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agaugust:
[size=16pt] Strong enough evidence for you to have edited and deleted it off Wikipedia

The original source is actually Janes Defence world respected military source, and the Wikipedia quote had an approved citation of source....citation #12....Janes Defence publication of Falkland war history.

All evidence posted below, @Pateches is beaten up blue black again [/size]



[size=16pt]Next time, don't you ever dare the truth, eat the humble pie
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Yes, except there is no citation.

If you had a tertiary education you would know that they provide a completely invalid citation.

So, show us accessible information that states that the roland shot down a falling bomb

agaugust:
[size=16pt]Strong enough evidence for you to have edited and deleted it off Wikipedia [/size]

AND IN SO DOING PROVE THAT WIKIPEDIA IS A COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE SOURCE

So, now that we have removed your ability to claim that a Roland somehow shot down a bomb, please read the following:


- targeting altitude. The AN/AAQ-28(V) LITENING targeting pod which we use is also used on B52 Stratofortresses that operate at... you guessed it... 50 000 ft.

Conclusion: Your equipment can be targetted from complete safety of your air-defence network.

- Bombs fall at 150kph. False. According to this manual, bombs fall at speeds up to (dependant on weight and speed of the plane that drops it) 550 to 650 m.p.h or, 1029.98 km/h
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1940/1940%20-%202755.html

- SANDF SAM. We have the starstreak, which is the perfect VSHORAD system and the best MANPAD in the world. This is supplimented by a brand new advanced CRAM system with AHEAD ammunition. Your antiquated platforms arent even in the same century as ours.

And, while I am on the topic, you also have no way to defend against saturation attack.

- Show us the source for these claims about a single roland shooting down bombs and defending an airbase

- You claims that you can defend against the SANDF with your current air defence platforms. Nope, ancient SPAAG without radars, obsolete Rolands and pathetic little electro optically driven guns (o wow, reflex sights, so impressive) have no way of defending against modern air-attack from stand off munitions. Just like Iraq, just like Libya and just like Syria, who all had better air-defence systems than you

I look forward to your overly emotional troll response.

agaugust:
[size=20pt] LOL....the whole forum remembers how you edited and deleted the citation data and source last year 2014 from Wikipedia-Falkland war 1982 history after many people on this forum had already seen and read it....anointed fraudster
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So.... now we get to my point.

[size=16pt]The only evidence of a Roland being able to engage a falling bomb is from Wikipedia[/size]

agaugust:
Look at what garbage you wrote above, let me quote it below :

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-You see how you just make sh*t up? Today....2015....no airctaft can identify targets at 30,000 feet? Are you ma.d? Seeker UAV can see a tennis ball at 5,000 feet, you dont think a dedicated recon pod cant see artillery positions, convoys, radar masts, oil refineries at 30 000 feet? Gripen doesn't even need to be there....6km is just fine. Capturing target GPS locations, and relaying it back to Hawks. "

See how I forced you to dance to my music

You said flying at 30,000 feet your jets will detect ground target, then I asked you what is the range of your targeting or recon pod? You quickly realized your error of 30,000 feet and now you say Seeker drone saw tennis ball at 5,000 feet....cool....that is exactly what I said, at the range or altitude your jets can identify ground targets, your jets will be inside the range of Nigerian air defence syatems and get shot down, your new 5,000 km altitude is just 1.5 km....[s]you see how a Nigerian from a war experienced air force beats up a South African day dreamer whose air force is always sleeping in bed or flying V.I.P transport for politicians? [/s]

Your SAAF will need to identify targets and get into the 8 km range of Nigerian air defences to be sh.ot down like houseflies facing insecticide.

