^^^ Tagged, of course!
People tag everything, don't they?
Especially a Cup Final match.

But I maintain the reality of the play was anything but a confrontation between unevenly matched teams.
Your mileage may differ.

My point is that this pastor has yet to show any signs of a gift to prophesy anything.

crossman9:

this was the same message 3 months ago in in your little book ill post this again to show you people don’t you see it is old messages you’re getting nothing new

Thanks for taking the trouble to show just what is behind these religious tracts.
Your investigations of the texts themselves are very good and worth reading.

Now, do we have it clear these aren't BOOKS, but rather religious tracts published on a monthly basis?

One team wins, another loses.
50 50 chance of getting it right.

If he'd commited himself to saying Zambia would win as they did in the kicks, that would be another matter.
No one who followed the match could imagine Zambia was the underdog, by the way!

@PA1982, who is promoting hatred against any group or race here?

You are, when you wrote:

Show me just one Christian country that is in a state of war or disarray? Look at what is happening in the middle east,  are u not smart enough to know that it is because they are mostly muslims and they dont have enough Christians in their country.

Do you understand what you wrote?
Do you even remember what you wrote?

You are the one who has been calling me names just becos u disagree with my point of view, yet you talk about hatred. Maybe you should read the rules of the forum again before talking about hatred cos u are the one who has be flouting the rules by calling me names.

FXKing2012, do you REALLY want me to cite the insults you have written about me?
I've said anyone who believes Odeyepo's curse has any value is gullible.
And I'll stand by that.

And as for u being anointed. . .well. . .I cant say u are. To be anointed, you must be a Christian who believes in Jesus as the only way and must serve God in spirit and in truth. And I know[b] u cant possibly be a Christian cos if u are there is no way you wld find it very comfortable to abuse men of God and Christians.[/b] So in that respect, I'm sorry to say I dont think u are anointed.

Since when is calling out a deception considered abuse?
I think deception of the faithful is an abuse.
And a grave one, at that.

Pretending a MOG is a type of jujuman is either knowingly or unknowingly abusing the intelligence of us all.
Remember the subject of this thread. Why bring anyone else, including Darwin, into this discusssion?
The thread is about Odeyepo's curse.
Strange that the writer of the OP forgets what it was about.



I shall continue to point the finger at pretentious nonsense where I find it.

As for BH
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17059895

I see FXKing2012 is posting with enthousiam today.

FXKing2012:

What do u guys have to gain by proving stubborn? Why do u abuse men of God just to gain relevance? Studies have shown that many people rebel just for the sake of relevance or attention.
But again, it's only a matter of time before we knew who is on the right path. Keep believing rumours and keep abusing MOG if you think it's the best thing to do. But remember that anyone who touches God's anointed man invites curses upon himself/herself.

For starters, debunking nonsense is everyone's right.
it doesn't matter WHO spouts it.
What rumours?
Please let us know what you're talking about.

FXKing2012:

How many strong pentecostal churches were there in 1967? Show me just one Christian country that is in a state of war or disarray? Look at what is happening in the middle east,  are u not smart enough to know that it is because they are mostly muslims and they dont have enough Christians in their country. The prayers of such Christians wouldnt have allowed all the wars, battles and madness that go on there.

You can't possibly be serious in that foolish assertion.
Or so I hope.
Please keep in mind this forum has rules-
-We will also not allow any comments that promote hatred or discrimination against any race, ethnic or religion group, gender, intimate orientation, et cetera.

FXKing2012:

Of course I am God's anointed and u know it. Any child of God who serves Him in spirit and in truth , and believes in His Son Jesus Christ is anointed, and that is why it is very dangerous to move against us.

Then I'm anointed, too, right?

I ask because

The details of your life may have gotten to the wrong ear but today it shall be deleted in Jesus Precious name.

sounds just like a scam letter that landed in my spam file this morning.

Is this a joke or a scam?
Or both?

FXKing2012:

Y'all need to listen to the confessions of the BH kingpins who were caught since after the pronouncements by our MOG. You need to hear what Abu Qaqa, Sokoto, Paul (the one who converted to Christianity) and others are saying to know that what is happening is definitely spiritual.
You guys need to wake up to realise that there is more to this life than the physical; there is more to this world than what you are able to feel and see with your optical eyes.
Everything is ultimately spiritual whether u like it or not.

So spiritual you resort to deception to try to convince people of your point of view?
Surely you understood my last post?
Surely you understand that MOG's pronouncements have nothing to do with the topic of this thread?

Hang on, don't the posters here know the difference between a monthy magazine and a book?
A magazine's distribution can never be compared to a book's distribution.

It would be more interesting to compare ROR to Watchtower or similar.

