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agaugust:
Error 1...

Gripen radar in ground operation mode for scan is 75 km and tracking is about 50 km.

Error 2....

Gripen radar will detect ALL vehicles on the 50 km road or space and will NEVER differentiate a Roland from other vehicles, radars show you dots and beep, ONLY a Tv camera can show you the what is a car or a bus.

I think we should leave this Roland issue alone before you Southies commit s.uicide today o !
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1. Citation needed
2. Citation needed

agaugust:
History says one Harrier jet was in the air and dropped two bombs.

SANDF fights NO WAR, so you guys don't know how real war is fought. The Roland operator was well trained, jet in the air and two bombs, if you fire 3 missiles and the pilot deploys chaff and flares, it can waste all 3 missiles. the Roland man fired 8 missiles to guarantee victory over any false targets released as ECM or chaff by the enemy jet pilot.

South Africa has NOTHING like a Roland system so you will never know standard air defence tactics unless Nigerians teach you.

Roland fired 8 missiles and destroyed ALL TARGETS AVAILABLE IN THE AIR.....100% kill rate....perfect
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Where does history say one harrier was in the air and dropped two bombs?

History says Roland fired 8 missiles and got 3 hits.

History says Roland operational accuracy is 37%

Trash

agaugust:
How does a Gripen identify a Roland when there are other tracked vehicles, T-72, MT-LB, Scorpion, Shilka AAA....at 6 km above sea level, your pilot sees nothing on ground due to distance and cloud cover....at 40 km stand-off range radar is picking all vehicles that look like tanks from city to city over a long distance....confusion....cannot identify a Roland among the whole lot.....GPS is useless, the Roland is a vehcile and is mobile....can change position randomly.....laser designator is useless because your soldier cannot enter Nigerian base or territory as infantry will slaughter h.im.

You see why air to ground attack jet pilots are forced to take risk and enter range of enemy air defences, NAF faced that challenge against Boko Haram....only ATR-42 Surveyor was able to solve most problems of target identification and yet it had to fly within SAM range, but only AAA was a threat.

I am just education you South Africans about how difficult air to ground attack war can be, and how useless very long range weapons can be in a war....100 km range bomb looking for target in a distant city....waste of time when you face an enemy like Nigeria.

PHOTO : NAF ATR-42 SURVEYOR ELINT...DOING GROUND SURVEY TARGET IDENTIFICATION FOR NIGERIAN FORCES IN WAR THEATRE
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1. Gripen PS-05/A can detect ground targets at 120km?
2. What is a recon satelight?
3. What is Thales Sophie ground search radar?
4. Laser designation can be deployed from Sniper-Pods or by SF/SOF who have a long history of deploying deep behind enemy lines.

Who says that you cannot see ground targets with Recce pods from high altitude?

100km bombs a waste of time? Are bridges mobile? Ammo dumps? Runways? Hangars? Controll towers? Motor-pools? Fuel Storage facilities? Ammo dumps? Power stations? Oil infrastructure?

Clown

agaugust:
Nigeria has 20 Alpha jets all upgraded to 2013 modern European standard and 2014 American standard. The American versions fire PGMs.

11 F-7 jets with year 2005 radar and avionics, and a deadly modern PL-9C missile.

MBB 339 are in Italy for upgrade.

L-39 Albatross has Czech upgrade in the last decade.

Hawk jets have no radar and are just trainers in light ground attack role. The pilots have ZERO air to ground combat experience on the Hawks.

South Africa has 9 Gripen pilots not combat qualified but manageable to fly air show at Mandela's funeral only.

The radar on the Gripen are 1995 era...20 years obsolete Gripen radars.

SAAF Gripens have less than 1 missile for each jet aircraft...approximately 0.98 missiles per jet.

If I need an air force for a comedy show, I will hire South African air force.....your combat status will make the world to laugh !

South Africa is in same bucket with Malawi according to United Nations military rankings released in Congo DRC
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Nigeria has two upgraded Alpha jets

Hawks can engage air-to-air targets with missiles and a connection to Link-ZA. While the a-darter has lock-on-after-launch, meaning that it can be dry-fired without any targeting info at all.

Gilfino radar on the F-7 is from the 1980's

SAAF has 18 Gripen aircrew and 52 Hawks aircrew.