Your recce pods or lightning targeting pods need a laser designator on the target to guide your Umbani bombs, [s]so how will South African troops walk through the deadly Nigerian infantry, blood thirsty currently combat experienced Naija troops who have 3 times the manpower numbers of SANDF, how will you walk through all our vanguard soldiers' positions to go and hand place a laser designator device inside Nigerian territory for your Gripen jets?[/s] Laser guided bomb needs laser designator placed by human hand on target, or else the jet will fly very close into the range of deadly enemy air defenses to laser illuminate the target after identification and then drop laser bomb on it.....whichever method you choose, it is death by Roland or death by Travor rifle.[/s]

[s]You say South Africa will bomb Nigerian oil refinery 5,000 km away....your Gripen jet combat radius is only 850 km, are you m.ad ? [/s]

[s]We have all agreed after argument on this forum that the technical and scientific fact of guided bombs is that they are NOT missiles, a bomb is NOT equal to ROCKET-MISSILE, guided bombs have NO fuel powered rocket, they run on batteries like your Nokia phone, they have no rocket speed, they glide through air on wind speed and gravity pull,[/s] their maximum speed free fall is about 150 km/hr like my Toyota car, they are too slow and a Shilka or Roland will eat them for breakfast as your Umbani gets wasted and your already cash broke SANDF loses more money again.

See dude, a 150 km/hr snail speed guided bomb is ZERO threat to an air force that has 2,000 km speed anti-air missiles.

You say we have only 16 Rolands? Yes how many such equipment do you have in South Africa? You have ZERO

The only SAM in SANDF has NO radar and it's maximum altitude/ceiling is 1 km....[s]Togo republic will R.ape SANDF with Alpha jets [/s]

16 Rolands and 30 Shilka is more than enough, one single Roland stopped British air force attack on Argentine air base in Falklands war, the Britain had to wait for her army to win the ground war before they could defeat the airbase defences of Argentina, that is how powerful Roland is in real war.

Nigeria also has hundreds of Type 90 computerized anti-air twin guns designed to sh.oot down cruise missiles that fly at 700 km/hr speed.

Dude, 16 Roland, 30 Shilka, 100 Type 90 is enough air defence against a weak air force like South Africa that has NO SINGLE air to surface missile.....guided bombs of snail slow 150 km/hr speed will only be a threat to rebels like Seleka if you ever find the courage to challenge them again

[s]One Roland, protects one NAF airbase. How many airbases do we need in war, 100 airports? Fool !

We have 50 mobile air defences, one for 1,000 troops and we protect 50,000 man army as big as the whole South African army.

You think anti-aircraft weapon system is like a AK-47 rifle that armies carry about in thousands of numbers?

F-7 jet, if you like say 22 km missile range, still a match for Gripen jet missile with 22 km range. I see a stalemate in air war if not a victory for NAF.

On the ground, Nigeria will completely whitewash and hogwash South Africa, Nigerian army is 3 times bigger and 100 times more experienced than South African army that is commanded by a rag tag ex-rebel army chief of staff General Shoke who has ZERO modern combat experience and was trained only for ANC freedom fighting by Zimbabwe [/s]
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OK, I cross out the trash to get to the core issues in your long rambling overly emotional and highly childish post.

Lets debunk this drivel once and for all

- targeting altitude. The AN/AAQ-28(V) LITENING targeting pod which we use is also used on B52 Stratofortresses that operate at... you guessed it... 50 000 ft.

Conclusion: Your equipment can be targetted from complete safety of your air-defence network.

- Bombs fall at 150kph. False. According to this manual, bombs fall at speeds up to (dependant on weight and speed of the plane that drops it) 550 to 650 m.p.h or, 1029.98 km/h
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1940/1940%20-%202755.html

- SANDF SAM. We have the starstreak, which is the perfect VSHORAD system and the best MANPAD in the world. This is supplimented by a brand new advanced CRAM system with AHEAD ammunition. Your antiquated platforms arent even in the same century as ours.

- Show us the source for these claims about a single roland shooting down bombs and defending an airbase

- You claims that you can defend against the SANDF with your current air defence platforms. Nope, ancient SPAAG without radars, obsolete Rolands and pathetic little electro optically driven guns (o wow, reflex sights, so impressive) have no way of defending against modern air-attack from stand off munitions. Just like Iraq, just like Libya and just like Syria, who all had better air-defence systems than you

Game over, thanks for playing.

