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@striktlymi: speaking for gay rights doesnt make you gay, it only makes you a supporter of the gay behavior, therefore all your thinking will be decided by what favors the gay movement, which is why you would support their rights in the first place. Therefore, though you are not gay, gay behavior controls your thought!

There are other things wrong with the black man, but religion is on top of the list.

All you arguments are not backed by "variable" evidences, you dont know the way of life of the people you are refering to, they dont think like the black man, they dont believe that God can help them build their cities or influence their govt or football. I live among them so i know.

Before i continue, let me leave you to answer a question i posed to you before, which you ignored:

Religion influences the state of mind of a person, i think we both will agree on that, but to prove that religion, especially the strange religions, xtian and islam have a bad influence in the state of mind of a person, i will leave you to do the work, check into the African community, tell me how much success you record in govt and in life convenience?

Heathen: false, Mandela suffered because the devil realized his prayers where too power- remember, satan is eeeeevile.........................I think you should shop around for a new sarcasm detector.

Its a waste of time ever replying your post, i should have realized you've been brainwashed by the god-devil story.

Heathen: why do the rational and work hard when you can do the irrational and simply pray your problems away- the tried and tested method. Look at apartheid era South Africa, blacks did not protest, they stayed at home and PRAYED. I think heathens are the problem, they interfer with the faith-wave frequency emitted from Africa, distorting it before it gets to big daddy yaweh.

You are the problems of Africa! Have you forgotten how Mandela suffered? I guess you dont even know why he is a legend today.

@striktlymi: what is funny in accepting the wise Ogun and Ifa and rejecting the cruel xtian and muslim God.

You refused to agree that you are thinking within the book, but if you are not thinking within the book, why are you speaking for the book and its supposed spiritual writer.

It is obvious that since nothing is biologically wrong with the black man, then something must be wrong with his way of life. What way of life does the black man hold so dearly? Religion.

You argument are baseless on the fact that you would accept that everything else is wrong with the blackman, or even that he less evolved or was created with less intelligent, but you never agree with the fact that something could be wrong with your religion, because you have been brainwashed by the book.

When i said your thinking are within the book, i dont mean you quoting the bible, i mean you thinking only in line with what your God wants that you forgot to think about what is needed to be done about the black man's community.

You may not realize the point am making because of your shortsightedness as caused by the Holy Book. when you think outside the book, you will understand that something needs to be done about the black man's community and religion needs to be eradicated from among us.

We are supposed to discuss how to eradicate religion for the betterment of our land, pls dont forget that

onetrack: I will pray for all of you atheists. Otherwise, my all-merciful, all-loving, and benevolent God will strike you down and burn you forever and ever and ever in the hottest fires of hell if you don't find blind faith in one of his religions.

hmmm...... I love ur figure of speech.

@striktlymi: You know quite well that i dont endorse any religion, though if i am forced to choose between the xtian God, the muslim God, and the Almighty Ifa and the Eternal Ogun, i'd choose the last two, you know why? because when ever i a mistake, hell is not waiting for me.

We can go on and on with this argument but in all of your rejection of my view, mainly because you think inside the Bible, you must agree that religion has an influence in a person state of man. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the nigerian found guilty of attempted murder in US, would be a great engineer now if not for religion. I also heard that Rev King is about to be killed, the man could be living a great life with his family right now if he hadnt thought that he was hearing from a God.

Religion totally changes the way someone thinks, i do have a different opinion about everything now that i am no longer religious than when i was, and i can tell you i am doing far better now.

What i am attacking in essence is the influence of religion on people and how it gets them to think there is security when there is none.

People spend their time worshiping God because they think that will get them to an heavenly city, but they failed to build an earthly one. That is because they think that making an heavenly city is better than building an earthly one and so our cities lies in deterioration.

Our natural religion never promised people heaven or hell and you know what? Research showed that the african man was better when he was worshiping his own Gods, than now that he worships the strange xtian and muslim God.
We can also blame the xtian God for making slavery part of human history.

