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gocac:
i pity all those who thinks greed is behind his demand for a better wage......"Nigerian hardship dey affect una brains", he is playing for money....likewise messi and ronaldo...else they should play matches free of charge for their clubs..... because you know his village, so you think no Nigerian footballer is worth 200 pounds a week. make una no make me vex oohhh!

DonEffiong:
just openly say your a lesbian and you support it not masking your inner being by this kind of comment

homosexuality is a crime and that how it will be here in nigerian if u dont like it that way goto d animal kingdom (dog and goat)

MasterEmmanu3l:
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Vikkie14:
Bigot! When they claim "this and that" were missing/stolen, you all attributed it to GEJ, but now that this Good news came out, you remembered it was FG.

And I warned you that the "Expired Paracetamol" you took this morning won't help you, do you now see what you have become?

OrlandoOwoh:
The FGN sent them, not GEJ.

PinkBarbie:
So? What am I supposed to do? Stop talking to my male bestie like you called it who we prolly met before we started dating? Why should I when you might even dump my ass tomorrow?

Only when I'm married will I reduce communication with any male friend who's not my husband. Or when the relationship is very close to the altar.

octopusfreaky:
i find it difficult to relate wt females,,i can count d no of female friends i have Women have big issues,,always something dat will make us fight

Tonymic4life:
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annunaki2:
Any scriptures to back the glaring lies you posted here?

Mskrisx:
Henry that's the info I got.

Irishrena1:
I got your back bro. Begin the process

Irishrena1:
Even if there is, one will most likely have to place an order for it. Its not in stores in Nigeria. I heard someone say there is something like that in Italy or Spain I've forgotten which. But its definitely not something you stumble on here.

Irishrena1:
Its just another Way of "shaving". Its not a permanent hair removal method. The hair grows back the same way it will grow back after "shaving"

Irishrena1:
What you have in Nigeria is hair depilatory creams.

Joagbaje:
I'm a tither. Period. When you guys get cornered you start attacks . And calling supporters . Sit down and discuss. Shey you want truth . Don't try to scatter ground. But if you insist . I will kindly exit. Opari
I didnt get cornered and i didnt attack you....i guess u have no idea what attack means...
I dont attack,i probe
U said you want the truth,I dont think you want the truth...
Exit? U already exited wen u started going on a merry go round about ur beliefs...so if you want to...dats ur problem!

[quote author=Joagbaje post=44943790]Merry go round steam . Okay let's be rounding .

Joagbaje:
You're only being manipulative. I believe any honest person should have seen the picture . But you're obviously trying to woo sympathy of you cheered givers .

Joagbaje:
Ask paul. Not me . I only quoted his writings. If he says the law is holy,law is good.

Joagbaje:
Really where have I spoken against bible study. You are rather the one speaking your own teaching . I asked you . Which bible did they study in the early church

Joagbaje:
Is paul the author . The law can't make a man righteous .you have to be righteous by faith first. Works follow .

Joagbaje:
Sacrifices and offerings are principles . Paul talked about offerings and sacrifices . But you worship God without an offering. Which scripture are you reading . What is offering. It simply mean what you offer. But your new doctrine seem to have clouded the eye you ought to have used to see Even what is plain.

Joagbaje:
If you're honest you will answer direct question. All these run run . How long will it go. Let's hit the nail on issues and move to other issues

Joagbaje:
On what ground is paul speaking . Is he a law maker ? What of the gay Christians who love God? Why is the love nature not telling them.

Joagbaje:
Have I said anything contrary?

Joagbaje:
Ask proper question and I will give proper response

Joagbaje:
You're always the pot and kettle . I can remember being rude and insultive . Beside if I talk about it, it's not because of me . It's about the quality of your spirit and state . It's part of my call to correct or admonish . All these agbero abusive thing you guys do here . I just wonder what bible you read. It's a concern in a pun
If forum . We can debate issues as gentle men. State our points . Agree or disagree . But abusive? Count me out. By bible says other wise. So don't think . Let's Abuse jo. E go pain am. When I exit such thread . It's bible wisdom.

Joagbaje:
Thank you

Joagbaje:
Sure . Maybe you can tell us more

Joagbaje:
Is it by force? Your explanation is unscriptural.

Joagbaje:
If you want to discuss pastors fine. Name your church , name your pastor . Outline your doctrine ,let's discuss them .but be civilic.