EVarn:
No weapon have been relieved from the Nigerian army by BH for almost 1 year now.All the hardwares which they managed to acquire have been destroyed or seized in battle.
The weapons BH fighters are currently using,are the ones which they acquired through black market weapon proliferation channels.

I guess they bought T55's, Mowag's and multiple APC's and MRAP's through "black market proliferation channels"

No way they could have them from the 35 towns and garrisons that they over-ran

agaugust:
[s]Jets don't win air war because of their name or reputation, they win based on the missiles they carry. Simple fact.

SAAF Gripen jets have NO long range air to air missile, NAF F-7 will match them or use extra range advantage of PL-9C missile.

South Africa bought Gripen jets with poor short legged air to air missiles, that is your country's stupiidity and error and is none of my business, it's your problem not mine. Who c.ursed SAAF with curse not to have a long range BVR missile, am I the witch/wizard that cursed them ?

Your jets get into air to air combat with enemy interceptor jets as soon as they get airborne, you cannot even get a chance to drop your guided bombs with NAF jets firing PL-9C missiles at your Gripen jets struggling for survival, the Hawk jets won't even wait to see the F-7 Vs Gripen outcome, they will run away for survival

You say it's my opinion, but the technical data sheets prove me right for all these weapons capabilities :[/s]

At 40 km away, your Gripen radar CANNOT identify specific targets.

At close range below 10 km your Gripen jet gets sh.ot down.

You want to use recon pod at 30,000 feet ? 10 km away above clouds you cannot identify and enemy target, what is the maximum range of your recce pod for precision targeting ?

Paveway bomb maximum range is about 15 km.

Umbani or Al Tariq and Paveway guided bombs all have a snail slow speed of less than 150 km/hr.....the Roland anti-air missile flies over 2,000 km/hr .

Shilka anti-air gun is radar guided and is designed to sh.oot down jets that fly at about 1,000 km / hr....your guided bomb speed is only 150 km/hr like a tortoise crawling to the market to do shopping .

South Africa has a useless long range capacity that will be neutralized by Nigerian air force and army.

Your weapons will work better against countries like Lesotho and Swaziland, go try your luck there
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arrrgggg


this is such a waste of time.

Augustus, what single peice of evidence do you have to suggest that a Roland or Shilka has CRAM capabilities?

Gripen radar can ID ground targets at 40km away

Gripen flying at 6km is safe from Rolands and Shilka

Gripen can use Recon pod at 6km... why must it be at 30 000ft?

Main point: [size=20pt]Who and what say that Shilka and Roland can target tiny bombs?[/size]

We know we can because we specifically ordered the upgrade to give us CRAM capabilities, but you dont have that capability

agaugust:
Bombs are just too slow to become a threat to an air base defended by radar guided AAA and SAM....you just waste your bombs and fly back home with ZERO achievement.

So what then about Iraq and Libya?

Your AAA has CRAM capabilities?

lol, Iraq had the same Roland launchers and the same AAA guns and they got blown back into the stone age.

So, citation please.

agaugust:
The Nigerian air base ground radar will detect all your Hawk and Gripen jets from hundreds of kilometers away and fly to intercept even before you launch any guided bomb. With 35 km range PL-9C BVR missiles and superior flight altitude the NAF F-7 jets will shööt down ALL your Gripens and Hawks.

Name your ground radar please

Ok, 35km range missiles? Your source says they cannot operate above 6km. Gripen fly at 6km, your jets get slaughtered because they cant shoot. Game over

agaugust:
[s]On the ground, your inexperienced SANDF special forces and spotters will be killed by blood thirsty Nigerian army infantry and special forces who are smoking hot with current battlefield experience in a 6 year war, battle hardened Nigerian troops who have killed Shekau I and II, deadly Naija Ninja army who recently fought and won massive battles inside Alagrano forest, Balmo forest, Sambisa forest, Baga desert, Bama desert, Gwoza mountains, Mubi hills, Maiduguri streets, Konduga streets where we slaughtered 1,000 Boko Harams like rams....kill....wë kill....Nigerian army kills in thousands.....every SANDF soldier that walks or drives out of your army base will NEVER return home alive !

