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Henry240:
Crowds of Gambian waving the Nigerian flag.

these are the kind of pictures that we want to see. Gentlemen there you have it, The Nigerian Backed Intervention in the Gambia have led to the removal of the Gambian Dictator Mr Yahaya Jammeh and for this reason the Gambian people cannot hold back their joy as they wave the colors of our nationhood. There is nothing anybody can say about it. Gambia is a textbook example of how to remove a dictator peacefully.

jakeporeshenko:
Senegalese UN soldiers in Ivory Coast

this guys are very good example of a standardised Army. And thanks to their peaceful power show in Gambia they will enjoy a lot of UN peace keeping role in the future. I am very much impressed. During the Librarian Debacle the Librarians begged and pleaded for the Senegalese troops to stay back when they wanted to pull out due to the presidential election in Senegal.Most of the Military commentators then, described them as "very professional" they didn't partake in the widespread looting that was going on as at that time even among ECOMOG Troops.
Read more at: https://www.hrw.org/reports/1993/liberia/
Specifically paragraph 13

Patchesagain:
Terry C-B is a ideologue, his brain is wired the same way as a religious fundamentalist. He is irrational and unreasonable.

He is a pacifist and (worst of all) a LEFTIST that believes that South Africa should disband the SANDF completely and exist like the collection of failed states in South America that do not have militaries (Haiti, Guatemala etc)

He is the guy behind the Arms deal enquiry and the various attempts to uncover corruption. While I respect and applaud his efforts, his inability to leave the issue alone after the Constitutional Court (very politely) told him to Fvck off illistrates my first point - he is irrational, a fanatic.

His assessment as to our Military Industrial Complex is ridiculously biased and based on ideology as apposed to fact.

Mattys Jacobs has provided a more balanced and reasonable explanation that revolves around market forces and structural problems within our militiary-industrial complex.

Basically,

- we dont have any banks that will finance our sales to other countries hence we can only sell big orders to people who "buy cash", which is a tiny market.
- This problem is magnified by an underfunded SANDF who do not give out the consistent orders on top-shelf Denel products, which means that Denel cant establish Economies of Scale to bring down unit costs and expand our market
- nor can it fund the R& it needs to maintain a large portfolio of products at competitive prices
- meaning that Denel has to increasingly specialise in "mid-shelf" products
- which means that they now compete in a very small and highly competitive market
- which further hurts profits.

But lets be honest here, South Africa remains a Top 20 arms exporter and Denel is still in the top 100 biggest defense firms in the world, I would hardly call sales "poor".

Its just that we arent reaching full potential.

wow. You must hate the guy.

please we need a Researcher vast in the field of Engineering to construct a Garden Tiller prototype

Henry240:
ECOMIG troops from Senegal in Gambia.

we should never again deploy where there is no glory to be recorded. imagine that funny Senegalese Commander waited for those yeye politicians from Mauritania to be negotiating even after the ultimatum was past. a Nigerian Commander won't do that. a Nigerian Commander would take control of state house Gambia. ship Jammeh back here to Nigeria where he will stay on house arrest while attending to his cases on the ICC, after all, most of his favourite legal advisors are here in Nigeria. I never supported the deployment of troops to Gambia but allowing that Insolent Basta#d the chance and luxury of dictating terms even after we have deployed is not the way to go in a Military intervention. when we went to Sierra Leone the first thing we did was to take hold of Freetown. state house Gambia was the price and the Senegalese Commander didn't take it. when I saw the speed with which ECOWAS deployed I felt that by the morning of January 20th State house Gambia would be in the control of troops from friendly countries. but now they are talking about allowing him to retire and live within Gambia. so he can start a bloody insurgency in that tiny country(there is nothing that a man that can use hair shampoo to cure AIDS can't do) to me the whole ecowas operation was a failure because we didn't lead it, if you like cry.

Nok234:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-vK9lzypIA

Hehehe just to see footages like this is the reason why some warmongers in here are calling for an intervention. very nice footage.

AskProf:
Junk imbecility... Do you even have an infantile idea of what B52 is?

imagine the Arrow. B52 I mean what is he even saying? he is purely an imbecilic war monger on the loose.

Odunayaw:
I do not know if you are on jammeh's advisory team but I believe dz man knoweth what he is doing

meanwhile... what do you see Jammeh as - a good Shepherd?

