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EVarn:
http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/nigeria/military-expenditure
Nigeria splashed $369 Billion on military expenditure in 24 years!.
In 2014,our defence budget increased by 100% to over $7 Billion.

I dont know where you get your "$7 billion" from since your "citation" only goes to 2011 and a peak of $3,6 Billion is recorded.

And, FYI, your source quotes SIPRI - and most recent info from Sipri is that your budget is just over $2 billion and that it has fallen for a third year in a row.

While, again, by your own source South Africa has spent $416 Billion over the same period of time and while you only spent $3,6 billion in 2011 we were spending $3,7... and our military is half the size of yours.

Good one there, dingus.

agaugust:
So you have ZERO proof of all your claims !

You just pulled those words out of your äss hole and posted them on Nairaland.....cool...real cool

@Patches, in a lying and deception competition, I will surrender to you without a fight
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How else does an actor generate income if not through acting?

Do you think someone gave her $100 million from the charity of their own heart?

You want to talk lies? ok:

- Missile armed OPV's
- T80 Oplot
- Tucano
- FH-77 B05 L52
- 40km ranged RH-70's
- Su30
- BVRAM range on PLC-9 missiles
- Otomat Mk2
- "hundreds" of T72s in Nigeria


Your history of lies is well known and well documented

agaugust:
Patches lies so randomly he forgets what he said on page 5, then on page 10 he contradicts himself, his fraud anointing needs upgrade in that area, however, I admit that he is a gifted liar
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Augustus.

It is quite clear what is happening

You are sad that your artillery has a shorter range than ours.

And despite bragging about non-existant 40km range... you have no turned around and said that a 40km range is useless because artillery deploys on the frontline.

You dont understand how artillery works - you cant even wrap your head around the use of spotters.

I shall give you your last free lesson:

- artillery deploys to the rear
- spotters, drones, aircraft, satelights , communications intercepts, ground based radar all provide targets along and behind the frontlines
- artillery shoots those targets from a distance.

OUR artillery can shell YOUR frontline from ranges that prevent YOUR artillery engaging OUR artillery in counter-battery fire.

YOUR artillery has to come into range of OUR artillery in order to shell OUR frontline meaning we can engage YOUR artillery in counter-battery fire.

EVarn:
That is simply the reality on ground.Nigeria will be the first Sub-Saharan African country to fly F-16s into battle,its already on the drawing board.
Our Apaches will most likely come from Isreal,obviously with the full backing of the US.
S-400 ADMs will be procured in battalions,along with T80 MBTs.Hummer APCs will rave through our streets in hundreds.
We can more than afford the SU-30 and Rafale,we run on a $7-8 Billion defence budget,that is more than enough to procure 3 squadrons of the SU-30 with enough cash to spare.
The JF-17 was designed similar to the J-10,though it isnt battle tested,however,it is a potent 4th generation striker designed for air superiority and missile load.moreover,it is easy to upgrade.

Yes, and that drawing board is the delusions in your head.

US wont sell you arms now, why would they suddenly sell you their most precious arms?

actually... wait... i am not wasting my time responding to this gibberish.

Your defence budget is $2 billion.

You can barely afford to feild the army you have - let alone buy all this gear.

agaugust:
Okay, you know admit that artillery sits on the front line.

You were trying to deceive this forum some days ago .

Anointed fraudster
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Nope.

Read what I said - it may end up on the front lines on occasion.

I dont know if you realize this, but war is fluid front lines may shift 50km in a couple of hours, guns can get caught out of position. Just like a Brigade Commanders HQ may end up coming under direct attack, or a feild hospital getting over-run.


Standard placement for guns is behind the front lines. Allways has been, allways will be.

Why else would they bother giving guns huge ranges?

Pic related, Russian artillery deployment - are they on the frontline or behind it?

Henry120:
Okay.

