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StillDtruth:
The subject is indeed Polygamy and you can see that the questions are directed towards the Polygamy of taking wives and you saw them but because you can not counter.

And since you do not want to confess your folly and error, you are now trying to play the I don't understand card" while stylishly insalting me (fallacy of ad hominem) because of it.

Once again. David's sin was not being polygamous. His sin was adultery and murder.

Saul sin before God was not being polygamous , it was disobedience to God's commands to do exterminate the Amalekites.

Polygamy is not a sin and in some cases he mandated it so that a deceased widow is taken care of and the deceased man's name can continue to live on.

Nevertheless, it is clear that God's preference is monogamy because it has a better chance of reducing the chaos strife and disruption that polygamous households can come with.

Paul even said that it is good for a man not to marry in Ist Corinthians 7: 1-16. But so as to reduce immorality, men should marry their own wife's and women their own husband's.

Why don't men then follow Paul's advice and not marry it all. Since he said that that is the good thing.

When looking at scriptures you must look at it comprehensively so that you have a balanced perspective and not just take one or two verses and begin to make bold and erroneous claims that can't stand up to scrutiny.

If God gave David multiple wives and said he would have even given him more if he asked for it, then God will have sinned against himself if you say that Polygamy is not a sin.

It is a preference and not a sin. Celibacy, Monogamy, Polygamy are all human preferences. That is where it begins and that is where it ends.

Your marital status is not a determinant of your spiritual relationship with God



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StillDtruth:
Na only master's wives God give am?did verse 8 not list them all out?

1 master's house

2 master's wives

3 house of Israel

4 house of Judah

Yet it is only Number 2 you see!

Are wives and houses not also in the houses of Judah and isreal?

So, if they were his as you claim then how come he got into trouble for taking one of the wives, since you say, God gave him?

And why do you not see him tell God, "i took her because i saw you gave every wife and woman in isreal and Judah to me?"

And you have not been able to answer since i have been asking you, so clearly, you have guys are Lying against God and profaning His Holy Name!

You are either very dense or justvthrowing red heerings. The subject matter is polygamy and not real estate.

Meanwhile, the King did not by the Virtue of his position own ALL the real estate in Israel.
That is why Ahab first tried to buy the land from Naboth. When he refused to sell, Jezebel had Naboth set up and killed.

Saul's wives were the ones he married. The women of Israel were not his because he was Kind over them. Just like Bathsheba was Uriah's wife and not automatically David's because he was king.

Go and learn and stop making a fool of yourself

StillDtruth:
Na lie! You are just running away because you already know you cannot counter and that are lying against God and His Word!

You are not saying any thing worthy.

Wether deliberately or you can't understand it. You are not debating the salient points.

The fact is that in matters such as this context is extremely important. The letters of Paul, the responses of Jesus and the doings of the patriarchs all had a socio cultural background to them that can't be ignored.

For instance take the issue of eating of unclean animals. Peter was teaching that they not be eaten...until God taught him otherwise.

Paul's letters were a response to events in the church at that time. They were not written in isolation and were clearly addressed to certain groups of individuals in response to certain events that were ongoing.

You are ignoring context and unable to see the whole picture and not interested in having a balanced discussion.

Therefore it's a waste of time.

Once again. Polygamy is not a sin against God...because he himself said he gave David wives and would have given him more if he asked. If it was a sin, it would mean that God himself sinned against himself.

Not one scripture passage did God condemn anyone for marrying more than one wife. And their many instances were polygamous men were in very loving relationships with him.

Jesus himself said marriage ends here on earth...for like the angels who do not marry that is how we will be in heaven.



Marriage is not at the core of man's relationship with God. It is a human activity for multiplying the species and providi h support for the offspring and parents during their time here on earth.

StillDtruth:
That Same statenent shows that "he inherited" as you say

1 master's house

2 master's wives

3 house of Israel

4 house of Judah

Yet it is only Number 2 you see!

Are wives and houses not also in the houses of Judah and isreal?

So, if they were his as you claim then how come he got into trouble for taking one of the wives, since you say, God gave him?

nd why do you not see him tell God, "i took her because i saw you gave every wife and woman in isreal and Judah to me?"



So you confirm that Davud did commit adultery in breach of Sections 13, 14 and 17 of God's Commandments!