I know you are very happy to see an expeditionary Nigerian Armed forces. i know you are a military enthusiast and a war in West Africa is good news for your hobby. well if things get out of hand you would soon see more than you can take in.

Odunayaw:
oga do u remember June 12 in Nigerian history?
hell a man basking in d lust of power would say anything to keep that throne
what more did Jammeh want -to rule Gambia on scholarship?
if the election was influenced did he challenge it in ECOWAS court?
this man is stroking d whiskers of tyranny and you are seeing the good side of it?

he is a tyrant. that is all you see.

Odunayaw:
gentlemen this Jammeh had several opportunities to speak out to the ECOWAS committee and he didn't
we r always quick to play the blame game..yes America is Jezebel but still a leader of country mustn't think with his anus. If he loves his country like he claims he would have used one of d various life lines given to him

me think Jammeh is used to d luxury of head of state and doesn't want to let go

Jammeh the sitting head of state said the election was influenced and to that extent being a Head of State under the ECOWAS body, these claims should have been investigated. a war in Gambia would not make ECOWAS stronger. if this were to have happened in a European country i bet you there would be no such military intervention it would be settled in the European court. but ECOWAS would spend their resources to remove Jammeh and then throw him to the hands of the self righteous West who have always wanted to grab his neck at the Hagues.

tdayof:
Monday 25 July 1994
BANJUL - A US warship took the ousted Gambian President, Sir Dawda Jawara, from Banjul to Dakar yesterday while the leader of the coup which toppled him received ambassadors and religious leaders.
Senegal said it had granted Sir Dawda and his family political asylum. The US tank-landing ship La Moure County carried Sir Dawda, the first of his two wives Lady Chilele Jawara, and about 14 of his 19 children as well as senior officials to the capital of neighbouring Senegal.

Religious figures who met coup leader Lieutenant Yayeh Jameh said he told them that he and Sir Dawda had spoken but failed to agree terms for the president to return. They said Lieutenant Jameh told them that Sir Dawda had offered to come back and 'rectify his mistakes' but Lieutenant Jameh insisted he could only return as a private citizen.

Sir Dawda fled to the US ship after army officers on Saturday announced a coup against him, after what had begun as a rampage through Banjul on Friday by soldiers demanding back pay for peace-keeping duties in Liberia.

Gambia is bordered on three sides by Senegal and on the fourth by the Atlantic Ocean. Its beaches are a popular tourist destination. Some 1,500 British holidaymakers were able to telephone home as international services were restored yesterday, but they could not leave as Banjul's airport and Gambia's borders remained closed.

A British diplomat in Banjul reported that there had been 'no violence at all' in the coup. A British tour operator, Stephen Wilde, said: 'There is no panic and the only people who are concerned are people whose holidays were due to end today. We're hoping to bring them out on Tuesday.'

Lieutenant Jameh received the British High Commissioner and the Senegalese ambassador, who brought a message from President Abdou Diouf to the new four-member provisional ruling council saying Senegal, which sent troops to halt an attempt to oust Sir Dawda in 1981, would not interfere this time.

Officials said 10 Nigerian officers working with the military had been placed under house arrest. They included the former commander of the 800-strong Gambian army, Colonel Boubakar Dada, who was preparing to leave Gambia. His replacement, Colonel Lawan Gwadabe who took office last month, is currently in Nigeria.

A private radio station broadcast a communique appealing to people to report for work today and asking permanent secretaries to assume the duties of government ministers who have fled or are under detention. The capital was calm, the market was open and people were going about their business normally. An overnight curfew was in force between 7pm and 7am.

Officials said the finance minister and inspector general of police were also on the US ship. They said the justice minister had been arrested, as had the information minister and Vice President Saihou Sabally. The Education Minister, Alieu Badjie, gave himself up on Saturday morning. The Interior Minister, Lamine Kiti Jabang, took refuge in Senegal's southern province of Casamance, near the Gambian border.

Sir Dawda returned to Banjul on Thursday from a holiday at his London residence. He was prime minister when Gambia gained independence from Britain in 1965, and became president when it became a republic in 1970.

