₦airaland Forum

Brendaniel:
But how would you say Igbos were attacked in the east by who and for what reason?

And why would a conflict that wasn't their concern have made them scared of running and leaving Lagos?

If you were an adult in 1993, you would have understood the scenario.

There were tension in the whole country and people thought it could snow ball into a civil war,like what happened in Algeria '1992 presidential election which was cancelled and led to war. Liberia and several other African countries were going through civil wars at that time.
Many people packed their properties and returned to their ancestral homelands and waited to see how things would turn out.

Many Igbos returning home with some of the valuable goods were attacked by Armed robbers (Fellow Igbos) when they reached their towns or close to their towns and their monies /properties stolen. These criminal acts had nothing to do with Politics but pure criminal
activities by local thieves who saw mass returnees of peoples from the cities with lots of cash at a time that there were no E-banking and people even withdrew their monies from the banks.

BossGerald:
Is that why you won't show us Ibadan and ondo airport??

Big for nothing states with nothing to show for it

Your reasoning shows how typical Nigerians think.

1) All States aren't meant to be doing the same things .

2) Airports shouldn't just be built for the sake of building Airports.
Most Airports in Nigeria are under utilized and the money for building unnecessary new Airports should have been channeled into addressing economic developments of these States.
Why did Ekiti State build that Airport when there already existing Airports close to the State like Akure Airport, Ibadan Airport and Murtalar Muhammed Airport Lagos?

The Millions spent by Ex-Gov Aregbesola to build a non-viable Airport at Ido-Osun, Osun State could have been spent on purchase of modern Agriculture Tractors and Harvesters.

slimfit1:
For who to take over you must be mad if anything we. Request the INEC professor be shot or do a recount or another election between Tinubu and Obi.

The 2023 is gone, prepare for 2007

There are so many private companies in rice production (which Dangote doesn't even do) like Umza, LAKE rice, Coscharis etc.
Dangote used to import Rice 20yeaers ago but has stopped long time to concentrate on Sugar and Cement, which are also produced by other companies like BUA, West African Lafarge etc

Erisco, Gino and several other companies are into Tomatoes paste production.

BUA is also building Refinery in A/Ibom and there are many small modular refineries.

Most Big Players like Dangote, Otedola, Innoson, Allen Onyeama, Emeka Offor, Ishaku Rabiu etc all benefit from Gov't Patronage and support.



Summary: You are just beefing Dangote.

Armaggedon:
Zik stood for regionalism and federalism with financial and legislative autonomy where the regions developed in their own pace. No contradictions.

One of the most confusing figures in Nigeria's history was Awolowo. He claimed he wanted secession and zik rejected. But when the opportunity presented itself during Biafra, the same Awolowo made a complete U-turn and and started fighting for a unitary one Nigeria as championed by gowon. His attitude justified Zik's opinions about him.

For those who claim his demand was in good faith, his demand was rediculous and he knew it. He was neither here no there. There is no sovereign state in the world that has secession in it's constitution. If he truly wanted his region to be alone he should have demanded a pre-independence referendum like southern Cameroon or pre-independence partitioning as in British India. Opting for a secession clause instead of pre-independence referendum clearly indicated lack of commitment to specific ideology from Awolowo. You can't officially keep one leg in the country and keeping one outside. A snake he was.

You don't have understanding of the subject.
Awolowo and the Acton Group (and indeed several other stakeholders) at the constitutional conference were unsure of the future of a new country put together by the British Colonislism and suggested a secession clause in the constitution to give guidelines and procedures for peaceful withdrawal from the Federation.

This was totally different from the civil war.
Awolowo was aversed to the civil war which was NOT about peaceful withdrawal from the Federation under any laid down rules (which a secession clause in the constitution would have achieved).

Kelechi009:
My Nigerian reputation precedes me every where I go when I am outside Nigeria, I don't know If you experienced any ill treatment because of the Nigerian passport but I do experience it and I realise no matter where I run to, I will always be tagged a Nigerian who comes from a poverty ravaged country.

Secondly, I realise the lump sum I make abroad doesn't carry much weight except when invested in Nigeria. A cousin of mine just opened a big bar in Lagos from the income he realised abroad for 6 years, my worry is all these investments will all come to waste if the country does not stabilise economically at some point.

Thirdly, I totally understand that people can vote for who they want, but at least when the suffering starts during the 4 years, I expect that educated Nigerians should/will come to their senses. I wonder if the prices I purchased fuel and diesel since stepping into Nigeria is different from the Tinubu lovers buy. Perhaps we purchase at different prices therefore they enjoy life. If we are all suffering, why can't see they this suffering too.