A-darter production starts this year - our supply will soon only be constrained by how many the production line can turn out per month.

Your airforce is utter trash, the F-7 cannot be compared to the Gripen in the same way your old Alpha jets cannot be compared to the Hawk.

agaugust:
3 targets were shot down means 3 targets were in the air, you need the historian to explain to that to you ?

Navy cook
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All it says is 8 missiles were fired.

only 3 hit.

37% hit rate.

These are the facts.

Pretend Mercenary.

agaugust:
Link-ZA is not a radar it's datalink, where does it get information ? Do you have anything like Nigerian ATR-42 ELINT Surveyor with 330 km radar range to search the ground ?
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First, your ATR-42 does not have 330km radar. As has been shown before.

Second, yes its called the Gripen. NATO's favorit recon platform.

Third, Umbani can be preprogrammed to hit GPS co-ords.

agaugust:
Is that the answer to my question? Are you siick ?

You said South Africa had the same radar as Roland some time ago, I said post the proof with a source, instead you are telling stories again, same old stories you have been repeating like a defeated retaard.

Show us proof of your claim that SANDF had the same Roland radar ...show us now !
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How old are you?

Why do you get so emotional?

agaugust:
Fail !!!

Hawk jets have NO radar to detect ground targets.

You fail
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You are right.

They dont have radar.

But they have link-ZA to feed them targetting data.

Umbani can be pre-programmed with targets and be launched independantly of targetting data.

agaugust:
I need only 2 points to demolish your garbage post above :

1. Nigerian Roland missiles are still active, displayed as missiles in service during public parade in 2013 Nigerian army days celebration, photos were posted here many times. NA has 300 Roland missiles combat ready today.

2. You cannot be flying Gripen jets and Hawk jets into Nigerian airspace and assume that Nigerian air force will be sleeping at home, not only you have an air force to use on an enemy's ground army, the enemy air force too will fly and challenge you air to air.

[s]F-7 jets = 11 units
Alpha jets....both French upgrade of 2013 and American upgrade of 2015 = 20 units
MBB 339 jets = 12 units
L-39 jets = 18 units

NAF will meet SAAF in the air with Nigeria's 60 jet fighters, we have a very active air force today, tested and fearless pilots ![/s]
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1. Parading missiles does not mean they are operational. Iraq bought theirs at the same time as you and theirs expired in 2003.

2. You will be sleeping since you have no air-defence radar to detect us.

Sorry... I thought you had valid points? Where are they?

agaugust:
Crime does not pay, avoid manipulating the truth on this forum, because you don't know the length I can go to prove you are a fraud
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- Su30
- Super Tucano's
- 150 T55's
- Missile armed OPV's
- Otomat Mk2
- T80 Oplot
- FH77 B05 L52

Sorry... you said something about fraud?

You didnt prove I was a fraud, I asked you for a citation and for once you posted it. I am quite amazed that you actually substantiated your claims for once.

agaugust:
[s]Your are not even ashamed to ask me that question, you that went to Wikipedia to delete Roland war history of shooting down bombs, untill Nigerians disgraced you here publicly.....anointed fraudster.....shame on you.

Go to google and find a list of Roland kills recorded, I won't repeat it for you, I posted it here yesterday along with y.our 'Obituary' .....remember that post the d.emolished you beyond repair yesterday ? The answer to your question is there....fraudster[/s]
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Are you still bragging about providing a citation to back your claims?

Well done, for the first time you met the standards that South African posters follow.

Only confirmed kills are one harrier and one A-10

This stands until you provide proof otherwise.

Why are you unable to debate without throwing insults? Does this forum make you that emotional?

You want to talk fraud? Shall i post the list of your lies again?

agaugust:
at that altitude, the enemy jet pilot is blind and CANNOT identify any target on ground with certainty.
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If this is true why do B52 Stratoforteresses use the same sniper pods as our Gripen?

The B52 operates at around 40 000ft

Also, what are GPS co-ordinates and can bombs be programed to hit them?

agaugust:
Unfortunately South African military has NOTHING that can take out a Nigerian Roland.

I proved that ALL your expensive guided bombs will be sh.ot down easily.

Roland only for Sub-sonic fighters?

You just proved that ALL you are saying about Roland is total rubbish comments based on fear, envy, and humiliation.

