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ayobase: And you think that most pagans are neither Christians nor Muslims....

How many will publicly admit that he/she is a pagan?

I will admit publicly, which is what i am doing by the way, that i am an atheist.

chukkynwob: Problems for atheistic evolutionists

Good arguments against evolution

Evolutionists who reject God and miracles have some huge problems to explain.

Problem No. 1
How did the universe come about?



There is of course no scientific law or demonstrable process that would let something evolve from nothing. If there was nothing in the universe to begin with, obviously nothing could happen to cause anything to appear.

Atheistic evolutionists often try to duck this problem — which is impossible for them to answer satisfactorily — by saying that evolution is not concerned with the origin of life, only how life progressed after it appeared. But assuming the existence of an intricately working universe with some sort of life-forms already in it is not a minor assumption, and puts more faith in an unknown, counter-intuitive process than Christians put in God.

The problem is that if you can't get something from nothing, it's pointless thinking you can accurately explain the next step. Juggle the figures any way you like, but without a Creator you are not going to get anything, let alone everything.

For more information on the origin of the universe, see Models of the origin of the universe, by Dr. John Rankin.

Problem No. 2
How could living creatures come from non-life?

Again, there is no scientific law or demonstrable process that can account for non-living objects coming to life. The non-living soil in your garden didn't turn into living trees and flowers. They came from seeds, cuttings, or grafts from other living trees and flowers. Life invariably comes from something that is already alive.

Atheistic evolutionists have long believed that at some time in the distant past, life arose from non-living substances. British biologist T.H. Huxley in 1869 and physicist John Tyndall in 1874 were early promoters of the idea that life could be generated from inorganic chemicals.

But biology has found no support for this, and much against it. The invariable observation is that only living things give rise to other living things. Life could not begin if God and miracles took no part!

Dr. Kenneth Poppe says in his book Exposing Evolution's Weakest Link,
“There are no provable mechanisms for how molecules could increase in complexity without cells to produce and utilize them. For example, you cannot assume proteins before you have the DNA that codes for them.”

Imagine all life on earth disappeared. There are no trees, plants or animals. All we have is rocks, dust, and lifeless matter. So how does the earth get populated with living things? That's the atheist evolutionist's unanswerable dilemma, and shows the massive faith they have to hold in preposterous answers.

For more information on abiogenesis (the theory that contends organisms originated from non-living material), see the CreationWiki article, Abiogenesis.

See also Origin of Life questions and answers, by Answers in Genesis.

Problem No. 3
How could new genetic information arise?

There is no known scientific law that would allow one kind of creature to turn naturally into a completely different kind. Insects don't evolve into more complex non-insects for instance, because they don't have the genes to do it.

To show that all life evolved from a single cell, which itself came from some type of chemical soup, there would have had to be massive genetic information gains.

But evolutionists have failed to show how this gain of new information occurred. Where did the information come from for the first bristles, stomachs, spines, intestines, complex blood circulation systems, intricate mouthpieces to strain special foods out of the water, and so on, when these were supposedly not present in the ancestral species?

The theory of evolution teaches that complex life-forms evolved from simple life-forms. There is no natural law known that could allow this to happen. The best that evolutionists can come up with to try to explain how this might have happened is to propose that it happened by mutations and natural selection.

But mutations and natural selection do not show gain in information, just rearrangement or loss of what is already there — therefore there may be beneficial mutations without an increase in genetic information.

Mutations overwhelmingly destroy genetic information and produce creatures more handicapped than the parents. (See our article on TNR, the Totally Naked Rooster.) And natural selection simply weeds out unfit creatures. Natural selection may explain why light-colored moths decrease and dark moths proliferate, but it cannot show that moths could ever turn into effective, totally different, non-moth creatures. Moths do not have the genetic information to turn into something that is not a moth, no matter how much time you give them. Nor could they evolve from something that was totally different from a moth.

For more information on macroevolution, see the CreationWiki articles Macroevolution and Macroevolution has never been observed.

See also Speciation Questions and Answers by Answers in Genesis.

Problem No. 4
Where is the proof that apes turned into humans?

Despite the evidence being pathetic, even if you claim the title of World's Biggest Optimist, evolutionists still tell the story that once upon a time humans evolved from ape-like creatures.

Many years ago this argument seemed credible to a lot of people because there was so little hominid fossil evidence that it was easy to imagine evolutionary links everywhere.

But things have changed. Thousands of fossils and fossil fragments of apes and humans have now been found — and they don't show a steady progression from apes to humans at all. Fossils have been found in the wrong time-frames, put into the wrong categories before all the evidence was in, and what was once thought to be the ape-human family tree now actually has no trunk — just unconnected branches.

