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Henry120:
It won't work using a 105mm. The sudanese khalifa is a practical system though.

Easyer with a 105 - less recoil.

Henry240:
The military doesn't need an AFV in the middle of the city. An MRAP in the city is even over kill.

IFV's, AFV'S, MBT's and MRAPs should be used in operations outside the city, excerpt if there is a substantial threat on the city, the military can then roll out the big guns.

It makes no sense having tanks in Abuja as a deterrent when actual operations are in maiduguri.

You do realize that IED's and VBIED's are most prevalent in cities and built up areas?

dieantwordRSA

Stop this sh1t

Henry120:
* The Rooivalk again showed it's an expensive piece of obsolete metal, with a high running cost running cost and poor outdated avionics.

The Rooivalk is more of a french helicopter than South-African

What proof do you have to substantiate these 2 claims?

O, as usual, the answer is ZERO - you have simply made them up.

The sad truth here (for you) is that you need to make things up to even be able to try to argue with us on this forum.

I shall deal with the rest of your post when you provide proof for the above two claims.

Henry120:
Denel has now decided that the Rooivalk, on whose development the government spent R8bn, is not commercially viable and it will not spend any new money on the helicopters.
Armscor and the defence department will now have to decide whether to subsidise the maintenance of Denel's Rooivalk capability so that it can continue servicing the 12 helicopters bought by the South African Air Force over their 25-year lifespan.
The other option would be for the air force to mothball the helicopters and for the costs to be written off entirely.



"Liebenberg said that after Denel's failure to win the $2bn Turkey tender for 50 helicopters after giving it its best shot, the company realised that it would not be able to sell the Rooivalk anywhere else and that it could not sustain the project commercially."



After 14 failed bids, there is no doubt in my mind that buyers rejected the Helicopter because it is obsolete.





As to how it is French, we've been proving this over the years.

There isn't any proof to show the apartheid regime could independently conceptualise and build an Helicopter.

That Helicopter was built entirely on french expertise, same as on the Super Puma.

Yes - it failed one bid. So what?

Where do you get 14 from? O yeah - you made that up.

Yes - there are french engine components, no one has ever disputed this. The rest of the helo is 100% South African.

What evidence do you have to suggest that we could not build a helicopter? Just because you clowns struggle to develop a simple armored car does not mean that we suffer from similar handicaps.

Now - post citations, or stop posting. We dont have time to waste with clowns who come on this forum and bandy about meaningless words, and attempt to pass them off as fact when, indeed, the only fact is that they have made them up.

Also, still waiting for that apology.

agaugust:
[size=20pt]90 % of all land combat....Nigerian army !

99.99% of all air combat....Nigerian air force

We own this war, we control this war, we order Chad, Niger and Cameroon around on border lines !

90 % on land...99.99 % in air, giant slice belongs to Nigeria

We rule Africa....Giant Nigeria

We will soon answer the call to help mighty Egypt in Libya to delete ISIS !

We are Nigeria....Giant of Africa...no controversy ![/size]
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[citation needed]

Why is it that you start winning as soon as Chad and Cameroon begin offensive operations?

Chad and Cameroon are liberating Nigeria!

Henry120:
The Rooivalk is an obsolete French Helicopter. That Helicopter has been involved in 14 failed bids.

That's a record.

How is it obsolete?

Yeah, well, not suprised its bids failed when it only became militarily operational 4 years ago. And the helicopters it was competeing against had decades of operational history.

How it is french?

Dont bother answering, I know that you are unable to substantiate what you say with any proof or evidence whatsoever.

Troll.

agaugust:
Thanks for stylishly admitting South Africa is afraid of NAF buying JF-17 Thunder especially if a BVR missile comes with it, you go peepee for ya shokoto and pata

We are not afraid of myths

agaugust:
I never disputed that. I always said NAF and SAAF are stuck with short range missiles with equal air to air power
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I have shown (dozens of times) that this is false.

Gripen is superior to the F-7, our missiles are superior to yours.

Air-to-air power is heavily in our advantage.

agaugust:
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South Africa may, likely, planning to, trying to....Blah Blah Blah.

Do you know what Nigeria too is planning? AWACS aircraft! Just waiting to confirm details from inside sources.

Today, SAAF has NO single A-Darter and MARLIN missile does NOT even exist.

Case closed[/size]
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Nigeria has not announced aquisition of AWACS and has not announced that AWACS is going into production.

Both have been done for the A-darter.

Deal with it

agaugust:
Nigeria and Russia now own new Hind E versions with reduced IR signature from the exhaust. Hind E has changed the Hind into a far better helicopter than Rooivalk will ever be.

Multirole aircraft are always superior to single role aircraft

Hinds are multirole, Rooivalk is a single role waste of money....$40 million fvcking dollars, price of Su-30 Flanker jet !
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Russia and Nigeria do not use the same Hinds - you use the monkey model

Hind is nothing to be proud of, neither is the Russian airforce

Rooivalk is a dedicated attack helicopter - every single gram of it is designed with one thing in mind - attack

Hind is not purpose built, it is not specifically designed. Thus, as an attack helicopter, it is inferior.

