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xreal:
Make I park here because I know say 9ja will make this list.

A country that even it's president is a tourist will make the list??

pharmacy

WTF

If I die and I come back, I will still want to be YORUBA














Unlike some who must always develop India by all means

Nice...

Interesting thread....

givbitcoin:
Call me your compatriot.

I'm your friend. A true Nigerian who yearns for peace and progress of his country.

I'll be glad to share my opinion and that of those I represent, on the way out of the nation's present predicament.

It's natural for siblings to have misunderstanding at times. What makes all the difference is how they reconcile their differences.

Nigeria is like a human body. Each part needs the other. For this reason, the federal government should look beyond the agitation for Biafra to find out the reason for their agitation.

Set up a commit that will investigate their source of fund. If their sponsors can be traced and arrested, the boys will go and look for decent job to do. On her part, the government should do more towards engaging Nigerian youths with gainful employment. When they are busy, they won't have time for nonsense.

To achieve this, we need a visionary leader whose policies will be potent enough to suppress corruption and insurgency without fear or favour, and at the same time, promote economic growth

If Buhari is medically unfit to continue with the good work he started in 2015, the presidency should be fair to Nigerians by saying so. At such, since power rotation has turned North, the good people of this country will have no problem to get a credible replacement from the North while osibanjo continues as vice.

The constitution might have said something like a vice succeeding his boss if the later is incapacitated. But obviously, such political correctness, if followed, will only plunge the nation into deeper crises for several reasons.

1st, osibanjo is a political tenderfoot. Worse than his inexperience is his obvious lack of courage to lead the nation out the present quagmire. A man who cannot say boo to a goose will certainly have no answer to our present economic and political needs.

This is the time for Yoruba elders to demonstrate their statesmanship by guiding osibanjo in the direction of peace and fairness.

So you admit the constitution gives Osinbanjo the right to ascend if Buhari passes on yet you want us to waive that, while on the other hand you denouce IPOBS by saying the constitution does not allow for a referendum to be conducted




Talk about talking with both sides of the mouth!

givbitcoin:
I'll take some pictures and upload soon

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omohayek:
As I noted earlier, there is simply no reason why the government should be the primary mover behind infrastructure, and looking at the industrial history of other countries shows that the private sector can handle it superbly, given an encouraging regulatory environment. The Nigerian fixation on government as the answer to all problems is a legacy of the oil boom happening just when socialism was at the height of fashion in the Third World.

I see..

There would be a need to place high piority on security then...

ColonelDrake:
The war only exist in your wildest imagination. At least I have created an awareness for the average yoruba christian, agnostic and traditionalists to be weary of you yoruba muslims. That's the main thing. Deep down you know it is truth even though you'd prefer I hide it. We are different. Even those that have been calling for restructuring are Christians. How do you explain the ratio of Gej versus Buhari votes in the SW. It shows how Yoruba Christians and Muslims have different ideologies. Don't lie to my face telling me it doesn't matter or it doesn't exist. Only very few Christians and liberals like me voted buhari. But more than 95% Muslims voted Buhari ditto for Christians and Gej. We have different ideologies. Take it or leave it.

I don't like this - support odua online to pretend that we are up for restructuring while behind the scenes we are endorsing one Nigeria and forming unity beggars. while at it, we are still licking aboki ass and are their foot soldiers.

The boldened shows me you do not live in Yoruba Land.


Like many others have said, your divisive plan isn't going to work.

Yorubas in Diaspora will have an integral role to play in the new country, if nothing else, for their technical skills.


