I am sipping my palm wine here with double straws, no shaking!
You know, I told you Southies last year that it is IMPOSSIBLE for Russia to sell satellite to SANDF without SIPRI recording and reporting it, you all said no, it's a secret sale, secret satellite, spy satellite, nobody must know it, Russia will keep it secret because Jacob Zuma has bewitched Vladimir Putin to obey commands from South Africa
Now it's on SIPRI publication exposed to the whole world, so am I right or wrong?
Your satellite is a mere surveillance satellite NOT a spy satellite, you cannot afford a Western origin equipment nowadays, so you can continue to insult Nigeria's Russian/Chinese.Pakistani made equipment....South Africa has been forced by cash problems to join out club, welcome !
Your Southie mofos have said many times on this forum that all Russian export equipment are inferior to the original Russian owned versions, thus @Patches said Nigeria got inferior monkey model T-72 tanks and latest model sMi-35M Hind E, Mi-171 Terminator combat helicopters.
So South Africa too has now got an inferior monkey model satellite, yes or no? Answer me now
Okay, you say Nigeria has two earth observation satellites, yes but under the command and control of 100 Nigerian military officers who use them, PLUS 3RD NEW SATELLITE we just got last year, Nigeria too has a SURVEILLANCE SATELLITE WITH RADAR FOR CLOUD PENETRATION AND NIGHT VISION under the command and control of Nigerian air force and navy.
You South Africans will come to Nigeria soon and learn how satellites are used, we have superiority of experience over you as usual....plus that fact that 1 satellite alone cannot cover the whole earth in quick time, you need 3 satellites to do that global coverage and Nigeria has 3, South Afrikandodo has ONLY 1....when you need help, Zuma will telephone Abuja and beg us, Nigeria is the oracle eye of Africa, you still need to consult us
1. Kondor-E is a surveillance satellite. What they do is spy. It was purchased as the West will not sell high end recon platforms to non-NATO nations or unaligned nations like us.
2. We cant afford western equipment anymore? Ok, here goes: - Only western companies are bidding on tenders for porject Biro - Starstreak is Western - CRAM upgrades by a Western Company - Milan 2 is from the West - Deal for Badger production is from a Western company - Thales is a major SANDF supplies and a Western company
3. Export models of any-state owned platform is allways inferior.
4. There is a difference between high end Eastern Block equipment and cheap left over trash from the Cold War. We have bought the lattest in Russian tech, you are buying scraps from a war that never happened.
5. No, you have 2 observation sattelights and 1 communications sattelight. Your satellite is for environmental and electoral monitering. It does not have any form of radar. Not a single one of your satelights are military grade.
You see, unlike you clowns we purchase quality over quantity. While you are watching grainy pictures of bush fires we are watching in HD as Boko destroyers your country.
Again, its no contest. You must be drunk to suggest otherwise
agaugust: It's all fake until you prove that SAN has real missiles in ALL those 32 silos. How many Umkhonto missiles did your navy buy? Mokopa missile is still zero purchase. Umkhonto range is still 15 km maximum.
You foolish Southies keep saying anything inside DENEL tssting laboratory belongs to SANDF without paying one penny for it, is that how defense industry is run in a modern world of capitalist economies? Fools, no wonder DENEL collapsed a few years ago and went totally broke because some Soweto fools now run the place like a charity free gift shop....ANC nation of fools, no wonder Dangote scooped one billion Rands out of your pockets and your top level business executives did not know until after their bank accounts had been brutally Ràped .
Listen here you fvcking baboon.
We dont have to prove anything, SAN expanding VLS tubes to the full complement means that either they have fulled them with missiles or they will be fulled with missiles.
DENEL belongs to the state - just like the SANDF belongs to the state. Thats how an effective state military industrial complex runs. During the war in Angola DENEL sent its G6 prototypes along with crews Denel was using to train them to fight in the battle of Quito.
Thats why we are in no rush to buy the Makopa, its intergrated and industrialized, if a situation comes up that we need to equipe the Rooivalks with anti-tank capabilities its simply a matter of sending an e-mail to Denel and they will be delivered
Nigeria has 3 satellites including a cloud penetrating radar satellite. We have used satellites for several years in combat.
South Africa just got ONLY ONE satellite and it's an inferior monkey model from Russia, you could not afford the cost of NATO European made satellite. Your next major weapons purchase will likely be made in China. European equipment costs have started tearing your lean pockets.
