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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:44pm On Feb 25, 2015
Henry120:
Secondly, your government forces a fraudulent criminal policy on companies to hire black staffs not based on merit but on a mandatory quota system.
I refer you to the following:

Henry120:
So, in your opinion, it is perfectly okay to disenfranchise 80% of the population.

Spoken like a true "botha".
Congratulations, your blind hate for South Africa has led you to directly contradict your own argument in the space of a few hours.

You need to start taking your meds again.
Foreign AffairsRe: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 4:39pm On Feb 25, 2015

Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:24pm On Feb 25, 2015
agaugust:
BH Gwoza video is propaganda because the same faces that acted drama as Nigerian soldiers running from Bokos, were also shown few minutes later in the same video rejoicing with Boko Haram fighters inside their vehicles shouting Allah Akbar !

We Nigerians are intelligent discerners of what evidence or claim is shown to us, but you South Africans are so m.entally under-developed you depend on ANC law to force companies to employ you under BEE for jobs your weak brains cannot handle
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Prove your claims with pictures please

grin grin grin
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:24pm On Feb 25, 2015
agaugust:
Show us photo of Boko Haram killed by Chad in that city and the Boko weapons/vehicles they captured.

Nigeria has been proving it's own military achievements with photos and videos including armed drones plus helicopter gunship kills.

http://www.newsfetchers.com/2015/02/photos-nigerian-military-kill-300-boko.html

Chadian air force last week jet bombed and massacred 30 innocent civilians inside Niger Republique at a funeral, even the dead body inside the coffin was killed a second time.

If Chad fights Nigeria, they will actually be bombing their own army while we watch and laugh gringrin

Well, at least Chad has more battle experience than South African military, they stayed behind in C.A.R Bangui after SANDF ran away. Seleka rebels had no courage to attack Chad, but they attacked the weaker South African cowards, Seleka simply ranked SANDF below Chadian ragtag army that has no bullet proof vest gringrin
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Chad has proven to be a better fighting force

They have done what your army cannot inside of your own country

Also, Chad stayed and Seleka did not attack them as Chad was a pro-Seleka player in the region
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2013/12/chad-troops-car-accused-pro-seleka-bias-201312261218569193.html
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:21pm On Feb 25, 2015
agaugust:
ANC government forces ALL South African companies controlled by white-men to employ black South Africans who have ZERO experience and also ZERO entrepreneural skills into management and board positions under a law called BEE....Black Economic Empowerment, it forces ALL affected South African companies against their wish to employ incompetent and half-brained Soweto retaarded black workers into big positions and pay them fat salaries which has killed the profitability of many South African companies and some have collapsed.

I have a South African man here with me now who tells me all the secrets of your rotten ANC prison yard, you think you can fool us with manipulated internet illustrations?

BEE....Black Economic Empowerment law of ANC government South Africa = Black Employment to jobs they don't qualify for....Employed by force of new ANC law.....in a normal professionally competitive aptitude test like GMAT/GRE and oral interview by HR recruitment experts like Accenture, ALL SOUTH AFRICAN BLACKS WILL FAIL THE STANDARD UNBIASED EMPLOYMENT TEST !

It is called the Fool's Gold tongue tongue tongue

http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21576655-black-economic-empowerment-has-not-worked-well-nor-will-it-end-soon-fools-gold

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So one Nigerian says that not enough black south africans are employed by corporate south africa

and another says too many are employed?

Now they are essentially arguing with each other!

FYI Positive Discrimination is in place in the majority of heterogeneous societies in the world.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:08pm On Feb 25, 2015
I call on @Henry120 to stop making off-topic posts and apologize
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:06pm On Feb 25, 2015
Henry120:
Proof the mokopa is in SAAF service.
Now apologize

Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:04pm On Feb 25, 2015
Henry120:
So, in your opinion, it is perfectly okay to disenfranchise 80% of the population.

Spoken like a true "botha".
Where did I say that?

Why are you putting words in my mouth?

Answer my question - how is demographics relevant in a discussion based on nationality?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:00pm On Feb 25, 2015
Henry120:
Let us see their Engineers, just post their pictures.
Sure.

Right after you post citations to substantiate what you are claiming.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:59am On Feb 25, 2015
Henry120:
I'm not turning any discussion into race, i'm only stating your demographics.
How is race or demographics relevant to a discussion based on nationalism?

Do demographics change ones citizenship?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:58am On Feb 25, 2015
Henry120:
F-22's, F-35's, T-50's are in service with the NAF, we simply don't keep them in any storage.
Got any photographic evidence of them being operated by the NAF?

