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agaugust:
Beryl rifle

With only 1000 ordered and paid for, in an army of 150 000 it is then not standard

Standard max range: 350 meters

agaugust:
Nigeria uses OBJ-006 version of year 2000s generation not the old AK-47 of 1950. Data specs of OBJ-007 is classified.

SANDF R4 rifle is a copy of Galil which is a copy of 1950s AK-47.

The average SANDF infantry man has NEVER used his R4 rifle in any combat since he was recruited, he only knows THIZA's internet based online-virtual army photo club.

Those Nigerian army rifles have drank the red blood of over 50,000 enemy fighters all over Africa in the last 25 years, the average Nigerian soldier is a killer machine
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the average Nigerian soldier uses a weapon that went into service in 1948

That is all.

SergeAlain:
Mike the truth is when a real fight is on the focus is on fighting, not dressing up.

If you doubt it go look up pix of US troops in the middle of the battle for Hue, or Russian troops in the middle of the battles in Afganistan or in fact pix of South African troops on deep penetration missions against SWAPO.

Its about getting the job done not dressing up. When the job is done then you can dress up and go on parades.

Just my point of view!!!!

Or modern professional soldiers on foot patrol in the middle of afghanistan...

o... wait

Henry120:
Pig,

You cannot afford any of those, your project biro is 18 years today. Your SAAF cannot afford common aviation fuel for it's fleet, your pilots average only 3 flying hours per week.

Until you can provide the basics, all you mentioned are only a fan pig's wet dreams.


Snort along little pig!

We can afford jet fuel - 22 000 hours worth

Our pilots, with 18 000 hours, fly 49 hours per day 365 days a year. This means that 2 SAAF aircraft are in the air 24 hours of every single day of every single year.

Project Biro only officially became operational in 2011 - any time prior was composed of studies and theoretical analysis
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/rsa/project-biro.htm

We have basics you could only dream of, a standardized and modern info-centric army, with training facilities that do not exist outside of only the finest armies in Africa.

Your army is an army of apes, only barely qualifying as rebel-worthy (since the rebels continuously defeat you). You have to import foreign soldiers to defeat your own people - that is right, the average Nigerian in the ranks of boko haram, with no training, is a better fighter than a Nigerian soldier - your army makes people WORSE

agaugust:
6,000 Beryl rifles in total from two batches....according to your very own source !

"WARSAW – The Nigerian Defense Ministry has ordered 1,000 assault rifles from Polish firearms maker Fabryka Broni Lucznik. The 5.56mm Beryl rifles will be supplied to Nigeria’s Army in January, and senior company representatives say they expect the country’s Defense Ministry to order a further 5,000 weapons next year, reports local news agency PAP."

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/international/europe/2014/12/16/nigerian-defense-ministry-orders-assault-rifles-from-poland/20490297/
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You have ordered 1000

You may or may not order another 5000

This is well short of the number of 15 000 - liar

In the end of the day, the average Nigerian soldier has a copy of a copy of a gun from 1950 with an effective range of 350m

Meaning we outrange you

agaugust:
No, it is SANDF that is dreaming with an empty pocket about buying what Nigerian military has today.

Your South Africa has never deployed guided missile drones in combat before....SANDF struggles to catch up with NA and NAF !

https://www.techlahore.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ch3nov2mo8.jpg

https://a405.idata.over-blog.com/4/22/09/08/China/China-Army/China-drone/CH-4/CH-4-UAV.jpg


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Nigeria has not deployed them either

In the meanwhile, South Africa has built them

agaugust:
Half-illiterate Soweto school drop-out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_FIFA_U-17_World_Cup

http://www.fifa.com/tournaments/archive/u20worldcup/nigeria1999/

U17 World Cup =/= The FIFA world cup

Liar and manipulator of facts

You know no shame.

agaugust:
Nigeria is buying 15,000 Beryl rifles, enough to equip almost the whole SANDF infantry.

