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agaugust:
Your data has errors, what is the source ?

G-6 Rhino is a 20 year old 1990s technology now becoming obsolete.

Archer is 2 year old 2013 technology and worlds most sophisticated, far superior to the G-6.

You compare things that don't matter in artillery war, I compare technology/systems/accuracy/targeting/magnification/combat history etc.

Bofors Archer is king !

https://www.operatorchan.org/v/src/140435386988.jpg
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Ok, you keep saying its better

But how is it better?

Give us details. Give us facts. Age means nothing.

agaugust:
I compare technology/systems/accuracy/targeting/magnification/combat history etc
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No you dont, you simply say that because something is newer it is better, give us details... actually compare the technology... tell us how it is better!!

Until you do, G6 is better.

agaugust:
France with Jaguar jets and battalions of special forces defeated Libya that was already cruising Ghaddafi's victorious army close to Chad's capital city, I proved that here last month with international sources of repute. Stop repeating lies on this thread.

Chad never fights and wins a war without France. Fighting alone 3 times, Chad lost to Nigeria in ALL border wars.

As we speak now, France's mighty Rafale jet fighters are flying missions inside Chad along border with Nigeria

Chadian air force = ZERO = South African air force
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Augustus - you complete and utter liar.

The french raided ONE Libyan airfeild - ONE the french only engaged in air-combat against the Libyans.

Chad utterly crushed the Libyan army in one-on-one combat killing 7,500, capturing 1,000 and destroying 800 tanks and APCs
as well as 28 aircraft (french probably responsible for the majority of the aircraft)

You keep claiming you beat chad in all 3 border skirmishes, yet you are unable to substantiate it with proof, so until you do it shall be added to your long list of lies.

Chad is doing what your army cannot - liberating your people

How pathetic that you rely on your neighbors to free your people.

Chad confirmed for best military in the region

agaugust:
Yes they were all tried and those guilty sentenced to death....story all over the news....Most disciplined army in the world....Nigerian army
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Most ill-disciplined

I dont see NATO nations needing to execute men

agaugust:
I d.em.olish all your arguments

Plus Chad's army has been proved a mumu under Nigeria's military command.

Then SANDF, AU, Uganda, UN, etc nobody is sending any such military forces to help Nigeria....we have saved ourselves, we proved it with many weblinks and it hurts you so badly you begin to contemplate suicide.....then your fear of going to h.ell fire for your many sins won't let you k.ill yourself

#Tormented
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Augustus - chadian forces are liberating your people

agaugust:
Means the Chadian army is incompetent, Cameroon invited them to guard Cameroon, they left their duty post to cross border into Gamboru to make public image and hunt for glory in Nigeria, 600 Cameroonians bleed to death/hospital as a result of 2,000 Chadian soldiers abandoning their duty post, in a standard army, and by universal martial law, all those 2,000 Chadian troops will be tried in court martial for abandoning their duty post leading to massive loss of lives under their protection.....The Chadian army will be in jail by now, not on YouTube claiming 'victory'....Fools....just like South Africans....Fools !

In military law and doctrine, you watch where you are told to watch.....I have been education your blocked b.rain for one week now, learn !
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LOL

Says the guys whos army lost an area the size of belgium to the enemy

Every single male of military age in nigeria should then be tried for abandoning their posts

agaugust:
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Do it again and I we will mess up this thread because I will massively retaliate and this forum will scatter ![/size]

You have allready ruined this thread


Who cares, this is nothing more than a Nigerian troll fest

agaugust:
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Nope, it is you South Africans that should be ashamed of your 50,000 soldiers sleeping in bed with their wives at home while they abandoned the innocent civilians of C.A.R Bangui to their fate in the claws of Seleka rebels, Nigeria NEVER abandoned Liberia and Sierra Leone for 10 years, 10 whole years, until the war ended and peace came with a new democratic elections. South African army has NO courage to do that, so all you 50 million South Africans should forever be ashamed of your disgraceful cowardly history


Chad liberated Nigeria where, how many towns confirmed?

Chad told lies they liberated Baga, Reuters of France said no !

Chad claimed they liberated Dikwa, Reuters of France said no !

Reuters of France gave 100% credit of Baga liberation to Nigerian army, and 100% planned liberation of Dikwa to Nigerian army next stage plans and 100% ongoing air bombardment of Dikwa to Nigerian air force......Chad has NO air force to show the world

France, the masters of Chad are now denying the Chadian claims exposing them as lies and fraud.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/03/us-nigeria-violence-chad-insight-idUSKBN0LZ0DS20150303

So, Chad has been telling massive lies all over the news media, if you love that, then you are a man without honour and moral values by birth.