I've read the entire thread with interest and was glad to see this:

We are Commanded in the Bible not to make Money out of the Gospel
Here are all the scriptures
Matthew 10:5-20
Matthew 10:7As you go, preach this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.'
Matthew 10:8Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.
Matthew 10:9Do not take along any gold or silver or copper in your belts;
Matthew 10:10take no bag for the journey, or extra tunic, or sandals or a staff; for the worker is worth his keep.
Matthew 10:11"Whatever town or village you enter, search for some worthy person there and stay at his house until you leave.
Matthew 10:12As you enter the home, give it your greeting.
(N.I.V) 1 Corinthians 9:18 What then is my reward? Just this: that in preaching the gospel I may offer it free of charge, and so not make use of my rights in preaching it.
(K.J.V) 1 Corinthians 9:18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
1 Corinthians 9:19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
2 Corinthians 2:17 (New International Version,)
(N.I.V) 2 Corinthians 2:17 Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, as those sent from God.
2 Corinthians 2:17 (King James Version)
2 Corinthians 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
2 Corinthians 11:6 I may indeed be untrained as a speaker, but I do have knowledge. We have made this perfectly clear to you in every way. 7 Was it a sin for me to lower myself in order to elevate you by preaching the gospel of God to you free of charge?

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
New Living Translation (©2007)
2 Peter 2:3 In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
2 Peter 2:3 And by greed and fictitious accounts they will make profit among you, these whose judgment from the first has not been idle and their destruction does not sleep.

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And of course, I was saddened to see the curse/death threats by people who seem to confuse their pastors with jujumen.

You mean whoever published that crass hoax video or Youtube itself?

^^^
Is this a joke?
Do people Be Intimate in public in your area?
They don't here.

And to tell the truth, I don't much fancy peeping in people's windows tonight.

Is there any evidence this rumour is based on the truth?

^^^
I did.
Shame on those do perpetrate such hoaxes.

^^^
Amen!

Ah, your back pain is associated with your menstrual cycle?
If so, you should see a gynocologist for a thorough examination and tests.

How can I or anyone else know the interview is a fake?
Very simple.
So simple that I'm a bit surprised people aren't curious enough to do what I did.

Google the term Sheik Sani Haliru and see what you come up with.
I'll tell you now:
Nothing but that article, repeated verbatim in over 14 pages of Google results.

Here's one exception:
http://www.newsrescue.com/2012/02/cyber-war-against-nigeria-republicreports-naijajive-implicated-ibb-boko-slander/#axzz1mGujolev

which debunks this hoax.

Why accept cheap internet rumours as the truth?
All anyone has to do is dig and not very far at that.

^^^
Screaming?
No, not screaming.
Proofs the interview is a hoax? On their way.

"So even when she see's the truth (such as the effect of the curse/prayers of MOG on BH) I dont expect her to accept the truth."

Shifting goalposts again, I see. Look again to your OP and subject.
Your dishonesty isn't very convincing, you know.

That video is a disgusting and obvious fake.
How can anyone participate in such gross trickery?

Ulcers heal when drained and cleaned.
The scarring is what you would expect to see from such open wounds.
And the white matter drawn out of the wounds is simply dressing.

Could you explain what you mean by wanting to "swim in the filth of their lasciviousness" please?

Does anyone really believe the police interrogatory tactics are leaked beforehand to 'mainstream' publications?

FXKing2012:

Thanks for pointing this out, they are now even converting to Christianity and somebody says prayers don't work. Or is it the soldiers that make them convert to Christianity? We all know it's prayers by MOG.

Why cant u just accept the obvious. Now it's a scam even when they come out to confess wt their own mouths.

Either you are seriously deluded or a willing participant in the deception of the vulnerable.
That interview is a made up piece of propaganda.
Defending it only makes you ridiculous.

FXKing2012:

Some miracles in the Bible too years, eg. Job and Sarah's barrenness.
I didnt say only Bishop Oyedepo spoke against BH, I said MOG spoke against the organisation and it's their prayers that is causing the rancor within the organisation.
For more evidence go to: http://www.osundefender.org/?p=26665

BH is finished!

Now you're backtracking and shifting goalposts.
Reread your own OP.
Read the subject, set by your own self.
How can you sink so low?

Amen!

^^^
That interview is a scam, you know.
A hoax and a nasty one to boot.

wirinet:
, The advice i can give you is to tell you the truth and the truth is no other person can help you besides yourself. If you run from pastor to pastor, from one deliverance to another, you will expose yourself to further harm of your psyche and possibly your mental health, not mentioning financial and material exploitation.

Trust me i have seen so many people psychologically wrecked from running around looking for solutions to their "spiritual problems"
Come to grips with your problems ( to some degree we all have them), list them one by one and reflect on them and how to practically solve them one by one. You will definitely require the help of others - maybe friends and family members. You definitely need to talk to others.

This is good advice.

Come to grips with your problems ( to some degree we all have them), list them one by one and reflect on them and how to practically solve them one by one.

One by one.

I was born in Greenwich.
But where I'm coming from is the idea that Christianity shouldn't be abused by peole wanting to curse in the name of God.
Where I'm coming from is the idea to put your faith in Jesus, not a MOG.