Fourth, I love going outside to hustle but do I want to die abroad, not really. Places like Canada are very cold, maybe one day I'd return fully to Nigeria. If Nigeria never changes, It means I cannot return permanently. Ghana is also having their own economic woes, I cannot stay there.

It is good to vote for Presidential candidates that you BELIEVE would perform better.

However, we need to get something very clear;

No President at Aso-Rock can single handedly transform Nigeria from a poor country to a developed and rich country as most people wrongly assumed.

Then, the question should be 'Can Nigeria become a developed country?'

If yes, then ask 'How can Nigeria become a developed country'?

Mynd44:
Do you understand that over 80% of cattle in the South are owned by southerners?

They only hand them over to herders to take care of for them. When you go meet a lot of the rich folks in the south, you will understand it better.

In a lot of cases, they pay the community leaders money to graze their cattle in the bushes too. Problem arise when community leaders collect money from herders and then turn around to sell the same land to farmers

If the Billions used by Akwa-Ibom to build Church Catheral and the Billions used by Aregbesola to build a non-existent Airport were invested on Cattle ranches in Akwa-Ibom andf Osun States for THEIR PEOPLES,
11) It would have generated jobs for thousands of youths in these States
2) Hunger and poverty would have reduced in these States
3) It would served as role models which can inspire other States.

If the 17 Southern States have massive ranches in their States, they would be competing with Fulani Herdsmen, who by now will have no option than modernize their own cattle business model from traditional open grazing to modernized ranching system.

Dsimmer:
Open grazing is an unproductive useless barbaric practice. In a sane civilized society like Europe, such retarded useless people would be shot dead in the first place.

Anyone who wants to go into animal farming, either pig, goat, cow etc should ranch it. Simple as ABC. This is 21st century. It's not by force to rear animal.

What exactly is your point?

You complain about the problems of open grazing and they are now discussing the solutions to prevent open grazing, yet you are still complaining that they are discussing about cows

helinues:
Why should government be interfering into private business.

If they have guidelines about how to run business in the country, Cows discussion shouldn't be consuming our time

Government exist to solve problems that affect the people collectively.

The issue of cattle rearing affect millions of Nigeria from Abia to Zamfara. It should be discussed and solved. Government got ivolved in Automobile industry, Oil &Gas Industry, Health Industry, so why not Animal Husbandry sub-sector of the Food Industry?

The UK Government is involved in the British Beef and Dairy Industry

kYjelly2:
Dude, it's just cow.

They are not debating any industry, if not you would have heard terms like preservation, pricing, processing, standards...

They are talking about whether or not, COW should be allowed to roam the streets.

Something that has a simple answer, "NO" and a simple solution, "RANCHING"



The issue with Nigeria is we make simple problems look like Rocket Science, so simple problems with simple solutions keep piling up unsolved.


NO! COWS SHOULD NOT BE HERDED ON THE STREETS , simple, then move on to the next problem.


If in 2024 we can't figure out whether or not COWs should be herded on public streets, then what year do you think we will solve problems like Electricity and pipe borne water? In year 3000?

God have mercy on us.

The solution to the problems of cattle rearing will usher in numerous economic opportunities for Nigeria. Cows are the starting 'raw materials' for beef, dairy and leather industries.

The reason why we are discussing it now is because the PROBLEMS WERE NOT SOLVED IN THE PAST.

HitlerWasRight:
Did you guys come out to vote for him like you did Obi despite your people benefiting more from that govt.

Obi was GEJ's SE campaign coordinator and he refused to mobolise funds for the elections.

Obi also had an acrimonious relationship with SE PDP leadership who saw obi's appointment as a slap on their faces. To which end they all secretly worked for Buhari's emergence. If in doubt of this, see how Buhari got substantial votes across the SE with imo giving Obi more than the 1/3rd requirement. And contrary to popular misconception, the SE was never part of the notorious five percent region. That region remains the SS apart from Edo.

Also, it's on record that SE PDP witnessed a gale of defection to the APC immediately after GEJ conceded defeat to Buhari.

You guys were the ones who lost the elections for GEJ.

Stop peddling falsehoods, Buhari scored around 5% in the SE except Imo where he received a little higher

Tellmeastory:
It is very easy to end the phenomenon of tribalism in Nigeria and across Africa, to foster greater unity and fairness.