Chad liberated only one empty town confirmed...Gamborou and with heavy losses across the border from Gamboru....40 Chadian soldiers dead/wounded, 20 Cameroonians dead/wounded, 600 Cameroonian civilians dead/wounded.....If that looks like success to you, then no wonder South African military so much respects Chadian army, they are military failures just like your SANDF cowards

Nigerian army rules black Africa !
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The hight of delusion.

Chad has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they are the most effective military in the region in both Conventional and COIN warfare

They humiliated Gaddafi's army and now they are liberating the people of Nigeria!

agaugust:
No way! G-6 Rhino is an over 20 year old artillery system. The Bofors Archer 2013 version is far better !
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How is it better?

Age is nothing in military equipment.

Abrams is over 20 years old, and will still whoop Russia's brand new T90's or Armata's and China's Type 99's

agaugust:
Your claim is false. Displaced persons are returning home. Only few dozens of civilians die . Boko Haram now dies in thousands from Nigerian Military firepower...or no Tv news in your village? Oh yes, no Tv, load shedding has plunged your Rainbow nation into pitch black darkness, your rainbow even shows no colours anymore, now it's all black and dark in South Africa thanks to Eskom....your laptop runs on battery, your browsing is mostly run with cell phone, your bedrooms run on candles....melting hot candle wax flows all over South Africa as as your country's electricity infrastructure declines uncontrollably.

over 5000 dead civilians

1,5 million displaced

Nigerian Army advance is along a small axis along the MSR to Chad (and bypasses the major BH pocket)

You have a long way to go

lezz:
you call an act of tterrorism a civil war? Get real, you can do better.

One mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter

agaugust:
The 5000 innocent Nigerian civilians wounded/killed and 1,5 million displaced while under Nigerian army protection DO NOT SEE ANY Nigerian army victory because there is none in reality
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Fixed that for you

agaugust:
Europeans are pocketing all the money/revenue from Badger engine and components parts sales. Stop fvcking yourself dude

CITATION DESPERATELY NEEDED

iterator24:
Finland gets her cut on every unit of badger produced in SA... fact!

So what?

Your entire arsenal is composed of foreign products... and none of your IFV's compare to the Patria

See the disconnect here?

iterator24:
you've had the same argument with your compatriots in the past andrewza,

www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=32046:badger-ifv-industrialisation-starts-in-earnest-with-first-production-model-expected-in-2015&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

The hull is Swedish you chuckle-Bleep

Whats inside the hull is South African, and has allready been sold to other countries

DieVluit:
The revenues from all Badger sales are south african.

Fact and ultimate test.

(((((BOOOM))))

iterator24:
Bros, the Patria AMV variant manufactured under licence as badger in SA is 90% Finnish ...Fact!

70% south african

Henry120:
It's a Finnish vehicle, the only thing South-African in the Patria IFV is it's turret

- turret
- gun
- mortar
- missile
- suspension modifications
- IED protection
- optics
- communications equipment
- seats
- hull modifications

All South African, suck on that, bro

Henry120:
The development of the Rooivalk proved to be technically very challenging, and budget cuts only compounded the problems. The original plan to build 36 production aircraft (plus the four prototypes) was abandoned and, in the end, only 12 were built.


Your initial order for 36 Rooivalk attack Helicopters were cut because you were BROKE(like we don't continue to see this with the SANDF almost on a daily basis), and not because of some cooked up doctrine.

Nope.

Because the size of the SANDF was cut from 400 000 men to roughly 90 000, hence why we have 131 MBT's, 94 Rooikat and about 666 Ratels in storage or reserve - left overs from the old days.

Henry120:
The Rooivalk’s landing gear is unmodified. The main landing gear was developed and manufactured in France to South African specifications, while the tail landing gear was designed, developed and manufactured in South Africa by Denel.

The rotor blades, part of the main gearbox and part of the tail gearbox (including two bevel gears) are of French design but manufactured in South Africa under licence by Denel Aviation. The rotor head, however, is made in France. The driveshaft for the tail rotor was designed and manufactured in South Africa.


"There can be no doubt that the image of the Rooivalk has suffered as a result of misleading and exaggerated official propaganda in the early years of the programme."



Propaganda gulped by Patches689.

You just proved that barely any of the Rooivalk is french... and what is built by the french is designed by us!!

agaugust:
South Africa NEVER bought 236 Badger IFVs, you have ONLY about 6 for experimental tests.