Anyway, we welcome your Russian made monkey model lonely all alone satellite. Nigeria has 3, SA has only 1. We have advantage over you .
agaugust: They look more like ordinary fishermen, so ordinary Niger Delta militants will kidnap them for ransom and Jacob Zuma will pay 100 million Rands before Ijaw boys release them....but your female divers will come back to you pregnant...guaranteed ! .
- unable to provide a valid counter-argument - resorts to school yard jokes
agaugust: You think human being are forever young? Who can live for ever and not die?
Those old SADF men are now aged about 60 years, even their best man Col. Eben is about 65 years old.
Is that the age of running around inside hot desert or think forest fighting war?
Most of the SADF elites are dead or too weak to run today.
Then PMC is NOT = South African national army.
PMCs recruit people from all over the world, so don't fool yourself thinking South Afri8can PMC has only ex-South African soldiers.
I am recruited into a PMC in America, but I am a Nigerian, so I can tell you that we have Mexicans and Colombian ex-troops insie American PMCs, Latino nation troops who have fought COIN combats in Mexcio and Colombia.
A lot of the SADF elite troops in Angolan war were Angolan citizens NOT South Africans, it also included other African fighters like Namibians and Mozambiqueans, etc. You are very wrong to think South African citizens make up the large numbers of SADF elite troops, NO ! Most of them were blacks from other countries especially Angola.
Your dead or retired old men on wheelchair are not fighting any mercenary combat in Nigeria, we are fighting our war with young blood !
PHOTO 1 : SADF OLD MEN SOLDIERS ALREADY OLD IN THE 1980s ANGOLA WAR
PHOTO 2 : NIGERIAN SOLDIER IN 2015 BOKO HARAM WAR....WE FIGHT WITH YOUNG BLOOD .
Augustus
1. You are not a PMC 2. Media has confirmed South Africans are fighting in the front lines 3. Not all South African PMC's are from the border war - some leave the SANDF and SAPS for it. 4. A young man who was 17 or 18 in 1989 is how old now? 5. 32 Battalion (800 men) was the only unit that extensively used foreigners for the duration of the war. The rest of the SADF was 100% South African, Namibians served in the SWATF (a completely different army)
ChukwuCantDie: Ewu remove yourself from this thread with your bullsh1t, we don have time for b1tch ass niggas like you..you must go back to your village to prepare ogbono soup, then you must pray to chukwu and beg forgiveness and stop with this mugu behavior .......onye nzuzu.. your parents have failed in raising you. You should die and try again in the afterlife.
@patrick one day i hope i will see you face to face so i can finally kill you... you will learn one day
The only thing you could kill is a bowl of cassava
agaugust: [size=13pt]All is just another Super Story TV drama by Wale Adenuga Productions.....until SANDF buys those weapons and inducts them into service in your military arsenal, you have NOTHING.
Mokopa missile is an example, produced but rejected by SANDF, refused to buy, not purchased, not in service....you have NOTHING but photos and a long script for super story part II....showing next week on Channel 51 UHF . [/size]
1. Portugese troops during a retaliatory raid into Zaire (things got messy during the Angolan war of independance) 2. Portugese trooper 3. Ibid 4. "The Pig" an early Rhodesian MRAP and arguably the first MRAP ever seen
1. SWAPO elite "volcano" unit - tasked with infiltration of Northern Namibia (none ever made it through the operational area) 2. SADF troops during the state of emergency in the early 1990's (apologies for the graphic image) 3. SADF troops 4. Rhodesian Selous Scouts during the hight of the of civil war (They are regarded as the finest operators the world has ever seen)
A walk down memory lane, combatants and operators from the "bush wars" of Southern Africa
1. Rhodesian Army Soldiers (allmost 40% of the combatants in the Smith Government army were black) 2. Ibid 3. A personal favorite of mine - after the Portuguese pulled out of Angola, certain renegade units of the Portuguese Army stayed behind and continued fighting, some with UNITA, some with MPLA and some completely unaligned fighting for personal gain or protection of small isolated communities 4. MPLA forces, location and time unknown
agaugust: Foreign media DO NOT own Nigerian army, the Nigerian army chief is the overall boss, he says NO mercenary ONLY mechanic white-heads from places including South Africa.
Let your foreign new media show us mercenaries in Nigeria fighting in battle zone.