The greatest evil on the black community is the advent of the worship of Allah and Jesus.

Thinking they are always around to save one makes the person complacent.

People call for prayer rather than for debates about national matters.

Religion influences the state of mind of a person, i think we both will agree on that, but to prove that religion, especially the strange religions, xtian and islam have a bad influence in the state of mind of a person, i will leave you to do the work, check into the African community, tell me how much success you record in govt and in life convenience?

One of the reason i became an atheist is why a continent like africa, that "puts God first in everything" is the poorest and why a whole race, who is the most religious is also the most unsuccessful, that race is obvious: the black race!

I thought to myself that if God exists, and if he really decided not to help african communities but watch children die of hunger everyday in their numbers, then i can't also trust that i have a secured paradise waiting for me after death. God might also "decide it is not his affairs to interfere with".

If God can't help or at least reward African communities now despite how much they love, worship and expect from him, i dont need or want his help in the "afterlife", not that i believe in an "afterlife".

There is nothing more i'd love to see than the success of my land, even if that means loss of my soul.

You might be wondering how becoming an atheist will be of any help to my land, it will be because only when you are an atheist could you be really free to think about all the possibilities about a particular matter.
Atheism frees the mind, it is the perfect way of life, the only right path that leads to life. I dont mean an afterlife i mean a fulfilled life.

You want me to believe in God, start by showing me the reward of God worship as it is evident in african communities. When i am satisfied, you would have earned a referal commission on me by bringing me to God, except you cant because obviously, the more you worship God, the less successful you get

people waste time on topics that does not bring profit

@striktlymi: my approach is attacking the influence of religion of the african mind, rather than religion itself. attacking a particular religion is a premise for another debate

We africans have a history of totally relying on a god and belief that all events that happens to us are either a result of his anger or love, because of this, whenever an action is needed, like solving an issue in the community, a God is called upon. This leaves the issue virtually unattended to!

It can be agreed that even though the whites brought major religions to africa, africans are more religious than the whites. Polls show that "blacks spend more time in prayer than whites" and that "blacks expect a God to do things for them than the whites" and that "a blackman would rather prayer than read or think for himself".

The influence that religion has on people is different and that depends on how a people takes their religion or how much they expect from it. We have a history of expecting everything from our gods, this is why no african community ever made a civilisation compared to that which white communities in human history. Whites are "more" evolved than the blacks in knowing that success is by hard work and no God decides success. Religious mentality puts an ounce of laziness in the black man. The thought that "i can take all to the lord in prayer" would make one feel secured and less inclined to carry all responsibility, therefore, our cities are deteriorating.

A black man prefers to pray than work: It has been estimated that africans people spend less time working and more time praying because they believe that mans actions are amplified by God. This is why people pray before or during a football match expecting a God to favor their sides, during such requests, i wonder if people ever think that God answering their prayer deciding which teams wins will make God biased. People think that their prayers can influence football or other events so rather than give in their best, they resort to prayer. This method that has never produced a tangible result, african communities as prove. When Zambia won the last nation's cup, a fan wrote that God is a Zambian, one will just wonder what happens to God is a "zambian" now that they couldnt reach the final, but like all other religious minds, rather than think they need improvement in national team, they would think they are not praying enough.

Having the thought that a "God is always around to help" when there are proofs that Gods does not lacking makes one complacent. This is why religion is dangerous.

Science community believe that if majority were religious, there would be no major scientific discovery because they "take it all to their God in prayer".

Here is a word to ponder on: before science cured most diseases, people died of it, God did not apparently do anything about it, he folded his arms and enjoy watching them die. When science cured most diseases, there was no sign that a God was pleased or not, when science said there is no God, God is remained silent. This shows that even if God exists, he doesnt care about what happens to us, african communities another bleeding proof

The silence of God alone is a prove of his nonexistence.How can he claim to love us and allow a "path to destruction" in the first place.