I can show you the Mokopa being used by the SAAF

Now, stop running away - be a man - apologize for making such basless accusations.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:57am On Feb 25, 2015
Henry120:
Yeah, the raimbow nation where,

7% minority population own 80% of the land,
100% of the defence industry,
And 85% of the economy.


Nigerians aren't jealous, at least I can say for me, the racists here are you south-africans on this thread who want these status quo to remain as they are.

You guys are the true racists.
O look more made up facts and figures.

Gee thanks so much, enjoy your life in your failed state.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:56am On Feb 25, 2015
Henry120:
The Israelis downloaded the contents, and returned the chip.

Simple.
According to who?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:56am On Feb 25, 2015
Henry120:
When 79% of the population aren't part of the manufacturer, it does change the origin of the weapons.

We can confidently say, the weapons are made in Afrikanner republic.
Still desperately trying?

Its made in South Africa.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:55am On Feb 25, 2015
Henry120:
The Army is currently been adequately supplied.
Frontline troops have consistently complained that they lack the weapons and other supplies needed to face Boko Haram in insurgent strongholds.
http://mg.co.za/article/2014-12-18-nigerian-soldiers-sentenced-to-death-for-refusing-to-fight-boko-haram


Nigerian military disorganized, under-equipped in battle against Boko Haram. Often the Nigerian soldiers are given only 60 bullets each, so they quickly run out. Boko Haram, he says, has large supplies of ammunition and more fighters. Army medics refused to pay the $200 for medicine to treat his [wounded soldier] injuries. Morale in the army is sinking, he says. The soldiers don't ever benefit from the billions allocated to the defense budget, he explains. He even had to buy his own uniform.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/15/africa/nigeria-military-families-boko-haram/
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:51am On Feb 25, 2015
Henry120:
The Israelis downloaded the content of the chips, returned it back to South-Africa, and got back their lone agent.
Where does it say this?

Did the voices in your head tell you this?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:40am On Feb 25, 2015
Henry120:
Nope, not according to the Aljazeera cable. The Israelis got their Agent back. 2 people were arrested, one of them was a mossad agent.

You busted 1 guy, nothing to go cum ba ya over.
We broke up a Mossad operation before it could be completed - FACT

We captured a Mossad agent - FACT

Isreal returned stolen property - FACT

You clowns cant even sneak $9 million past our customs officers cheesy
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:39am On Feb 25, 2015
Henry120:
Don't be naive, they returned the blueprints and chips after they were done sending it's content to Tel aviv.

Yet, they still got their agent back.
What evidence do you have to support these claims?

As usual you are making things up.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:37am On Feb 25, 2015
Henry120:
Fact whether you want to run away from it or not is,

That industry was built by the french, Israelis and british,

It is 100% white,

Afrikanner lead,

and fully represents the remnants of the Apartheid regime.
1. Citation needed for who built it

2. Citation needed for 100% white

3. Citation needed for Afrikaaner led

4. Citation needed for how modern weapons systems are in any way related to a Government that ceased to exist 21 years ago

You are truly desperate now. You have yet again resorted to making bold claims with no proof to substantiate it. Yet again, you cover Nigerias failure to develop anything resembling an Arms industry by (as usual) blaming it on Racist Whites

Gentle reminder, Denel (the biggest defence firm in Africa) has a BEE rating of 86%, is led by a Black Government, its CEO is a man of colour and the majority of its board are non-white
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:30am On Feb 25, 2015
Henry120:
Don't you get worried that there are virtually no black people in your defence industry?

People who make 79% of the entire population are conspicuously missing in action in your defence industry.
First - why is race relevant? The discussion is not about race, it is about nationality

Second - why are you so desperate to turn the discussion to race? Are you a man whom sees race first and individuality second?

Third - what citations can you provide to support your claims?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:24am On Feb 25, 2015
Henry120:
Did you apologise for saying Nigeria has no T-72 tanks despite providing you with this photo evidence?

Did you apologise for lying about mokopa ATM in SAAF service, despite Janes defence saying you don't have them?
At the time, there was no evidence that Nigeria had any T-72 tanks

The Mokopa is in service with the SAAF. We simply dont keep any in storage.

See, I have room to argue. You dont - you made 100% baseless accusations and I called you out with undeniable proof.

