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WebSurfer:
If you are not foolish with what you posted, you can identify the difference between the pictures you posted and black

Btw you keep using forbidden words in my dictionary when you mentioned “white validation” you clearly even lose the point continuously. Stop writing out of shame

You deny thay black is a spectrum of colours, but you accept brown as a spectrum. Haha.

All these men are brown, according to you. These are pictures of Hispanic, North African men who historically identify as brown, and West African and Sudanese men who historically identify as black.

And the reason you're so passionate about using the word 'brown' to describe African people is to curb racism yea? Ridiculous.

I think you need to be comfortable in your skin first. Somebody needs to get their confidence back.

Have you recently moved from Nigeria and experiencing racism, hence wanting to change your racial identifiers in the hope this changes how the white population perceive you?
Never gonna happen.
I can help you come to grips with this reality.

Send a DM if you need my help.

Cheers

WebSurfer:
If you are not foolish with what you posted, you can identify the difference between the pictures you posted and black

Btw you keep using forbidden words in my dictionary when you mentioned “white validation” you clearly even lose the point continuously. Stop writing out of shame

If you can't identify two of the models as unarguably black, then it's time to change your phone. There's a few cheap, good resolution phones in the market these days, you know.
Wink wink.

WebSurfer:
As long you keep associating with with word black, you are a slave illegal for all i care.

Goodbye since you are so blind you cannnot relatively say the exact colour of your skin.

This is beyond your comprehension

You're being petty and craving for white validation. Simple as that.

Simple question

After you succeed in adopting "brown " to describe African people, would everyone below still belong to the same race?

You're against the descriptor black because you're of a lighter hue and think brown describes you better compared to white people?

Compared to Asian and north African peoples , are you going to further describe yourself as "darker brown"?

Compared to some of these beautifully melanated Sudanese models, are you now going to be lighter brown?

Haha where does the madness end?? Now im genuinely messing with you.

All of this heehaw will be avoided if you weren't chasing white validation.

WebSurfer:
I forbid such a mentality. It reeks of ignorance

It doesn't matter at all if you forbid it or not; that's beside the point.

Until you're able to come up with a skin colour categorization that includes more African peoples than the current descriptor "black", we'll carry on with the status quo.

Changing your race from black to any other colour will not in any way, change how a non black person perceives or relates with you.

WebSurfer:
Having in mind nobody is yellow, or white, I would accept being called brown skinned, African, Light skinned or Fair in complexion

Dark skinned or darker in complexion even sounds better than the term “Black” which is even literally wrong for choosing a representing color

If we want to eradicate racism and the dark view or stereotypes of this race, we must correct ourselves

I did think this was what you were on to. My point is brown skin is not inclusive at all, as a descriptor for people of African descent, particularly of sub saharan Africa.
Brown skin, in modern context, describes people of Asian descent such as Indians. Neither of these colour appellation claims to categorize every member of the racial group they describe. Black is a spectrum of colours, and not only "charcoal black" as you wrongly assume, which is perhaps the cause of your confusion.

Your other point about dark skin. Dark skin, black skin, po-tay-to, po-tah-to. What's in a name, my friend? Through history we have censored many racial slurs which were considered offensive, but being described as a black person is something I proudly identify as. If you describe yourself as lighter skinned, that is simply an adjective that describes your colour relative to a darker member of the group. But this is one group nonetheless.

We need to decolonise our minds. Be proud of whatever hue of black you are. Racism is not how you describe yourself, but how other people of a different culture may perceive you, often fueled by perhaps their existing bias and prejudice. But to bend over backwards and deny other members of my racial group in the hope that I'll be accepted by a non black population is something you and me should never have to do. It reeks of inferiority.

What do you suggest OP?

Brown skin? Yellow skin?

Before you answer, think of the darker members of the race and come up with a colour that includes all, and doesn't create room for further discrimination of other members who have a heavier pigmentation than others.

Now, I challenge you to come up with a colour that's acceptable to you and most Africans/ people of African descent.

Look what makes front page on a foremost nigerian forum.. just utterly ridiculous!

Why do Nigerians want to mystify everything!