RIP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9nPf7w7pDI

^^^
See a doctor.
Problems with the spinal column won't go away with herbs.
Get a proper diagnosis before spending your money on treatment!

garyarnold:

@newmi said, "Don't you think those who teach tithing and practice tithing do it because they believe it and are convinced of it."

I am pretty sure those who practice what they believe to be tithing do it because they believe they are doing what the Word teaches.

I am not convinced that those who teach tithing believe what they teach. Being a Money & Finance Minister, I have had meeting with many pastors. One admitted to me that he knows tithing ended at the cross, but he said he must teach it the way he does in order to bring in enough money to run the church. Two others listened to my arguments, then did their own research and came to the conclusion that tithing ended at the cross, but both of them continued teaching tithing, but both stopped using the robbing God threat.

I am aware of other pastors who have privately admitted they know that tithing ended at the cross, but they also say if they don't teach it, they won't bring in enough money to keep the church going.

Based on just my own experience, I draw the conclusion there are many pastors who are dishonest.

This has been a fascinating thread to follow and learn from.
Thanks to all who have contributed thought and research to it.

FXKing2012:

It is so funny and amazing how people are so quick to make up different meanings and significance of the St. Valentine's Day. For your information, historically, the day has nothing to do with giving to the poor or less privileged; it's simply and purely a day lovers use to rekindle their affection for each other.
Pls dust up your history book before coming here to make comments; some of us in here are very well versed in history.

No doubt, but you are definitely not one of them.

http://www.history.com/topics/valentines-day

The Catholic Church recognizes at least three different saints named Valentine or Valentinus, all of whom were martyred. One legend contends that Valentine was a priest who served during the third century in Rome. When Emperor Claudius II decided that single men made better soldiers than those with wives and families, he outlawed marriage for young men. Valentine, realizing the injustice of the decree, defied Claudius and continued to perform marriages for young lovers in secret. When Valentine's actions were discovered, Claudius ordered that he be put to death.

Other stories suggest that Valentine may have been killed for attempting to help Christians escape harsh Roman prisons, where they were often beaten and tortured. According to one legend, an imprisoned Valentine actually sent the first "valentine" greeting himself after he fell in love with a young girl--possibly his jailor's daughter--who visited him during his confinement. Before his death, it is alleged that he wrote her a letter signed "From your Valentine," an expression that is still in use today. Although the truth behind the Valentine legends is murky, the stories all emphasize his appeal as a sympathetic, heroic and--most importantly--romantic figure. By the Middle Ages, perhaps thanks to this reputation, Valentine would become one of the most popular saints in England and France.

The oldest known valentine still in existence today was a poem written in 1415 by Charles, Duke of Orleans, to his wife while he was imprisoned in the Tower of London following his capture at the Battle of Agincourt. (The greeting is now part of the manuscript collection of the British Library in London, England.)

That's an interesting site to learn fom.

Here's another:
http://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/what-is-true-origin-of-valentines-day.html

The religious police in Saudi Arabia, in 2002 and 2008, banned the sale of all Valentine's Day related items. The police warned shop workers to remove any items colored red as they consider Valentine's Day a Christian holiday. In 2008 this ban created a black market for roses and wrapping paper.

In Pakistan, the Jamaat-e-Islami political party has called for the banning of the holiday. Despite this declaration the celebration of Valentine's Day has grown increasingly popular. Florists are expected to sell a large amount of flowers, especially red roses.

In Iran, the celebration of the holiday has been harshly criticized by conservatives who see the day as opposed to Islamic culture. The Iranian printing works owners' union, in 2011, issued a directive banning the printing and distribution of any goods promoting the Valentine's holiday such as cards, gifts, teddy bears, posters, boxes printed with hearts or half-hearts and red roses. Activities promoting the holiday are also banned. The union warned that "Outlets that violate this will be legally dealt with."

So Christian and Islamic fundies should join in a boycott of VD!

More and from everyone's favourite source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentine%27s_Day

Though popular modern sources link unspecified Greco-Roman February holidays alleged to be devoted to fertility and love to St. Valentine's Day, Professor Jack Oruch of the University of Kansas argued that prior to Chaucer, no links between the Saints named Valentinus and romantic love existed.
[18]

So no steamy pagan origins to rail against!

But let's be honest.
We all know the real objection to VD this year:
Champion's League football!

It would be interesting to see how this subject is actually treated in the original- Greek.

Much of the confusion on this thread is caused by the translations (made by men) of Greek texts.
Why not go back to the original Greek and see what was actually written?

Too true!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
Yet another example of this human reaction is the day to day example of  mistreated women actually defending the husband/boyfriend who beats them?

Nothing bibical there. It's known, studied and unfortunately common human behaviour.

FXKing2012:

Oh there u are again.

Ah, my VD suitor is following me about!

FXKing2012:

It's not a matter of dragging Christianity down, just trying to enlighten people and make them see there is power in being a strong Christian.

A strong Christian curses?
You ARE deluded.