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AugustineAgain: Show a source that says they are worse. I don't need your private opinion

90% of the countries in the world DO NOT use dedicated combat helicopters, that proves my own point
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90% of the countries in the world are too poor to afford dedicated attack helicopters

AugustineAgain: Easy, use of Cluster b.ombs with one single bomb spreading 500 b.omblets covering an entire area of 10 kilometer square directly above the ship and all around it.

There will be no escape for your Frigate from the hands of a NAF maritime Alpha jet Wide Area Cluster Bomber.
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You dont have clusterbombs

and no clusterbombs have a 10km spread - that is goddamn ludicrous

Also, to my knowledge, clusterbombs are now banned

AugustineAgain: Try rescue your Rhinos at home first...

https://www.africa-wildlife-detective.com/images/rhino-poaching-3.jpg

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Try rescue your country first

AugustineAgain: We have Lynx anti-submarine helicopters in reserve

Also, your submarine is diesel electric, so it must snorkel to get air and recharge it's battery every 48 hours or else it will sink dead, it becomes vulnerable to ATR-42 Surveyor 330km radar detection and it can call in Maritime version Alpha jets for rocket attack...your submarine is TOTALLY defenceless against air attacks
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First, the chances of your plane detecting a snorkel unless it is just a few KM's away is ludicrous - a needle within a forest of haystacks
Second, when you send in a strike the Valour Class will detect it and dive deep - safe as can be
Third, your Lynx is non-operational and completely outdated, not a threat at all.

AugustineAgain: Yes !

Try prove me wrong if you can...I dare you !
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First you need to say how they will engage it

AugustineAgain: Mi-35 Hinds have chaff and flare counter-measures to waste your hand held Starstreak missiles.

Easy, NAF helicopters can fly at 3km altitude and be laughing at your 1km maximum altitude 'modern' Starstreak missiles that is as good as a catapult made of wood from Iroko tree

Your modern jets are poorly armed, South Africa has NO SINGLE air to ground missile.

Your laser guided bombs and missiles will have their laser system jammed by our APCs smoke dispensers and T-84 has Optronics laser jammer.

Your snail speed guided bombs will be sh.ot down by ordinary anti-aircraft guns.

SAAF barks more than it can bite.....toothless bulldog
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Mi-35 Hinds have chaff and flare counter-measures to waste your hand held Starstreak missiles.

Then you clearly have no idea how Starstreak works.

You no longer steer the missile into the target. You just point the big massive screen in that image in the vague direction of the target, Starstreak does the rest. Thus far it's been ruthlessly accurate against differing targets in test shots.

Being able to attack land targets, being capable of mounting multiple forms of missiles and for being virtually impossible (if not completely immune in 99% of cases) to being jammed or deflected in any way, because the missile doesn't give a sh1t for your flares or chaff, it isn't tracking them.

You must be mistaking Starstreak for something that isn't the rapetastic system that it is.

-Immune to countermeasures
-Triple warhead spread
-Tri-launchers for rapid firing without reloading
-WTF levels of acceleration to catch anything thinking it'll get away with a pop up or flyover attack
-No lock on time needed
-Assisted guidance so precision isn't needed by the operator, only a vague direction
-Designed to be able to rape anything up to an IFV on the ground as well without any modification needed
-Designed to be able to mount new Light Multirole Guided MIssile in the same tube for multi-target engagement on land, air and precise surface

Easy, NAF helicopters can fly at 3km altitude and be laughing at your 1km maximum altitude 'modern' Starstreak missiles that is as good as a catapult made of wood from Iroko tree

you have no weapons you can deploy from that Altitude. So they are useless up there. And sitting ducks for Gripen and Hawks

Your modern jets are poorly armed, South Africa has NO SINGLE air to ground missile.

Dont need them - we have JDAMS

Your laser guided bombs and missiles will have their laser system jammed by our APCs smoke dispensers and T-84 has Optronics laser jammer.

