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charlos14:
more like 70% Finnish. It is modular meaning it is interchangable

No - literally 70% South African.

This is old content, consult the archives.

MikeCZAR:
The Umbani glide bomb is already doing well in tests in the UAE.

The development is complete.

I am talking about the Raptor 3

charlos14:
They emphasized so much on it that it was seemed like a Denel product henceforth, I will take any of their tales with a pinch of Salt.

Let me take a screenshot of the wikipedia page before they go and edit it

70% of the Badger IFV is South African, we have allready sold components of the vehicle to malaysia (something only the original manufacturer can do)

No one ever disputed that it is based on the Patria AMV - infact many of us pointed that out when the combat record of the vehicle was called into question.

agaugust:
South African defence purchases have been on paper for many years now like project Biro navy plan, all paper, no money, no OPV
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Because we do not rush buy like Nigeria, we also do not buy off the shelf products like Nigeria.

We perform studies, we develop local industry, we involve stake-holders, we ensure parliamentary transparency - all lessons we learnt from the arms deal and all things that take time. Even the Defense Review - since it was released the Minister of Finance has said it will be implemented in the 2015/2016 financial year, everything is going as planned.

In just 2 years we have ordered 236 brand new world class IFV's, introduced production of a domestic missile, released tenders for 3 frigate sized OPV's and 3 500t IPV's, a brand new Hydrographic vessel as well as new tugs, completed another phase of the GBADS project, put plans in place for Africa's first Cyber Warfare center, acquired a world class spy satellite, acquired the MILES system, while the development of our 100km SAM, Mobile SAM launchers, armed UAV and precision glide-bomb are nearing the end of their development.

These are simple facts, I cannot beleive you are immature enough to try to argue about this. I believe it is indicative of the desperation you feel when you realize that a peacetime nation is aquiring better equipment than your own nation, despite the fact that you are at war.

agaugust:
Name the torpedoes, name the exporter and show us proof of a signed sales contract.

A400M Airbus story is now SANDF's new way of life, boast first and cancel purchase later for lack of funds
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I named the torpedoes

the exporter is germany

The aquisition has been budgeted for and publically announced.

We have purchased many things since the A400M and more importantly the A400M was not cancelled for a lack of funds

Are you going to contribute to this thread or are you going to continue wasting our time?

agaugust:
Bwahahaha

The story is very clear and simple English language, read the topic again....

SOUTH AFRICAN TIGER BRAND LOSES $82 MILLION TO DANGOTE – BUSINESS LESSONS

That is what accountants call over-valuation on merger/acquisition.

Dangote was smart, he over-valued his Dangote mills and made your M.oronic South African businessmen with ZERO mathematical thinking, to pay excess, Dangote was overpaid by you Dumbazz Domingo South Africans to the tune of over ONE BILLION RANDS CASH....Dangote is R.aping South African economy because Nigerians are more intelligent that your ANC Domingo nation of mumus
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No.

Dangote's buisness is floundering and failing.

That is what is happening.

bidexiii:
Scenes of battle of bara and baba !

eish

Minus one Saigie

Looks like a mine/IED strike. Hopefully the crew got out ok.

patriot4:
Totally wrong, the soldiers know the uniforms better than I do, and up to today I have never made a mistake in recognizing a Nigerian military uniform. Moreover using just one uniform doesn't stop infiltration, because the terrorists can copy it (as they often do, they even did that in iraq against usa army), so I don't get the point you are trying to make. It is giving you headache, but not the soldiers and not me, because the soldiers and I are fammiliarized with the uniforms. The headache it is giving you is further proof that it is a good method to confuse outsiders. I think its best we end this discussion right here, knowing your stubbornness.

Basically, in the army, multiple people in the same unit wearing multiple unfiroms is just not done.

Uniformity is the order of the day - it is a mark of professionalism and discipline.

lezz:
hahahaha. That source is 2013. But don't worry, I never expected anything less. The same way you people claimed CAR was a huge success despite Zuma having to appear before parliament. Despite the whole world asking "what is southafrica doing in the CAR?

2013 is two years ago.

Parliamentary oversight is normal in democratic countries.

lezz:
war battles are twofold.

(1) Acquirement of weapons.

(2) Having the man power and skills to operate these military aquirement in battle situation.

Southafrican soldiers is a true reflection of your companies, firms, and institutions. The legislation of fixing 75% blacks in areas they lack expertise has ruin everything in southafrica- ESPECIALLY YOUR MILITARY .