Envy is a disease
Foreign media have shown that he is telling lies.
Photographs have been posted of white men commanding vehicals at the front
Show us how the salaries of imported expatriate mechanics from Cuba is cheaper to pay than local South African mechanics, show us proof.
You guys were the ones saying Nigerian army lacks skilled mechanics for us to hire South African technicians for maintenance jobs, now we see that South African army too is hiring mechanics from tiny Cuba to come work for your army on your own vehicle. LOL .
- all those marching styles: i picked out chinese, french marine (dat unmistakable swag) and that ridiculous march arabs do. It provides some interesting clues as to who trained certain units or who certain units are based on - that fvcking obligatory Chinese WZ 523 IFV and PTL-02 Tank Destroyer combination that everyone in west africa seems to operate - interestingly they seem to have 2S1 SPG's - cant figure out what turret upgrade the BMP2's have had (ideas)? - technical, technicals everywhere - all those MRAP's
SergeAlain: Guy this is becoming really boring!!! i told you instances to research. I.e. instances where soldiers were stretched to breaking point. Not where pampered soldiers play-fight from 8am to noon, break for siesta, resume by 2pm and close for the day by 5pm, constantly supported by all the drones and fighter jets money can buy.
You and i know the US army has not been actually tested in combat since vietnam, and the Russian Army has not been tested since Afganistan!!! Anything else you show me does not address the point. If the US squares off against even China, they will forget all those bells and whistles!!!
All those computer games in Iraq, and Afganistan by the US are just that --- Computer games!!!
How about the war in Angola and Rhodesia/Zimbabwe?
They still kept their equipment on them.
Again, expecting a soldier to march 4km with his equipment on is nothing special
agaugust: Show me how South Africa has the same military level of America+Britain+France+Canada+Italy+Saudi Arabia+Egypt combined superiority over Nigeria, you mean South Africa's military is equal to the combination of all those world powers ?
stillchris: lemme get this straight.. when you say light maintenance, i hope it's about just changing oil and adding fuel.
because the picture of the cuban mechanic i see working on your truck doesn't look like heavy maintenance and your fat minister also exposed the lack of skilled engineers in SANDF.
"Dlamini said that private South African companies to whom work was outsourced were reluctant to pass on their skills to the SANDF and maintained military vehicles poorly. The Cubans, on the other hand, are experts at keeping equipment running despite sanctions and Cuba continues to enjoy good military relations with South Africa."
fact of the matter is that your army is short of skilled personel and broke.
that's why the cubans had to fly their army engineers(not private contractors) to maintain your vehicles for you and save you from paying private contractors to milk the remaining change your army has left.
in peace time for that matter... damn shame
Again, the SANDF is simply employing more efficient fiscal policy with regards to vehical maintenance.
Dont base your argument on pictures, base it on facts. They are here to do complete overhauls and re-activate vehicals that have been in storage for decades. The SANDF only does light maintenance
130 vehicles have been earmarked for refurbishment but the SANDF is looking at overhauling 250 trucks. Three vehicles have been completely refurbished so far with others in the works. The first vehicle, a Samil 20, had 250 hours of work done on it involving the engine, differentials, electrical system, pneumatic system, bodywork etc. http://www.ocnus.net/artman2/publish/Africa_8/Cuban%20Technicians%20Bringing%20SA%20Army%20Trucks%20Back%20to%20Life.shtml
The SANDF and old SADF have always outsourced high-skill/high-labor maintenance to private entities as a cost saving measure. The Cuban army is willing to do it cheaper and help improve the quality of the manics we have. It is also a solid political move that improves the bonds between the two military's and is a source of desperately needed revenue for teh
Henry120: - Tell that to Margaret tharcter, Ronald Regan, the U.S senate and the Afrikanner government.
- She is Fat, this is a fact.
- no I didn't, to push home this point, the SANDF had to hire mechanics from Cuba, plus you have an insufficient number of Gripen pilots for 26 planes after 15 years. She was spot on.
- 1 in 5 South-Africans is a filthy HIV carrier.
These are facts.
Deal with them!
1. According to 90% of the South African population - they are freedom fighters
2. How is heir body type relevant to anything at all?
3. Cuban mechanics are replacing the role that private companies used to have in the SANDF. Has nothing to do with anything other than the SANDF improving its fiscal efficiency.