Only the T-84 has laser warning, and you dont actually have any.

So there goes that argument

Your snail speed guided bombs will be sh.ot down by ordinary anti-aircraft guns.

You keep saying that - but you have been unable to find a single instance in the last 20 years of a single JDAM being shot down.

SAAF barks more than it can bite.....toothless bulldog

Which makes the NAF a Chihuahua with down-syndrome

AugustineAgain: Could extend is NOT Will extend, learn to read and understand.

Gulf of Guinea includes Gabon and other Central African countries.

Come back and talk to us when you have a 100% proof that it will include West Africa, now run along like a lame duck

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Fact is, we will now be patrolling both the Indian and Atlantic

And the coasts of 4 different nations

That is force projection you could not dream of

AugustineAgain: Citation proof for that claim please...
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Consult: Every war the T-72 has ever fought in.

T-72 is an absolute peice of sh1t, in every way shape and form

I would choose an Olifant Mk1 over a T-72

AugustineAgain: The report was from Ukrainian Tv news and I post the video here for you, the T-72 tank upgrade company manager said the tanks are going to Nigeria Africa. The website that copied the story interpreted it all into English.

Nigeria had T-72 tanks in the hundreds for many years kept secret, so secret that even SIPRI could not know it, now sent to Ukraine for full upgrade with Self Protection against anti-tank missiles.....you asked for our T-72 now we show you live videos....Expect Su-30 Flankers of NAF + JF-17 Thunders....watch this space !



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3F_XH_Lhrw

English translation below and also photo screenshot of translated page.


"Lviv T-72 in Nigeria
25.09.2014
The report Ukrainian TV channel "Gromadska Telebachennya" with GP "Lviv armored repair plant" showed up the next recipient of T-72 tanks from Ukraine - Nigeria. In the television report said that the plant is implementing a contract for the supply of tanks in Nigeria.
As you can tell, this is the T-72A or B, equipped with accessories dynamic protection 4S20.
In the courtyard there are four businesses ready to send to Nigeria tank, and representatives of the plant say that "the desire to be the Ministry of Defence, then tomorrow would be sent to Nigeria in the area of ATU."
Until now in the public domain information on the purchase of Nigeria in Ukraine the presence of T-72 tanks were absent.
Tanks T-72, the last repair on SE "Lviv armored repair plant" and intended for delivery to Nigeria. Lviv, 09.12.2014 (c) frame from the reporting channel " Gromadska Telebachennya " T-72 tanks, the last repair on SE "Lviv armored repair plant" and intended for delivery to Nigeria. Lviv, 09.12.2014 (c) frame from the reporting channel " Gromadska Telebachennya " Report."

[size=16pt]Anybody still doubting Nigerian army T-72 tanks is a born fool !

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Hundreds?

Lol. what a clown

AugustineAgain: Janes is not free, you pay suscription, so lets us use your credit card.

SIPRI updates only one a year, every April.

The only sources you get now will be general news media.

SIPRI that you are hungry for will be a shock and agony for you in April 2015 because it will be fully over-loaded with long list of new modern weapons purchased by Nigeria, weapons that South Africa is still praying and fasting to buy in 2030
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So you admit you have no proof?

You admit that it is all BS rumors started by click-bait Beegeagles rumor-mill blog?

AugustineAgain: They ships were NOT bought, that proves you are lying, they are free gift second hand German navy over-used useless Minesweepers

Show us source that you bought the for reserve....when you actually had none in service for your navy to use

See your junk rust bucket German navy hand me down rust buckets of ancient configuration......
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Ok, so a free gift

And we should turn it down? Ever heard the saying "never look a gift horse in the mouth"?

And we have minsweeps in service still today - so there goes your argument

AugustineAgain: You saw my shadow in Soweto?