Now, be a man, apologize.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:22am On Feb 25, 2015
EVarn:
uncle sam will stop you by all means,using either sanctions or war.
can you eat uranium,phosphorus,sulphur?.because when sanctions start biting,there wont be food for you,even pap.
Unlike Nigeria, South Africa is a net food EXPORTER
http://www.southafrica.info/business/economy/sectors/agricultural-sector.htm#.VO2iQfmUeSo

We grow more food than we can eat. Just because you clowns cant figure out how to farm, doesnt mean that we havent either
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:24pm On Feb 24, 2015
Henry120:
The all white apartheid defence industry. Yeah, congrats.
The South African defence industry

Apartheid ended 21 years ago... how old are these weapons?

You know... you are basically being racist AGAINST black people... right? huh
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:21pm On Feb 24, 2015
Henry120:
So, you are only just signing mbombe contract with jordan?

Patches689, Patchesagain......... one of your lies has been BUSTED
In 2014 Jordan ordered 50 of these armored vehicles. Kazakhstan ordered a number of these armored vehicles, known as Barys. Since 2015 these will be locally built in Kazakhstan.
http://www.military-today.com/apc/mbombe.htm

11 May 2014
A Jordanian Armed Forces (JAF) order for 50 Mbombe infantry combat vehicles was announced during the SOFEX show in Amman

http://www.janes.com/article/37769/sofex-2014-jordan-orders-mbombe-armoured-vehicles

Maybe if you read the citations I post you would not end up humiliating yourself in such grand-fashion by making false accusations.

Now - apologize cool
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:46pm On Feb 22, 2015
Henry120:
The Patria IFV's were delivered to South-Africa for evaluation purposes only. The link refers to that.


No Patria IFV's in SANDF service yet, this is a statistical fact.


The Olifant tank is only comparable to the T-35, Tiger and the U.S Army M-24 Tank, all of the same era.

As you can see, all of the pictures are in black and white colour, excerpt for the centurion in the museum, and of course SANDF active main battle tank.
Again, you show your lack of understanding.

The Olifant Mk 1 is not the same as the Centurion, only the gun and hull are the same. The Mk1 (in your photo) is now in reserve, just like Isreal has Centurions in reserve.


The Olifant Mk 2 is not the same as the Mk 1, only the gun and the hull are the same. The Mk2 is comparable to the T-72 in every way except gun-bore

And furthermore, about the MK2

This is claimed to be a state-of-the-art MBT turret featuring hunter-killer, fire-on-the-move and day/night target engagement capabilities.

The turret is also fitted with a full solution fire-control system with automatic sensors for meteorological parameters and dynamic tilt together with a state-of-the-art gun and turret drive system. According to LIW, the turret has a high hit probability when the vehicle or the target is moving or stationary.

In a typical target engagement the target would first be acquired by the tank commander who would then hand over the target to the gunner. The tank commander would then start to search for another target to be engaged.

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product894.html

Does that sound like a WW2 tank to you?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:40pm On Feb 22, 2015
Henry120:
The Patria IFV's were delivered to South-Africa for evaluation purposes only. The link refers to that.
Where does it say that?

It says that 6 were delivered.

Thus six are in service.

Argument over.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:39pm On Feb 22, 2015
Henry120:
You especially told a lot of lies.


Let me get this straight. As soon as SA Navy got 3 brand new Subs, you immediately 1 of them into repair for 7 years?

So you were conned, you got probably 4th hand sub's for brand new price.

This is why I have consistently called on your government to "Scrap" the SANDF. You only need a police force in S.A.


So because your A109's are modern, that's why your fleet is always grounded, while those in Nigeria are always in the Air.

So this your fleet of "modern" A109's are designed in such a way that they don't fly, but to only stay parked in hangar.

Wow!!!!


In Nigeria we have a Freedom of Information Law. Your right to free speech is enshrined in the Nigerian constitution.


Nigeria's attack Helicopter fleet is 54. 48 MI-35P/M/24V and 6 Gazzelle Helicopters. I didn't add 12 MI-17 terminator1SH helicopters.


NAF super-Puma's are armed, I did not refer to them as attack Helicopters. Although the can as well perform attack duties.

While you have 10 Helicopters for 1.2 million square KM.


Yes, you have 18 Gripen Air-crew. 9 pilots and 9 navigators for 26 planes. Pathetic!!!
Nope, we decided to change equipment and upgrade other equipment. We chose to do it ourselves so it took longer than normal. During that time we still had 2 submarines operational - which is something you could only dream of.

Who said it is allways grounded? There have only been two groundings, once pending the outcome of an air-crash investigation, and once again when paperwork regarding maintenance got messed up. The fact that they are more modern and advanced means that they require more maintenance.