You bought no new warships, missiles, torpedoes blah blah blah.....name the weapons and country of sale, and year of delivery, with photos of those 6 new ships in your navy.

You think we Nigerians are fools here that you can bamboozle with your tales by moonlight?
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Order for production of 236 has been placed and paid for

Order for serial production of A-darter missiles has been placed and paid for

Order for heavy-weight torpedoes has been placed and money allocated

Tenders for 6 new warships has been placed and money allocated

agaugust:
Nope, South African literacy rate is about 40 % and much lower than Nigeria. Your white apartheid masters denied you education as "lesser human beings".

Literacy rate 93% includes illiterate local herbalists and pig farm laborers who speak one of the 10 local languages by birth as mother tongue, they have never been to school, yet they are deceitfully counted as literate for speaking a language like Zulu, etc because you have 10 such local language of illiterates legally recognized by ANC government along with English language the 11th official language.

Only the South Africans who speak English and graduated high school are literate, the rest are illiterate local language speakers and they form about 60 % of South African population.

Your real literary level is about 40 % in Soweto nation, thanks to 100 years of white-man's oppression of your fathers
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This is pathetic trolling at its worst

andrewza:
4000 not 40 000.

woops

agaugust:
Fact is that we see Nigeria buying new weapons and we see South Africa grounding the current weapons it has for lack of maintenance money....sign of no cash....proof of financial crisis.

SANDF is broker than broke
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Which weapons are grounded?

So you missed the part where South Africa bought 236 brand new world class IFVs? OR 6 new warships? or heavy weight torpedoes? or air-to-air missiles? or 40 000 more soldiers (the size of the army is going to double)?

lol, whatever

Henry120:
Up to 14 failed bids in Europe and south-east Asia is all the proof i need. The Brits, spanish, turks in Europe rejected it. Malaysia, Thailand and a host of other nations in that region also rejected it.

SAAF only has 10 of them in active service, Your government doesn't even want them.

Rooivalk Helicopter = Half French monumental failure.

Again - no facts to substantiate what you are saying.

Government just said they want more - link posted and everything.

Are you blind?

Henry120:
It failed at-least 14 bids across the world, so much so Denel declared economically inviable. I pasted a citation, you chose to ignore it, your problem, not mine.


You did not build that rooivalk. That helicopters, just like the Super-Puma in SAAF service were built using french expertise, know how, components and technology.

14 failed bids - you made that up
built with french expertise - you made that up as well

I am not wasting my time with you anymore. Come with facts or citations and I shall respond, until then, you are unworthy of my keystrokes

Also, still waiting for that apology

agaugust:
Here's your citation....swallow it like venom and collapse

http://leadership.ng/news/413611/nigerian-troops-responsible-for-liberation-of-seized-towns-shettima


"Borno State Governor Kashim Shettima has yesterday said that 90 per cent of the ongoing battle to reclaim seized territories under the Boko Haram terrorists is being carried out by the Nigerian armed forces and not by the foreign troops as “wrongly” perceived by the media.

Shettima insisted that soldiers of Chad, Cameroon and Niger Republics cannot claim undue credits for the current successes being recorded over Boko Haram because the Nigerian forces are playing larger role in the exercise.

“We appreciate their efforts and support for the government of Nigeria, but it should be known that the bulk of the job of cleansing our society of these Boko Haram lunatics is being done by officers and men of the Nigerian armed forces who are ably supported by the Nigeria Air force”.

http://leadership.ng/news/413611/nigerian-troops-responsible-for-liberation-of-seized-towns-shettima



Nigeria is winning NOT because Chad came with 2,000 soldiers into a huge war theatre bigger than the size of Great Britain.

2,000 men ? How far will they cover the huge lands ?

Cameroon and Niger Republic hardly even, cross border into Nigeria. Chad and Cameroon restricted only to Gamborou border town, Niger republic is restricted to Diffa border town.

MNJTF rules and regulation FORBIDS the 3 nations Chad, Nigerr, Cameroon from going beyond those border lines and the adjoining towns.

Boko Haram head quarters is NOT on the border areas, it is deep inside Sambisa forest and second HQ in Balmo forest....ONLY Nigerian troops are allowed there and they are sweeping the place like hell ! Clearing Bokos land mines and flushing the Boko men and weapons down the toilet.

Nigeria is winning now ONLY BECAUSE the long planned, promised, and awaited FINAL OFFENSIVE has begun after massive arrival of ne heavy weapons......Swallow this venom and d.ie quick !



"http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/02/boko-haram-why-military-offensive-is-yielding-results-dasuki/

"IN the last seven days, the Nigerian military has been recording series of victories against Boko Haram insurgents, recapturing towns after towns from the terrorists in the Northeastern part of the country.