4. We have sufficient pilots to utterly destroy the Nigerian airforce 4a. The Gripen is not fully operational yet.
stillchris: are you ttrying to say SANDF army engineers are not well trained or too daft to maintain your equipments?
you do realize the cubans you hired are from their army engineers and not private firn.
dull army.
How are you not understanding this?
SANDF does light maintenance on equipment, and some heavy maintenance on small number of equipment, heavy maintenance on large numbers of equipment is outsourced to private companies - this is cheaper than keeping large numbers of specialist personnel on the SANDF pay-roll
The deal with the Cubans is an even cheaper option as they can perform the same repairs as private companies for less and at the same time assist with the training
Read what I posted again, SANDF is not doing anything different, it is simply choosing the cheaper alternative
agaugust: Did Nigeria buy rifle from South Africa? We bought SAMIL transport trucks and MRAP including medical ambulances.
You have no wide knowledge of military stuff beyond your AK-47 rifle and some ancient low tech Niger delta militancy war.
The AK-47 rifle remains the most reliable assault rifle in the world today. Even Algeria the oil rich nation with the biggest defence budget in Africa is still using AK-47 rifle locally manufactured and also using the Chinese version of AK-47.
Nigeria is now fighting war with guided missile armed drones and we are the first in Africa and the only nation in Africa to do that, yet you still still say Nigeria is poorly armed. No country in Africa can match Nigeria's ISTAR capability NOT even Egypt or South Africa, they are 66 years behind us in combat ISTAR equipment technology.
Mister delta fisherman, go mend your canoe and go back fishing after you watch the BBC video in the weblink below :
AK-47 is a trash weapon, its only redeeming quality is that it is cheap
Nigeria has no missile armed drones
Gripen can operate in the ISTAR role
And since we are comparing, Nigeria has no subs, no modern missile armed warships, no modern aircraft, no PGM's, no fast recon assets, no dedicated attack helo's, no data-link, no bluefor trackers, no advanced communication equipment, no mobile radar systems, no feild camp systems, no feild bakery systems, no mobile feild hospital systems, no adequate surveillance equipment, no advanced training facilities or equipment, no ability to air-drop supplies, no air-deployable assets or weapons systems, no standardized equipment (webbing, unfirorms, chest-rigs)
agaugust: We employed your mechanics to repair your manufactured products for the urgent need until Nigerian army mechanics get the skills for SAMIL truck engines, etc.
17 year old SADF men? Show us proof SADF had 17 year old special forces in Angola. One of the best elite troops ever in the defunct SADF, Colonel Eben himself is now about 65 years old today !
SADF has NEVER had more than a few hundred special forces deployed in bush war Angola. The 4,000 men in frontline are mostly basic regular troops plus non-combatant soldiers like drivers, mechanics, cooks, nedicals, etc.
The total number of men that ever became special forces in SADF are less than 1,000 during the bush war.
Troop rotation means soldiers A and B fight 6 months, go home on vacation, soldiers C and D replace them for 6 months, then C and D too go for vacation so A and B come back to replace them.
That is how you recycle the same 1,000 troops for 10 years. Troop rotation means rotation....recycle.....repeat.....not that you create a new batch of 1,000 fresh soldiers every 6 months when you rotate.
Dullard Domingo, your dull brain itself needs rotation ! .
1. Regular soldiers are enough (compared to your men) to serve as PMC's 2. SADF was a conscript army - the majority of those 20 000 men served their tour and were released from the army, a new batch of men replaced them to do their year of service.
Henry120: Oh no pig, you cannot afford Aviation fuel.
By the time this 6 weeks offensive would be done with, Nigeria would have recorded what would be recorded as a military miracle.
Clearing and killing thousands of insurgents in an area the size of scotland and wales.
This is a military marvel!!!
In Nigeria, our Government hired PMC's to aid with on the ground training of our new systems to enable us decimate the terrorists.
In South-Africa, the government had to negotiate with the terrorists, and worse, lost the control of power to the terrorist.
There is no difference between Somalia and South-Africa in this regard.
45% of the men in your military are filthy HIV carriers. In a conflict, all an opposing force has to to is sit out and watch half the SANDF attacking force die of HIV.
Pig, run along, ask your fat minister to fix the military she described as " critically deficient in skill(this is why you only have 9 Gripen pilots after 15 years), motivation and ethos required to operate".