Excellent

EVarn:
We are building our military capabilities enough to defeat islamic terrorism in all corners of the African continent.With the election of Buhari,we will soon have vastly upgraded F-16s and Apaches soaring high in our skies,along with other land assets and even warships.Not only that,we may also be able to snag a few squadrons of the french Rafale jets.
Moreover,our close ties with Russia and Pakistan would see us toasting our enemies with SU-30 and JF-17,along with mouth watering hauls of badass missiles from the US and Russia.
SA is in for more tears as your percieved military strength is violently torn apart by the indomitable NIGERIAN ARMED FORCES.

F-16's? Apache?

Bwa-ahahahahahahahahahahahahah omg my sides.

You realize that America's biggest ally in Africa (egypt) had to get on its knees and suck american co.ck for years to get either of those? You think they will sell to you?

You cant afford the Rafael or the Su-30 and the JF-17 is complete trash its comparable to the F-16 Block 40 from the 1980's.

The real question is how you are going to aquire that equipment, maintain your current equipment and fund COIN operations with allmost half the budget we have

agaugust:
Show us how much he made from movie acting wages and show us the same data for top Nigerian movie actors, that is the only way to prove your wild claims.....show us data comparisons
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I think it is fair to say that her net worth is from acting, considering her profession is acting.

Nope, your job is now to defend your nigerian actors.

agaugust:
It's marketing gimmicks and a confused journalist who has no understanding of SANDF and DENEL marketing methods.

South African air force has NO SINGLE Seeker Drone in service.

Nigeria is the first and only country in Africa to ever use a guided missile armed drone in combat.

NAF is far superior to SAAF in that aspect, you guys have NO air to surface missile in service, you NEVER ordered one.

Hawk jet cannot operate where enemy interceptor jets exist, the Hawk has NO radar , it will be shot down from distance by air superiority jet.

SAAF is a lame duck under the command of an air force chief of staff that has ZERO war experience, we can compare him to Togo Republics chief of air staff

1. I guess I need to repost images of the Mokopa's armed on an SANDF Rooivalk at an SANDF display
2. He is a military journalist, he knows what he is saying and what he is saying is clear - SAAF drones.
3. Hawk uses data-link for radar targeting
4. Hawk wont operate alone, it will have Gripen assisting it.

Nigerian airforce has no real war exerpeince - bombing rebels is about as challenging as bombing empty fields.

Reminder: The Nigerian airforce has never deployed in a contested airspace

I can taste your jealousy from here!!

Henry120:
Don't worry, it is not fictitious. This is why, I'm not bothered with debating this issue.

Yes, I agree the Nigerian Military budget is not fictitious.

I also agree that it is allmost half of the SANDF's

Nigeira.... why you so poor?

agaugust:
Blame your ANC government of incompetent blacks and coloreds who cannot operate an effective grass root level tax collection system.

Blame South Africa for being a rotten third world country...have you bought enough candles for tonight? Eskom is about to make you blind again tonight, you will grope in the dark
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South Africa has one of the most efficient tax systems in the world

More Nigerians live in permanent darkness than there are actual South Africans.

We may be 3rd world.

But you are (literally) a failed state.

agaugust:
Citations abd data needed for the above lies
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Charlize Theron alone has a net worth of $110 million
http://www.bornrich.com/charlize-theron.html

stillchris:
are you contradicting yourself now?

i hope you realize you have just confirmed @agaugust to be right.

sometimes you need to do some research before coming to spread your lies and ignorance here.

it's disgusting.

Do you understand the meaning of the phrase "on occasion"

Artillery has, since the dawn of gunpowder, been deployed primarily in the rear of the front-line.

agaugust:
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Nope, SANDF spends most of it's defense budget on paying fat salaries to lazy soldiers and inexperienced pot belly Generals who see military work as a way out of unemployment and part their BEE Blackman's benefit from ANC government.

The fact is that SIPRI confessed they have no fact about Nigerian military because of secrecy. So your fact is NOT fact, the fact is unknown to the world
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[size=16pt]Cool opinion

But facts are facts - SANDF has allmost twice the budget than the Nigerian Military despite being half its size.

Henry120 posting fictitious e-mails changes nothing.

Deal with it - your military has no money!!! [/size]

MikeCZAR:
Cuba and South Africa did it in 704 and 80s, enemy commanders will not expect it and likely send their aircraft 20km+ away to try locate the guns and MRLs.