Children are being helped to understand marriage early on, and somehow that's a problem. Spiritual fanatics are running amok already. Yet we don't ever speak about these things with our kids. Today they're too young, tomorrow we are pushing them to get married, something they barely understand. Open your minds people! In this age and time, sex, marriage are discussions to be had, not swept under the carpet. That's why we still contend with HIV, teenage pregnancy. Most countries have recorded a falling incidence in HIV diagnosis, but not in Nigeria because we are too holy to talk about sex, but still have sex behind closed doors.

nabiz:
I really need a degree in history and genealogy. This course is untapped in africa

Please do, we need proper historians
Look what our brothers in Aguleri are doing to the igbo ancient culture.
I don't know when white men with long hair became prominent progenitors of the Igbo people... Just utterly and completely ridiculous!

And this is being sold as the origin of Igbo people, with images of Moses and Jesus, and other Bible characters.

Flies in the face of Catherine Acholonu's research in the book "They lived before Adam"
God bless your memory, Prof.

Internetmaster7:
Why are Nigerians so backward? How does google map cause accidents?? If you go outside of Nigeria most of the drivers or car owners use google maps for directions if they are not familiar with some route(s), map shows directions and not cause accidents the major cause of accident is recklessness

Operating any device while driving is a cause of distraction, and hence accidents. Eyes on the road, always.

UK DVLA recommends your phone must be mounted on to a steady surface, which must be within your view, without you having to stare away to look at it. Dunno how easy it would be to implement this recommendation in Nigeria.

trilobite:
"Apart from performing many of the tests above, though with more reliable and expensive equipment, doctors or paramedics on the scene use technology. They hook a body up to machines that monitor heartbeat, brainwaves, and respiration. If you’ve ever watched a medical show you know exactly what they’re looking for: A flatline. Doctors may also do an ultrasound to see if there’s any heart activity". (https://www.everplans.com/articles/how-to-tell-if-a-person-is-actually-dead)

Defibrillators are used to deliver shocks to revive. They are not used to monitor patient's heartbeat, brainwaves, or respiration.

My beef with the doctor is in not using either method to confirm death before sending her to the mortuary.

"I'll reiterate that no pulse , no breathing, no success at CPR = Death" Medical science has evolved beyond this your unreliable 20th century logic, which is the reason why cases like the girl's keep happening.

Doctors should do more than check pulse, breathing, or CPR before certifying death. He probably didn't do a good job at any of them, hence his wrong death diagnosis.

The problem with your posts is that you think you know, but you don't realise how ignorant you sound, and I'm having to explain myself over and over.

Search what a defibrillator is, then tell me what functions its capable of. You keep saying monitor the the heart, and you're unaware that's part of what a defibrillator does. It assesses the heart rhythm, then delivers a shock if it's a shockable rhythm.

Search what CPR is, it involves basic and advanced life support, whether mouth to mouth, or use of defibrillator and artificial ventilation.

Yes, one can be dead without a flat line aka asystole. Search pulseless electrical activity. One can have normal heart waves and be dead.

There's more to medicine than you can find from cursory online reading.

trilobite:
Now that is the problem!!! Go abroad and see how they certify dead people. You think they just do all those things you mentioned and leave the patients like that?!!

Western medicine had this same problem, that is why you see ambulances in developed world equiped with heart monitors. Once they get a patient, he/she gets connected to the damn machine immediately!!!

Articles for you:

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/14/waking-morgue-death-janina-kolkiewicz

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mashable.com/article/woman-wakes-up-in-morgue.amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/reports/amp14852574/dead-man-woke-up-during-autopsy/

Like I said happens more often than you think.

I'll reiterate that no pulse , no breathing, no success at CPR = Death.
You watch a lot of movies but seem ignorant about the science behind it.
The machines you're referring to are defibrillators to deliver shocks and attempt to restart the heart. That is part of CardioPulmonary Resuscitation.

Well, I think you have started to answer your own questions. You now realise that the implausible situation you've posted has no basis in science and not in any way an indictment of the Nigerian doctor which was your opening salvo.

Doktajay5:
Sorry about your loss bro.