On land and in air, Nigerian military is currently smoking hot fresh and battle hardened from a 6 year war with 6,000 air combat sorties in 6 months by NAF....South African military has just been sleeping at home with their wives....your air force has NOT flown a single combat sortie in 20 years

Nigerian army is commanded by currently experienced Napoleon Generals. South African army is commanded by a rag tag ex rebel ANC freedom fighter trained in Zimbabwe and with ZERO war experience apart from Bantu AK-47 runs in the failed freedom fight against his white apartheid masters, where he achieved ZERO success

Kenyan military is more experienced than South African military both on land and in the air. Kenyans fight El-Shabab on land and jets bomb Somalia.

SANDF was commanded and controlled by Tanzanian army in Congo DRC....United Nations put SANDF was in the same combat capacity bucket with Malawi....Tanzania was the shepherd and Malawi + South Africa were his fücking sheep [/s]

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Meaningless drivel from a small jealous man desperatly grasping at straws, due to the complete and utter inferiority of his military.

agaugust:
Everything you wrote above is like a video game for kids.


Every bomb dropped by British air force against Argentina's air base was shöt down and wasted by Roland missiles.



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[size=20pt]Come now post the citation... I dare you![/size]

agaugust:
What makes you believe a Hawk jet that has no radar and is blind as a bat, will be 40 km away to see and detect locations where the enemy has deployed :

16 mobile vehicles of radar guided Roland launchers with 300 missiles

30 mobile vehicles of radar guided Shilka 4 barrel anti-aircraft cannon

Hundreds of computerized electro-optically guided Type 90 twin barrel anti-aircraft cannon built to shööt down cruise missiles .

Does your blind bat radar-less Hawk jet use witchcraft for finding far away distant targets?

You think war is a video game where the enemy air force goes to sleep in their own jet fighters and leave the airspace over their army undefended, for your own air force to fly and have fun.

By the time your Hawk jet sees where those enemy ground based air defence syatems are located, it is within range to be shot down and will fall from the sky blöwn into pieces.

I don't blame you sha my brother ignoramus, South African air force has NOT flown one single air to ground attack jet fighter sortie in the past 20 years. NAF jets have flown 3,000 air to ground attack sorties in 6 months so we will be lecturing your ZERO EXPERIENCED SAAF air force chief of staff on how to use guided missiles from air to ground plus the art if bombing defended targets.

SAAF is so inactive that they have become a plastic air force that majors on V.I.P travel and transportation for politicians.

South Africa ranks below Kenya today in current pilots combat experience, let's not compare SAAF to NAF, it will be an over-kill in favor of Nigeria......Kenya Vs South Africa is more realistic my brother
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Augustus.

We have told you over, and over and over.

Hawk will use the data-link.

Hawk can fly at an altitude of 6km where it is safe from Rolands and your Shilka.

Nigeria has never fought an air war, bombing rebels without an air-defence network is no different to us training with practice munitions.

[size=15pt]This is just another one of your jealous outbursts!![/size]

agaugust:
He is NOT a South African
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Born in South Africa

Educated in South Africa

Not much more South African than that

agaugust:
Usual excuse when you are bëaten blue black in an intelligent debate

Better turn on your TV set now and join millions of happy South Africans happily watching Nigerian made Nollywood movies on cable Tv, before Eskom strikes your city again tonight, remember candles cannot power a Tv and South Africans cannot afford the price of generators and fuel. Yöu are all doomed in total darkness every night

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Ok, so you have no response other than empty insults?

Dont you have a better way to spend your time?

agaugust:
American, Australian and New Zealander production companies and professionals were fully involved in District 9 movie productions, so it's a multi-national input project. Stop glory stealing, since South Africa is without much glory as a nation, learn to accept your destiny as it is, okay?