On Saturday the British government 'strongly deplored' the mutiny, and the Commonwealth said the coup represented a tragedy for Gambia

if Jammeh as the president of Gambia is questioning the credibility of Gambian electoral body to conduct a free and fair election in Gambia, then he is legally covered. Jammeh should begin to show evidence of foreign influence in the just concluded election and the ECOWAS body should begin to look beyond Khaki Diplomacy to settle the Gambian issue

this piece would give you a break down of what we all stand to lose if we militarily intervene in Gambia and the legal provision that ECOWAS is denying Jammeh.
https://www.nairaland.com/3580344/why-nigeria-must-not-support

Here is a piece i wrote for the Nigerian Observer daily on the Gambian question.
Henry240 , timelezz , tiwaz helinues Emassive dainformant yemmybx tyokunbo and others who have shown great interest in the Gambian question should take note of Article 12 of the ECOWAS PROTOCOL ON DEMOCRACY AND GOOD GOVERNANCE

Why Nigeria must not support a Military Intervention in Gambia.

I.A Stephen

This December Gambia, a tiny West African Nation, surrounded by Senegal to its North, South and East, held its first presidential election. This led to the emergence of Adama Barrow of the United Democratic Party (UDP) as the President elect.
Prior to the election Gambians and the International Community in general shared the fear that Yahaya Jammeh The Incumbent President of Gambia would not relinquish his seat as the President of the Gambia, but to the initial surprise of his people and the international community, President Yahaya Jammeh came out to concede defeat to Adamma Barrow the candidate of the UDP, many who celebrated the initial triumph of democracy in Gambia, called it a good season for democracy in West Africa applauding the successful elections in Ghana and Nigeria where opposition candidates emerged as President elects with the incumbent President in both cases conceding defeat, were disappointed when Jammeh rose up later to challenge the election results, President Jammeh described the election process and results as “influenced” by foreign actors.
The fear of a political crisis in Gambia have forced leaders of the ECOWAS sub-region to hold talks with President Jammeh in Gambia, with the President of Nigeria named the Chief Mediator. The President of the West African Commision Alain Souza have since suggested that military options are not off the table if President Jammeh still refuses to honour the results of the election even the mediation efforts by ECOWAS fails to stop Jammeh from holding on to power.
Addressing the issue of the Gambian Presidential election, ECOWAS should thread with caution as the claims by Jammeh that the election was influenced should be taken seriously. The commission should investigate these claims made by a sitting Head of State, that, the election conducted by the electoral body under his Government may have been compromised. If Jammeh is able to provide reasonable evidence to back such claims as he is making , if Jammeh can provide enough evidence to substantiate the facts that a foreign power somewhere have in one way or the other influenced the just concluded election, If Jammeh as the Gambian Head of State have reasons to believe that the election conducted under his government was not free, fair or credible enough as to warrant his handing over office to the candidate produced by the election, then the ECOWAS Commission should be concerned about the capacity of electoral bodies in West Africa to conduct free, fair and credible elections.
ECOWAS, if provided with reasonable evidence of foul play in the just concluded Gambian elections, instead of supporting the idea of a military intervention, ECOWAS should form a committee to put things in place for the conduct of a re-run election in Gambia, to be conducted by a neutral and independent electoral body to be created and supervised by ECOWAS. If the Gambians do not want Jammeh as their President in the first election, I am quite sure their opinion won’t change in the second election.
The mistake of using military force to remove sitting Presidents in Africa is becoming a popular “fail” that we must begin to reconsider. If Jammeh claims are true that a foreign power is influencing election results in West Africa, then leaders of the West African region should be very concerned, if this is a problem for Gambia today, it may become a problem for another West African Nation tomorrow.
While Alain Souza, the President of the ECOWAS commission is mulling the idea of a Senegal led intervention into Gambia, we should all know this one thing about the Armed Forces of Senegal especially their Army which is regularly being trained and equipped by the United States in its claimed anti terror efforts in Africa. The irony of this is, while the United States is frustrating the Counter terrorism efforts of Nigeria which have been battling attacks from Islamic terrorism for the past few years, by blocking Nigeria from purchasing the much needed western military hardware needed for her anti-terror efforts. The United State have been training and funding the Armed forces of Senegal in a claimed Counter Terrorist effort even though Senegal is not directly threatened by any of the known Islamic Terror groups.
One could easily guess that terrorism is not the primary reason why the United States is training and funding a country not affected by terrorism for a war against terror, while those fighting the true war against terror are being abandoned by this same Foreign Power. The proximity of Senegal to Gambia being that they share major land borders is reason enough for any Foreign Power that is claiming to be “championing Democracy” to want to use the Senegalese Military as a tool to remove their long time rival and Dictator even if it takes influencing elections or going against the wishes of the Gambian people , or using military force either directly or indirectly.
We watched the same thing happen in Libya, where Terrorists posing as anti-government Rebels where assisted to topple a sitting Government, without having an effective master plan in place to prevent an escalation of the already volatile situation in that country. Africa, especially some North and Western African States have been facing terror attacks from terrorist that were radicalised, trained and equipped in Libya. What we see now as terrorism and insurgency in North and West Africa is the aftermath of the failed state situation that Libya was thrown into after the foreign backed removal of Gadaffi from power, which saw terrorist groups gaining access to Government owned heavy stock pile of weapons in the ensuing anarchy, these terrorists later used these weapons to wage a destructive Jihad in North and West Africa. These are the weapons we now see in use by Terrorists groups such as Boko Haram, Al Ansaru and other Dangerous terror groups that are presently operating in West Africa.
Democracy is more democratic if the election process to back it up is fairly and credibly conducted by a non bias and Independent electoral commission. The question ECOWAS should be asking at this point is; where these the conditions under which the just concluded Gambian Presidential election was conducted? If not, then we should look towards conducting a re-run election with a credible, neutral and independent electoral body. We should not be too quick to turn Gambia into another Libya. The competence of an electoral body created by ECOWAS to conduct elections in Gambia can be found in Article 12, page 9-10 of the ECOWAS Protocol on Democracy and Good Governance.