Read this Four months after admitting that 12 of its 26 Gripen jet fighters had been placed in storage because they were too expensive to operate and there were not enough qualified pilots to fly them, South African officials admitted that the maintenance contracts for all the Gripens had expired in April. That made long term use of the Gripens dangerous. This contract was with a reliable, and expensive, South African firm (Denel). The maintenance contracts pay for ongoing support for the aircraft to include updates and warnings on problems other users have encountered as well as access to manufacturer engineers and maintenance experts. Aircraft become more dangerous to operate (if they operate at all) without regular maintenance and these maintenance contracts are a critical part of that. Some South African politicians are now calling for the Gripens to be sold, as there is not likely to be sufficient money to operate them and retain qualified pilots.

Currently only about half of the remaining 14 Gripens are flyable and there are only six qualified Gripen pilots. Corruption, shrinking defense budgets, and political pressure to find more black combat pilots and technical personnel has led to the South African Air Force having fewer operational aircraft. All this has been going on for over a decade.

For example, back in 2009, the South African Air Force stopped automatically releasing data on how many hours combat pilots flew for training. When the numbers were finally obtained, it was discovered that in 2008, fighter pilots were in the air for 325 hours (less than two hours a month per pilot). In contrast, pilots on VIP flights (carrying politicians and government officials) were up there 1,932 hours. There are about fifty transports and 80 helicopters in the air force at the time, and that number has continued to shrink.

In 2009, the air force had only twenty fighter pilots and only nine Gripen fighters. The remaining 17 were delivered by 2012. In 2008, the last of the 66 Cheetah fighters (rebuilt French Mirage IIIs) were retired. In 2008, the last full year that Cheetahs were operational, fighter pilots got 2,084 hours in the air and the year before that it was 2,448 hours. It’s believed that only six of those twenty fighter pilots were competent to handle these aircraft in combat. Most competent pilots have left the air force because of the lack of flying hours. Many of the pilots remaining got in under a quota system that attempts to add more racial diversity to the air force.

Not surprisingly, many South Africans believe that the South African Air Force (SAAF) has been falling apart for years. The most obvious evidence of this is the decrepit state of aging buildings, runways, and aircraft. But the biggest problem is getting, and keeping, technical people. This is complicated by a government program to integrate previously all white institutions. This has been most difficult in areas that require a lot of technical training and education. Like pilots and aircraft maintainers.

The government has set a racial goal for SAAF pilots and wants them to be 75 percent black and 25 percent white. A lack of qualified black air force personnel means that this goal has still not been met. The morale problem started getting a lot worse back in 2005, when the three top rated graduates of pilot training school, who would normally go on to fly fighters, were told that, because they were white, they would instead fly helicopters or transports. Three less qualified black pilots would go on to fly fighters. When commanders noted the morale problem, and public outcry, they declared that it was no longer the policy to send the best pilots to fighters but to spread the best pilots around to all flying communities.

The problem here is that flying fighters is the technically most demanding job for pilots, and the best pilots only stay in the SAAF to fly fighters. If they wanted to fly helicopters or transports they could make more money, and fly more often, as civilian pilots. So the SAAF is ending up with less competent fighter pilots (which ultimately results in more accidents) and fewer, and less capable, helicopter and transport pilots as well. Since the SAAF pilots are currently selected more for their race than for their ability, the morale of most pilots will remain quite low.

A similar situation occurs in other technical specialties, like maintaining the aircraft. Fewer whites are enlisting for these jobs, and more existing techs are quitting for civilian jobs. There is also pressure on civilian airlines to integrate, but the pressure is not as great because politicians fly those airliners and want the highest quality pilots and maintainers for those aircraft.

Even with the current situation it won’t be easy getting that many black pilots, as blacks with the skills to be pilots tend to prefer better paying civilian jobs. And there aren’t many black pilots to begin with .

ancient artical that has long since been debunked

consult the archives

South Africa is aquiring new torpedoes

DM2A4 Seehecht

- completely immune to countermeasures
- 50km range
- 90kph speed

agaugust:
This is Nigeria's weapons money in action, not some 16 page paper budget of funds to pay salaries of soldiers and buy SANDF HIV drugs for your half dead 30 battalions of soldiers who will die before enemy even shoots them.

Cash buys weapons, not PDF files and paper stories of wish list...

http://allafrica.com/stories/201410230300.html

http://www.punchng.com/news/military-takes-delivery-of-two-jets-loaded-with-weapons/
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What exactly is your argument?

What exactly do you want?

The projects have been given the green light, the money allocated - I dont see what your problem is, I dont see how it is a wish list.