But it is dangerous.

South Africa captured tons of enemy artillery pieces at the front lines.

Yes no doubt on occasion they will be used in forward echelons

But artillery spends the majority of its time in the rear or in the reserve sector of the front.

Indirect fire versus direct fire.

agaugust:
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SANDF is the one that is bankrupt.

SIPRI confessed that they do not know all Nigeria's weapons purchases because according to SIPRI, Nigerian military acquisition is largely secretive, so how will they add the value of secret weapons purchases?

I think you have problem with basic logical thinkng.

SIPRI even says they don't know the source of most of Nigeria's T-72 tanks, so they don't even know how many T-72 tanks we have purchased.

Nigeria has turned SIPRI into a lame duck and under-informed entity blinded in the dark room by Nigerian military secrecy .

Meanwhile, SANDF reveals all it's weapons imports and have been confirmed broke by Defenceweb
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[size=16pt]Nigerian spending (total values) is readily available as it is public record.

What you spend your money on is a different story and is harder to track. And in anycase, we are talking about budgets here.

But the fact remains:

Nigerian Military Budget: $2.3 Billion (plus a once off $1 billion stimulus)
SANDF Budget: $3,8 Billion EVERY YEAR

Hahahaha, your army is twice as big yet we have allmost twice the budget as you!!

If we spend this much on less men and still consider it not enough, it goes to show how low Nigerian Military standards are![/size]

[size=15pt]Finally SIPRI confirms Nigeria's military spending:

"Nigeria’s budgeted military expenditure fell in 2014 for the third year running, by 9.3 per cent, to $2.3 billion. Nonetheless, the total is still 79 per cent higher than in 2005, and the budgeted figure does not include a $1 billion loan approved by the Nigerian Congress in October 2014 for military hardware and training to fight the militant group Boko Haram. However, it is debatable whether extra funding for the military on its own will prove effective, given the rampant corruption in the Nigerian armed forces and alleged human rights abuses by Nigerian soldiers that have alienated much of the local population. Such factors have severely impeded the fight against Boko Haram so far,” SIRPI noted


SIPRI quotes the SANDF budget at 3,8 billion.

This is still more than Nigeria's even if you count your once off loan

SANDF is half as big as the Nigerian military yet gets allmost twice the budget!!

Lol!! Who is bankrupt now!?!!?[/size]

EVarn:
who is Tracy Ifeachor?
who is Annie Ilonzie?
who is Ashley Madekwe?
These are hollywood movie actors/actresses of purely Nigerian origin!.
Now:
who is Omotola jalade?
who is Genevieve Nnaji?
These are Nigerian actresses who perform in both hollywood and nollywood movies!.
hehehehe....mr patches,bring me something better.Dont even compare South Africa with Nigeria in terms of movie and paparazzi.

And yet two South Africans have been in bigger movies, been paid more and won more awards than all of your actors combined.

lel

EVarn:
While Nollywood is soaring in leaps and bounds{2nd after hollywood},South African amateur actors and actresses are scrubbing toilet for hollywood movie directors in hopes of featuring in a backstage movie roles.

who is Sharlize Theron?

who is Shartlo Copley?

Brah, this South African movie trailer has more effects than the whole of Nollywood together

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYCX65UwLls

agaugust:
We should have asked them to name South Africa's competition to Nigerian Nollywood that is ruling Tv screens in most South African homes.

Ask them to show you a black South African original creation that rules the African world
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Why must it be a black creation?

O yes, because South Africans created:

- District 9. Directed and filmed in South Africa. Gross Profit: $210 million dollars
- Chappie. Directed and filmed in South Africa. Gross Profit: $13 million (opening day alone)


While the top Grossing Nollywood film "30 Days in Atlanta" brought in a total of only $689 447

Truly pathetic.

stillchris:
while south africans think it's creative to murder foreigners as a way to compete with their dominance, Nigerians build industries with their brains to take back control.

do you see the difgerence patches?

And yet South Africa is more industrialized than Nigeria

agaugust:
About 90% of black South African men are ugly.