Because evolutionists can't change their theory, they are stuck with the evidence looking more confusing for them with each new hominid/homin/hominine fossil discovery. Instead of clarifying the alleged link between apes and humans, new fossil discoveries are making it harder to show which type of ape or ape-like creature evolved into a human.

For more information on ape fossils making monkeys out of humans, see the article Humans are not descended from apes.

Alternative view

We believe that the evidence is stronger for those who believe the Bible's account of creation — that in the beginning God created the world and all the major types of creatures to reproduce “after their kind”.

You know, even after laying my proves, you will not accept because your mind set has been placed on God worship. I have proved evolution right and creation wrong in another thread.

Just a question for you too though, if nothing comes from nothing, what did God come from?

davidylan: you are right but not in the way you think, Atheism merely frees you from the moral responsibility to faith-based codes of conduct. What exactly have the hordes of atheists here contributed to the scientific world?

You think that moral code is ingrained on faith, what about david sleeping with a married women and killing her husband, uriah? When God heard about it, instead of punishing David, the sinner, he killed the baby instead. Is God moral in that judgment? I think God is the most immoral, evil being that needs to be eradicated from the human community.

Moral code is ingrained on seeking the survival of your group and therefore not hurting any member of your species, when you go against that, you get locked up.

Atheist rule the science world, google that.

all4naija: It might be too late for you on the day you'll find out you have been brainwashed. For now,you can Keep living in the foolishness of religion as encompassing!

mightyleks: GOD SO MANY GOING THE WRONG WAY TOO BAD

If being an atheist is the wrong way, then i am on the right path

ayobase: "A fool says in his heart, there is no God"

Let me answer these fools accordingly. Pls don't take the noun "fools" personal. Its just a tag!

Well, without much ado and sweating. Let me point out to you that the pagans are the one responsible for the draw backs we are having in Nigeria and Africa as a whole. Nigeria being a point of contact to other African countries

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99% of Nigerians are either christians or muslims, how are pagans drawing us back. You religious people dont really have a sense of accepting responsibility, do you, you just take everything to God in prayer.

sirhot: After reading the post, I have just sentence to make ' we do not have inspiring leaders in Africa but dictatorial rulers'. In USA, one of their presidents, I do not know who exactly said we are going to put a man on the moon, and they did.

In Nigeria, have we ever supported each other, loved each other, love our society? The answer is no, if you see someone going astray do you caution the person. One day, I was mad at someone who dumped refuse into the gutter, and I know people really wondered what my business was. I have always wanted to have an audience with the political leaders because they have the power to change things but they just won't, they prefer to take the money to Europe and America, what stops them from building a classical hospital in Africa where African leaders can be treated with African doctors.

If we spend Africa's money in Africa, poverty will reduce.

I agree

andyanders:
I pray to God to open your spiritual life so that you know that you have or is drifting away and plunging yourself to hell fire.May God have mercy on you.

You know, if God ask me to choose between living with him forever or going to hell, living with the devil, i would choose hell, why? because the devil takes care of his own, the illuminati are rich, God does not take care of his own, the religious africa is poor

[quote author=Bélla3]okay...
[img]http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/images/1313178415025.jpg[/img][/quote]I think you get me now.

2sizzlin: Hahahahahahahahhah wewwww. Atheists we're out of time to beg u guys to worship your creator. Nobody is begging U!!!! Atheists are just lazy and irreponsible ingrates.

On the other hand, atheist made the world. It is the theist who spend their time worshiping their imagination that is lazy.

all4naija: First and foremost, Black is not a race. We have one race that is human race. Then the problem with we Africans is very obvious, we fail to take actions and challenge things which are hindering our development and progress. There is this mentality of defeat in good numbers of Africans that forces them to resort to religion, putting all human actions on the care of deities which don't exist. It is very appalling to say the least when confronting many educated Africans(when I mean Africans I mean black people)still acting on this factor that limit their ability to invent,create and design the way the future of the next generation should go.

Indeed, I am infuriated to the amount of Africans who would see you as a stranger when explaining these factors or things which are hindering Africa to them to be their own problems. Some would even go to the length to label you as non-African when you talk about development from the white man's perspective, forgetting that white is not a race but a culture that encompasses the very civilization which we find ourselves and can not be ignored if our impact must be seen along the line of contributing to the development of humanity in the world we live.