I think we will also need to massively overhaul our educational system and eliminate redundant courses. Man, those periods are certainly going to be.... tight.

omohayek:
"All well and good", you might say, "I like your fiscal policy rules, and the institution for oversight is great, but what prevents a government from ignoring such independent assessments and ramming its unjustifiable plans through anyway?" Here I'll have to put my hands up and simply say that at the end of the day, it all boils down to how vigilant the citizenry are willing to be. No system of checks and balances can ever completely compensate for a citizenry that abdicates its responsibility to hold its government accountable, and here is where the importance of high quality mass education must be stressed. The average secondary school graduate (not just the university degree holder) needs to know the essentials of the constitution and the basic workings of the government well enough to reasonably follow the activities of the executive, the legislature and the judiciary; the man and woman on the street must be well versed enough in such matters as to be outraged when would-be populists try to undermine these pillars of government, or steer the country on a reckless course.

It is in this matter of mass education in the principles of good government that we see perhaps the worst failing of Nigerian governance. Try to strip Englishmen of the liberties enshrined in their Bill of Rights, or to deprive an American of the rights listed in the American equivalent, and the outrage you unleash will be so ferocious you'll find yourself scrambling for safety. With the typical Nigerian, on the other hand, such principles are so poorly understood, and seem so abstract, that attempts to avert jungle justice or executive overreach are always met with idiotic responses such as "who human rights epp?" or "to hell with rule of law!" Nigerians value the constitutional rights they have so little that many would gladly have them all stripped away if a self-appointed savior in uniform would only step forward and make empty promises to "end corruption", and they think this way even though none of the other such saviors in the past have ever kept the promises they made in their time. As annoying as one finds such ignorant statements, the sad truth is that those who make them simply don't know any better, thanks to a terrible educational system, and governments that actually prefer that the masses remain in docile ignorance of their rights and what they should be able to demand of their rulers.

To create a mass of citizens who will have what it takes to become the ultimate guarantors of good government, lessons in civics, economics and history will have to take a prominent place right alongside basics such as reading and mathematics. It will no longer be sufficient to be able to slice and dice equations, regurgitate chemical formulae, or churn out cleverly worded essays, without having the capacity to grasp the essential political issues of the day and offer coherent opinions on them. In the new, largely mono-ethnic state, citizens should no longer have the option of falling back on the crutches of place of origin or religion as a means of avoiding having to actually think about the issues; the "our kinsman" mentality will die an overdue death only when voters are able to grasp that a candidate's policies can be far more important than where he or she is from.

Ultimately, there is no policy framework that can save a people determined on foolishness from undermining themselves, and no educational system that is guaranteed to preserve a nation from folly - a harsh truth we've seen illustrated in the western world over the past year, first with Brexit, and then the election of a racist, narcissistic, orange buffoon as President of the United States: for all the care and attention America's founders put into crafting their constitution, with its separation of powers, enshrinement of rights and obligations on political office-holders, 60 million Americans opted for a three-time bankrupt charlatan with no record of holding office, an ignoramus who demonstrated many times over, in the course of campaigning, his lack of fitness for even the role of county clerk, let alone the most powerful political job in the world. What hope, then, for a young, poor African country? In the end it comes down to how hard each of us, as individuals, is willing to fight for this shared vision of how a country should run, having been given all the necessary educational and institutional tools for the fight. If "Baba Tola" and "Mama Iyabo" decide they want to elect a Yoruba Hugo Chavez or Donald Trump, they should at least be doing so with the knowledge that they are breaking all the principles drilled into them back in their school days, and acknowledge that those principles made sense, whatever lame rationalizations they may now come up with for ignoring the principles in question.

Your second paragraph was bitter but nothing but the honest truth.

However perhaps all we need to avoid is extreme polarization of political parties like the USA and UK??
I'm trying to reason how we can avoid the mistakes of others by learning from them.



Your emphasis on a massive reorientation towards education is commendable but how do you balance the cost of this with the new infrastructural demands of a new country. We all know quality education is not cheap. How exactly do we "sell" the idea of education to a people disillusioned already by the horseshit standard called education in Nigeria??

I think ColonelDrake needs to learn a bit of civility. Highly disappointing.....


Let us color this thread with religious sentiments. We are Yoruba Before any other tag......

upperboi:
Outofsync:

Nigeria right now is walking on eggshells. This thread is to put the house in order and iron out pertinent issues for the seeming eventuality of Nigeria's breakage.