Roland shot down many supersonic speed jets :

F-5E Tiger

F-4E Phantom

GR-1 Tornado with 2,400 km/hr supersonic speed limit and 1,500 km/hr supersonic speed in attack mode at medium and low level.

Nigerian Roland missile is the king of air defence in all Sub-Saharan Africa today
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Can we please see citations for air kills?

Your Rolands can be defeated by Jamming from SAAF

or by saturation attack from just 6 SAAF aircraft.

If Roland can shoot down guided bombs so easily why was it unable to do so in Iraq where thousands were dropped?

agaugust:
Envy is your problem.

Roland fired it's 8 missiles against 3 targets and sh.ot down all 3 targets at the same time.....world class performance.

You are back as a navy cook to say anti-aircraft guns are better than anti-aircraft missiles.

So envious of Nigerian Roland you now say SANDF GDF gun is better in that war, show us where GDF gun, one GDF gun alone shot down a jet and 2 bombs at the same time....show us....

Envy is k.illing the navy cook of South Africa, let me rub my Roland photo in your ugly face again this early morning....
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Nope

Roland fires 8 missiles

Only 3 hit

Thats 37% hit accuracy

Absolutely terrible

agaugust:
Go ask all the Iranian jets, British jets, and American jets that were easily sh.ot down by Roland missile.

Are you more skillful and intelligent that all those professional NATO jet fighter pilots that were sh.ot down by Roland ?

Show us your own air force pilot credentials please....prove to us your are smarter than the American/British professionals, show us...
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You mean:

One obsolete Harrier (out of 155 RAF aircraft involved in the Falklands war)

One sub-sonic A10

A whole 2 planes

Wow - so impressive

agaugust:
[size=16pt]Roland 2 version is all weather day and night.....radar works both day and night, a radar is not a daytime only equipment, you are mistaken a sole optical eye sight for a radar system.

Unlucky South African...Roland will kill everything existing in South African air force, day or night.

LOL....these Southies are terrorized by Nigerian Roland o ! Fear catch them

See Nigerian Mr. Roland posing with confidence to shatter South Africa.....
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Roland is obsolete trash

Missiles past their expiry date, highly seceptable to saturation attack due to a lack of Battle-Feild managment systems and early warning radar

MikeCZAR:
Yes, it rotates 360 degrees at 60rpm.


It can't detect a bomb flying above 4500m and able to attack it a trajectory 90 degrees.

I dont think he understands what you are saying

To put your words even more simply: Radar looks out - not directly up

agaugust:
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all those toys have been taken care of by Nigerian military arsenal as the second most powerful military in Africa only next to Egypt.


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How, you have none of the following:

- Integrated air defense datalink
- early warning radars
- VSHORAD
- CRAM
- Battle-Feild Management systm

agaugust:
The world class and highly experienced British Royal air force FAILED to succeed with all tricks on the Roland at Stanley air base, angle 90 degrees did not save the Harrier jets, Roland sh.ot them down, from any angle the enemy came, the Roland is a 360 degree radar, it's not a one way radar inside the nose cone of a jet, it's an external rotating 360 degree circular radar you dummy

[s]The British invented radar on this planet and they know about radar 1,000 times more than your tiny Soweto peanut b.rain can imagine, you just come here to cook up hallucinations about beating a radar that has beaten the British masters of radar....Mumu [/s]

One single Roland all alone sh.ot down two bombs and one jet fighter ALL at the same time, then you say it was only tracking one target at a time? That lone Roland just finished off 3 targets all at the same time. Dundee you are !

South Africa has NO solution to Nigerian Roland missiles.

You CANNOT enter Nigerian airspace side of the battle line and fly at 90 degrees above the head of Nigerian ground forces, NAF F-7 jets will be engaging your jets in air to air war before you go that far....you think only you have an air force? Fool
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First, lets get this straight.

Roland shot down one single Harrier. An ancient plane with low performance flying at low level. The british still hit port Stanley with Vulcan bombers operating at high altitude.

No one said it shot them down all at the same time - you are making that up

South Africa's solution is saturation attack - your Rolands can be defeated with just 6 aircraft

You have no early warning radar so you wont even know we are in your air-space, we can operate at will.

agaugust:
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[size=16pt]Fellow Nigerians, may name is Augustine, my nickname is agaugust....because I am a stammerer and in school I stammer when I want to pronounce my name Aug...ag..gus..ga gust.... That is how I got the school nick name Agaugust.