Nevertheless, there is hope if the new generation shun this primitive idea our forefathers, that had been passing along the line till it gets to us and on to the next one. This very idea is the uplifting of what transpired of the very backwardness we found ourselves in our society, to enslave. A society people are afraid to challenge the corrupt and oppressing leaders. Leaders who only know one thing, to embezzle and subject the people to suffering - as we have seen in history gave rise to enslaving of Africans.

The solution must come in the forms of embracing modernity, accept western education(academically and good parts of the culture), create wealth by investing in technologies,economy and further believe in transparency and the rules of law. The black man society is so disorganized that one keeps wondering how it comes to be so.

If we do as aforesaid then we will begin to move to the right directions. There is nobody hating on black than the inability of blacks to challenge themselves to create, invent and organize things. Really, these have given rise to the opportunity for those who find them as weakness to abuse the black people. Not until we can see along those lines nothing is going to change any time soon. Can you imaging how black people reproduce massively without proper care? It is annoying to see how we are not ready for the future challenges now,forgetting that future is NOW!

I agree

dohiswill: Whether you believe God or not that wount change the fact God is the Almighty, believeing only make you to be on the saver side. Millions of pple like you have existed b4 now with all their blasphemy God still remain God forever no devil can change Him! His Name is Everlasting!

You think God remains forever because God never exist at all. Everyday people are getting to know this fact, it has been estimated that in 2000 years time, religion would have plummeted to less than 1% of the world population.

[quote author=Bélla3]Hmm...And you do agree that one can be religious practice religion, and still have a postive mentality??[/quote]Once you practice religion, it doesnt matter what mentality YOU have, what matters is what mentality your GOD has. God mentality obviously kill us in africa.

[quote author=~Bluetooth]Well I totly disagreed with this your theor.Look beyond Africa and take a cue from the Arabs.they worship Allah and pray in their own way and they are very wealthy and successful.


Everybody now runs to Dubai for business but the owners of dubai are muslims who worship God.I don't understand your principle of relating poverty with serving God.[/quote]You can't be so sure they are muslims, there is a growing number of Arab atheist too, most of them are elite and the intelligent

enigmagu1: The bible said in psalm 14 vs 1 . The fool have said in his heart there is no God...

l dont ani atheist

The wicked has said in his heart, there is a God.

IT IS WICKED TO TELL THE HUNGRY THAT JESUS FED 5000 WITH 12 LOAFS AND FIVE FISHES WHILE THEY DIE OF HUNGER EVERYDAY IN THEIR NUMBERS.

shymexx: That is a very silly thing to do, bro... I used to care about Africa/Africans and I was so passionate about the continent and its people that I almost suffered depression due to the state of the continent... However, right now, I could care less if Africa is nuked right now, or tomorrow morning... Heaven only helps those who help themselves - and if Africa/Africans are happy with the way they're, why should I care Africa is messed up beyond redemption - it's a jungle!!!

Bro, it's better you focus on yourself and save yourself - muthaphuck Africa!!

I am sure religion controls your mind set. Should it be controlled by freedom as brought by atheism, you would know that survival is a battle to the last breadth

[quote author=Bélla3]Do you think with the eradiction of religion will make nigeria better?
Will it make yorubas and igbos stop being at logger heads?
Will it make fulanis and igbos love each other?
Will it stop southerners from feeling superior over northerners?
Will it make igbos stop f4cking up?
Will it stop the aguleri umuleri(both of anambra state) clash?
Will it make other Nigerians realise Nigeria doesnt have 3 tribes?
Will it unite NIGERIA? Etc[/quote]Eradication of religion might not do those but it will improve the mentality of the black man. This is the only thing i fight for. Your mentality controls you.

God controls the mentality of the black man, and what do we have poverty.

God is the easiest way to destruction

I don't, sorry.

if anybody needs to be judged, its god, he is guilty of war crimes and the murder of women and children of amalek, hit, hiv, amon, cannan etc

enilove: Do you believe that there are spirit beigns?

no I dont, except if u r a spirit, then I do.

why do you believe that there are spirit beings, have u seen one?

