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Here's a link to the Seventh Day Adventist website:
http://www.sdada.org/aboutsda.htm

I wish you all the best on your journey to understand your beliefs.

bizz: have u been there.how did u come about there fake videos.let us have some if u really have any.i think people like you should shut up n listen/research first before talking.what is your problem.speak like a learned person.by the way who r u to judge.tell me if you r not a sinner.i have followed this man me God for a while now,initially i was mislead by people like you that talk without thinking.when i went there i knew what love really meant.pls just respect ur self and talk wisely.thanks

Talk without thinking?
You mean I'm not taken in by a charlatan.
You want to see an example of a fraudulent video?
I've posted up one of the more disgusting examples of what has been put on youtube andI'm happy to do it again.
Here you are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ekUre84WoE

I do not have ANY issue with honest faith.
I have an issue with cynical and heartless fraud and manipulation.
The video I've posted is such a clumsy fraud that I'm surprised this preacher's followers don't have it taken off Youtube.

Who can take seriously a preacher who allows this sort of obvious fraud to be made public?
Is there really anyone here who can't see what is being removed is an old dressing?

There's another thread on the same subject.
https://www.nairaland.com/920599/how-god-made-67-year-old

Interesting how the details of the newspaper article vary significantly from one telling to the other.
What IS the same is the 'use' of a vaccine of clurophone.

Scam, pure and simple.

goldenval: See, how the demon in you is hating the man of God and tomorrow you will be calling yourself a christian. Are you the one to judge?... Leave it to God!....but am very sorry for your soul because you really need a serious deliverance.

And here we go again.
Logic=Demon
Back to the Dark Ages!

But do the yahoo boys tithe?

[quote author=Joel.]When an animal is killed you send the blood back to God by covering it with dust, in the proper way. God have or need account of it, that why you must not drink or eat animals blood.[/quote]Are you advocating kosher butchering practises?
Or a vegetarian diet?
Have you thought about becoming a Seventh Day Adventist?

TopAnalyst: I'm sorry sis; I just felt so disappointed at your comments - above.
I suggest you read-only and not make further comments on this thread. Thanks

My answers were serious.
As far as I'm concerned prophecy is simply a technique of scam artists.
I've explained why.
And I'll explain again as needed.

toba: u see, its as if u atheist are just not ready to accept anything that has t do with God

Here we go again; questioning a scam=atheist.
toba, I'll keep it simple for you.

This stupid publicity stunt has NOTHING to do with God.
This stupid publicity stunt has EVERYTHING to do with taking advantage of people's faith.

August21: From majority of the comments, it is obvious dat evry1 here is beating abt d bush.
For u to argue for or against, u shd state ur Views and back it up with a gud example and ur reason for such a view. We are literates here. Let's get to a stage in Nigeria whr we argue wt points or facts.
Things to note b4 u argue:
1) Who is a fake prophet
2) How do dey operate
3)What criteria shd we consider b4 we say a person is a fake.
Enlighten us wt ur ansa b4 u talk. I.e make a Reasonable point.
For me anyway I think no one has bn able to convince me wt a reasonable point. Here. So, am still waiting. -----August21.

1) Who is a fake prophet
Answer- Anyone who claims to see the future. Anyone.


2) How do dey operate
Answer- Anyone can have a strike rate which will convince a lot of people.
That, and the fact that people tend to remember the detail that came true and not the many things which never happened.
Also the fact that people will twist events to accomodate a prophecy made in the past. Check out the Nostradamus prophecies to see a good example of this.


3)What criteria shd we consider b4 we say a person is a fake.
Answer- Do they claim to see future events? Then they are fake.

Enlighten us wt ur ansa b4 u talk. I.e make a Reasonable point.
Remember- in English, prophet and profit sound the same!

deleo16: if its tb joshua now they start saying nonsense abt him, am not against this prophesy and this MOG

The OP is a spoof, right?

yommy2sure: hi people, there are so many things that i know and even more that i dont know...i intend to learn as much as possible, pls this is directed to christians (atheist stay off, i dnt need ur views)...i have these questions concerning the Biblical Pharoah in exodus:
1. Exd chap 1:8 told us there arose a new Pharoah who did not know Joseph. Pls how? Were there no records or are the scrolls yet to be invented? If yes then what happened to oral traditon i.e. Transfer of history from generation to generation through the words of mouth...and if he doesnt know him, how come we know him?
2. Why should God punish Pharaoh since he did what he wass suppose to do. Exd 7:3 says God hardend his heart so he will never listen, then was he really disobedient? Was God ryt? Thanks as you enlighten me.

There are very simple answers to your questions.
But first, tell me the name of this "Biblical Pharoah in exodus".
And no, I'm not an atheist.

plaetton: ...Notice that "mama's corpse was rejected at the hospital because of strike". so mama did not die at a hospital.
hvae you ever heard of the word Coma? Couldn't she have fallen into a coma and had been mistaken for dead? In Nigeria, this much more common than you think. ....

