWIN DIDNT START THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION. IT BEGAN WHEN MAN STARTED TO THINK OUTSIDE RELIGION.

Heathen: Do theist really understand? Besides, most atheists are from religious backgrounds.

perfect answer