Envy us and collapse, we out-range you in firefight.

No - stop telling lies.

You are buying 1000
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/international/europe/2014/12/16/nigerian-defense-ministry-orders-assault-rifles-from-poland/20490297/

The average Nigerian soldier has a clone of an AK-47 with an effective range of 350m

It is we who outrange you

agaugust:
R4 rifle effective range is only 450 m, Beryl is 600 m.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6250:fact-file-r4-assault-rifle&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159

http://en.fabrykabroni.pl/?d=111

Stop posting false data here dude !

Nigerian infantry will k.ill SANDF troops and save them the trouble of dying slowly from HIV.

We wipe your riflemen out from safe distance you wont even see us

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Average Nigerian infantryman doesnt have the it

The average Nigerian infantryman has a copy of a copy of a gun from the 1950's

Remeber when augugubugug was talking about ground search radar:

Under the programme, SANDF has acquired a total of 14 Thales Squire ground surveillance radars, 65 Sophie thermal imagers, processors and communications equipment, as reported by Defence Web.

Featuring the frequency modulated continuous wave (FMCW) Doppler radar, the Squire is a portable medium-range ground surveillance radar that is designed to detect and identify people in camouflage at ranges of more than 10km and moving tank-sized vehicles distances from as far away as 48km.

The radar is integrated with automatic target classification facilities for persons, wheeled vehicles, tracked vehicles and helicopters, and cannot be detected by hostile electronic support measures (ESM) equipment and radar warning receivers.
http://www.army-technology.com/news/newssouth-african-army-receives-new-tactical-intelligence-system

Yet again, SANDF is acquiring equipment Nigeria could only dream of

jln115:
Dont think its a DMR(could be) the handguard and stock look different to the DMR, but it is R4 based.
secondly the R5 is in service with our special forces, the R5 is a R4 with a shorter barrel or basically a R4 carbine.
and we destroyed Seleka btw 1000+dead vs 15dead and they surrenderd.
http://www.army.mil.za/equipment/weaponsystems/infantry/R4_R5%20Assault_Rifles.htm
Pic: Special Forces operative with an R5

Thats not special forces

Thats the Tactical Intelligence Regiment

Regular army

Henry120:
This is called a DMR. Like the other photo you tried to pass of, this is an R4 DMR.

You said the SANDF couldent afford optics?

agaugust:
South African R4 rfle effective range 450 m

Nigerian Beryl rifle effective range 600 m

We pick off and knock off your HIV ridden army like toy soldiers from over half a kilometer away, and you won't even see us
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This is beyond childish

This guy is bragging about 1000 rifles when the majority of his army uses a copy of a copy of an AK47

Please

Henry120:
You conveniently stuck that so as to deny culpablity when called out. Not quite smart enough.

No, the R5 isn't in service with no special forces. Your special forces roundly routed in the CAR all had the obsolete R4 rifles.

One grainy image proves nothing. The grainy image shows a soldier holding an R4 DMR.

How is the R4 obsolete? What makes it so?

R5 is in service with the regular SANDF

agaugust:
Nope , not U-13.

Nigeria has hosted TWO FIFA world cups. South Africa hosted only one. Deal with it

Nigeria has never hosted THE FIFA World cup

The only thing you host is poverty, boko haram and foreign soldiers

agaugust:
Nigeria has hosted two FIFA world cups. Google is free of charge
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False
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup_hosts

Since google is free, you should use it once in a while

agaugust:
Wrong data. Citation needed.

Nigerian soldiers with Beryl rifles will k.ill South African soldiers with R4 rifles from extra range advantage of 150 meters, you won't even get close to our lines
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Provide data or stop posting

Henry120:
Hey, Afrikanner Pig, you have no R5 in service.

U wot m8?

In future, Igbo monkey, you should do some research.