And we've been advocating for restructuring and a return to regionalism for a while now.

If it isn't implemented, I see no reason for us not to secede. Nigeria is seriously dragging our region backwards. Imagine if UI , OAU, UNILAG and FUTA were getting the proper funding they deserve, then we should be dragging top 10 position in Africa.

note that within Nigeria contest the region is sitting among top 5 economy in Nigeria, now with the region outside Nigeria we should contest for top 3 conveniently.

This thread is back!!!


Yes!!


Seems like Sanity is returning to the mods.

Recruiting suicide bomber again??
I don't understand,is it they ask them to bring their CV or what??

Not surprised one bit....

Lol.
Bullshit!!
The only major reason Ajimobi won was because he was an Ibadan indigene..
Couple that with akala's wanton wasting of human lives, PDP had no say really.

Same old same old

Wow....

Some how I'm not surprised...

Kfed4ril:
Yes they are
But you should also know that this thing called south south is just a political zone formed by the illiterate Fulani,
I will like you to go and study Nigeria map well, you will find out what I just said about south south, because see no reason why Edo should be in south south

Ahh I see. But to be fair, Edo does seem to be sharing border closeness to other south South States or perhaps its just my prejudiced eyes.

I agree South South is a needless political zone, just like North Central. However, most of the tribes there seem to have embraced it ..

jiangchu:
i dont like the idea of a yoruba nation. we yorubas should be more open to the minorities as they feel more comfortable with us than any other major tribe in nigeria. the SS and middle belt will be part of us. and we all are going to write a new constitution that we will all agreed upon. i don't want a tribal country. just want an egalitarian country.

Nah man.

We want to avoid cries of marginalization.

Best we remain seperate.

Honestly our predecessors had eagle vision.

In the Ibadan conference of 1950, where representatives from all parts of the country came together to form a constitution, the view was

The General Conference was of the view that over-centralisation would be a grave error "in this vast country with its widely differing conditions and needs", and that the policy which had received enthusiastic support throughout the country was the policy of achieving unity at the Centre through strength in the Regions. It was confidently expected that when the Regions felt that they had wide powers to run their own regional affairs, they would be more likely ready to co-operate with the other Regions through their representatives in the Council of Ministers and the House of Representatives in serving the interest of Nigeria as a whole".



Until we go back to the original plan, we're merely playing the ostrich.

sukkot:
strong points but the oduduwa gatekeepers have to be removed. these people are also corrupt. its like doing the same thing and expecting a different result. you need personnel change and draconian laws drafted to keep people in check and you need to make a few examples out of some people jerry rawlings style and be ready at all times to use violence to keep looters in check. thats the only way to fix the rotten state we have all become. anything short of that and this proposal is just like putting plaster on a bullet wound

You have made good points.

However one of the reasons why it seems we're not talking much against corrupt leaders is because the system (Nigeria) itself is corrupt. For example, Jagaban is no saint yet most Yorubas don't condemn him because bad as he was, he still looked out for our interest and has certainly helped Lagos State get to where it is, if nowhere else. Same with OBJ.

Actually I believe the same mentality exists in the North for Abacha and IBB, despite their evils.

it's the system see.

Kfed4ril:
Efik/ibibio are similar but efik urhobo are very different, and no similarities at all

Thanks man. But they're all still South south Brothers right??

sukkot:
oh ok, i thought i was recruited to give them an asswhooping lmao. aiittt so back to the constitution. is yall niggas actually thinking about seceding from nigeria ? like for real for real ? why ? oduduwa is nigeria, we dont need to secede

Nigeria right now is walking on eggshells. This thread is to put the house in order and iron out pertinent issues for the seeming eventuality of Nigeria's breakage.

And we've been advocating for restructuring and a return to regionalism for a while now.

If it isn't implemented, I see no reason for us not to secede. Nigeria is seriously dragging our region backwards. Imagine if UI , OAU, UNILAG and FUTA were getting the proper funding they deserve, then we should be dragging top 10 position in Africa.