Well spotted!

Martian: lol.



The nation went on strike so god could perform a miracle on some random woman. lol

No, not a random woman. A woman who'd been administered 'a vaccine called clurophone'
It's God's way of showing vaccines don't work!

wesley80: What's it with you and this Prophet? You seem to be determined to discredit his every word. is there some history no one is aware of or is this just a personal mission?

Interesting that you follow my posts.
And why Prophet rather than prophet?
This fellow has far too low a strike rate to be considered anything out of the ordinary, after all.

'Every word'?
No.
I applauded when the fellow publicly stated the criminally negligent health 'advice' given in his churches should in no way be considered a substitute for proper medical attention.

'A personal mission'?
No. What attracted my attention were the clumsily faked and viciously misleading 'healing' videos.
I had no idea people took the fellow's 'prophecies' serioiusly, that there was television coverage of his ministry a là USA til I read about it here at Nairaland.

"I know lots of pple would doubt this story as true, especially our atheists 'brethren' but i'll urge u to read through the story well before making comments."

Why is a healthy scepticism to fraud labeled atheist?


"Meanwhile, we were also told that the corpse of Mama was rejected at the hospital in Akure because of the strike, so the only available option was to invite mortuary attendants to embalm her at home....Since the corpse was at home and not in the mortuary, as I earlier explained, the family had to employ the services of mortuary personnel who visited to administer a vaccine called clurophune on daily basis to preserve the body from decaying."

"The home of the Ozoemenas, located around British American Junction, Jos, had since her return, become a centre of attraction as many go there to catch a glimpse of the ‘resurrected’ woman. "


Ah, right. This is really an embarrassingly bad attempt to scam people.
Administering a 'vaccine' to a corpse?
Who believes that?
Anyone won a coca-cola lottery recently?

D sage: please let me know if you're theists or atheists,so that i find a better way to handle you.

Handle me?
Is this an offer for a hmmmm 'special prayer' session?
What possible concern is it of yours what my beliefs are?
Have I asked yours?

My point is that posts made with sourced information are brushed aside here as being 'cut and paste', usually by YECs, oddly enough.
You know very well there are people here at Nairaland who think the Sun revolves around the Earth.
You know very well there are people here at Nairaland who think the first humans came into existence 6,000 years ago.

And you know that those who no longer believe such nonsense or were never taught it are branded atheists, whatever their religious afiliation.

Logic only has validity if it's informed. Otherwise, we're back to da Vinci's trial.

Canisma: ...
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THIS WRATH SHALL BEGIN ON Ist of June, 2012.
Lets watch out for june 1st this year and see what would happen.
< ...

Another weasel-prophecy.
Perfect.
The fellow is a true professional!

[quote author=Joel.]I've a plan to be written books to bring out the real teaching of the bible (the word of God) because alot of pasters have been mislead.

Before i give this teaching i would like to hear a comment from my viewers what is your understanding about the deep meaning or the word ''Blood''?[/quote]I suggest you start by learning to write in passably correct English.
Then start investigating how Jews(by and for whom this text was written) view this restriction.
And finally, consider becoming a Seventh Day Adventist.

D sage: Dear theists/religions people in the house,please stop arguing with all the atheists on this forum.They are not that intelligent,i've tested them many time before and i realised that all they were doing here to proved their assumption/believes was simply a copy and paste.

They copied texts from various books and journers writtn by Atheist of western origin and pasted it here,claiming they are intelligent people.Please people,stop argued/telln them that God exist,they dont have the knowledge of their own to understand the fact that God actually exist.

I knew all these through their responses to the various questiions being asked by religions people on this forum.For instance,they always throw your questions back to you by their usual copy and paste method rather than answering it in a logical manner.

Therefore,they the bunches of hypocrites,bigotes,moronics and hopeless people on earth.

This would be very, very funny if it weren't for the fundies who cut and paste arguments from AiG, etc.
Stop being a hypocrite!

Everyone knows that people who disagree with Fundies are labelled 'atheist', even me!
Everyone knows what you call 'copy and paste method' is simply looking up a subject, investigating and quoting.
Everyone know that what you call 'a logical manner' is to agree with you.

Stop being a hypocrite.
Get informed.

payless: This guy did not specifically said Malawaian President was going to die. He actually said "African Leader". If you all remembered that Nelson Mandella was critically sick few weeks ago and many thought he was going to die, so this fake Pastor came out few day later and said one "African Leader" was going to die. TB Joshua actually thought Mandella was going to die. TB Joshua should just mention names instead of all these vague prognoses of his. Bastard!

This.
I can't fathom why the man allows his followers to perpetrate such misleading publicity.