All the government has to do is promote and disseminate these FACTS as enunciated above, and encourage and subsidise MASS DNA GENEOLOGY TESTING, while encouraging people to embrace their true lineage as opposed to the FRAUDULENT, ARTIFICIAL, UN-AFRICAN, COLONIAL LANGUAGE-GROUP CLASSIFICATIONS.

It will be taught to CHILDREN from Primary 1, that their identity is their LINEAGE, which can be determined by DNA testing, not their language.

A geneology database will be created, and people will be encouraged to follow up on their DNA results and seek to re-unite with their long lost relatives and lineage in other parts of the country or sub-region etc.

In its early days, TV crews will be there, to capture the tears and hugs of an 'Igbo man' meeting his ancient family in remote Zaria, and a 'Hausa man' re-uniting with his ancient family in Ondo state.

Gradually, the notion of 'Tribe' will be eroded, and finally eliminated from our consciousness, as we become reasonable, tolerant, civilised Africans again, no longer robots of colonial greed and brigandage, and free of the bondage and shackles of tribalism holding back our GREATNESS.

You don't understand human societies.

Tribes and tribalism will NOT disappear. What we need is :

JUSTICE and EQUITY.

Justice= fairness to all parts of Nigeria

Equity= Equality of citizenship

Activisism may force Gov't to change certain policies but ACTIVISM CAN NOT SOLVE ECONOMIC PROBLEMS.

The real reasons why things appear expensive in Nigeria is because most Nigerians aren't earning much.

The FG and the National Assembly should reduce wastages and assist the Private sector to stimulate economic growths and create jobs in the process.

However, the bulk of what most Nigerians complain about can and should be solve at their LGA and State Levels. Unfortunately , since 1999, most States in Nigeria no longer directly involve themselves in economic developments of their areas but now restrict their roles to collections of federal allocations , constructing some roads, rebuild some schools and health facilities, pay salaries of civil servants and embezzle the rest. No plans for long term economic goals like aiming to increase Cocoa production by 20 tons per year or partnering with Private sector to build Power plants or Rice mills , Pharmaceutical Companies etc

chopnaira:
Obi will shut down the highway. He does not want that road to cut off his region, the SE.

The Highway won't cut off the SE, since it will pass through Rivers State, from which a link road will be constructed to link Abia State which is just about 60km from Port-Harcourt. Althernatively, they may use the already existing link roads from Rivers to Abia.

bentenny:
The rice and wheat produced here will still be more expensive compared to other African countries because Nigeria lacks an enabling environment for business to thrive!
If there was an open market today within African countries,would Nigerian businesses be able to compete with countries that have constant power supply,security,unified tax system,low transport cost?

It is not about competing or not competing but SURVIVAL.

Can Nigeria import everything and anything that come to their minds? The answer is a CAPITAL NO.

This is just like a 5-year old child who accompanied his parents to a supermarket for shopping but was pointing to any item in the supermarket that caught his fancy and asking the parents to buy. The parents bought the first four items, then the father started hesitating to buy more items. Out of frustration, the boy asked his father, Daddy ,why can't we buy the remaining ones? And the father replied 'we can't just be buying everything. Then he asked the father , why can't we be buying everything? The father replied...when you grow-up, you will understand.

Paraman:
Buhari tried to discourage importation, it didn't end well. It's one of the reason we are where we are now

Nigerians will reduce importation of many products on their own as the economy become unable to afford it. The real reason why Nigeria recorded Trade Surplus in 2023 was because importation fell below the projected value.

Seun:
Discouraging importation is a bad idea. Value chains are global. Top exporting countries import their raw materials from countries that can sell them at the lowest price. If you discourage imports, your cost of materials will be high, and your export products will be too expensive to sell internationally and will contribute to inflation by being more expensive locally.

Dangote is importing crude oil from the US because it's the most cost-effective source for him right now. This will ensure that the petrol he refines will be cheap enough to sell/export and make a decent profit. If we hypothetically discouraged him from importing crude oil by charging high tariffs, his petrol would be more expensive.

We have to import raw materials from the cheapest sources internationally, process them cost-effectively, and then export our finished products at competitive prices. There is nothing you want to produce that doesn't require importation. Even farming needs imported fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, heavy equipment, spare parts, seeds, etc.

If we want to be an exporting nation, we should have low import tariffs and no export tariffs, like Singapore

You might say that we should have low tariffs for raw materials and high tariffs for finished products. That's not as bad as the current reality of high tariffs for raw materials in an attempt to encourage exportation of raw materials, but it is also a mirage. One man's "raw material" or input is another man's finished product.