Joagbaje:
Until the rapture , isreal remain blind this is the times of the Gentiles .The salvation of isreal will be a national salvation

Romans 11:25-26
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

I want you to understand this secret truth, brothers and sisters. This truth will help you understand that you don’t know everything. The truth is this: Part of Israel has been made stubborn, but that will change when enough non-Jewish people have come to God. 26 And that is how all Israel will be saved. The Scriptures say,

“The Savior will come from Zion;
he will take away all evil from the family of Jacob.

Joagbaje:
They a Godly principles . That why paul used them for illustrations

Joagbaje:
OUCH!!!!. . .

Joagbaje:
Firstly he didn't win any Jew by trying to compromise his faith. None. He was arrested . His grace was for the Gentiles. Secondly he wasn't quoting the law for the unsaved . He was quoting the law for his church members dear. He wasn't trying to win souls . They've been won.

Joagbaje:
Untrue

Joagbaje:
They were already Christians . Church in Rome ,church in Ephesus . Not Alhaji in Ephesus

23 Paul and the Jews chose a day for a meeting. On that day many more of these Jews met with Paul at his house. He spoke to them all day long, explaining God’s kingdom to them. He used the Law of Moses and the writings of the prophets to persuade them to believe in Jesus.

24 Some of the Jews believed what he said, but others did not believe.

25 They had an argument among themselves and were ready to leave. But Paul said one more thing to them: “The Holy Spirit spoke the truth to your fathers through Isaiah the prophet. He said,

26
‘Go to this people and tell them:
You will listen and you will hear,
but you will not understand.
You will look and you will see,
but you will not understand what you see.
27
Yes, the minds of these people are now closed.
They have ears, but they don’t listen.
They have eyes, but they refuse to see.
If their minds were not closed,
they might see with their eyes;
they might hear with their ears;
they might understand with their minds.
Then they might turn back to me and be healed.’

28 “I want you Jews to know that God has sent his salvation to the non-Jewish people. They will listen!”

Joagbaje:
Don't create stuff

Joagbaje:
Babes are turn in daily except the church is not evangelical

Joagbaje:
You don't have to be rude to checkmate . If I'm wrong I will admit . I am not you. I was against Ola in the other thread on JOSEPH prince but later I looked at it. He made some good point and I admired he was right . Has he won? I don't care . For me truth has won . But the way you go about debate and discussion it will be very difficult for you to admit wrong . Because of so much wrong attitude you display .

Joagbaje:
Terrorist and robbers have good reasons .also that doesn't make you right. Especially when your post lack spiritual fruit in attitude and words.

Joagbaje:
[color]2 Timothy 2:24-25
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth[/color]

Anything outside this is human Lust . Anger belongs to fools according to scriptures . So calm down .

Joagbaje:
Nice , I should add double scriptures for viewers in my next post

Joagbaje:
Keep posting . For me and viewers . I will do the same . Difficult so,Eti,Es to even respond because I don't remember what I'm responding to.

Joagbaje:
Mistake in copy and paste . The modified one didn't go. I will check it

Gombs:
be my guest

Gombs:
Pheeew. What a thread!

Openmine, you seemed new to this arena, and I say welcome! Certain gladiators here, over the years, have been mute for several reasons, but this thread, is a replica of another that has being long dealt with, devoid of the shameless personal attacks of folks who cannot stay on topic, but show their neonate nature in biblical discussions. I welcome you to this thread, and offer you a new thread for a square discussion, of course making plainer the things joagbaje has been saying since the thread below and many more before it.

In this thread, you will be amazed at the reasoning of some folks; Highlights include

1. Tithes and offerings, Tithe is done with, so is offerings, what we take today in church is called COLLECTIONS. Let me quote one of many

What is this? What we give in worship gathering is 'contribution' NOT offerings. We don't give 'offerings' in worship gathering UNDER THE NT, such was by the law.


Someone then showed where Jesus called these givings as gifts, here was one of the replies

when Jesus made dat statement there was no christianity, only judaism, it was still OT, Christ died gave d perfect offering(his blood) and brought in NT n christianity, in christianity, we are enjoined to offer our bodies as living sacrifice n d fruit of our lips. I told u , d money we give in church are contributions, whats so dif to udastand?

2. The myriad of insults from the anti-titters

3. This epic post by one of the folks who posted few minutes ago, he said
Jesus NEVER paid tithes because he wasn't a farmer,

the same folks said Jesus was under the law, and functioned under the Mosaic laws before His death, but we now see an exception, He didn't pay tithe because He was not a farmer.