How is it inferior?

- worse performance stats, bigger traget, cant hover in combat, smaller weapons payload, poor cabin lay-out, no crew redundancy, no slaved weapons, poor agility, poor situational awareness

agaugust:
Modern Hind wheels are now retractable, fool.

Your Rooivalk fixed wheels will break of by force in a crash land.

A-129 is a 1980 design, so you can compare your obsolete Rooivalk....birds of same feather flock together.

Yes, and a Hind will break its airframe if it crash lands. Rooivalks wheels will help cushion the fall.

The Hind is an older design than the Rooivalk - by allmost 20 years - you imbvecile

agaugust:
Apache landing gear is underbelly NOT glued to wing area airframe....open your eyes...don't be like the 3-blind-mice

And so? How is this relevant? How does it make it obsolete?

agaugust:
Rooivalk helicopter airframe is obsolete design, alone has scared every potential customer....NOBODY IS GONNA FVCKING BUY YA FVCKING OLD ROOIVALK TURKEY
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Rooivalk bid for Turkey failed because Turkey had an embargo on French defense components and the Rooivalk contains components from french engine manufacturers.

agaugust:
SAAF has no A-Darter in service today.

By the time you buy any single A-Darter, NAF JF-17 will have BVR missiles with 100 km range so your unlucky Gripen jet will not even be able to launch any of it's unlucky 22 km range A-Darter missile before it gets shot down by NAF JF-17 Devastating Thunder jets
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A-darter goes into production this year

JF-17 is a dream for you

agaugust:
I said the airframe design is obsolete and I stand by it, a 20 year old design is obsolete today. Tell me a Toyota Camry 1995 model is a modern design

Hinds Airframe is from the 1960's - so well done on destroying your own argument

agaugust:
I posted photos of both Rooivalk and modern version of Hind for you to compare, I said look at the tyres/landing gear, but as a life-time member of the 3-blind-mice society of South Africa, you failed to see that the obsolete Rooivalks tyres hang outside permanently like an old horses' dîck, while the modern Hinds tyres are invisible as a retractable landing gear.

How does a lack a retractable gears make it obsolete?

You post like a child.

agaugust:
Thanks for quoting that United Nations say the Hind is better.

Ukraine flies older generation Hinds , but Nigeria flies new generation 2014 Hind E versions with the most modern and sophisticated Russian avionics
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Ok

So how are the avionics better than the Rooivalk?

agaugust:
$2 billion dollars was released by Nigerian president 6 months ago specially for new weapons purchase only, and after the release, NAF announced it will buy JF-17 Thunder.

No argument needed!

SANDF is reported broke and will soon retrench soldiers en-mass, plus self imposed embargo on new weapons purchases.

Now go jump into river orange with a bag of Dangote cement strapped to your back
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How is the $2 billion released from your government different from allocations made by our minister of defence?

How could you contradict yourself so hard?

SANDF is not broke - the budget has gone up - is not retrenching soldiers (it just recruited 4000 college graduates)

It has continued with arms aquisitions - Badger IFV, 6 new vessels, new state-of-the-art heavyweight torpedoes, new patrol aircraft for the 2015/2016 financial year, A-darter production, GBADS Phase 3, Marlin Development, upgrades to Rooikat and G6 etc etc etc

Augustus, I demand that you stop trolling this thread and pulling down standards with troll posts

agaugust:
You were here when Southies posted 3 different OPV options for SAN to buy, they confessed not sure which on your broke navy may buy....SANDF is broke.

You envy Nigeria's new purchases especially our missile armed drones that South Africa will not have
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Because, unlike Nigeria, we do not have any arms embargoes placed upon us.

The tender is open and there are many bidders (6-7 shipyards have been named) the winner will be announced by the middle of the year

agaugust:
15 million South Africans have never seen one electric light bulb in their wretched lives.

35 million South Africans survive on candles, thanks to ESKOM daily punishment of load shedding

Nothing will change for many years to come, NYSC...Now Your Suffering Continues....

More Nigerians have never seen a light buld than there are actual South Africans

Nigeria produces ;less than 3% of the power South Africa does

agaugust:
NAF JF-17 Thunder 4th generation jet fighter is on the way....25 to 40 units
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Show us the money for the JF-17!!

#YourOwnArgumentKillsYou

agaugust:
NAF Mi-35M Hind E 2014 model, the latest in Russian air force. Get it ?

How is it better than the Rooivalk?

Despite the Hind being a bigger target, having worse performance stats, less maueverable, unable to hover in combat, no crew redundancy, carrying less munitions, harder to work on, having an older air-frame, notoriously terrible russian engines with a short life-span, shocking ergonomics, no helmet mounted displays, no helmet slaved weapons... its better? lol, ok.

agaugust:
Dare me for what? Are you blind and illiterate? The ugly and super ugly Rooivalk helicopter design is about 20 years old, the final production design is both ugly and very obsolete by modern standards. Look at the tyres-landing gear, nobody in his right senses will design combat helicopter landing gear like that today.

Nigeria has latest version of Russian Mi-35 Hind E with latest 2014 avionics, not the old ones in your Rooivalk, NAF flies same combat helicopters with Russia`s mighty air force.