Wale. so you are still here peddling your delusions? Ghana will invade where? how? the only pictures of military activities we ve seen on the Gambian issues is coming from Nigeria

Timelezz:
Steve o. Never saw it from this perspective, bro.

But I get the picture. More like the big 5 in Africa having a "gentleman agreement" not to assume the leadership position in the AU.

I think it makes sense. And it's been a while since we met at "Who has the strongest military in Africa".

Thanks alot.

long time no see my brother. That thread ( who have the strongest...) Reflects everything that is wrong with African unity and as such I am avoiding it.

Timelezz:
Senegal to lead ECOWAS troops as Nigeria seeks logistics support from the UK.

In an unprecedented fashion within the ECOWAS regional bloc were Nigeria has always played the leading role in military campaign in Africa, the Gambian crisis offers a different challenge.

As thousands of Gambians begin to flee the country amidst increasing fears neighbouring West African states would invade the country after President Yahya Jammeh refuses to relinquish power after losing election last month.

Nigeria has asked the British government whose Military has been training some battalions of the Nigerian army in logistics to combatting boko haram for assistance in planning a "rapid reaction" military invasion into Gambia to install Adama Barrow.

Senagal is likely to lead the proposed West African mission even though Nigeria would be providing the bulk of the troops.

Sources indicate Nigeria has readied 800 strongmen battalion for the mission to Gambia which has just 900 soldiers.

The Gambia has seen top cabinet members resign like ministers of information and foreign affairs as some soldiers were also seen drinking in jubilation at Jammah's electoral woes.

Source: https://leslieodega.

Timelezz:
You're confusing yourself. And I still repeat Senegal does not have the experience or battle readiness of small Chad. Neither do they have the equipment you talk about. Except you're comparing them to Gambia.



This is an army Saudi Arabia has been using to guard pilgrimage sites for years.

Has Senegal led any international troops in any combative operation? Answer is no. Do they have real combat experience and readiness like Chad or Nigeria ?
Answer is still no. How many Senegalese troop has seen real combat?
Please don't all peacekeeping missions here.

You are prating about M16 as if it's the default riffle the average Senegalese army carries
That's not true. Only a tiny amount of Senegalese troops carry M16
Their APC include 8: Casspir
26: Ratel-20
6: HM-2 105 mm and 6: M116 75 mm pack for the whole military.

You're a tourist who fell in love with Senegal.

You should be talking about Darka rally, you sound like an African describing a blizzard to an Eskimo when you prate about military affairs!

Mynd44:
Gambia is basically inside senegal so Senegal should lead naturally

a little history lesson for you guys.
it is not the Nigerian thing to lead military interventions in West Africa, and the Nigerian Government tries very much to avoid it. A big power like Nigeria leading a Military intervention in Gambia would cause distrust and a feeling of insecurity amongst our smaller West African allies, they do be like " so if we just get small fu#k up na so these guys go handle our matter. it is a better show of leadership that we handled the diplomatic intervention. let's leave Military intervention for Senegal.
BTW we never led the ecomog mission to Liberia at first. the Ghanaians led it, but they had to step down cus Nigeria was providing the bulk of the funding and troops. and I think we may soon see that replay itself in the Gambian case.