I hear you were posting from a farmers hut oustide Abuja

AugustineAgain: You should have fired one torpedo and see the NATO response your submarine will get. You think your navy can fight same NATO that sold the submarine to you? They will render your submarine useless with anti-torpedo decoys and sink it with counter attack ASW weapons
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Blah blah blah

Facts are facts

We sunk their task-force

AugustineAgain: We have 660 artillery guns, you have 120. We have almost 500 tanks, you have 250, we have 30 + 40 = 70 combat helicopters, you have only 10, we have 300 navy inshore/midshore fast vessels, you have only 20.

So who has been doing major arms deals ? Nigeria or South Africa?
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We have 660 artillery guns, you have 120.

And our 120 are better, individually, tactically and strategically than all your guns

We have almost 500 tanks, you have 250,

250 which are better in every way

and you only actually have around 150 tanks - so you have less than us

we have 30 + 40 = 70

The majority of which are transports

All of which are obsolete

300 navy inshore/midshore fast vessels, you have only 20.

We have 4 Frigates
You have 1

We have 3 submarines
You have none

We have 26 4th gen fighters
You have none

Etc
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AugustineAgain: Nope, Beegeagle is known by the Nigerian military, the navy officially partners with him on anti-piracy campaign with an open letter
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So he is a propaganda mouth-peice?

Unheard of in the international community?

NaijaPikinGidi: Even Togo is preparing and training hard for war! The question is: which war are they preparing for? People that couldn't do CAR and M23 alone want to go to war anywhere in Africa? All of this noise is good for the news channels and media! They know they cannot muster men and resources to fight any war.

No cause for alarm abegii!!

Irony is that of all sub-saharan countries

South Africa has fought the most and the biggest conventional wars

AugustineAgain: [size=14pt] South African army to be under command of Uganda.

As African Union still cannot trust SANDF to fight war alone due to poor war record....

Adds Liberian army to list of SANDF's next leaders .

South Africa accepts offer in desperation to gain a little experience of combat which it does not have.

AU concerned for inexperienced SANDF's safety, adds superior Algeria to the leadership list.

www.sabreakingnews.co.za/2014/09/26/sandf-prepares-for-war/

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No mention of leadership

And since we are the ones leading the formation of the Unit, and the fact that it is one of Jacob Zuma's presidential legacy projects (like the nuke deal) its pretty obvious who will be in charge

Henry120: Keep up with this current rhetoric in your fantasy land, let it get to a diplomatic level, and see our diplomats change things for you, so quickly.

Our diplomats are better than yours

Hence why we get invited to things like the Syrian Peace-Talks

AugustineAgain: [size=14pt] Post clear source of Rooivalk weapons payload kilograms and weapon option types....I will reply with Mi-35M superiority and we settle this argument forever....it will be Epic !

I challenge EVERY South African on Rooivalk Vs Mi-35M Hind E !
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Rooivalk payload is 2000 kg
http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1994/1994%20-%202293.PDF

agaugust: Proof is that people who know these weapons say them face to face, that is proof, seeing is believing.

Fact that you have never seen Yvonne Chaka Chaka's NNIPPLES does not mean she does not have two units, another man has been seeing them under her clothes and he is a reliable source.

Super Tucano was sighted this year around April-May, SIPRI compiles January to March and published update in April. It will miss Tucano.

T-72 is about to be unleashed in North East war together with BM-30 Smerch 90km long range artillery, I have not posted that yet, people have seen T-72 in Nigeria this month. Slowly we will unleash and photos will follow....Nigeria is building Africa's best army now !

Dis you every see Nigeria's old SA-7 missiles and Type 90 AAA artillery on SIPRI ?

Fool, SIPRI is your lord, no wonder the Boer White-man calls you coloureds Dog-Food
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- Relies on SIPRI when it suits him
- Says its inacurate when it suits him

#FundimentalContradictions

agaugust: Fool, Liar

Nigerian army's new T-84 tanks has powerful combination of 3 different armours, Steel, Composite, ERA. All on one k.iller tank !