On this nairaland forum, I want to assure you all that South African military is ZERO threat to Nigerian military.

Never mind all the photos of SANDF and DENEL products posted on this thread/forum, all those toys have been taken care of by Nigerian military arsenal as the second most powerful military in Africa only next to Egypt.

[s]Now, there has been a long argument on this thread/forum since two years ago in year 2013 till today 2015 :

I insist that Britain Vs Argentina Falkland war history records confirms and proves that one vehicle of Roland missiles sh.ot down two bombs dropped by British Royal air force jet fighter and the aircraft itself as it attacked Argentina's air base.

So, I insist that Nigerian army Roland missile systems, 300 missiles on 16 mobile vehicle launchers, will shoot down ALL Paveway and Umbani guided bombs of South African Gripen jets and Hawk jets, and also shoot down the jets themselves if they attempt what the British did.

I am a military researcher, and I work in defence industry, if I know what can happen in real combat/war/battle, I will say it and insist on it based on scientific evidence, historical evidence, technical evidence, and evidence from real military men I work with.

In 2014, Patches the South African fraudster deleted the source from Wikipedia in 2014 to confuse the world about what the Nigerian Roland can do to South African military. However, I restored it back and the whole of this forum knew that 50 million South Africans = 50 million fraudsters.

Today, the argument has surfaced again, South Africans say my source is only Wikipedia and not acceptable, I insist that the Wikipedia source is with citation from Janes Defence publication respected worldwide.

As a military researcher, I can tell you that only a born fool from his mother's womb will claim and continue to claim that a high speed missile cannot sh.oot down a slow speed bomb in combat. [/s]

[s]I don't need any source to prove me right, I know what I know. However, for the sake of the innocent public whom these fraudulent and retaarded South Africans always try to deceive everyday with lies and deliberate misinformation about real life war, I have decided to post the original pages of the Janes Defence publications that prove : [/s] [/size]



[size=25pt] Roland Missile Shot Down Bombs in Falkland war !

Janes Defence Report Published below.

Final Proof !

Nigerian Missiles Will Defeat Every Weapon In South African Air Force .

Case Closed.

https://planesandstuff.files./2014/05/janes-artillery-air-defence.pdf

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Ok, so you have shown that the Roland can shoot down bombs. I was wrong. Unlike you, I am a man and I can freely admit that.

Now we can continue the argument:

Its hit ratio is 3/8

Thats a 37% hit rate.

You only have 16 Rolands of the Roland 2 category (not the shelter based launcher with the 10 second reload)

So that means that before it has to be manually reloaded each Roland can fire only 2 missiles.

16 times 2 is 32 - you can fire 32 missiles before you have to stop to reload.

37% of 32 is 11.

You will likely only hit 11 targets in one attack. South Africa has 50 PGM's imported from the US and unknown quantities of glide bombs.

Each Gripen can carry 5 PGM's and each Hawk can carry 5 PGM's.

This means that an attack by 3 Gripen and 3 Hawks will overwhelm your air-defences.

This means that in a single-strike with just 6 Aircraft we can destroy all of your Rolands and leave you completely naked.

"Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics"

Your Rolands cannot shoot down South African jets flying at 6km.

Finally, who says they are even operational? You purchased them in the 1980's and have bought no new missiles... Iraq purchased theirs at the same time and their missiles expired in 2003.

Finally, your central claim is that you are a military researcher - its what gives your claims substance. Now, you have to prove you are - because, if you are not a military researcher then your post is nothing but opinion

agaugust:
CRAM was invented majorly to shoot d.own MISSILES more than ordinary bombs, the big threat is guided missiles NOT bombs.

The world was not shooting down all bombs since world war II 1939 because there was no surface to air missile system like Roland until about 1980..... a fool like you think Roland existed in 1939 World War II when nobody had any SAM missiles in this world....fool.

Only a few countries have Roland, and Argentina is the first country with Roland that face a challenge at an airbase defended by Roland, they use it to shoot down British air force jets and bombs.

Iraq was face by many world power nation s launching thousands of thousands of cruise missiles and guided air to surface missiles that are enough to overwhelm even Russia.