That said. It is known that God is silent in major areas where evidence should be pouring with him, the gullible african mind failed notice that, so african people remained religions and therefore, we lack basic amenities for a comfortable living because rather than make life comfortable for ourselves, we look to a God to help us and because we look to someone that doesnt exist, we dont have help. We havent even build a single city comparable to NewYork or even Tbilisi in eastern europe.
This is a prove that Prayer cannot help but hardwork.

@striktlymi: as far as african people continue to believe in help coming from a kind of God, people will never do anything by themselve.
I hate it when leaders call for prayers rather than work, i hate it when they say stuff like God help us or we leave things in the hand of God, when infact we should take our responsibility by ourselves.

There is so much wrong with the black community, and we will all agree now that the majority of the population is counting on their God for help rather than on themselves and what they could do to help this land.
They call in God always when we should all sit, forget prayer and start working.

Prayer doesnt produce any result, African communities are proofs, because if prayer and religion and being religious and pious is what comprise building a nation and success, i think we all agree that Africa would be the most successful and developed land.

People (and that include you) must be told that their way of life, their religious way of life, committing everything to the hands of God, kills this land.

The whites might be religious too, no doubting that but they are also hard working, they know to build their cities.
But check out the history on the black man, we dont build cities, we worship gods and people are complacent with whatever comes and accept that their god is either punishing them or rewarding them.

I think that you will agree with me that most people think that the reason why the African community is undeveloped is because God is punishing us for our sins. what sins i do not know.
But when people are freed from Religion, when we get God out of our land, especially the strange xtian and muslims Gods, then people can take responsibility for their actions and stop blaming the devil or thanking God.

The mentality of the black man is primitive, we dont build, and people run to gods whenever there is a problem.
As long as religion stays with us, people will always run to their Gods rather than think and work.

Religion totally mutilates one's faculty of thing, sorry but that includes yours because as a religion person, your brain is in that book called Bible or Quran, all of you religious people can't think outside of it.
Africa will get better when people start thinking outside the "Holy Books".

wiegraf: You may be completely lost

And you find the lost by blowing them off? You may be completely insane. Dont talk to me again. You bleed religism

wiegraf: Is that all you care about? I didn't even know we were playing. What is disturbing here is it seems he has to ask allah for permission before supporting a team. Really, for something as trivial as this?? For more important things then, our hero will blindly follow allah then? Even when allah calls for a few things that would be more than a little disturbing, like say violating the rights of others?

It's his prerogative though, till he crosses the line of course.

what? a muslim replying my post? i guess the next thing i will hear is a bomb blast!

I have nothing to say to you, obligate murderers

wiegraf: Is that all you care about? I didn't even know we were playing. What is disturbing here is it seems he has to ask allah for permission before supporting a team. Really, for something as trivial as this?? For more important things then, our hero will blindly follow allah then? Even when allah calls for a few things that would be more than a little disturbing, like say violating the rights of others?

It's his prerogative though, till he crosses the line of course.

what? a muslim replying my post? i guess the next thing i will hear is a bomb blast!

I have nothing to say to you, obligate murderes

Nigeria won, who cares what the boko haram think

striktlymi: C'mon ooman, do you consider countries like Poland, Hungary, Romania etc developed countries? These are predominantly white countries but they are not developed. At best they are developing. And ooman, Italy and Spain are predominantly white and the religious people in those countries are weigh above 70% of the respective populations.


Thank you!

@striktlymi: compare Poland, Hungary, Romania with Togo, Mali, Benin and you will see a great difference.

In recent international polls on yahoo, these european countries ranked higher than USA among countries conducive for living.

I quite agree with areaboy that it is the african upbring that caused the problem of the blackman, but you will also agree that every parent brings up their child in the religious way, in the "Godly" way and that kills us.

If any other white country have the number of religious people as africa has, then they will have problems too.

Dont forget that people in Govt. are either Xtians or Muslims and they are the "problem" of our land. So if our govt is the problem, then the religious people are the problem, then religion is the problem.

Miracles are illusions and only losers and the lazy seek miracles.

how person go dey bear Joystick, why not mouse?