Preacher19: You gotta do waaay far better than that to have a chance of going to Heaven! Too many people think that having Jesus in their hearts and being friendly to others and living a good life will get one into Heaven and keep one out of Hell, but they are sorely wrong! There are thousands of commandments that must[:/b] be followed, thousands of sins to be avoided, and even if you do your absolute best, there is still no guarantee that you will stay out of Hell (Matthew 7:21-23). Unless your righteousness [b]equals that of God Himself, you will be thrown into Hell! (Matthew 5:48)

so according to you it is impossible to go to heaven, since we cant be perfect as god, we dont even know how perfect god is because we cant see him.

maybe you are missing something here; I AM NOT INTERESTED IN GOING TO HEAVEN. once am dead, am dead nothing more, no afterlife, its all a lie.

thanks for saying hello though

you laugh over what exactly? would you also deny that the whites have scientific, therefore emperical, therefore logical answers to nature than the gift of bible they have endowed the blackman?

moving away from my land, to learn from the pros and then returning doesnt mean i don't love my land. its because I care that we are having this discussion in the first place.

your beliefs drive you. if u believe you can swim, then after learning, you will swim, but if you dont believe that you can swim, dont bother learning, you will not get it right. your beliefs influence your every action
this is what successful men call their secret yet you deny it.

I have realized that you are not ready to accept anything outside the view of your religion, I should have realized this earlier.

believing in god makes you think that somehow, a god cares for you and therefore is involved in all of ur success, when things aren't good, believe in a god also makes u think that 'Jehovah knows'. That thought is enough to make you complacent, the result is failure, as it is evident all over africa.

I maintain that when you dont have a rich sky daddy to pray to, you would feel the need to work. and when you dont have a younger brother to lie on for stealing the meat, you'd feel the urge to take responsibility for your actions.

striktlymi: If you are concerned about Africa stop whining and come back home!

stop talking as if you know me. you dont know where i am presently. and yes am home presently enjoying the season with my family.

the poverty I see always baffles me, it makes me think that if the devil is evil, then he exists, if god is good tthen he doesn t exist.

check this out

i will accept jesus when he is ready to accept me as his lord and savior.

I will worship jesus when he is ready to worship me so that the feeling can be mutual.

But before anything else, i have to see jesus first

This is so true. It is comforting to see blacks now being reasonable in their approach to life. I love this.

There is only one single fact needed for life and that is the fact that there is no God whatsoever. The consciousness of that fact controls all other thoughts.

You need to learn from those who have answers, if not you will only continue to languish in your plight, one reason why most africans remain religious. I also know who i am, there is no denying that fact, i am black and that always remind me i dont belong anywhere outside home, which is why i have traded the salvation of my soul for the "salvation" of my land in the first place!

I disappointed you with my argument, no, no, you disappointed with refusing to accept the simple fact that success is driven by your beliefs. What makes you think that success is not driven by one's beliefs. what makes you an achiever is if you think you can achieve. i am going to repeat it again, SUCCESS IS DRIVEN BY YOUR BELIEFS AND THOUGHTS. IT IS VERY DANGEROUS WHEN YOUR THOUGHTS ARE CONTROLLED BY ANCIENT MYTH WRITTEN IN HOLY BOOKS, THE ONLY RESULT OF SUCH IS FAILURE, AS SEEN IN AFRICA.

The problem is not that the black man can't work harder, the problem is that the black man loves to pray for longer hours.

Here is a fact i love: when there is no God to thank and when there is no Devil(Lucifer, the Great) to blame, you feel the responsibility laid on you.

onetrack: That might be the only circumstance in which preservation your children (your DNA) would be a logical reason to do something which you know will result in your death. Every other reason is either emotional or illogical, in my opinion.

I seek the betterment of my race as a whole, how is that illogical, emotional and how is that not self preservation. If my race die of hunger, how can i survive? If Africa remains undeveloped and poor, no matter how rich i am, i am poor.

I alone can't make Africa, one tree cannot make a forest, think about that!

am an atheist but i see no use for a gay bible, they are only separating themselves.

Logicboy03: He is an atheist just being sarcastic

Well then, he got me bad!!

@striktlymi: When i said "live among them", i dont mean permanently, i also come back home. But we will all agree that "there" is just better. I need to move away from the african mentality a bit, so that i dont get possessed by the same "holy" spirit that seem to possess all of you

You seem to always run away from that question. Pls answer it for sincerity's sake and we will pick up from there.

Well you can run away from it all you want, but the fact is that our leaders are religious, and they are not successful. They failed in their fields and its because of their thinking, as driven by their various religions. Check other lands, the reason for their success is because of the separation of the state from the church. Now dont start giving me Isreal, Saudi Arabia etc as examples of countries that do not separate state from church, we know that those are religious lands besides, Israel's past rulers were either atheists and agnostics so you see their success was never driven by people with a god in their mind.

Once God is off a person's mind, he see things the way they are, he see approach matters the way they should be approached. Once God is out of Africa, we will start raising better leaders, i just wonder where people like you will be then, probably in paradise, because i dont see religion leaving africa in a short time, and that also means poverty will persist.