Just go there, it's 31 pages, but worth the read. Forget the shifting of goal post folks are trying to do here from the topic at hand to personal jabs.

https://www.nairaland.com/1456343/tithes-offerings-eternal-principles#18401359

I await your response.

Joagbaje:
[s]It wasn't relevant to your cause. Paul rather became a Jew to the Gentiles . You're shooting yourself in the foot there[/s]

Joagbaje:
[s]More shooting in the foot . Yet this is the law you condemn [/s]

Joagbaje:
[s]So what is your point then. If the apostle to the gentles could be so proud to use the law why are you demonising the law then? We are all viewing the scriptures before our eyes here [/s]

Joagbaje:
Ask paul. Shey na our apostle .

Joagbaje:
The scriptures are Gods scriptures .period . It's not about order of priest .

Joagbaje:
But I showed you scriptures to read for yourself . As much as you try to label me a law advocate . The principles are my point . You don't condemn spiritual principles because they are mentioned in the law. There are shadows in the law and there are practical principles . The kingdom principles . Christ

Joagbaje:
Here we go round and round again. It can only rubbish the blood of christ if we seek be made righteous by them instead of faith.

Joagbaje:
To be made right with God.

Joagbaje:
It's a foundation for right and wrong . Kingdom principles are there . And you have to know what is done away and what is still applicable .

Joagbaje:
Let's take gay marriage for example . Is right or wrong ?

Ephesians 5:22-26
Wives, submit to your own[b] husbands[/b] as to the Lord, for the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church. He is the Savior of the body. Now as the church submits to Christ, so wives are to submit to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself for her to make her holy, cleansing her with the washing of water by the word.

Joagbaje:
Kindly give a definition

Joagbaje:
For man .

Joagbaje:
I won't do that

Joagbaje:
Yet you can rude and speak guile and the nature in you does not address it

Joagbaje:
How come the nature in the believers in Ephesus couldn't address them and Paul had to use the law as reference .

What of the Roman church ? He couldn't use the new nature and the holyghost to teach them about

Romans 12:19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

How come it's only you who doesn't need word of exhortation?

Joagbaje:
Deal with jo and the bible

Joagbaje:
The salvation of isreal is for a whole nation and its futuristic after tribulation. Israel is still blinded .

Joagbaje:
Have I said otherwise ?

Joagbaje:
The problem was man . It was man that lack the ability to do the law.

Joagbaje:
In that case we don't even need a bible nor exhortation nor a pastor . you see am?

Joagbaje:
You're still shooting yourself in the foot. It's because it's the word of God . And the law reveal God standing and principle .the law is holy . It's wrong use of it that may be wrong

Romans 7:14
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Joagbaje:
I don't get you . Kindly explain

That's my point. They were not under Jewish law. The only reason paul will quote the Jewish law for them is because . That's the scripture . It's found

Joagbaje:
He didn't become a gentile . He rather became a Jew to reach the gentile . It's conflict . It doesn't add up. He can't quote the law he
condemned according to you

Joagbaje:
That's your application. To the Jew I understand but Gentiles ? Forget it. He quoted the law because it's Gods word.

Joagbaje:
Then if that's the case ,a lady can sleep with a man to bring him to church abi

Joagbaje:
You're wrong sir . There will always be babes in the body of christ . People converted daily .

Joagbaje:
You don't have to be rude. The love nature you claim leads you has what is called coutessy . We are not agbero

Joagbaje:
If you can't post it here for us to read or at least type it out kindly forget it.

I made an illustration...
Just to buttress my point where Paul said, "I have become ALL THINGS to ALL PEOPLE, so that I may by EVERY POSSIBLE MEANS SAVE SOME."
I may not use a stripper example....but am reading meanings into Paul's admission....he was willing to do what ever it took to ensure the gospel was preached...Thats just what his thoughts were...so don't blame him for such "actions" and don't blame me for understanding his plight


The church i attend only offers free-will collections....
Which is not mandatory or imposed...
Giving for a project or cause is based on the leading of your spirit...so one in church is subjecting anyone to either give a particular amount or impose it on anyone to give...
So maybe the assembly you attend may coercing and manipulative....different stokes for different folks


Uncle the difference is that my mine has scripture backing...urs is based on ur "revelation" whether true or false..


Did you intentionally omit "tithes" and replaced it with "instructed offering" from ur list of giving?



I disagree....it was not an instruction...it was a word of encouragement to the Corinthians which was based on wat they had and not what dey did not have....
Please go back and study 2 Corinthians 8 and study it slowly....

4C2215131:
Hehehehehe....touche!