It is not being african or american that makes you curious, it is tradition. Blacks in america are curious as much as the whites, blacks in africa are helpless. It is custom and not color.

striktlymi: Good morning ooman,

I am of the oinion that you opened your post well, your premise is a bit shaky and your conclusion is fallacious.

The fact that the black man appears unintelligent to you, does not in any way imply that he is. Intelligence has nothing to do with one's religious affiliation or colour.

Intelligence has to do with an individual's capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts and similar forms of mental activity. It also connotes a high mental capacity. It is a proven fact that the black man has demonstrated all these repeatedly over the years and as such deserves the right to be seen as intelligent.

It is fallacious to conclude that the black man's problem is religion. Italy is one of the 10 most developed countries of the world and as at 2006 they boast of a religious population of over 95%. Spain happens to be another developed country and as at 2011 has over 70% of it's population in one form of religion or the other.

So ooman, if something is to blame for the ish in our dear country and by extension the black race, it is definitely not religion.


Thank you!

Dearie

I love your argument but you failed to address some issues.

Religion makes people feel secure in the hand of an imaginary being. You will agree with me that rather than for people to work hard, they rather pray to God, expecting a kind of miracle. This surfaced when we won our last match and the next thing the official did is to thank Pst. TB Joshua for his "prayers". That implied that the crew never thought the could win on their own ability. They have lost a sense of self confidence and so we dont have hope on our next coming game except another prophecy surfaces.

Religion makes one feel that a God cares and will help so makes one nonchalant to major problems, and so rather than for our government to work in building Africa, they call for prayers.

All black people share one trait in common, their cities are undeveloped and they are very primitive in behavior.
All black people also share one thing in common, they are "all"(majority are) religious.

All white people share one thing in common, their cities are developed and they are very modern in their behavior.
All white people also share one thing in common, they are not "all" (majority are not) religious.

onetrack: The posts made by the OP read like something you'd find in an Abnormal Psychology textbook as a case study in disorganized thinking.

It has been found that blacks and whites have the same number of brain cells, muscle cells etc. It has been biologically confirmed that both races belong to the same species.

But what then is wrong with the black man? why do they appear to be the least evolved, less intelligent, less developed etc?

It was found that it is only among the black community that you will find more than 99% of the population to be religious.

It was then concluded that the problem with black people is that they are too gullible, they will believe just anything. They are too religious. Religion was concluded to be the problem with black people.

Billyonaire: There is mental impairment, there is hypnotism but there are millions of cases that energy beings co-habit the body of individuals sharing the vehicle with original occupants. About my credentials ? You are at it.

Am an atheist, am i possessed by a devil? there is even no mechanism for possession. There is no spirits and souls so free yourself from children story and do something to improve africa. Religion kills us.

A DISTINGUISHED British scholar has written a sensational book that is certain to cause the greatest upheaval in orthodox Christian thinking since Charles Darwin said Man was descended from the ape.
For he not only argues the non-existence of Jesus Christ and the Apostles, but claims that Christianity itself – as well as Judaism and other religions of the near and Middle East—are no more than hangovers from an ancient fertility cult.

The author of this remarkable book is 47-year-old John M. Allegro, lecturer in Old Testament and Inter-Testamental Studies at Manchester University, and a philologist—a student of words and language.
He is also one of the world’s greatest experts on the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Mr. Allegro told the Sunday Mirror yesterday: “Thousands of years before Christianity, secret cults arose which worshipped the sacred mushroom—the Amanita Muscaria—which, for various reasons (including its shape and power as a drug) came to be regarded as a symbol of God on earth. “When the secrets of the cult had to be written down, it was done in the form of codes hidden in folk tales. “This is the basic origin of the stories in the New Testament. They are a literary device to spread the rites and rules of mushroom worship to the faithful.”

All religions are from ancient cults.

Atheist are the most intelligent and biologically moral people.

it is absolutely right

religion makes people deranged

delkuf: May God have mercy on u

Dont fear, it is a fact he just told you.
God doesnt exist anymore than the flying spagetti

This is all noise.

Yes