Then you confirm that he seriously broke The Laws by being a serial adulterer and bigamist which is polygamy

bigamy. noun. big·​a·​my ˈbi-gə-mē : the crime of marrying someone while already married to someone else.


Polygamy
Polygamy is the practice of marrying multiple women.

So you see, you yourself have described and listed out David's crimes which break The Law.

Do you even know that Polygamy became mandatory for a man if his brother died? He was required by Jeswish custom to marry his brothers widow and sleep with her and have her have children.

Do you know that God punished by death someone who married his brothers widow but was cunningly avoiding to impregnate her?

Bro your knowledge about this thing is limited. Go and learn

Big man outside, cry cry baby inside house.

A whole African, Nigerian, Lagos Man wey dey cry dey kneel down dey beg Olosho...unto wetin na.

You fall men hand no be small. Just be happy with your wife and become strong on your weaknesses.

It is well with you

Westerhoffe:
He slammed the truth on you, you rebuffed because you wanted him to lie like a Satanic grade that you are, which he chose not to.

David had several other wives and concubines; GOD never warned him about them until he went ahead to take Bathsheba and kill Uriah, after the attempt to pin the pregnancy on Uriah failed.

Now you Satanic grade liar, are you aware of these?

Don't mind the guy. People do only surface level thinking.

If God did not command anywhere not to marry more than one wife, and had very healthy loving relationships with men that had more than one and even says that it was he who gave one of such men many wives and if he wanted more, all he needed to do was ask....how than can you say polygamy is a sin.

Polygamy and monogamy are human preferences in intersexual relations.

Both have merits and demerits according to the times and environments where they are practiced.


What God judges an individual by is the condition of your heart towards him and How you treat other human beings.

You can be monogamous and be a wicked soul. You can be polygamous and be wicked.

You can be monogamous and be a righteous person.
You can be polygamous and be a Neighbour's person.

Everything marriage ends here on earth, it has no bearing in heaven.

StillDtruth:
That Same statenent shows that "he inherited" as you say

1 master's house

2 master's wives

3 house of Israel

4 house of Judah

Yet it is only Number 2 you see!

Are wives and houses not also in the houses of Judah and isreal?

So, if they were his as you claim then how come he got into trouble for taking one of the wives, since you say, God gave him?

nd why do you not see him tell God, "i took her because i saw you gave every wife and woman in isreal and Judah to me?"



So you confirm that Davud did commit adultery in breach of Sections 13, 14 and 17 of God's Commandments!

Then you confirm that he seriously broke The Laws by being a serial adulterer and bigamist which is polygamy

bigamy. noun. big·​a·​my ˈbi-gə-mē : the crime of marrying someone while already married to someone else.


Polygamy
Polygamy is the practice of marrying multiple women.

So you see, you yourself have described and listed out David's crimes which break The Law.

Menn na wa. You just dey jump from one argument to the other. Go read 1st Samuel 12 especially verse 7 to 9. Gods own words through the prophet Nathan.

He said I gave you your master's wives..if that was not enough and you wanted more, I would have given you more.

This is the clearest evidence that Polygamy is not a sin against God. God gave David multiple wives...if it was wrong in his sight...God will not do so and express his willingness to give him more if he wanted.

In all this, I am sure you have not bothered to even ask yourself, what exactly is Sin. Since you like to Google, Google Harmatiology and learn.

Marrying many wives is not a sin. Adultery is the sin. Which actually is stealing another man's property. God certainly preferred a monogamous marriage. But the simple truth is that the number of wives a man marries has zero bearing on his relationship with God.

You can be a Polygamist and love God whole heartedly and do his will and God loves you return.. You can be a monogamous and be an abomination before God.

You can be a Polygamist and be abhorrent to God. It is your character and actions that will determine.

This is the balanced teaching that Jesus taught.

"The law of Moses permitted you to divorce your wife because of the hardness of your heart...but it was not so in the beginning." These are Jesus very own words.

What the law of Moses that was given to him directly by God permitted can not be a sin.

StillDtruth:
Sorry, you dodged the question. I did not ask about what David did with Saul's wives but asked about "gave him wives".

And you people insist on "gave him wives" meaning anybody's wife whether Saul o or Abner o or jonathan o etc and not "gave David the wives of Saul which is what you are changing it into.

Because my own deduction tells me that God cannot give any married person another person's wife because it is evil and it breaks His Commandment as shown in Verse 9

"wherefore hast thou despised The Commandment of The Lord, to do evil in His Sight?"