South Africa does NOT even have one single cruise missile or guided air to surface missile to threaten Nigeria.

Roland at speed 2,000 km/hr will shoot down a 150 km/hr Umbani bomb.

By the way, how will SANDF walk into Nigerian army base and hand place laser designators for your Umbani inside Nigerian army camp ?

Fools of Soweto, you think guided bombs are witches and wizards that have 3rd eye ?

Anyway, Roland according to janes defence, shot down British bombs in Falkland war
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CRAM is a capability you dont have meaning all your AAA systems are unable to shoot down bombs

Bombs fall at 1000kmph

Laser designation can be done via targeting pods, or GPS co-ords can be used to drop the bomb on target

agaugust:
Guided bombs will speed up to about 150 km/hr.....reality of life, all bombs will be shot down by Roland missile with easy ease.

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How?

Roland saw extensive combat in the Falklands and in Iraq

It never shot down any bombs

Infact, with the millions of tonnes of bombs dropped since ww2... why is there no one single example of one being shot down?

CRAM was invented specifically to shoot down bombs, it is a brand new technology, and you dont have it

These are the facts

Deal with it.

Yet again, you attempt to de-rail this thread when South African capabilities outmatch yours.

agaugust:
That is what scientists call experiment without a laboratory, a mathematical hypothesis, needs no laboratory, a paper calculated 'experiment'.

It's the same thing you are trapped with on your paper and pen calculations that you posted as a photo. It's for a vacuum.

The source clearly says his chart is for free fall bomb speed INSIDE a perfect vacuum....

"The chart shows that the vertical velocity of a bomb dropped from 20,000ft in a vacuum would be the tremendous value of 773 m.p.h. (This figure applies to any piece of matter ; even a feather released at this height in a perfect vacuum would hit the ground at 773 m.p.h or about 1,200 km/hr."

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1940/1940%20-%202755.html

Nobody can ever calculate the real speed of a guided bomb in combat, every drop will be determined by :

1. Different horizontal wind resistance
2. Different aircraft
3. Different vertical air resistance
4. Different bomb weight
5. Different air density
6. Different bomb shape and added external kit
7. Different sideways wind resistance
8. Different bomb size
9. Different target mobility
10. Different bomb movements and directional guidance correction



That is the reason why you guys have searched internet tired today and you cannot find any military source for the speed of a dropped bomb.

Also, that is why NO MANUFACTURER in this world has ever quoted combat speed for it's guided bomb.

Show us the manufacturers' data specs sheet for the speed of Paveway and Umbani guided bombs? I dare you all


Your problem is that you think you are smarter than all military analysts and bomb manufacturers of this world, you want to become an Albert Einstein by proving the speed of a guided bomb, something that intelligent people of this world have carefully avoided for decades.

Fool

Now to your question I quote below :

"I asked you, how can a skydiver fall at 200km/h, faster than Umbani, which you claim falls at 150km/h?."

Simple, the Skydiver is smaller in size than the Umbani bomb, he is about half the size of the bomb and therefore less air resistance on him.

Also, he has no wings and the wings of a guided Umbani creates more surfaces for air to push back against and slow down the bomb.

Next, the skydiver falls free downwards, but the Umbani at 40 km away from target is also using it's little battery energy to glide forward over the distance of a whole city to city transit !

First, every single time seconds your bomb travels, it faces more exposure to air resistance horizontally pushing it backwards in a straight line.

Second, more wind resistance pushing it sideways off course and forcing it to re-correct and re-direct flight path via the guidance system to avoid going off course and missing target because it is a precision weapon and that causes up-down oscillation movement common to guided bombs.

Third, another air resistance is pushing upwards against the bomb vertically while the bomb falls down in altitude.....3 different air resistances backwards, sideways and upwards all against the guided bomb because of it's horizontal travel long distance range of many kilometers !

The skydiver man does not travel 40 km from city to city, or does he? No, he has far less struggle against air resistance, he will land on ground with more speed than your guided bomb, if he makes 200 km/hr....your bomb will make about 150 km/hr.

Let me tell you reality to save you guys from trapping and drowning yourselves into repeated delusions and hallucinations :

A bomb is slower than a missile, fact that needs no argument, all eyes see that.

A bomb has NO rocket combustion system to power it like a missile, so bombs will forever be slower than missile.