Henry120:
R4 a copy of a copy = obsolete

R5 = you don't have it in service, neither can the SANDF afford EO TECH scope.

3. CR-21 = failed concept, you also don't have it.

4. Truvelo Raptor = now, you're day dreaming.

Considering Nigeria currently has a copy of a Chinese AK-47 as its main service weapon, you shouldent be talking

R5 is in service and has been for a long time, SANDF can afford (and has purchased) things you can only dream of

CR-21, maybe, but unlike Nigeria we have the capacity to develop new guns.

agaugust:
Rifles alone don't win wars.

Nigerian army paid Poland for 15,000 units of Beryl Carbine rifles far superior to South African army's R4 rifles . You are lost in time about Nigerian army's current capacity and modernization, your old days of Niger Delta militancy level of weaponry has passed. My brother your database has become outdated. Sorry o !
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[size=15pt]First - stop telling lies on this forum. [/size]

You orderd 1,000 rifles.
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/11847/Nigeria_Orders_1000_Beryl_Rifles_From_Poland#.VQdzjo6UeSo

Second, how is it better?

Henry120:
Kits
Kit standardisation
The refusal of some troops to wear their kits.
Size of AOR : 15,000km
Weather : 30 - 45 degress
#Bama battle
Kits
Nigeria is a large country with different types of terrain, topography and general climatic conditions.
while the south is swampy, with hundreds of delta's and mangroves, the middle belt is savannah with a cool/mild temprature, while the far north is dry, hot, mountainous( north-east), in some areas desert and generally un-forgiven.

What this means is, unlike South-Africa it is impossible for Nigeria to have a single camo.
So, if troops are moved from Division 2 in the east to the 7 Division in the north-east, they don't magically appear with desert camo. They would have to be issued new Camos, and logistics takes time.

The Nigeria army uses
1)Woodland camo (old)
2)Woodland camo (new)
3)Desert camo (new)
4)Desert camo (old)
5)New Desert camo recenty introduced to help with standardisation in the North-East.

Kit standardisation in AOR
Why can't there be a kit standardisation in the North-East?
Simple "Nigeria" won't allow it. Like I pointed out, Nigeria is a vast country, and troops get rotated a lot in Nigeria. As the move along, they move along with their basic kits, which mostly is woodland camo.
There is also the problem of availability. In many cases local production of kits can't meet local demand. What this means is, kits would invariably have to be outsource, hence the discrepancies in camo.
To deal with this problem the Army signed an MoU with a local firm for the manufacture and supply of an entirely new type of camo. Hence the new camo troops now wear.

The refusal of troops to wear their kits in bama.
The AOR is 15,000km in size, this is the size of Scotland and wales.
Borno state is the biggest state in Nigeria, it is the size of Togo and Benin republic joined together.
The Kits used by the Army is made by DICON or local manufacturers.
The climatic conditions in the AOR are amongst the worst in the world. The North-East is hot, dry, dusty and and harsh. With temperatures toping 45 degrees.
Soldiers in bama had earlier in their forward momentum cleared mafa, Marte etc local governments. It has been a long daily and mostly sleepless operations. With troops suffering from tiredness and fatigue.
In this state, I don't see how troops who are expected to again mobilise, and engage the enemy in bama to come to battle feeling very weak and battle weary.
The mobilisation to bama included a 4KM walk for troops with over 1200 areas mined. This mean a 4KM journey is now 30-40km in actual sense.

They ought to be in the right state of mind to engage the enemy, when the get to known enemy location. If this means travelling light, it is not only advised, but might also be their only saving grace from collapse.

Soldiers travelled light in Bama because most of them chose to, there is absolutely nothing to fault in this decision.

1. South Africa has multiple environmental types - from jungle to desert, alpine woodland (which you dont have), Savannah, bush and temperate forestes (massive tree plantations in Limpopo). We chose a cammo that can operate in all

2. I still do not see:
- standardized webbing
- standardized BVP's
I dont care if the uniforms dont match the BVP's or vice versa, US Marines invaded Iraq in woodland cammo because there wasnt enough desert fatigues to go around.