Then see the charges that fiollowed

Charge 1 "killed Uriah with the sword"
Charge 2 "and hast taken his wife to be thy wife (polygamy for David was already married to Micah
Charge 3 "Slayed Uriah with the sword of the children Ammon".

Charge 2 is undisputably a charge against polygamy.

Go check the judgement for David's sin. It was devastating.



I know that is why we are in dispute starting from your basis of "gave him wives" so your off point surplusage in establishing your case is in vain. Sorry.



Everyone knows Google is acceptable hence the popular caption "Google it". And in the event they are in error, we are all sure you will point it out.

And besides, we do not know what you sudied or did not study, so Google is a fair referee between us.

And presently you do not contest that the information on Paul is untrue, so it is not a problem.



Your heart has already confessed the Truth and you cannot take it back. You said it because you wanted to intimidate me and tell me that you are the bible expert and authority and therefore i have no right to query your opinions. And that pride and arrogance made you to repeat it again up here in your post, even though it was not relevant and fallacious but i ignored them and faced the issue of contention.

So try to stay focused.

And proof beyond reasonable doubt is for criminal case in proving the guilt of a person accused of a crime and this is not a criminal case but a civil one, and that is judged on the prepoderance of evidence and a balance of probability, which you have already lost by your dodging of the question i asked you.

Too many English. No substance. Let me leave you to you.

StillDtruth:
Sorry, you dodged the question. I did not ask about what David did with Saul's wives but asked about "gave him wives".

And you people insist on "gave him wives" meaning anybody's wife whether Saul o or Abner o or jonathan o etc and not "gave David the wives of Saul which is what you are changing it into.

Because my own deduction tells me that God cannot give any married person another person's wife because it is evil and it breaks His Commandment as shown in Verse 9

"wherefore hast thou despised The Commandment of The Lord, to do evil in His Sight?"

Then see the charges that fiollowed

Charge 1 "killed Uriah with the sword"

Charge 2 "and hast taken his wife to be thy wife (polygamy for David was already married to Micah[

Charge 3 "Slayed Uriah with the sword of the children Ammon".

Charge 2 is undisputably a charge against polygamy and any other sin that can be found there!.

No way. Stop twisting.

Saul was dead. David inherited his wives. Saul was not alive.

David slept and impregnated Bathsheba when Uriah was alive. ( he was already married to multiple women and already had many children from various wives and concubines) before meeting bathsheba.

His sin was adultery and murder. Not polygamy.

Veecruz:
See, you refused to answer the question on Deuteronomy 17:17 like the others before you in my thread!
https://www.nairaland.com/8032594/deuteronomy-17-17-shows-god#128966884

Also in my.thread i answered

if God truly had given David people's wives, then why would God still go ahead and accuse him of taking someone's wife?



Google answers
At age thirteen Saul was sent to Israel to learn from a rabbi named Gamaliel, under whom Saul mastered Jewish history, the Psalms, and the works of the prophets. His education would continue for five or six years, and then Saul went on to become a lawyer.



In all these actions, is it not a case of someone is lying and someone is saying the Truth, which is what The Judge has to judge between the lawyer's cases?



From the abundance of the heart
So you obvioisly gave your qualification because you were trying to impress and intimidate me and here was i thinking that you were a great expert on these matters so that i should know what i am up against in going against you, and so i answered back that i could take you on.

And now you have gone beserk and res ipsa loquitur occurs.

No vex, hunkle know it all. Thank God, The Mighty and The Most Justest Judge dey come judge all dese rubbish wey people dey do and dose wey dey go everlasting prison of Fire, dem know already!

If God gave David the wives of Saul his master after his death. And then was angry with David for taking Uriah's wife and killing him...you should be able to simply deduce that Polygamy is not a sin against God. Coveting and taking your Neighbour's wife is the sin.

Go check the judgement for David's sin. It was devastating.

My claim ab initio is that Polygamy is not a sin against God and monogamy is not the standard for righteousness.

There is no where in the Bible where God forbids a man from marriage to more than one woman.

Paul was advising men not to marry because of the benefits of being free from the burdens and responsibilities that marriage comes with that limits a person from being fully devotedto God. Catholic Priests follow his advice and do not. Those who marry do not sin. Those who don't are not automatically righteousness.