OgaBuhari:
efik and ibibio are not minority.. It's your Yoruba that's a minority. Nonsense

I don't even need to guess the tribe you're from..

Mujtahida:
Awolowo holds the key. Ignore him to your own peril. If only that man had governed Nigeria!

Nigeria is chock full of "what if.... "

sukkot:
from cat. we are the original lion of judah. thats why we dominate you igbos in every aspect of life. The lion is the king of the jungle. big cat

Ignore them man.

Rikidony:
EFIKS CAN BE FOUND MAINLY IN CALABAR,

IBIBIOS ARE FROM AKWA IBOM, BUT U CAN STILL FIND LARGE NUMBERS OF THEM IN CALABAR, IF U CAN SPEAK IBIBIO U CAN AS WELL UNDERSTAND EFIK. THE LANGUAGE ARE SO SIMILAR BUT WITH SMALL ADJUSTMENT.

MAYBE BECAUSE AKWA IBOM AND CROSS RIVER STATE WERE ONE BEFORE STATE CREATION.

PROUDLY AKWAIBOMITE

Ok thanks man. I get confused about minority tribes a lot TBH....

I had to recheck whether it is the same NL I used to know. So much intellectualism on this thread that it's almost unbelievable.

Kudos to you people man!

However some corrections I feel should be made are :

• The post of an Aare is largely redundant and might lead to heating up the polity unneccesarily. The ever present tussle between the Alaafin and the Ooni bears Testament to this.
Instead the Ooni should merely just be recognized as the Offical spiritual Oba and ile ife as the cradle of the Yoruba Race.
Not only will it finally put to rest saucy claims by revisionists over the origin of the Yoruba Race (Some idiots believe we come from Mecca or Middle East. Others claim Nimrod is Oduduwa and other annoying theories); it will also aid massively in tourism. We are after all, a very well represented tribe all over the world, something we are seriously underutilizing.

The tussle over who is the superior Oba will surely continue but with this, I think it will be severely limited.

• I think ColonelDrake is too unneccesarily harsh with his descriptions of Yoruba Muslims. I would remind him that MKO Anjola and other Yoruba leaders have been Muslim. Calling them asslickers and other saucy words will merely be counterproductive. Refine your words sir!!!

• The issue of Itshekiri is more convoluted than you're seeing it actually. Most Itshekiri's are lukewarm about Yorubas because they really do not know much about our culturally shared similarities and vice versa. I got the shock of my life when I saw a friend of mine from waari speak Yoruba rather well. I bet many have no idea Yoruba is spoken as far as Ghana and Sierra Leone. However, as of now they are an independent group and I respect their wishes

• The need for promoting our culture cannot be overemphasized. Despite the shyte standard of some Yoruba Nollywood movies, they are still doing a lot in popularising our culture. But we need more.

The world is shifting from the major abrahamic religion and is becoming more interested in exploring other gods. Me thinks this is a ripe opportunity for us.

After all we have 401 deities, a full pantheon with countless diverse stories. I strongly believe it is time to popularize them.
Imagine Thor made millions of dollars while we have shango.

What is the difference between 300 and the Jalumi war??
We have so many stories waiting to be told man...



In any and all case, we are lucky to have retained our spirit of oneness despite so many tribulations and envy of detractors. I have heard of Yorubas who have housed fellow Yorubas in diaspora which they had no idea of whom they were before. Such unity warms the heart.

I remain loyal to the OoduA nation (or whatever you call it).


Oodua o gbe wa o..

ZaraGift:
Efik has nothing in common with Urhobo, maybe you mean Itsekiri

So it's Urhobo/Itsekiri

barongmj:
Effik, ibibio......cross river


Urhobo....delta

Nice but what is the difference between them??

Like I've heard people classifying Efik/Ibibio as one and I've also heard Efik/Urhobo as one too.

Do they speak the same language or....