The speed of an AGM-65 Maverick missile is about 1,000 km/hr....a missile

Patches says the speed of Umbani bomb will be about 1,000 km/hr....a bomb

How does a free fall bomb and a rocket fuel powered missile move at the same speed ? Mission impossible.

That is the simple practical life proof that shows you that your assumption of a 1,000 km/hr speed bomb is very wrong, the world has NEVER built or seen such a thing !

Manufacturers publish the speed of their missiles BUT none ever published the speed of their manufactured guided bombs !

Guided bombs will speed up to about 150 km/hr.....reality of life, all bombs will be shot down by Roland missile with easy ease.

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[size=15pt]Augustus,

For the bomb to reach terminal velocity it cannot be falling in a vacuum. Furthermore, i said 550-650 m.p.h not 770mph - which shows that I am not using the value gained from free fall in a vacuum.

It must be remembered, however, that the surface roughness of the bomb is greater than that of the aeroplane, and this will cause considerable resistance at high speed. So it is likely that the T.V. of a bomb is in the 550 to 650 m.p.h. range.
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1940/1940%20-%202755.html


See they even talk about the roughness of the bomb causing resistance at high speed!!

Bombs fall at 550-650 m.p.h [/size]

[size=20pt]All that Augustus is trying to do with this childish argument is distract everyone from the fact that Nigeria has no means to defend itself against sustained attack from Hawks and Gripen dropping PGM's and stand-off munitions.

Nigeria had to call in foreign help to deal with Boko-Haram.... yet they still think they stand a chance against the SANDF [/size]

agaugust:
Listen to a wise man, quoted below :

"Depends on drop method, air resistance, weight, and drop altitude. A bomb from a dive bomber would be much faster since it is "launched" at the diving aircraft's speed. Dropped from a conventional bomber, at some speed, air resistance will balance acceleration and the bomb will reach terminal velocity. This will take much longer to happen with a bomb from a dive bomber. In either case, the bomb must be released high enough to allow time to reach terminal velocity. Sorry I can't give you actual numbers."

See how you Southies contradict yourselves, Saengine says 200 km/hr, Patches says 1,000 km/hr

Now, you two fools, show us manufacturers specifications datasheet showing the speed of a guided bomb in this world

Soweto fools, na inside vacuum una go sink today
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So you are literally unable to read simple english sentances?

I asked you, how can a skydiver with a higher drag coefficient than a streamlined bomb fall at a terminal velocity of 200km/h?

This guy is just trolling now.

agaugust:
[size=20pt].....inside a vacuum.

The ONLY experiment done was inside a vacuum where no air exists, is that a normal world?

Fool

No experiment was done in real air, show us a real air test dude !
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Not even worth replying to.

Speed is 1000km/h with drag

End of story.

agaugust:
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[size=20pt]No proof ! So nice to see you surrender openly
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[size=20pt]Proof has been posted. And quite clearly says that max fall speed is around 1000km/h[/size]

agaugust:
[size=20pt]Post for us to see, a chart or source for the speed of a bomb dropped inside real air, your current story is about a bomb dropped inside a vacuum.

Show us the one that is dropped in normal air and tell us the speed, we are tired of your brain vacuum theory
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[size=20pt]Augustus.

I dont have to show you anything.

The citation clearly lays out the fall speed of a bomb with wind resistance.

Terminal velocity is only achievable with resistance, and the terminal velocity of a bomb is 550-650 mph. This is clearly different to the figure of 773 mph that a bomb can achieve in a vacuum.

There is no argument, it is as clear as the light of day.

If you are lonely and need someone to talk to, go to the relationships section of nairaland. I am not going to waste my time entertaining you.

If you are embarrassed because you were unable to read and understand the citation, or because we have exposed another hole in your education, then I recommend you be a man and deal with it.

Either way stop pulling this thread into the gutter. [/size]

agaugust:
[size=20pt]The bomb was dropped inside a vacuum....so your whole argument is destroyed by your own source.

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Ok, so you are too dense to use google.

Let me explain: Terminal Velocity is based on drag. Drag does not exist in a vacuum.

Their calculation of 650 m.p.h takes into account wind resistance

So it is likely that the T.V (terminal velocity) of a bomb is in the 550 to 650 m.p.h. range
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1940/1940%20-%202755.html


In future, I recommend you read the WHOLE CITATION before you start arguing. I know reading is hard for you, but if you just keep practicing, you will get better. Dont give up.