Do not multiply wives to yourself simply means do not abuse your powers as a King to be marrying as many wives as you wish for because you have wealth, power and fame.

God might prefer man to do a certain thing but may allow him to do something else. It does not mean it is a sin against God.

From Jesus own statement, it is clear that God's preference is monogamy...but the realities of the world ( survival and preservation) and the nature of man allows men to marry more than one and this Polygamy is not evil in God's sight.

It is not a sin against God. That is the true and balanced teaching of the Bible. Many men that God favored and exalted were polygamist. In the books of the new testament we don't hear too much details of the family lives of the main characters because that was not the focus of those books. They were accounts of the life and redemptive work of Jesus. Letters to various churches and eschatology.

Kings and Bishops are advised not to multiply wives because their position requires discipline and focus on communal affairs that the chaos and tension that Polygamy comes with can be a real and unwanted distraction.

Please don't use Google answers for me. You as a lawyer knows the value of credible sources to back claims. I studied Jewish religious law as so many thousands of theologians. It does not make us lawyers.

The bible itself records Paul as a tent maker.

I for one have zero desire to marry more than one wife or for my kids to have any step siblings. I don't own a farm where I need more free labour nor do I own a large pasture of flock where I need more hands. The chaos of Polygamy is not attractive to me in any way.

But if life happens and I have to marry more than one...I know I have not sinned against God in any way shape or form.

I mentioned that I was trained in religious studies just so you don't give flippant answers to me. It was you that was trying to impress with your law degree saying you seperate truths from lies....as if that is what lawyers really do.

That a lawyer means that you are trained in logical reasoning. If that is the case you ought to know that it is impossible to prove beyond reasonable doubt that Polygamy is a sin against God from the Christian scriptures.

Veecruz:
Logic would have told you that that is The Law against embezzlement and i believe you saw that, but this is offpoint.

Back to the issue, where was the king to come from? Is it from the sky or from the people?



Off point! You said "the only verse that backs one man, one wife came from Jesus," and i only pointed out that Paul restated it. EOStory.



.Same thing you should know. After 5 years of Law and Law school, we lawyers never stop reading and learning and proving Truths or Lies, whichever is in issue..

And remember, Paul is a lawyer, so i know all he has in mind because His Letters are a Lawyer's letters and not an ordinary layman's letter, which is why Peter warned laypeople to be careful of Paul's teachings for it is only a learned person who can accurately, tell you what it means.

When David was condemned by God for killing Uriah...he was told that "I gave you you masters wives...if you wanted more, I would have given you."

These were God's very own words via the mouth of Nathan his prophet. If God himself gave David multiple wives and was willing to give him more if he asked, how then would polygamy be a sin before him?

Answer this question or just say nothing more.

Paul was not a lawyer. Stop saying B.S. He learned the Torah under Gamaliel just like an aspiring Reverend today would learn the Old Testament scriptures.

He was a tent maker by profession. Stop reading your own meaning into scripture passages. Let the passages speak for them selves.

And who said Lawyers prove truth and lies? Don't make me laugh. A lot of you are the most dishonest bunch of human beings that were ever created.

Most of you look for loop holes in events and arguments to create doubt and let the guilty go scotsfree and have little or no regard for the truth...as long as you get paid for twisting the truth.

Who you want dey impress?

Veecruz:
So Paul did not say one man one wife?

Or you did not see The Commandnent "Neither shall he multiply wives to himself" abi?

That was to the person who will become King of Israel and it also said not to multiply gold and silver to himself.. so by your logic, being rich should be a sin.

Paul also recommended christians not to marry at all. I hope you read your Bible well.

Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry. But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her . 1st Corinthians vs 7: 8-9.

So in your illogical way of thinking. Marriage for a man is a sin...because Paul said so.

Context is very important when reading the scriptures.

Friendly advice...the person you are talking to spent 5 years of is life in a classroom in a University studying Religion. So you better be sure of of what you are saying.

This is the truth.

Polygamy is not a sin against God.

Monogamy is not righteousness.

Marriage begins and ends here on earth. There is no marriage in heaven said Jesus.

yewit37486:
Don't waste your time explaining to people who already know what they want to do and are just looking for a way to justify it.

Anyone that wants to marry 100 wives should please go ahead, it won't change the fact that the Bible is clear on it being One man, one wife.

The only verse that actually backs one man one wife came from the mouth of Jesus.