O yes, now I see, while Nigeria has busied itself with buying a handfull of obsolete cold war era trash the SANDF continues to gear up with state of the art equipment... and we are at peace... Its jealousy isnt it?

agaugust:
When you Southies were insulting Nigeria posting stories about refugees and asylum seekers and drug addicts for the past 3 days , were you not spoiling this thread? My retaliation is hurting y.ou real bad as I can see. Insult Nigeria anytime and I will retaliate, get it?

You complained so hard about off topic posting - yet you are the main culprit

I am highlighting your hypocrisy

agaugust:
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Nation of Southie fools, Dangote is Ra.ping your economy big time, he swallowed your one billion Rands....M.orons of ANC shiit hole

SOUTH AFRICAN TIGER BRAND LOSES $82 MILLION TO DANGOTE – BUSINESS LESSONS
http://richnigerianpharmacists.com/south-african-tiger-brand-loses-82-billion-to-dangote-business-lessons/

We Nigerians, we own you South Africans, we milk your dry because you are a nation of permanent M.orons [/size]
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Did you read the artical?

They lost money because Dangote mills is not a profitable enterprise

Not only that, the dangote mills has been losing money like no other business. It has already made a loss of 5 billion naiara already this year.
http://richnigerianpharmacists.com/south-african-tiger-brand-loses-82-billion-to-dangote-business-lessons/

How is a company that is in the process of bottoming out rapeing our economy?

I thought you were an accountant.

agaugust:
Yes, all those who fought Nigeria avoided air to air combat because they fear NAF's air power, so the dare not challenge us the way Cuban teenage pilots challenged SAAF.

The source you posted showed MiG-23 shot down my ground based anti-aircraft missiles, I SAID SAAF NEVER SHOT DOWN ANY CUBAN MIG-23 JET IN AIR TO AIR COMBAT you dummy ! Can't you use your head? Domingo !

SAAF has NO air force ace pilots, you ran away from Cuban teenage pilots in MiG-23 jets, your Mirage F1s were hiding at their airbases

SAAF only succeeded in using jets to chase slow helicopters around, and you call that air force air power or an ace pilot?

One NAF F-7 jet pilot will shoot down all your 10 Rooivalks in 10 minutes.

You don't have ANY air to air combat experience jet vs jet of same generation in SAAF....you are at the same level with Nigeria, while NAF beats SAAF in air to ground attack combat with jets or attack helicopters flying thousands of NAF combat sorties, while SAAF Gripens, Hawks, and Rooivalks are redundant with ZERO war experience !
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go look up Maj. Johan Rankin with regards to SAAF air to air mig kills. I am not here to educate you.

Augustus, Nigeria has never faced an enemy with a modern airforce, you have never deployed in a hostile airspace

The only time Nigeria faced an enemy with an airforce was Biafra - who humiliated your airforce and destroyed multiple migs with their civilian cessans

SAAF has allmost 60 Aces since WW1

Combat experience is not as important as training, and we train far more than you.

agaugust:
Nigeria produces weapons/equipment domestically from body armour, night vision goggles, to rifles, to heavy machine guns, to mortars, to APCs, LAVs with twin 23mm cannon, Drones/UAV, rocket pods, etc. Enough to fight as a mechanized infantry
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Who says you build NV equipment? HMG's? LAV's? 23mm?

More mythical weapons?

Prove it or GTFO

agaugust:
The fact that I said its a 16 page PDF proves I read it.

It's nothing but a piece of paper until backed up by physical cash.

Same way SANDF was boasting about buying A400M Airbus super lift aircraft, and even made part payment, then could not raise the balance cash and your penniless broke air force had to cancel the contract and abandon hope of ever buying A400M aircraft forever.

I work in defense industry so I don't follow paper list of wishful weapons purchases unless the government has released cash for it.

PDF file papers and budget papers are not cash that buys you weapons....you need real money...SANDF has NO NO NO MONEY for weapons purchase, stop fooling yourself with paper documents, it won't even buy you bananas
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SANDF pulled out of A400M because of project delays and cost over-runs - this is fact

You dont work in the defence industry

National budgets are as concrete as it gets.

You are wasting our time here.

agaugust:
Unite? Not while Zulu blacks are still murdering and Ráping your white citizens 24/7
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Off topic post

agaugust:
You posted a wish-list and a daydream of hopes, not reality.

I too can sit at home and write list of BMW, Bently, Benz, Range Rover, Lexus that I will buy 2015-2016...but do I have all that cash ready?

Web link source is NOT = cash

PDF file is 16 pages of paper story and NOT = money

#ShowUsSANDFcashForWeapons !
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So you are saying that announced public projects, which have money allocated, are a wish list? So you are saying that when the minister of finance literally says "We are buying X, Y and Z" its a wish list?