Nigeria does not have a free press - infact, your press is one of the most censored and constricted in the world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Freedom_Index


Again, your helicopters numbers are bloated and based on rumors. You only have one Gazelle. Factually speaking you have only received a handfull of hinds and others.

Again, we have a better ratio of helicopters to men than you do and helicopter needs are not based on land mass.

Finally, can you prove that we have only 9 pilots and 9 navigators? No? So why are you lieing? Why have you resorted to such pathetic trolling?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:04pm On Feb 22, 2015
Henry120:
First of, you have no Patria IFV's in service. Until you have one, we can have this debate.


Up-grading 2 1940's tank doesn't change anything in a fleet of 200.

no matter how much lipstick you put on a turd, it's still a turd.

The Olifant is a Centurion tank. It was launched in 1946, 1 year after world war 2 ended. Your Olifant tank was produced when Winston Churchill was the Prime-minister of Britain.


Boy....... that's a museum piece, a real life dinosaur.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centurion_tank#/media/File:Centurion_cfb_borden_1.JPG
Badger is in service:

“Denel Land Systems and Patria have signed an agreement regarding Patria AMV 8×8 armoured wheeled vehicle serial production and delivery to South Africa. The agreement includes 238 vehicles, out of which 5 pre-series vehicles have already been delivered during the development phase"
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/denel-patria-building-south-africas-next-ifv-03317/

Again, the only thing the Olifant has in common with the Centurion is the hull, and even that has more armor on it. It is effectively a completely different tank.

The Olifant Mk2 is comparable in every way to your T-72, as I have shown with citations.

Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:59pm On Feb 22, 2015
Henry120:
NNS Aradu at Nigeria's fleet review in 2011



4 corvettes

NNS Dorina
NNS Eyimiri (participated in exercises with the chinese fleet last year).
NNS otobo
NNS Erinomi

Missile crafts

NNS Ayam
NNS Siri
NNS Ekpe
NNS Zaria
NNS yola
NNS Eku

All represents fleet that can adequately defend Nigeria against outside Aggression.

With the Ability to quickly turn NNS Thunder, NNS Okpabana to additional frigates, and NNS Centenary and NNS unity to additional corvettes.


The fact that the Nigerian Navy is functional and adequately prepared to counter outside Aggression isn't in doubt.

This Navy is backed by over 300 additional crafts, 10 Helicopters and 2 ELINT compliant surveillance assets.
Yes, we know their names, but here is their status:

Nigerian Navy:

1 Frigate
-Aradu un-operational since 2007

4 Corvettes (only 2 operational at this time)
- NNS ENYIMIRI nonoperational since 1999
- NNS ERINOMI nonoperational since 1999
- NNS Okpabana - 48 year old, stripped of any usefull equipment by the americans
- NNS Thunder - 49 year old, stripped of any usefull equipment by the americans



6 Missile Craft (only 2 operational at this time)
- NNS EKPE, NNS DAMISA, NNS AGU, NNS EKU have not been operational since 1999

Your picture of Aradu proves only that it floats, likely it was towed there by a tug

And no, Nigeria's coast gaurd has no warfighting ability at all - your Frigate is non operational, and your two missile armed strike craft are non operational.

And you have no ability to weaponize the Cutters, while the re-fit of your OPV's is no small task and there is no evidence to suggest that the OPV has any of the necessary radar or other equipment to fire missiles.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:54pm On Feb 22, 2015
Henry120:
1) you begged the French for safe passage. Reuters and the UN Agency on the ground confirms this.

2) you deployed none of those, probably in your dreams, but in actual reality the SANDF did not deploy any.

3) yes, it is a conflict, not a game of cricket. It didn't stop Seleka from brushing you aside and taking the capital the next day though.
1. Citations have shown, Seleka signed a cease-fire, and the local AFRICAN peacekeeping force provided transport to the airport.

2. Citations have shown we did deploy gripen, rooivalk, c130s and a battalion of men
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30633:rooivalks-gripens-and-troops-were-sent-to-the-car&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

3. 200 mean stopped 4000 men dead in their tracks for two days. Our job was never to hold or defend the capital.

You should not be one to talk, considering that Boko Haram has carved a country the size of Belgium out of Nigeria.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:54am On Feb 22, 2015
Henry120:
Our Navy is geared towards functionality and the protection of Nigeria.
Your coast guard is geared towards law enforcement

You have no navy.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:53am On Feb 22, 2015
Henry120:
You have no Patria in service.
citations have been posted many times.

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