I need 50 pieces.

Henry240:
Neither Nigeria or South-Africa has the military capability to launch an attack on one another. However that been said, I'll like to clear your post.


The Republic of South-Africa as we know it today, is nothing, in no area compared to the South-Africa under Apartheid. The SADF under Apartheid was actually the force to be feared with the government at that time spending 5% of GDP on defence. The current SANDF is a hugpurge of a bunch of freedom fighters, barely trained MK fighters who were integrated into what is now the SANDF. Most of the old white fighters have basically left the SADF to Australia, NZL or to become Private Military Contractors(PMCs). Basically mercenaries for hire.


On the other hand, we've had a militarily active force for the past 23 years. Our army has been engaged in one campaign or the other in across Africa and in Nigeria for these past years.

South-Africa doesn't have any decent Air Defence apart from the Gripens (I'll get to the Gripens in a bit). In terms of number of tanks, we far outnumber them. They basically operate just over a hundred Centurion tanks, they call it the Olifant in RSA.

In artillery pieces, in Tank Killers (AFVs) we also outnumber them. What RSA has more than Nigeria are IFVs and APCs (MRAPs). When we take into account our experience and a large pool of battle tested personnel, our generals are also better battlefield tacticians. We would beat them fare and square.


<b> On the Gripen, RSA has 26 Gripens, with 12 on continuous rotation, leaving 12 available for combat, they also only have 9 qualified Gripen pilots, just 9 for 26 Fighters. </b>That's not an advantage, especially when you consider they signed for the Gripen in 1999. It means, they don't have the intellectual pool to fly the Gripens. In Nigeria, we have no such problems, we got more pilots than planes, and our air force is by no means small by an African standard. We've also recently ordered the JF-17, the JF-17s are in the same class as the Gripen, with very similar capabilities. Most experts say it is about 80% of the f-16 Block 52+, one of the latest F-16 models.


Egypt on this continent is playing in a different league, the Egyptians have over 260 F-16s and have ordered 36 Rafales, they have more Main Battle Tanks than some cities have people. Egypt is light years ahead of everyone in Africa.

Algeria also has a military that is better than either South-Africa or Nigeria.

In actual reality if Nigeria were to go to war with South-Africa which thankfully none of the countries have the ability to wage war against the other, such a conflict would likely end in a stale mate.

we ordered for. Russia ordered for Chopper carrier from France and never got it. We offended for does not count. 9 Ripens may be all it takes to rain shit down on our EEZ and send our economy to the bottom of the ocean. 2 submarine may be all it takes to send our offshore assets down below. When you are talking about battle between nigeria and South Africa don't talk about Tanks or APC cus that scenario may never come up. A battle between Nigeria and SA will be fought in the Air and sea.

Henry240:
On what basis are you claiming they are military stronger than Nigeria?

It seems a bunch of photos of white South Africans in my thread is skewing your thought process.

they have a very advanced defense industry and in the event of war
That is all that matters. When you are surrounded with sanctions and failing resources to keep buying weapons the inability for you to produce your weapons is a big minus. They presently have one of the most developed guided munition industry in Africa. While we still find it hard to get these stuff. What if we suffer sanctions from the BRICs in going to war against them and we cant get weapons from Russia people China. Would that not place them in a very much van staged position to hit us hard. What do we have in the area of Air defense is the Roland's? Those things are Cold war relics Na. We have Alpha jets, how far can they go? Do we have Ariel refueling capability? Do you think in the event of war we would hit the south Africans with anything at all. Think of anything in the Nigerian Arsenal that can hit South Africa. They can destroy our assets in the EEZ with their long ranged subs rendering us moniless. If common militant can reduce our oil production what do you think a capable conventional force will do

bidexiii:
Please iam I the only one experiencing these nairaland cloud or bad gate.....

stop trying to access nairaland through busy links like the home link or pol section link. Use the foreign affair link always.

darknetcom:
its time we forget this pan african rubbish...

south africa dont behave like an african nation...

we should invade and conquer them for the peace of the black-race....

South Africa is a Militarily strong and advanced country compared to Nigeria. Invading South Africa would not be possible for Nigeria except we form Alliances with countries who are relatively strong and are able to deliver a deadly punch.