When he said Moses permitted you to marry more than one wife because of the hardness of your heart, but it was not so from the beginning.

Meaning, polygamy was not God's plan all along. Nevertheless, it is permissible and not a violation of any commands. Therefore it is not a sin in any way shape or form.

But, then the argument can then be made that if the original intention of God was monogamy then becoming born again should mean man operates on the original will of God.

But then the fact remains that polygamy is not a sin and monogamy is not righteousness.

Sin and Righteousness are both independent of both and that is why Jesus said there is no marriage in heaven.

Marriage begins and ends here on earth. In heaven we all become single for life.

thesicilian:
We didn't attend the same school, I have my own school that I attended, and you have yours.
So if I say I have my own school I attended, does that mean I was the only one in the school?

If I tell my friends I can't stay here, I'm going back to my own house, does that mean I'm the only one who lives in the house? Come to think of it, "my own house" doesn't even mean I own the house, it just implies that I have a legal right to use the house. So 40 people can call a house their own house as long as they're legal occupants of the house.

That's the lexical ambiguity I'm talking about.

Jesus never condemned polygamy, most of those in the bible who seemed to condemn it were the overzealous converts who were not even with jesus and tended to apply their personal beliefs in most of their teachings.

Some of the greatest icons in the Bible were polygamists, such as Abraham, Solomon, David etc

And they're all already in heaven while you are here talking about unimportant things like polygamy instead of focusing on the actual teachings of christ like repentance, forgiveness, love etc

Men your sense dey very complete.

Personally, I do not have any desire to have more than one wife because of the headaches that polygamy brings.

One woman alone is chaos,not to talk of two or three jealous women who will compete with each other and recruite their children to do the same.

In fact , it was to avoid this chaos and let the man of God focus on his ministry that Paul advised ministers not marry at all sef.

I really like your explanation of the lexical ambiguity and I've learned something on this forum today.

DEGREE2466:
Come and collect it

Find less privileged to give. No be me you go see inside that kain car. You want sell car for 3.5 million. You no get sense to so small paint job on the trims to make it look decent.

Stay dense!!!

michlins:
while we continue to advocate for less corrupt politicians,we need to remember that they can not steal the money to build Nigeria.

In my opinion, biggest problem of Nigeria is white elephant projects that will contribute next to nothing. We need power more than anything but we're busy building a very expensive road that already has an alternative. If we spent the same money in generation and transmission of power in Nigeria and we get at least 10GW of power transmitted,we can spur growth of the economy and widen the tax net which will grant the government the funds to pay for such road projects.

Government can also identify real farmers with college of agriculture and fund them to go into massive agricultural projects to ensure food security.

You will never know how important well paved roads are to the growth of any economy.

Why are you arguing that politicians don't steal money for projects when this is a recurring theme.

The USA is a whole continent on its own but the roads are paved from your doorstep to another doorstep as far as 23 hours away....why do you think delivery businesses like Amazon can thrive?

Go and learn more. That is my advice to you and stop defending crooked politicians

Topman7:
US annual budget: 7.6 trillion dollars.

Nigeria annual budget: 40 billion dollars.

By African standards, we are rich, but please, leave US out of our discussion, I take God beg you.

Do you know the annual budget of Stanford University, USA?

9 billion dollars.

Just ONE university in America.

Is that not 1/4 Nigerian annual budget?

Harvard University, their annual budget is 6 billion dollars.

Cornell University, 5.4 billion dollars.

Yale, 5.7 billion dollars.

I don't know where you people get this idea that Nigeria is rich.

I hope you know that the whole of Nigeria is just about the size of Texas...just one state out of 50 +1 ( Hawaii ) of the USA.

So if you think you don't know what I am saying, pack well.

Just last month, my entire neighborhood had its roads re-tarred. No fan fare, no begi begi nothing...just because we complained of some peeling off of the granite in just one small spot in one of the streets. It was done three days...the entire neighborhood of about 8 streets.

There is no excuse for corruption. Stop making needless comparisons. I said Nigeria is getting broke everyday.

I carely

Topman7:
AMAZING.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4U3O5rPChU&ab_channel=TayoAmele

I doff my hat for Dave Umahi.

First class official he is.

A proud symbol of Nigerian competence.

Third Mainland Bridge did not look as beautiful as this even when it was first commissioned in 1990.