But I have this to tell you.
They didn't kill your father. U should take responsibility for your carelessness. I want to believe u don't know how much loss that hospital have incured on that sentiment of "Dr we will pay in the morning" and next is that the patient have absconded and the MDs eventually make these health workers pay with their small salary.

I mean how long shall health workers continue to pay the bills of absconded patient, while u still expect them to listen to ur cock and bull story.

Why didn't u take money, or your Atm for POS, or even offer to drop any valuable on you.

Oga u didn't try. Just don't blame those workers there.. They don't owe u a duty of treating you free. People have abuse that opportunity severally. See attached pictures..

Health care is money globally.
And this one is a private hospital. Is not as if anybody will look ur face in government hospital neither will u even have anymore ones attention there to tell ur story. Is either u pay and get value or u run losses bro. U just did. Sorry about it.

They actually didn't kill your father, ur nonchalance did.

Epele.

A brilliant case in point.

Nigerians never accept responsibility for poor decisions made, rather there is a frantic attempt to blame someone else.

Condolences to the OP of course, but I bet he did not forget to pay the taxi driver, or pay for petrol on the way, or pay at the toll gate, or pay for airtime in order to inform the extended family to come to hospital and so on and so on. But as soon as he arrives the hospital, he expects to be accepted and the bills settled later, conveniently unaware that a hospital is a business establishment like any other. Unfortunately we haven't got free healthcare, and government will struggle to find the moral licence to mandate hospitals to treat all emergency cases pro bono. And this is what the man on the street should really be campaigning for.

trilobite:
I didn't say he brought a drug from America!!!

Wait, so you have not seen a machine that measures the heart beat of unconscious patients?!! The problem is in your statement " had no signs of life" how did they confirm? That is the beef of my story!! They didn't properly confirm that she was dead before saying so.

This mistake is not totally unusual.

Okay.

You are referring to a defibrillator.
Well you dont need that or an ECG to confirm death.
No pulse, no breathing, no success with CPR = Death
Your story is as implausible as they come.

Segkem2013:
Go back to the post you quoted and read with an open mind.

Basically you're afraid pointing out the perceived grievance would expose your shallow understanding, hence this prevarication.

Segkem2013:
Another terrible doctor spotted. Did you pass comprehension in school? Please read again and know what the doctor's fault was. I'm sure you hardly listen to your patients before administering prescriptions.

Can you point out what the grievance is then? Im waiting
Doctors are not paid to be nice to you, they are there to treat you.
If you are nice, they'll be nice to you too.
If you come with an attitude, be ready for what you get.

trilobite:
You know what? If it didn't happen to someone I was so close to, I'd probably doubt like you because nobody doubt pass me for this life.

But stuff really happened!! My friend was the one taking care of the girl's mother at the hospital through the ordeal.
She called me crying one moment, and celebrated the next. The girl in question is with her big bro now in the states.

The hospital didn't have those pulse checking equipment like you see in Hollywood movies!! So everything was based on the doctor's personal check. One medical person I put it to, said it happens sometimes.

I am not going to give the name of the hospital in Kubwa Abuja, though I took a personal note of making sure people close to me flee from it.

My dear, your post is very ignorant if I'm honest.

It can convince other ignorant nigerians who are too reluctant to ask pertinent questions, but not any one with a rational mind.

Theres nothing like a pulse checking machine to confirm death. Death is the absence of life and human beings have been good at that for decades. Now you tell me someone had no signs of life for three days and received one American wonder drug and popped right back to life.

Seriously?

midnighter:
The patient should be free to ask questions about their health. The hospital is providing them with a service and its their right to make enquiries about it.

Doctors and nurses shouldnt shut people down when they have legitimate concerns in the name of "stop teaching me my job", its wrong.

She's well free to ask questions and that's encouraged.

Did u miss the part she said she would SHOUT what conditions she has. At that point, it's not a conversation anymore but one person being just annoying and difficult to deal with. And if you present yourself in that way, little surprise if you are treated with an attitude.

trilobite:
Also the brother stated something about the way she slept causing her to loose conciousness. He advised her to eat healthy and watch how she lays her head anytime she sleeps.