Stop fvcking yourself dude, the SAAF Rooivalk wasted too much time on design table and by the time it entered service, the airframe design has become obsolete... compare the Rooivalk and Hind....Ya fvcking Rooivalk design iz fvcking obsoletz nobody`s gonna buy it

So its obsolete because it is ugly? How old are you? 12?

Wheels are designed like that so that it can operate out of the bush - its an advantage over all other attack helo's, and what is wrong with landing gear like that?

How are the avionics in the Rooivalk obsolete or ineferio to the M-35?

Rooivalk airframe is too old? You do realize that the Hind airframe first flew in 1969

You said you would show us how it is obsolete... please do, we are waiting

Also, you dont operate the same helo as the russian airfroce, you operate the export monkey model version

ChukwuCantDie:
Shut up whiteboy i dont care...fukk you, your language and your ugly family, you aren't African and you never will be.

You are correct

Whites, Coloureds, Indians and Chinese are not African. We dont want to be African. We are South African.

AugustineAgain:
Manufacturer legal control does not allow 3rd party weapons transfer without permit.
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Where does it say that?

AugustineAgain:
NAF does not do Hollywood photo mania like SAAF that has inferiority complex due to lack of combat experience, you want to boost your ego with photos while Nigeria boosts ego with combat experience.

The was NEVER any report ANYWHERE that NAF has shortage of pilots for F-7 jets....or else show us one such source/report !

Rather is is SAAF that has been reported by many sources all over the world as having shortage of pilots, 9 Gripen pilots previously qualified, the rest are dummies that cannot do combat, while recent reports now say the 9 previously qualified Gripen jet pilots NO LONGER get qualifying flight hours, means NO SINGLE QUALIFIED GRIPEN JET PILOT in South African air force today 2015 !

SAAF is d.ead
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Where are you drawing these conclusions from?

What recent reports?

I feel sorry for you - having to invent stories so that you can sleep at night

lezz:
your first attempt at defense is a tactless, bogus claim.

You would even deny your name just to get even with Nigeria.

Maybe if you did some research before you opened your mouth you wouldent humiliate yourself
South African literacy rate is over 93%
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2103.html

AugustineAgain:
How much weapons can $15 million buy? It wont buy a Rooivalk.

Deliveries have shown only ambulances and SAMIL trucks all NOT armed.

Nigerian military disclosed the list of South African deal to you? When? Even the T-72 tank deals are not disclosed officially, we discovered by photos only, and photos now show SAMIL trucks.....South Africa does not have the kind of weapons we want, Mi-35 Hinds, T-72 tanks, BTR-4 IFV.....you don't have what we need critically, ambulance and trucks is all you have to sell at cheap give away prices, that's why we bought them.

$15 million is chicken money, we are paying Russia $1 Billion for real weapons. Mumu
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You cannot afford what we sell.

All you can afford from us is 17 year old second hand trucks

TDLR; we sell T-72's and Hinds (pic related)

AugustineAgain:
CITATIONS needed for the above privately fabricated stories
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Google it - its all common knowledge.

I cant believe you dont know this stuff. Shows what an absolute ingrate you really are.

AugustineAgain:
Nope, I never said Nigerian army recaptures, I said we capture, meaning Boko Haram was there contesting the towns.

Capture is NOT = Re-capture.....the towns were infiltrated by Bokos, we captured them and asserted 100% undiluted un-shared control.

SANDF can not do that in Bangui or in Kruger park where you share South African territory with ordinary Rhino poachers
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You cannot capture what you have not lost.

The fact that the town had a boko haram signpost says it all.

AugustineAgain:
We did NOT buy any South African weapons with that money, it was for vehicles that were not armed, South Africa did NOT eat our money, you promised to return it, but hunger will not allow you to lose the business, the vehicles are now being delivered....German engine SAMIL Trucks now in Nigerian army.

50 million Southies have no courage to touch Nigerian money, unlike the courageous Dangote R.aped South African economy and swallowed your ONE BILLION RAND and nothing your country could do aboot it, we own and colonize you

http://richnigerianpharmacists.com/south-african-tiger-brand-loses-82-billion-to-dangote-business-lessons/
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This guy keeps posting that citation.

I dont think he realizes that the link tells us all that dangote's business is failing

What a clutz

Also, FYI, SAMIL is a South African truck - it stands for South African Military, and they went out of production in 1998. So either you bought 19 year old second hand trucks, or you have no idea what you are talking about.

Your incompetence is too much to handle.

AugustineAgain:
Now you just proved what we said here many times, SANDF is cash broke

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Nope, SANDF just spends money wisely.

This way, when we do go to war, we wont be like Nigeria and be forced to panic buy whatever cr@p is left over from the cold war

AugustineAgain:
NAF does not do Hollywood air show with unqualified pilots like you do in SAAF.

We have surplus F-7 jet pilots
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Who says they are F-7 pilots? you?

Also, that is only 7.

AugustineAgain:
We have over 12 F-7 pilots, I posted photos of 7 of those pilots here many times repeatedly.

Show us 12 F-7s in the sky