Nigerian movie industry does not usually sell via cinema halls , they make 99.9 % of their sales from DVDs to a 180 million Nigerian population and the 250 million population ECOWAS market, plus cable Tv subscription viewers market.

You think Nollywood uses same marketing strategy like Hollywood where people need to leave their homes and go queue on the streets to buy box office tickets to watch movies? No, you have zero knowledge of how Nollywood became the second biggest in the world, now beating American Nollywood to become third ranked under Nigeria. South Africa is NOT even in the top ten, all because your Boer white masters did not achieve that feat for you before they handed over South Africa to you guys, you are too dull and rëtarded to do achieve it by yourselves for ever
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The goalpost shifting continues.

As usual, you said something st.upid... got corrected and proceed to shift the confines of the argument

agaugust:
Nope, that's a lie ! Paypal was created by North Americans you glory thief ! I use Paypal and I know who created it you liar !
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Who is Elon Musk?

Asuokaa:
If I may ask white or black south african

How it is relevant?

agaugust:
Stop dragging this forum back into old arguments already repeated and concluded over a dozen times with same result and conclusion.

You Southies naturally lack creativity and new ideas.

Reason why 50 million South Africans CANNOT create anything close to Nairaland forum, you lack such creative brain capacity
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One South African created Paypal

So yeah exceeded you there.

Now, show us citation for Roland shooting down a bomb.

Asuokaa:
All I see in this is pain and anger we r d giant of africa...see bro ur r d one bring competition out of tinz...u said we used mercenaries what if I show u pics of caucasian looking officers in the nigerian military pictures...am sure ull be dumbfounded

how about you start speaking english?

then i will deal with you

Asuokaa:
Just bcause msazua came here and started spilling rubbish abt his country u bliv him...just imagine a SA guy comes and start spilling abt SA how do u think we will see SA...

Tell me

the fvck is this nonsense post?

Asuokaa:
Like the way the opinions of ur blacks r not relevant right...opening ur blacks to ridicule

Yeah, uh, last time I checked our blacks were running the country

So yeah, their opinions are pretty relevant

EVarn:
Yet you guys lynch foreigners in public for no reasonable offence,such primitively barbaric mentallity coupled with decaying infrastructures and social economic disma pisma has shown the world that SA is a backward banana plantation where a horde of uncivilized monkeys have been unleashed to cause mayhem.
Nigeria on the other hand,is the undisputed giant of Africa.

A tiny minority are responsible for xenophobic attacks

Our infastructure is decades ahead of yours, and we are outspending you on the development of new infastructure

Nigeria is second to south africa in infrastructure, all developmental measurements, trade, revenues and wealth.

All Nigeria has is a fvck huge population, and you are renowned for dictators, civil war and crime.

Nigeria is africas giant embarrassment

Asuokaa:
Ok...so we don't have british Nigerians or american nigerians right...well done...watching ur stup1dity in 3d

Yeah you dont

You have nigerians who have fled your nation to settle abroad

ethnicity =/= nationality

Asuokaa:
Do u think we wait for white lords b4 we take decisions or do u think whites thinks for our blacks...otondo is ur middle name

Do you think you can buy things without any money?

The whites are the ones selling it to you... their decision is more important than yours

Asuokaa:
Glory Hunters...want to reap were dey didn't harvest why didn't nigerians come out claim some movies created here by the british..

British arent Nigerian nationals

White South Africans are South Africans

agaugust:
No need for radar to see the Hawk jet 120 km away, the radar sees the incoming guided bomb and Roland missiles will shoo.t down every snail slow speed guided bomb.

Guided bombs are only effective against an enemy that has no air defense systems.

Roland wasted British air force bombs in Falkland war.

Last time I checked up Angolan war records, SAAF ran away from contested air space when Cuba showed up with MiG-23 jets
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What proof do you have of Rolands shooting down bombs?