Baby girl is doing well now.

Haha just dead ridiculous!

Simple question, did you witness this?
If no, which I'm sure is the case, then I can only tell you that as a ball grows by rolling, so does a story.

First, do you think the doctors were remotely capable of doing something as basic as listening for heart sounds, or observing for evidence of breathing. My 90 year old grand mother can do that for context.
If so, then be aware that if the heart stops for 3 minutes, then brain function ceases, and one is technically dead. Yet you say she kept going for 3 days.

Your story therefore is implausible. The fact that baby girl is alive is in itself no credence to the ridiculous story.

Segkem2013:
Hmmmm....

I had a surgery sometime in 2015 in a federal hospital at Abuja, on the surgical bed the doctor meant to fix the drip on my hand kept puncturing my hands and he did so in a very mean manner. A colleague of his asked him to calm down and he started ranting about how someone brushed his car and pulled out the bumper. After that, I needed to go for post surgery treatment. On that particular day I was having this severe headache that ran through my spine and couldn't sit for long as a result Anastasia administered on me. I pleaded with this same premature doctor to allow me see the consultant as I was in sefia pains. This dude was so rude and asked me if I'm the first person to be in pains. I just told him that ''guy even as I am in pains, if I hear Pim from your mouth again, I'll gather my last strength and beat you up'' the guy just waka jejely as me ma don mean am since the day I had the surgery when he used my hands for acupuncture practice. Eventually I saw the chief consultant who told me to drink more water to wash down the effect of the Anastasia and spend more time lying down as against sitting up for the mean time. He also scolded him for not knowing what to do to relieve my pains. I just thank God he wasn't the chief consultant.... I for no see my breakthrough in life.

So, your grievance is that the poor doctor is trying to insert a cannula for you so he can give you some fluids intravenously, then you report him to the consultant who reiterated that you needed fluids -- which the doctor was doing already. Can you not see there's no sense in your post, and yet numerous people have liked it because they're biased against doctors.

My friend, doctors can't transfer fluids from the drip to your veins magically. They need to put a cannula first, and often, this may have to be tried multiple times before one is successfully inserted. If you're in pain, ask "I'm hurting all over, I don't think I can take one more attempt", "is there someone else who could try?" But if you come with your attitude, then that's a problem. Knowing Nigerians, you would criticise the doctor in your husky voice, and order him to bring the chief consultant and you expect a hug and a kiss.

Omoluabi16:
Had a serious health issue years back, that required immediate diagnosis. I really doubted if I was going to last the next 24 hours......Then the government hospital scheduled my appointment for 3 month's time.

Private hospitals will always give value for money. Very friendly doctors and motherly nurses. The Young nurses are always beautiful too.

Some of these posts are just insane.

Did you really schedule an outpatient appointment when you knew you had less than 24 hours. What then is the purpose of Accident and Emergency??

People make stupid decisions and put the blame on doctors.

Mr man, if you feel you have an immediately life threatening condition, show up at A&E, no one will turn you back,.

nnekaike:
One thing I do when I go any hospital is to ASK QUESTIONS about everything,if you can't answer me and explain well I leave immediately, I check every drug,injection and drip and SHOUT any conditions the person have. Any treatment I am not comfortable with I reject at once.

Seeing as you know so much about medicine, why don't you just treat yourself??

People go to hospitals to teach doctors and nurses their job, and expect to get a hug and a kiss. Seriously??

trilobite:
Happened to a very good friend of mine:

One girl slept didn't wake up and was rushed to the hospital. The doctors ran tests, and did all they could (in their illiterate mind) before confirming her dead.

The mum however refused the hospital moving her daughter to the mortuary, insisting she was alive. Now when someone dies a final injection is given to the corpse before the body is moved. The mum fought tooth and nail against it's administration.

The family ordered one of their doctor sons in the USA to come back and run a final check on his sister. He took an immediate flight and arrived a few days later. Now note throughout all this the girl's body was covered on the hospital bed like a dead corpse.