Now Imagine traveling from the doorsteps of your house to another city 24 hours away and the roads are like this from the beginning yo the end.

Some may not be as fresh looking...but they are tarred and lines are marked from your house to your destination.

That is what you experience in the USA and this is what all our stolen monies should be spent on. We have no business with untarred roads in Nigeria with the kinds of money we had.

Now Nigeria is getting broker day by day.

Painful to see. A man must learn to manage his temper especially in this western world where the system can drive any body to despair and quiet desperation.

I have been mocked, taunted, abused, ridiculed, derided , scorned by very prayerful very religious christians to such an extent that I almost turned my back on God if not that I knew him so well before migrating.

God said I should " be still ", not defend myself and must not confront anyone and let him fight for me.

It was extremely tough and painful to keep quiet when all sorts of wicked lies and false malicious gossip were being peddled against me....but I did and the results were amazing.

God vindicated me in many beautiful ways and I sometimes pray that he forgives those people...because of the severity punishment he meted out to them.

Better go and dash someone this your scrap wey you dey give undeserved praise soo. Abi eye dey pain you. How does this car fit into what is clearly " good looking"

May God have mercy on us. Thank God for his help. See-finish is one of the worst things that can happen to a man with his wife and inlaws.

Especially when you have done nothing to merit the see finish.

Exousiang01:
I don't understand you bloggers, how much is queen primer now sef...
Which one is "a video caught on camera"

This is the kind of courage I am building into my sons.
Some weaklings are busy telling me trash in the other thread.
In this crazy would if you don't build a Wolf pack mentality into your kids, they will end up in the news as victims

You also want them to use their brain more than their brawn or else they will end up the same way as a tool in the eyes of the smart

Retreat is part of warfare tactics.

hookupagent1:
I have this feeling that something is wrong with me because I feel sensational movement all over my body, have some sharp pain on my head and I always feel weak cold and hot inside of me and very lazy unlike me before, I'm a shadow of My former self, looking lanky like someone that is battling from a deadly ailment. I have not slept for months and I noticed something, I behave strange as If I'm about to go insane, many more strange things happening in my body, I suspect I'm under witchcraft, demonic attack, or occultic attack,
I feeling empty and think I'm under a spell
I seriously need help.

See this thread for any know the beginning of my problem and this is where I suspect my problem is from no doubt
https://www.nairaland.com/8063420/get-strange-feelings-after-seeking

Stop smoking Igbo and taking tramadol. You will be alright

He was not meant to satisfy them. They were meant to satisfy him.

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healthkknatural:
Deborah : A Good Government Would have Brought the Killers to Book. What are your Views ?

Quite Pathetic that A Nigerian would be Burnt to Death in the most Heinous Manner and till now Government are Yet to bring the Perpetrators to Book .

No Justice ..Chai !

I will never forget my experience in 2006 in Kano to be exact. I was falsely accused of peeing in an uncompleted building which turned out to be a small village mosque under construction.

The man accosted me to ask if I had peed in the uncompleted building and I vehemently said no. That instead I was ko where near the building because I was riding a bicycle touring the village as we awaited the preparation of our lodge by the corners liaison officer.

The man said " I am greatly relieved that your answer was No or else I would have been obliged to kill you if you confirmed that you were the one who peed inside the uncompleted building as the other villagers had said. "

The man added " I would have killed you and absolutely nothing will happen"

Throughout my stay in that town , I felt like a chicken walking among human beings that could be slaughtered at any time.

That's the only reason I did not stay back in Kano after wards.

E don tey wey God don dey save me!!!

He said he was

Trap.

Certainly under the influence of drugs. Drug usage actually makes you vulnerable to demonic possession as your mind cant be gaurded when you are inoxicated.

Gradually the lines become blurred and the demon takes over fully.

Nobody everybody dey normal these days.
Na to just dey waka jeje. And observe wella.

EreluRoz:
You are just insecure that's all.

I get pissed whenever I see a man typing hardworking to describe a lady. Men of these days are just after women to drain, if not for the harsh society a woman is naturally not created to work.

Modern men are just after women that will take up their role, it's the mentality for me, so disgusting.

If a woman chooses to work, it's to take care of herself and not for any man to come leech on. Mtcheww

You have a point but do you know that a lady choosing to work, deprives the man of more time to explore other business opportunities when the kids have arrived.

Because both are working , both also have to jointly take babysit the kids...to the man's disadvantage.