You only have 16 Rolands to defend an army of 150 000 men.

last we checked SAAF was flying sorties until the end of the war and shooting down enemy Mig's... this is known as operating in a contested airspace.

Furthemore, Cubans lost over 60 aircraft we lost around 20... who won that air war hey?

Nigeria has never deployed in a contested airspace and is unable to do so today.

agaugust:
Number two ranking in the whole world is a big achievement for Nigeria.

What is South Africa's global ranking in movie industry? Tell us
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We prefer quality over quantity

overhypedsteve:
you teach them how to run around half naked wielding a zulu spear. Pls face it. People only like to watch you guys when you re making fun of your culture and history, a film about a south african primitive native tribe will always sell, a film about south africans being flayed by the white aparthied regime will sell in any language. This is what the whole world wants you to produce, this are the kind of pictures we want to see coming from south africa. A continued reminder of the backward and primitive culture of the black southafrican people.
Between nollywood hold 70% of the african movie share. Nobody wants to see a southafrican dressed smart on a movie set impersonating jamesbond, we wants to see dem old ancient ear piercing savages moving about with their br.east and geni.talia flying freely, The Legacy Of A Primitive and Backward society

Some one is getting emotional

EVarn:
And yet we can afford to install railway systems and luxurious monorails worth over $10 Billion.
man,quit clowning around and accept the fact that we are superior.

With a budget of $2 billion and foreign mercenaries and soldiers having to be called in to win your war for you.

With inferior development statistics across the board

With 3 times less government revenue

I would say its pretty safe to say that you are utterly and completely inferior.... in every way

agaugust:
Are you a school drop out with peanut brains?

District 9 is NOT a wholly South Africa movie like Nigerian Irapada.

District 9 movie producers are American, Australian, and New Zealander.

Are those South Africans? Fool

You said it must be filmed in South Africa with South African creativity

Now you move the goal posts?

Not suprising

agaugust:
Actually Nigeria has one of the best tax systems in Africa, computerization of fiscal revenue and modernization of collection methodology was installed by a North American company and it's world class.

Fact is that at the grass root level, local people pay tax in Nigeria, the informal sector on the streets and remote areas pay levies to the Local government street to street tax collectors who go around their local areas on foot or motor bikes.

Nigeria has changed dramatically in the last decade.

Citation needed.

agaugust:
South African movie industry on world ranking, is dwarfed by Nigerian nollywood.....live with this fact even if it hurts.

Show us a South African movie made in South Africa wholly by South African actors and creativity, that has made world wide impact across continents on a scale above Nigerian made movies
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District 9 - Grossing $115,646,235

agaugust:
As for the weapons you listed above, I have answered you many times, you just like dragging this forum back to old topics everytime you get bëaten up in a new argument .

Tucano order replaced by Frogfoot. Oplot stuck in Ukraine due to public complaints. Su-30 still under evaluation with top level secrecy, every other weapon has web link sources posted, websites of military information which I did not create.

So it's easy for you to seek refuge in old stories everytime you get beatën blue black on a new argument.....coward....anointed fraudster
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hahahha

now i can add the Frogfoot to your list of lies.

Su30 is top secret? yet you know about it?

agaugust:
Your own source just proved me right !

Frontline includes both troops and equipment together.

You further agreed with me by saying frontline is where you directly face the enemy , exactly what I said, it's where you fire and fired at.

Thanks for proving me right, many thanks bro
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What?

agaugust:
They are on the frontline. A distance where you are able to fire and hit your enemy, and he can fire back and hït you, becomes a frontline in war.

Mörön
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So now you are back-tracking to re-define what the frontline is?

Straight from a google search:

A front line is the closest position(s) of an armed force's personnel and equipment - generally in respect of maritime or land forces. Forward Line of Own Troops (FLOT), or Forward Edge of Battle Area (FEBA) are technical terms used by all branches of the U.S. armed services.

What you are talking about would colloquially be known as "the front", where-as "the front line" is specifically where your forces are directly facing enemy forces.

Mr Researcher - why dont you know what a frontline is?