Dude came in, didn't even need any fancy equipment, just checked her body and confirmed.....SHE WAS ALIVE!!!! He ordered specific tests, gave her some injections after which she regained conciousness.

The incident still scares me to this day. If not the family had him, the hospital would have killed their daughter. How many people who are in a worst financial situation have suffered a worst fate?

God help us.

THIS IS NOTHING SHORT OF A LIE!!

LIAR LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE!!

This would probably be lost in the numerous unflattering reviews but I want to thank Nigerian doctors for being so amazing

I had appendicitis in 2016 and went to federal medical centre in Umuahia. I was treated with respect, nurses ensured I wasn't in pain. The doctors removed my appendix as an emergency and I was transferred to a medical ward where I received my antibiotics exactly on time. I am prone to scarring but the surgery was so perfectly done that the scar has disappeared. I am well appreciative of the services provided by the doctors, nurses, lab staff, porters at federal medical centre umuahia. Good job guys!

A lot of Nigerians go to hospitals with a massive chip on their shoulder, then wonder why they get an attitude. Lose that chip, my brother and sister. Respect our hospital staff, they are working to keep us all alive in a highly disadvantaged system.

grandstar:
Your statements seems unnecessarily harsh. You sounded condemnatory.

A simple "Doctor, thanks for this post. It is quite educative. I would suggest next time you use a black skin as it will make us understand it better. This Oyinbo skin dey confuse me. All the same thanks"

Midnighter -thanks btw- has responded in much the same way as I would have.
If you read my post, I'm pointing out that our teaching methods are inefficient. You, me, OP are all products of this system, hence I can hardly be said to be condemning the OP, nor am i being harsh.
My post clearly refers to a collective responsibility rather than singling out OP. For clarity, I said "our teaching methods..." , "we know..." . The only time I referred directly to the OP is to emphasise he's the resource person, more knowledgeable than us all on the subject, but even then, our teaching methods would make his practical knowledge less than completely perfect.

Teaching a black population with images intended for a white population - our teaching methods are impractical, that is why we know a lot of theory, but when scabies hits real life, even OP won't recognise it because he will be looking for a pink rash and finding none on our melanated skin.

Of course the Institute of Crop Research exists but only as another reason to inflate our yearly budget. Where things work, the yam seedlings from this massive harvest will be understudied to improve our agricultural output. And with a harvest like that replicated, think what it can do as a forex earner.

gypsey:
well... i understand That it would appear discriminatory and i Agree it is. but as i said, they would claim that they are doing their Jobs, I have had Arguements with customs/Immigrations Numerous times in Various countries to the extent that i am worn out of Aguing, as they always gave the same excuse of "doing their Jobs" or protecting their country.

At the End of the day, i am a black/African man, i will always be picked on or Discriminated At the any point of entry or otherwise. it is what it is.


I don't know if i should say We/blacks/Africans brought it upon ourselves, with our Unkind or Questionable characters.

I just wanted to point out that alot of us go through the same treatment. Why this Governor thinks or believes he should treated differently baffles me. Obviously they didn't view him as A Governor of a country hence his disapproval.

He should experience what we go through Always.

I appreciate your explanation. I responded to your post because you earlier called out the governor for being 'ignorant' and 'illiterate' which I don't agree with. He's asking some hard questions, and broaching a topic many Nigerian travelers have experienced. Many Nigerians on this thread don't understand why he was searched, they perhaps think it's on suspicion of smuggling money which it isn't. The hard truth is he was being searched for possibly conveying hard drugs on his person. For Nigerians, these people don't trust the full body scanner enough and they want to make assurance double sure... and it is this double standards that's humiliating.

Your approach is one of helplessness, surrender, defeatism -- and I do not mean this in a negative wayat all as this is exactly how a lot of Nigerians feel. Better to endure the humiliation, and get on with our lives, we tell ourselves, aware of the acts of our countrymen that have necessitated these double standards.

One day, we will pick on this battle, to challenge this discriminatory behaviour, but as yet, as Nigerians , we are involved in far too many battles that we haven't got an army at present to challenge this behaviour, so I can see why your approach of helpless surrender appears the easy way out.

Have a good day my friend.