On the other hand. Nigeria can also take advantage of the abundance of trade opportunity and exchange of technology between Nigeria and South Africa instead of going to war.

Why you dey fool yourself and your parents now?
Shey Na that flag Na im be the main Book Haram flag. Abi u forget the one wey im dey use wen him sit down dey read Koran?

jln115:
Damages so far: (just in my area...Ruiterbos)

Hundreds of livestock
Thounds of hectares of
2 Houses

BTW this area use to be awash with fynbos...now looks like a black desert!

scotch earth. Hope it doesn't get past where it has reached already. Or else it may be worse than the Canadian fire. How come you guys went as far as Canada to support the fire rescue team but back at home from the photos you are posting look like there is no official rescue team in sight. I remembersomeone posting a pics of South African fire fighters going to help out in Canada earlier this year.

Merry Xmas though. Look like your own Santa clause would be riding a fire truck

I graduated and got a job weeks after. Thank you lord.

Bellydeen:
(girl) in Northern Nigeria when
she was the only one in class
after school hours.
Our Reporters
said "this snake was sent by her
mothers best friend who could
not give birth for over 20 years
of marriage so she took her best
friend only child so she could
have a partner"

lol u mumu sha. But u nor get blog Na. Why d mumuing about?

gc

How did it spoil your day? Have you not heard of bird stew? Oga fry that meat and eat.

Henry240:
We would not forcefully seek regime change in Gambia. That's not a Nigerian diplomatic route. We would offer the Gambian leader a place in Calabar if things escalate, but then again i don't see that happening.


There would be no force deployed in Gambia. This isn't an option on the table.

If there are concrete evidences of Western interferences like Jammeh claims, he would present the evidence to the Presidents of Nigeria, SLR, Liberia and Ghana.


Let us see how diplomacy plays out. However for a fact, I don't believe Nigeria would allow a forceful regime change in Gambia. It's not the right option to take.

Force would be deployed in Gambia if:
Supporters of one party starts an uprising which leads to an Humanitarian crisis.
If Jameh agrees to rerun the election under ECOWAS supervision to prevent foreign influence( Jameh may believe it would be hard for his opponents foreign benefactor to buy ECOWAS).
If Crisis ensues while Jameh is still pleading to his other West African Colleague's that there was a foreign agenda to place a foreign controlled surrogate at the helm of affair in West Africa. The ECOWAS leaders would begin to see it as regional politics and would not want a foreign interventive force to come in, stabilize peace and monitor elections these won't go down well with the ECOWAS leaders because any election conducted under the presence of a foreign power may be seen as "influenced" by the ECOWAS heads.
So force may be considered.

IbnSultaan:
Is the ECOWAS standby force in Abj still active, will the be deployed to Gambia if the need arise

all fingers are crossed. Jameh supporters better not start an uprising because that may force the ECOWAS Heads to consider peace keeping which would eventually lead to peace enforcement and then an ECOWAS and UN supervised General Election. Actually we are very good at this. We ve been defending democracy in West Africa by kicking out greedy Dictators even from our days of Military Dictatorship. As per whether the ECOWAS peace keeping force is still active, it does not have to be active. So long as all party to the ECOWAS treaty have agreed to it creation and the condition for its deployment . it would be called up when the need arise.

nemesis2u:
wrote a biggggg comparision about ada versus c/c++ (for avionics) above a few posts earlier

u missed it completely

feel free to join the party
nobody here is interested in technical stuffs it seems only photos

oh. I didn't see your earlier post. Thought you are asking about the various languages used for military applications. Yea we just want to see photos of some bad-ass Military tech. Keep it coming Boss I am Rooting for you straight from my couch control room.

africaken254:
why don't you close the several accounts you have with nairaland ! you are the one with multiple personality ,if you dont like this thread you should move to your south african forums.stop antagonizing those who contribute. ridiculing others wont stop this thread (we know your are the least contributing)

now they are dragging my position with me.

nemesis2u:
ru sure ?



anyways let the secrets be secrets

and then there is ADA which is a more secured language compared to the widely civilian used C++ . The US DOD outsourced the creation of ADA to Bell Tech and it is the language that powers most of the US Mil Apps.

chinese8107:
that means they are confident about that engine.At least it is not likely to conk out simultaneously.
a AL31F knock-off.but not in mass production

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