Joagbaje:
Oh so What do you say to these ?

2 Corinthians 9:6
But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

Galatians 6:7-8
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Maybe paul has become a manipulator here or talking to babes according to you.

Joagbaje:
My question was simple . Let me make is clearer . What scripture were they studying in the early church. Was it Old Testament or New Testament ?

Joagbaje:
He told Timothy to pay attention to reading and also told him to study. My question was . What scripture was he to read ?

Joagbaje:
That's where knowledge of scriptures comes in. To know what christ has fulfilled and what principles still applicable .

Joagbaje:
Oh sure the principle still applicable . Because it's kingdom principle . Offerings ,sacrifices ,tithes will always be kingdom principles

Philippians 4:18
But I have all things, and abound. I am filled, having received from Epaphroditus the things that came from you, a sweet-smelling fragrance, an acceptable and well-pleasing sacrifice to God.

Hebrews 13:15
Through him, then, let us offer up a sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of lips which make confession to his name.

Romans 15:16
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

Joagbaje:
It's my choice what I use it for .

Joagbaje:
The law is the law of God . It's a foundation of rightness and wrong. What is condemned is that we are not justified by obedience to it . We are justified by faith . But the law is foundation of what is right and what is wrong. It reveals Gods mind. Roman 7:7 is clear enough

Romans 7:7
What then do we conclude? Is the Law identical with sin? Certainly not! Nevertheless, if it had not been for the Law, I should not have recognized sin or have known its meaning. [For instance] I would not have known about covetousness [would have had no consciousness of sin or sense of guilt] if the Law had not [repeatedly] said, You shall not covet and have an evil desire [for one thing and another].

Can't you see it here ? The only reason Paul would quote the law was simply because of the principle there . The law is not evil . But it is wrong to feel or seek to be made righteous by just obeying it.

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Joagbaje:
It is only useles in the area of justification .as long as it's not used to be made right with God or seek salvation on its own. The righteous demand of the law is fulfilled in christ.

Joagbaje:
1 Timothy 1:8
But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

8 But we know that the law is good, provided one uses it legitimately.
9 We know that the law is not meant for a righteous person, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and irreverent, for those who kill their fathers and mothers, for murderers,
10 for the sexually immoral and homosexuals, for kidnappers, liars, perjurers, and for whatever else is contrary to the sound teaching based on the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was entrusted to me.
1 Timothy 1:8-10

Joagbaje:
Give a straight answer pls. Now that the law is done away with according to you. Will you now commit murder or dishonor parents?

Joagbaje:
Even going by the scripture you quoted you're admitting to my point . love has fulfilled what law ?. Evil law ?..
What to you is fulfillment of the law?

Joagbaje:
The only fault of the law is not that the content is evil but lack the power of justification . It doesn't take away the fact that the law is good.

Joagbaje:
Even thou it's a future prophecy for the nation of isreal but by law of double reference still applicable to the church. Going by the scripture you quoted . We don't need teachers as ministry gift . God puts his new nature in us. But we still need knowledge .

Joagbaje:
It's simply the ability to fulfill righteous demand of the law by the power of the new nature

Joagbaje:
Love has always been there from Old Testament .

Deuteronomy 6:5
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Joagbaje:
Why would paul be saying steal no more. Keep away from idols . Lie not.

Joagbaje:
We've done this over and over. It's not applicable . There no justified reason to mention a Jewish law to Romans . They shouldn't have known it existed Sef. But paul used it because it's the law of God . It's foundation . As much as they don't seek justification by it.

Joagbaje:
I did saw it but it's not apllicable . If it were to Jews only . I will agree with you. But Gentiles and Jewish law don't marry .

Joagbaje:
It doesn't make sense.

Joagbaje:
That's your personal assumption but it doesn't make spiritual sense . There will always be baby Christian in every congregation till jesus come

Joagbaje:
Pls quote specific passage for context purpose .

Joagbaje:
So you endorse it if a former striper does stripping as a way of evangelism?

Joagbaje:
Very funny. Do you attend a church? If you do does your pastor give instructions. If he does. Is it imposition ? Like giving for a project or something

Joagbaje:
Brother it's the same principle .

Joagbaje:
It's always been in the kingdom of God . There have always been different kinds of givings. Free will offering , instructed offering . Vows ,alms .

Joagbaje:
Paul as a pastor gave intruction to his churches period . It's left for them how much they gave . According to their prosperity. Same thing moses did . Those who don't have gold gave silver down to ram skin.