The military has also stormed the dreaded Sambisa Forest base of the insurgents with ease attacking and decimating the terrorists, who are now scampering for safety in several directions.

The series of conquests are traceable to a number of factors,which hitherto encumbered the operations of the military.
According to National Security Adviser, Col. Sambo Dasuki,rtd....Adequate supply of new weapons.

The first is that the Nigerian Army and its Airforce which all along didn’t have the requisite weaponry to fight the type of guerrilla warfare that was visited on the country by Boko Haram have become properly equipped with the necessary military hardware.
The Nigerian Airforce were reinvigorated by the Federal Government’s procurement of 40 attack aircraft including helicopters with night vision equipment and capabilities for night operations.

Before now, the Boko Haram terrorists, aware of the shortcomings of the military, employed anti-aircraft guns with which some Airforce aircrafts were brought down. The noise level of such aircraft easily gave them out during attack missions but that has been addressed.
Many armoured personnel carriers were also demobilized by these anti-aircraft weapons as well as landmines planted on attack routes by Boko Haram.

But with the new acquisitions like mines-counter armoured personnel carriers such as the Cobras equipped with night vision, which can operate on any terrain; the High Velocity T55 armoured tanks with mine sweeping capabilities, Boko Haram terrorists now know they can never be a match for the Nigerian military. They are yet to understand what is hitting them. "

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/02/boko-haram-why-military-offensive-is-yielding-results-dasuki/#sthash.eFBdm8Kh.dpuf


[size=16pt]Your Soweto mentality hopes of a Nigeria that is being saved by AU forces, and SANDF forces has been finally crushed by the mighty Nigerian military.....Black Giants Of Black Africa !
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Your sources are all Nigerian - propaganda is clear for all to see.

International media tells it like it is:

A spokesman for the Nigerian army confirmed the Chadians had cleared Boko Haram from the Nigerian town of Mallam Fatori, and said the operation had been coordinated with Nigeria’s military, also operating in the area.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/african-union-calls-for-regional-force-to-combat-boko-haram-1422611046

Chadian forces have also liberated the Nigerian towns of Baga, Dikwa, Malam Fatori, Damasak, Ngala and parts of Bama in the past four days, Jubrin Gunda, a spokesman for a Nigerian militia group, said Tuesday by phone from northeastern city of Maiduguri
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-03/chad-s-military-takes-nigerian-town-gamboru-from-boko-haram

Your people are liberated by men from another country

agaugust:
Defence expenditure posts are trolling comments on a military thread/forum? You must be very sick!

Nigeria's $2 Billion new weapons funs is VERY VERY VERY different from the South African minister of defence's cashless fund allocation papers.

President Jonathan's $2 Billion is NOT part of defence budget, it is a special fund ONLY for buying new weapons/equipment like jet fighters, combat helicopters, missiles, tanks etc.....it is different and separate from Nigeria's yearly $6 billion ministry of defence budget.....that is the kind of budget your defence minister is struggling to spend from.....basic defence budget that will be swallowed up by the over-paid lazy sleep at home SANDF parasite soldiers who avoid going to war in hot zones like C.A.R Bangui where Seleka rebels are waiting to slaughter SANDF
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Augustus.

You said that budget allocations are not enough to prove that it is being acquired. How is the $2 billion budget allocation (with no specific details on what it is being spent on) different from ours?

At least in ours the Minister of Finance specified exactly what was being aquired, namely new heavy-weight torpedoes, the production of the A-darter, 3 IPV's & 3 OPV's, upgrade of the Valour class, GBADS Phase 3 (uhmkonto ground launchers), continued development of Marlin and Raptor III as well as expansion of the Army to 81 000 men and women.

Very specific details with very specific allocations of money - yet your vague money allocation is more concrete than ours?

You hypocrisy disgusts me.

Some more "heavy metal"

an ode to the Ratel... who's days are numbered.

NighttWalker:
Monguno recaptured by NA

New acquired Samil truck mouthed with a ridiculously big gun....wow

I hear you like Truck-Technical's

overhypedsteve:
its totally african( apart from the truck.) it was done by the sudanese MIC ( military industry corperation).
The Military Industry Corporation is the state-run defense corporation of Sudan. It is responsible for the production of a wide range of defense equipment

We did it ages ago

With a better gun-system

patriot4:
I don't really see the vlue of "training" people in fields they already master and probably even more than the "trainer", being the operator in charge of a site of the exercise doesn't make you the trainer of whomever does the exercise.

experience =/= skill