Apple laptops and iPhones looks like finished luxury products, but to a programmer developing iOS apps, they're compulsory "raw materials" for production. The more expensive they are, the more difficult it will be for our youths to make clean money by becoming iOS developers.

Import tariffs or restrictions on grains would on the surface seem to help farmers, but they hurt feed mills, poultry farmers, bakeries, breweries, food processors, consumers who have to pay more for their products, and food exportation.

The top 3 exporting nations in the world are China, USA, and Germany. They are also the top 3 importing nations. The thinking of "imports bad, exports good" that leads to import substitution policies is primitive and outdated in the global village. India, which does import substitution, can't compete with China, which imports & exports.

Importation of what?
Is it importation of petrol, Garri, Wheat, Okirika, automobiles, Brazillian Hair, I-phone, took picks, wines, canned tomatoe, rice, Iron and steel or 'importations of workers'?

NairaMaster1:
Which money them use?

Which money do you use to buy your car and pay for your school fees?

gidgiddy:
The guy is right in what he is saying, all the places he mentioned speak Igbo as their indigenous language. Not only that, they all practice Igbo culture, bear Igbo names, have the 4 Igbo market days, and have "Omenala" as their culture

It doesn't get any more Igbo than that

Who declared their language Igbo or their culture Igbo? How do you know that it is not the other way round? How do you know its not the Igbo that speak Ikwerre language and practied Ikweres culture?
Do you have 'Copy right ' over any name or market practices?

Why don't you look at Europeans and learn?

Europeans of different Nationalities bear the same names with slightly different spellings/pronunciations, have so many practices in common and some even speak partially mutually intelligible languages but one doesn't claim the other.

Attempts by Adolf Hitler to invade other European countries where German language is spoken and unified them into one country led to the World War-2, why can't you learn from him.

Danisaint112:
And have the entire community of Ikwere deny their origin? Most do but some don't. And the entire population knows.

I understand your point about self-identification, and it's true that individuals have the right to define their own identity. However, in the case of the Ikweres, their cultural, linguistic, and historical ties align closely with those of the Igbo people.

This is widely recognized by scholars, historians, and even by the Ikweres themselves. Additionally, reputable sources such as Wikipedia and academic research consistently classify the Ikweres as part of the Igbo ethnic group.

While self-identification is important, it's also valuable to acknowledge the broader context and historical connections that contribute to a group's identity.

You are still making the same mistake: The people concerned assert whoever they want to be, NOT outsiders ,United Nations, not Scholars or Wikipedia.

Has Enugu or Aguleri declared their Igboness? Has Gbaramotu declared their Ijawness?

Yourbaslayer:
Look at this mumu from coward tribe is talking about caution as if your people get liver, i will start taking your people seriously when you install Oba of Ilorin

I don't need to engage you in silly childish tantrum but we all know the differences 'gra gra' that sacrificed 2 million souls for absolutely NOTHING and bravery.

hammer567:
SINCE AJ, ALL YORUBA BOYZ TURN BOXERS, NOW DEY WILL ALL RUN AWAY.



RIP

Ignorant kids like thus are too many on Nairaland.

Weren't Yoruba guys into boxing before AJ?

Did all Igbo guys run away from Football after the death of Sam Okwaraji who died at the 77th minute during a World Cup qualifying match between Nigeria and Angola in 1989

Tinubu was a victim of massive propaganda and manipulations especially by the supporters of Peter Obi before, during and after the election.

Interestingly, they all worked for the victory of Tinubu without knowing it.

babasolution:
It's now you know they are one of the 300 ethnics groups,but at other times you people disclaim the rights of small ethnic groups.

Yoruba are a major group,one of the pillars of Nigeria.
Their support for bad leadership is detrimental across board , carries weight and determines the course of Nigeria.

Moreover,the Yoruba personalized TINUBU if I may use that phrase despite his personal agenda,they took him as theirs and castigated anyone that spoke against him.

They did the same for Buhari.
Buhari totally failed.

We sincerely hope TINUBU would not but if he does.

The Yoruba legacy will forever be in the mud.
They will have no claim to responsible leadership and will share equal blame for the failure of NIGERIA with the hausa-fulani,as both groups have ruled Nigeria the longest.

You are talking too much ,without answering the question.