^^^What did your doctor say when they gave you those results, omonikiba?

I don't see a link to the actual report, neither in the OP nor in the blog the OP cites.

What fun!
Ola answers to amuse myself with.

OLAADEGBU:
Good job!  I must congratulate you for your effort unlike other lazy atheists who wouldn't, couldn't or didn't bother to make an effort.  But are you sure that there was no scientific paper quoted their?  I even posted it, did you not see it?

You must have read what they meant but it is up to you what you choose to take as the fact.

Your answer makes me wonder if you've ever seen an actual scientific report.
AiG simply asserts that 'scientists' have made this rather foolish claim.
You know the difference, don't you?


What about male n ipples?  Are you suggesting that males once gave suck to babies in their evolution but no longer do so now?

[/quote]Of course not.  Have you never wondered why ALL male mammals have them?
Humans are mammals, remember?

OLAADEGBU:
There is no such thing as an "atheist" that verse says he is a fool.  Read what Dwight Eisenhower wrote about  the so called atheists

Another AiG quote, yes?
Does anyone really care what a (long dead) US president's opinions are on religious subjects?


[quote author=OLAADEGBU link=topic=869536.msg10329329#msg10329329 date=1330895971]Can you tell me why God passed a law forbidding people from marrying close relatives in Leviticus 18?

God didn't , the writers of the OT did.
Can you tell me why God created male n ipples?

Vestigial mammary glands in males can only be understood in terms of embryology and not evolution.  Nothing in biology makes sense in the light of evolution.

Well, I'm not surprised you've dropped the blue eyes are the result of sin argument.
It's so silly even AiG doesn't espouse it.

Amusingly enough your tag-line

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/10/2/l_102_01.html

is actually a misquote:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/10/2/l_102_01.html


Once you leave the hallowed precincts of AiG, haven't you noticed the folk who condone these last-ditch defenses of Creationism are mostly White Supremicists and Rapture advocates?
The survival of this in West Africa can be seen as one of the most extreme cases of the Stockholm Syndrome in modern times.
Stockholm Syndrome united to a traditional belief in witchcraft, of course.

FXKing2012:
]No dont sidestep it, there is the need to know where u stand in order to know how to tackle u. My concern is u keep jumping from one position to another which makes it look like u just wanna oppose everything for the sake of argument.

You are very funny.

there is the need to know where u stand in order to know how to tackle u.

The topic of this thread is a MOG's followers' pretentious belief the fellow can curse in the Lord's name.
You're the one who jumps all over, even to dragging Darwin and David Copperfield into the discussion.
Get over it!

FXKing2012:
Back to the topic since u dont even know where u stand, a house where bombs are produced by BH members blew up while manufacturing bombs killing all of them. Coincidence?

Are you really so uninformed you don't know that terrorists blowing themselves up as they manufacture bombs is hardly an unusual event?
Remember that poor policeman blew himself up while investigating a bomb recently?
Would you be silly enough to say that was the result of a curse?

I'm still hoping Ola will make up his mind about whether blue eyes are:
the wages of sin
or
inherent in all humans.



And I haven't forgotten about male n i p p l e s, either.

Not just hatred per se, but murders and torture.
Horrific.
It is astonishing and disgusting this is tacitly condoned by 'Christian' churches.

OLAADEGBU:
Since you guys are too lazy to do your own research on google, here is a suggested link to educate you.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v3/n2/four-women-boat-kids

Perffect, perfect.
I'd asked for a source here:

Source, please. I'd like to read the article, especially considering the lack of 'brown' eye colour chromosones in those us who don't have brown eyes.

Of course I googled the key phrase (the way light scatters off of the thin layer of brown-coloured melanin)of this poster's answer and came up with the source
AiG, plus various White Supremicist and Rapture blogs.
No scientific paper, just AiG assertions.

And of course AiG dances around the subject, claiming Adam and Eve had both blue and green eye chromosones on the one hand, on the other that green and blue eye chromosones are the 'wages of sin'.

Which is it?
Well, we know b&g coloured eyes don't show in the mitochondrial legacy until some 6,000 years ago, from one generaction to another.
That is to say, the parents of the first blue eyed human did not have those chromosones.
Mutation.

eventually some human beings stop producing these lactase while others have a nucleotide switch in their DNA which can keep lactase into adulthood.

Yes, a mutation.
Nowadays we all know the milk tolerance capacity in human adults is a mutation dating from some 15,000 years ago.

But what about male ni pp les?

mazaje:
Stop taking Olaadegbu and his creationist scientific "explanations" seriously. . .

I don't, actually.
I find his arguments by comix and proof by debates and oratory hilarious.
Just look at the way he can't make up his mind whether blue eyes are the wages of sin or were 'planned'.

Yes, that's right.
Shall we get back on topic?
Remember the topic?
Cursing the BH?