Reason why all South African women prefer Nigerian men's spërms for genetic reconstruction and cross fertilization
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Literally trolling

agaugust:
Last time I checked, it's the other way round, Dangote Räped one billion Rands off your South African economy while your nation watched bewildered
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Last time I checked Dangote's buisness was bleeding money and he was well on his way to bankruptcy

EVarn:
How many foreign companies have we nationalized?.List the foreign companies which we have so far nationalized.

British Petrolium

And you have levelled threats of nationalization at multiple other companies.

EVarn:
Zulu is an ethnic majority in SA,therefore,the zulu 'king' is your king.
Spazas support the socio economic welfare of SA citizens,small businesses are what serves the daily needs and services of south africans,creating alternatives to expensive malls which a vast majority cannot afford.

No, he is the King of the Zulu's. Its as simple as that. South Africa does not have a King.

No, Spaza's are a drain on the economy for the reasons I pointed out:
1. They drain capital out of our economy
2. They are not taxed, either through VAT or the profits of the owners (so its a double loss)

EVarn:
Disgusting people indeed,so shortsighted,they dont realise the consequences of sending all foreigners{and their businesses} away.have you seen their 'king'?,he is uglier than grilled potato.

He is not our "king"

He is a king

Foreigners and their spaza shops contribute nothing to the society and are infact a drain on the economy as they send money to their home countries and their profits are not taxed.

stillchris:
but we don't go around killing foreigners, we think smart and compete.

do you see the difference?

Lol no

You nationalize companies which out compete your incompetant local companies

agaugust:
no, we are smart people in Naija
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And yet South African companies are ra.ping your economy

stillchris:
good thing we are bound by our personal interests and opinions rather than what patches thinks. (even though myopic)

yeah.. i like the russian thread because a lot of their COIN videos and photos are posted there. and how the chinese are keeping up with their own military techs.

i doubt you even open those threads before spewing this rubbish.

the russian thread is the most viewed on MP.net

i don't need to follow the western threads. it's hardly updated and their military tech is all over the place

i really sorry for your lack of objectivity in reasoning. everything is still all about just fancy photoshoots to you south africans.

Nope, its about the best to us.

The best equipment, the best training, the best doctrine.

Apart for a handfull of SAM systems Russia has none of those things.

And china? Copy + Pasting old American tech interests no-one.

EVarn:
@THIZA....lol,who is talking about closing down MTN?,we are talking about nationalizing it!.
MTN made a tragic PR blunder when they threw empty threats at their largest customer base-Nigeria.We have GLOBACOMS and NITEL has been recently privatized,so as of today,Nigeria has two indigenous telecom giants ready to swallow up MTN.By nationalizing MTN,no job will be lost.

Yes, nothing boosts investor confidence like the thought that your government will steal their investments

Good job Nigeria!

stillchris:
that's just sad. my favourite threads are the russian and chinese. it has helped me keep up with new technologies of their militaries.

Thats like saying the Special Olympics is your favorite form of Olympics.

stillchris:
bwahahahahahahaha... i was just laughing as i watched this. dude is high as fvck

there we have it gentlemen. south africans (blacks) are the dumbest species on the continent.

why didn't botha just explain it better so we can let them keep these animals on a leash.

'foreigners are killing our economy'.... how? buy doing jobs you are too lazy and dull to do? or opening businessess that also adds to your revenue and gdp?

these animals are crazy i swear.

agaugust:
[size=20pt]This is South Africa that wants to be leader of Africa
Born animals in action
We don't blame you, we blame Nigeria and OAU that fought to free you animals from your Boer white-master's cage, the white men know why they chained you down like doggies for 300 years....Soweto animals in human skin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj4eGhsiP-Q
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[size=20pt]Hey you illiterate fvcks.... read the title of the video "IMITATING" a Xenophobia Gang leader.

Do you know the meaning of this word "imitating"?

Did they teach it to you in your filthy mud brick schools?

For god sakes, the guy doesnt even have a South African accent.

Yet again you have been overly desperate to find ammunition to fuel your jealous rage against South Africa

And yet again you have humiliated yourself!!

Bwa-hahahah!!!

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