We have heard and accepted Yoruba are bad, evil and guilty of any crime you accused them of. However, you need to list other tribes in Nigeria and the percentage of blames that you apportioned to them e g

Nupe
Efik
Igbo
Kanuri
Ijaw
Fulani
Tiv
Edo
Zuru
Urhobo
Igala
Jukun
Kare-Karen
Chamba
Ibibio

Danisaint112:
Who says they do I am only trying to tell you they whole world know who you guys are wether you decide to deny to eternity.

Is it the 'whole world ' that determined your ethnic group or YOU yourself?

Did the 'Whole world' determine if Kano should be Hausa or not?

gidgiddy:
But you are in a map called Nigeria that was drawn by the British?

Open another thread for Nigeria ,instead of derailing this, if you don't know the differences between ethnic groups/ethnic homelands and Nigeria

igwebuike01:
Igbo ethnic group is based on cultural and linguistic affinity. It doesn't mean anybody will come and take your land. The same criteria used in calling Enugu or Nnewi Igbo was used in calling pH (ikwerre territory) Igbo. It doesn't mean anybody wants to take ikwerre land. Has Nnewi people taken Aba land? Or okigwe people taken Enugu land? These are just ethnic grouping. Igbos have always had a highly decentralized system of government. We are not feudalistic like the north or monarchical like Yoruba and Edo. All the Igbo territories in this maps remain sacrosanct

Then what is the meaning of the Tweets and numerous Maps drawn by IPOB?

Danisaint112:
Meanwhile, IKWERES are Igbos. Wether they choose to accept it or not. Anyone refusing to accept this is only living in self denial.

Which people in Nigeria need Wikipedia to know their ethnic group?

Do Mbaise and Ngwa people need Wikipedia to prove to them that they are Igbo?

Danisaint112:
The damage was done during The Biafran war.

Gowon and his cohorts succeeded brainswashing many of our Southern Igbo Elders back then. He deceived them into believing that the oil is what Ojukwu was after.

Imagine IKWERES that if they speak Igbo I hear clearly are claiming no to be Igbo. Tueh!

If there is any set of people close to the Igbo territory that will claim not to be Igbo and we might maybe agree, it's the people of Ebonyi. Because as a person based on central Igbo you must have gone deep in Igbo language and pay close attention when they speak to understand them most times.

Now imagine Gowon succeeded in barianwashing them (people of Ebony) just like he did to the Ikweres and the Igbo speaking towns of Rivers State, Ebonyi people of today would have never agreed ever relating to igbos at any point at all.

But this people traced their root carefully and discovered it all leads to Igbo ancestry and making them come to the realization that they are full blooded Igbos.


Gowon is the very reason Nigeria is still one in great disunity today.
This is one reason I keep saying that Gowon will not die a good death for the atrocities he committed against the Igbo race.

This is my stand: If Biafra were to ever turn a reality someday, then let only the five Igbo states go. We are not landlocked and can never be. Proper research has been done and many routesfound where large vessels can sail through. One of such examples is the Abia state Axis.

A Biafra based on only 5 Igbo states would thrive and be peaceful. I wouldn't want A Biafra that would become another Nigeria (disunity, Jealousy, tribalism and the likes). I want a whole Nation that unanimously agree to be one.

We can still be good neighbors with our lost brothers.
Our southerners brothers who have been misinformed by their grandparents ignorance will thrive better with their Niger Delta Republic and peace will rain. This is my opinion. Peace.

You probably think all the Ikwere People are Pry-3 pupils that can't deeply think for themselves such that it takes Gowon to tell them who they should be.

oluztx:
The problem with you agbadox is you don't travel. Know this by fire or by force, 3/4 of the people in your so-calked SS are Igbo people or related to Igbos. I'm saying this now so that when another civil war starts, you don't foolishly run into an Igbo man's house for refuge. That day, you will know the sefia pain Awolowo went through after eating that otapiapia.

You need to caution your people, learn from mistakes of Ojukwu and the Biafran leaders.

immortalcrown:
You may be right. I don't care about which tribe owns most of the industries in Lagos. The fact is that Reno goes offpoint here.

Then list the industries in Lagos owned by Igbo

babasolution:
The Yoruba supported the north through and through and castigated other regions that tried blaming the north,so the Yoruba as been a bulwark of support to bad leadership in Nigeria

Okay, but Yoruba is just one tribe out of over 300 tribes in Nigeria and one,out of 300 can't do anything.

So help us list the other tribes that contribute to bad leadership in Nigeria and the percentages of their contributions.