What I DISLIKE is that men within ONE UNIT have different cammo, webbing, rucks etc

3. The job of a soldier is, since the times of the romans, TO CARRY HEAVY SH!T from A to B. Those soldiers "travelling light" have decided not to carry vital equipment that is invaluable in a fire fight and instead put it in cars? So what do they do if they hit contact?

4. Dont tell us about your environment, French soldiers in the Sahara desert and NATO in Afghanistan still hump all their gear IN COMBAT. And you tell us that your men are too weak to wear their webbing for a short 4km walk?

You cannot defend professional soldiers who are so weak that they need to drop their gear to perform a simple rout march

Henry120:
The hypocrisy in the comment you made in that photo-sharing thread is un-believable.

I'm going to transfer that comment and deal with it here.

I am waiting

stillchris:
Like I said, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Such training is for when you are on patrol, recon, or moving about in areas of possible enemy activity.

Not when you are mobilizing to go and engage your enemy at a given target more than 4km away. In cases like this you are to travel light to save energy.

They know which route is high risk or not. It's not for you to tell them from your computer.

You think these guys are newbies in warfare? Guy park well abeg.

And how are they going to access their equipment in combat?

It seems you are trying to make excuses for a lack of standardized battle-dress and the lax dress regulations

stillchris:
dude, seriously, you need to stop thinking you know stuff when you know nothing.

those guys on vehicles are obviously kitted because they won't be walking. you don't understand the weather in the north. it's dry+hot+dusty.

this is not training. those men will be engaged once they get to their destination. there is no sense having them worn out before they do.

it's not a photo session. it's a time to use your brain. travel light so you can have all the energy to fight.

There is just so much wrong with this

Its allmost worth de-railing this thread in order to correct you

charlos14:
Thank God you said Training. This men will walk 4 km, dig in and carry on an offensive that might last for days.
Fatigue prior to battle is a demoralizing factor.
The men need all the strength they can muster.

First, digging in should be the first thing any unit does when stopping in an area for longer than 15-30min - so its nothing special

Second, a 4km RUN in full kit is part of the Battlefield Efficiency test for infantry in the SANDF, furthermore, to pass out from Infantry School in Outdthoorn every infantryman in the SANDF is supposed to prove that he can complete 20km march with 30kg of gear in under 4 hours - so again it is nothing special

There are no excuses

agaugust:
SANDF = Virtual-Online Internet Web Based Military
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Your lack of a viable response shows that you know what I have said to be true

agaugust:
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Hollywood expert SANDF : war history chart....Worst military achievement list for the Internet-Web Based-Online Military of South Africa....

1. The number 1 mission was political election job....INEC and police duty

2. The number 2 mission was a funeral ceremony....MIC casket undertakers duty

3. The number 3 mission was after battle as ended, nothing to do.....Latecomers/Cowards duty

South Africa's military ranking is looking close to that of Botswana, honestly ! Global Firepower needs to see the above list !
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we are talking logistics here jackass

The point is simple, we can move men in ways you could only dream of

MikeCZAR:
The KC-390 is rubbis..h buying it would be a political goal.

If SAAF had a bigger budget I'd support getting the C-17 but it has jet engines.

Maybe the Ambrear as our tanker?

It could make a great tanker/EW/CnC platform

they are allready pushing hard for us to get it (see pic)

iterator24:
lovely quote, Nigeria refused control from UN and intervened under AFRISMA - ECOWAS.. Meanwhile Saffers got laid doggy style by Tanzanians

No

What has happened is yet again Nigerians got overly emotional about minor issues

agaugust:
Yes I did, HMS Duncan, HMS Daring, etc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Daring_%28D32%29

Looks like you did not finish high school, and you can only qualify to be a basic casual battery charger in Nigeria.