Your jealousy and butthurt is so plainly obvious in your post.

Dude, you are wasting everyones time here.

#WeHaveShownYouSANDFMoney

agaugust:
F-7 and Gripen both have short range missiles. Come back for review when your Gripens have beyond visual range missiles
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Come back when you have proven that both will destroy each other in close combat

If this was so, everyone would still by flying F-7 Phantoms.

agaugust:
That's money for paying salaries to SANDF troops, pension to retired soldiers/veterans, plenty anti-retroviral HIV drugs for your HIV crippled 30 battalions of soldiers, and loan interest repayment for submarine bank loan debt.

SANDF is choking to death for lack of funds, your military is in financial crisis
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Why are you still trying to argue?

Those projects were announced IN THE BUDGET SPEECH

You really have nothing more to offer this thread, other than childishness and petulance, I suggest you leave.

agaugust:
we both die together in the air battle. FACT
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You keep claiming this but have never proven it.

Our jet performs better and our missile performs better, both are also more advanced - you dont stand a chance

agaugust:
You CANNOT buy military satellite and escape United Nations arms log registration, both buyer and seller will be in violation of legally binding UN Convention on arms transfer.

South Africa has no space satellite until confirmed by the Russians who manufacture it. Then Kondor-E is an ordinary satellite not a spy satellite.....Russian sources proved the specifications.

Dream on bro , hallucinations are free if charge, even street beggars have them
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Kondor-E is a civilian built military satellite

Its launch and our ownership of it has been proven.

Deal with it.

agaugust:
Show us proof of money released, you have no money for new weapons, cannot even afford one single Mokopa ATGM....SANDF is broke long term....your military under a self imposed arms embargo....cashless and penniless
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lol, this was announced under the SANDF budget you id1ot

agaugust:
South Africans are still the räpe masters, and murder champions of Africa. No controversy.
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Yet we arent subject to the same visa restrictions nigerians are

agaugust:
Yes, and my complaint is valid until you show us evidence that South Africa is issuing asylum papers to Nigerians instead of normal immigrant visas. You made claims without any evidence to prove it, that's bad quality for this thread. Fraudster !
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You have about 30-40 of your own claims to prove first

agaugust:
Your justice system has not reformed any criminal, your ràpists continue to ràpe the more, while your murders continue to murder beyond control.

South African people are deformed beyond any reformation
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Post on topic

Post facts

You are destroying this thread.

agaugust:
You need someone to give you citation on how Britain failed to defeat IRA terrorists on British soil for 27 years? Lol...see why I said Hyundai Heavy Industries will never employ a retaard like you and make you an expatriate worker in South Korea

Britain defeated the IRA you clown

Now show us a citation that proves Lagos is Safer than New York

agaugust:
Dangote is azz räping South African economy he removed 1 billion Rands from the pockets of your brainless corporate executives and BEE sponsored incompetent shareholders....Dangote sallowed your billion rands and you are crying unable to do anything.....foolish nation
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Says who? where do you get this information?

Also: Post on topic

agaugust:
Reminder: No single South African pilot has ever used your current Gripen and Hawk jets to sh.oot down a single enemy aircraft. Your pilots are even not combat qualified to use Gripen jet in war. Ancient Mirage jets of Angloan war got SAAF defeated by teenage Cuban pilots, you never shot d.own Cuban MiG-23 jets air to air.

SAAF has no aces by world standard, Gripen jet ace, whom did he shoot down with a Gripen.... Kenya Airways 747 ?
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Why do we need to fly the Gripen in combat when we have generations of experience passed down from one pilot to the next?

Where does it say our pilots are not combat qualified?

SAAF was defeated in Angola? Who says that?

We shot down plenty Mig-23's - go look up Maj. Johan Rankin
http://www.acig.info/CMS/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=131&Itemid=62

SAAF has over 60 Aces in its history.

The real fact of the matter is this: In its entire history, no Nigerian pilot has ever been involved in air to air combat.

agaugust:
If we remove the key European made imported Gripen jet, Hawk jet, Valour Frigate, Heroine Submarine from SANDF aresenal, Angola will defeat South Africa in one day.

Your DENEL home made weapons can only save you from Burundi and Swaziland
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And so?

IF we remove your imported weapons you will have exactly zero weapons.

What is your point?

agaugust:
No, it's the South African professionals and executives of Shoprite, MTN, SASOL, and Stanbic Bank that have fled South Africa for a better life in Nigeria
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Factually speaking it is X55 better to live in South Africa

Thus, one can conclude that your statement above is nothing more than a petty jape.