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agaugust:
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LOL....LOLZ...LOLLY LOL....

You are still repeating the same suicidal quote again to w.reck yourself publicly, see the bolded part of your above quote in green font....bomb dropped in a vacuum....no air for the pilot to even breathe, no air for the jet engine to do fuel combustion and fly

Your whole argument is d.estroyed by the fact that the speed of 550 mph, 650 mph, or 773 mph, all over 1,000 km/hr, is achieved by dropping that bomb inside a perfect vacuum where no air exists, so you have to suck out all the air on planet earth to achieve your 1,000 km/hr speed according to your own source evidence :

"The chart shows that the vertical velocity of a bomb dropped from 20,000ft. in a vacuum would be the tremendous value of 773 m.p.h. (This figure applies to any piece of matter ; even a feather released at this height in a perfect vacuum would hit the ground at 773 m.p.h or about 1,200 km/hr ."

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1940/1940%20-%202755.html

Your poor South African education has k.illed Patches & Co in self-suicide

The fear of Nigeria is the beginning of common sense !

Top 10 ranked South African education is worse than that of Congo DRC !

Bwahahaahaha ! Patches has been e-slaughtered on internet today again o !

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Augustus, you dont know what terminal velocity is!?

Your poor education has let him down again!!


So it is likely that the T.V (terminal velocity) of a bomb is in the 550 to 650 m.p.h. range

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1940/1940%20-%202755.html

Go google terminal velocity and see why you are a fool

(Hint: There is no terminal velocity in a vacuum)

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agaugust:
[size=13pt]Bwahahahaha

@Patches failed basic science in school like all South Africans do fail

Read your own source, it actually posted data for free fall bomb in a vacuum where there is no air existing leading to assumption of zero air resistance to slow down a normal falling objects !

"The chart shows that the vertical velocity of a bomb dropped from 20,000ft. in a vacuum would be the tremendous value of 773 m.p.h. (This figure applies to any piece of matter ; even a feather released at this height in a perfect vacuum would hit the ground at 773 m.p.h or about 1,200 km/hr "

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1940/1940%20-%202755.html

[s]LOL....so no air exists in this world where you fly your SAAF jet aircraft ? Hilarious !

Patches has k.illed h.imself with his own source, he flies Gripen and Hawk jets dropping guided bombs in the world that has no air existing...a perfect vacuum....how does he even get oxygen to breath and stay alive ?

Fact is that in real life, your Soweto guided bomb max speed is about 150 km/hr .

All South Africans are the dullest 50 million people in the world....ZERO maths ZERO science

South Africa's best universities in Africa are producing the worst brains in Africa [/s]

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I said 550-650 mph not 773. If you were literate you would know this.

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As is supported by their calculations which include considerations of air resistance


[size=16pt]The chart shows that the vertical velocity of a bomb dropped from 20,000ft. in a vacuum would be the tremendousvalue of 773 m.p.h. (This figure applies to any piece of matter ; even a feather released at this height in a perfect vacuum would hit the ground at 773 m.p.h.—and would probably penetrate it.

We approached question from the other way, we know that the terminal velocity of a streamlined modern monoplane is something like 500 or 600 m.p.h. Its shape corresponds somewhat to a bomb with wings, so it is likely that the terminal velocity of the bomb, having no wings, will be somewhat higher. It must be remembered, however, that the surface roughness of the bomb is greater than that of the aeroplane, and this will cause considerable resistance at high speed. So it is likely that the T.V. of a bomb is in the 550 to 650 m.p.h. range
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1940/1940%20-%202755.html


There you have it, bombs fall at speeds approaching 1046.07km/h

Once and for all the matter is now beyond argument.

And since you mis-read my first post, and then couldent understand the citation, and since you thought that air-gets denser at altitude, I am forced to correct your earlier statement with:

All Nigerians are the dullest 150 million people in the world....ZERO maths ZERO science ZERO reading ability!!

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So you admit that you deliberately committed an act of fraud by deleting world recorded war history from Wikipedia to mislead the world and win yourself a false victory in an argument ?

Shame on South Africa as a nation, shame !

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Nope.

I removed misleading information