NATO ships have SSTD and it means Surface Ship Torpedo Defence, it is on HMS Duncan and many, very many other warships all over the world not just NATO, even in Asia under different manufacturer/brand types.

SSTD detects and destroys submarine torpedoes very easily...NOT only detection, it destroys submarine torpedoes....


"WASHINGTON (NNS) -- USS George H. W. Bush (CVN 77) conducted the first aircraft carrier-borne end-to-end at-sea test of the Surface Ship Torpedo Defense (SSTD) System, the Navy announced, June 6.

The Countermeasure Anti-Torpedo is being developed by the Pennsylvania State University Applied Research Laboratory (PSU-ARL). It is designed to locate, home in on and destroy hostile torpedoes. Over the four-day testing period, Bush engaged seven torpedo-like targets with seven Countermeasure Anti-Torpedoes. Designed to validate the end-to-end of the system, the testing proved successful.

This first end-to-end test of the SSTD System achieved several firsts: the first Torpedo Warning System detection of targets from a carrier, the first automatic detection and automatic targeting of an incoming torpedo target from a ship, the first launch of Countermeasure Anti-Torpedo from a carrier and the first end to end Torpedo Warning System and Countermeasure Anti-Torpedo system detection-to-engage at-sea test.

"It is gratifying to have these tests go so well," said Rear Adm. David Johnson, program executive officer, Submarines, whose portfolio includes the Undersea Defensive Warfare Systems Program Office. "The engineering involved to detect a hostile torpedo, process its direction, speed, depth, and then engage it with a carrier-launched Countermeasure Anti-Torpedo is impressive. I am confident that the fleet will be pleased with the results.

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=74665

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The SSTD detects torpedoes - that is all

While the SSTD is only really effective against ancient Soviet ERA torpedoes

Development of the SSTD helps cover a serious threat to major U.S. ships from Soviet-designed torpedoes initially developed in the 1960s, naval analyst Norman Friedman told USNI News.


And now the killer blow: The system that destroys the torpedoe is not in service:

NAVSEA has more testing for the SSTD system scheduled for this year and plans to have the CAT and TWS reach so-called initial operational capability by 2019 and Fleet wide adoption of the system by 2035.
http://news.usni.org/2013/06/20/navy-develops-torpedo-killing-torpedo

So, the facts remain unchanged: A South African Heroin Class submarine defeated an entire NATO task force

And again, I ask you show us a NATO warship armed with anti-torpedo countermeasures

agaugust:
[size=16pt]Illiterate, that white guy with his back turned is wearing a tool belt on his waist, and more like an electrician's tool belt, screwdrivers, spanners, 100 watts soldering iron, testers, snips-wire cutters, pliers, electrical volt meter, he is a repair/maintenance technician for sure, NOT a pilot !

Those white guys are our casual labourers.

We own you !

Mumu
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There are two white people

How do you explain the second man with combat fatigues and body-armor?

One is a technician

The other is a crew member

The third person in the picture is a poorly paid rebel guarding the important assets (a technician, a helicopter and its pilot)

Considering those to men are being paid $150 000 - $250 000 per year - i think it is safe to say that we own you

agaugust:
Preparation for Hollywood video you mean? Yes ! Or which war is that, which war zone are those SANDF units fighting today?

SANDF = Professional Video Club = Virtual-On-line Army.....Internet webpage is your PERMANENT war zone
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Nope - exibiting skills and capabilities you could only dream of

We deployed C130's, DAK's, CASA's and Oryx to the DRC to help with elections - again with short notice

We mobilized and deployed under 12 000 SANDF personel to Qunu in under a week for Madiba's funeral

We deployed a battalion of men, Gripen, Rooivalk, Oryx and C130's to DRC in under a week after the CAR

SANDF are generations ahead of Nigeria in terms of logistical organization and pulling off effective operations

We have capabilities you can only dream of