Enjoy proof of Nigeria's T-84 tank Composite armour, we will mass R.ape South African army with our Voltron Defender of the universe

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"Any [Nigerian] can edit wiki"

Show us proof

agaugust: [size=14pt]No way ignorant bush man !

Now I know South Africa does NOT have any tank like Nigeria's modern T-84 Oplot.

Our new tank CANNOT be penetrated by any weapon or missile in Africa !

Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA) is out-dated when used alone....

Nigeria's T-84 Oplot has 3 different types of armour combination.


1. Composite multi-layer armour
2. ERA armour
3. Rolled Steel

All three types of armour built into one single Nigerian army tank ! Wow ! Best tank in Africa !


You just wasted your time writing a useless analysis of South African anti-tank missiles Ingwe and Mokopa or Milan that CANNOT penetrate modern day Multi-Layer Composite armour of Nigerian T-84

Your missiles are built to penetrate only ERA...Explosive Reactive Armour....Reactive armour, but unfortunately for SANDF our new Naija super tank has multi-layer Composite Non-Reactive armour on all vital areas....Passive armour multi-layers is on Nigerian army's mighty T-84 tank o ! Yeeeeeh !! South African army is finished ooooo !!

South African anti-tank missiles have failed, your army in now defenseless against the onslaught of Nigerian army T-84 ultra-modern tanks.

Gripen jet bombs CANNOT penetrate our T-84 tank o !

Nigerian army T-84 has composite impenetrable armour, and more than that....

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While you are behaving like a clown

let me remind you:

1. You dont actually have the T-84
2. It doesnt have composite armor - layered =/= composite
3. Yes, 227kg of high-explosive JDAM will annihilate it
4. Cant defend against the milimeter-band seeker on the Makopa
5. Cant defend against short range attacks from Ingwe or Milan (no reaction time for the crew) - we like to fight close when we fight tanks, just ask the Cubans

Rest of your post is irrelevant pea-cocking from a small child. Those systems are reliant on the skills of the operator, and Nigeria has no tank battle experience - so according to your own argument Nigeria will be unable to use it properly

agaugust: Bwahahaha

Illiterate mugu, SIPRI cannot post any of the new Nigerian weapons, or do you see our BigFoot MRAP on SIPRI database? No ! SIPRI database is updated only once a year around Spring Season which is April .

You will not see Nigeria's new Super Tucano, JF-17 Thunder, Su-30 Flanker, Mi-35M Hind E, T-84 Oplot, T-72, BM-30 Smerch on SIPRI arms transfer database until April 2015 next year.....Fool of Gauteng
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lol no we wont

You say Nigeria had Tucano's and T-72's last year - and yet it does not show up on SIPRI

in anycase would a responsible person not wait until they can prove they have what they say they have?

agaugust: Whatever it is IFV or whatever, it is almost another Rooivalk failure...rejected by SANDF because they cannot afford it
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Mbombe has allready been sold to other nations jackass

agaugust: Weapons and Equipment displayed at arms manufacturers marketing show are NOT in the arsenal of SANDF.

Example is your Mbombe MRAP, we see photos of it, but SANDF refused to buy.

Arms Producers' Marketing Show =/= Army Armoury

SANDF is busy retrenching soldiers, and postponing ALL weapons/equipment purchases.

ONLY NIGERIAN MILITARY IS BUYING WEAPONS NOW

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Denel is state owned.

Everything Denel makes

Everything any comapany Denel owns makes

Belongs to the state

And yes, we havent bought the Mbombe... yet

agaugust: #SANDF IsBroke YouWill BuyNothing New....Only Nigeria BuysNew Weapons

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Yeah, I guess you didnt read the article Thiza posted about current programes in the SANDF

Not broke
Still buying new weapons

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Denel Dynamics is showing a model of its Raptor III precision stand-off weapon for the first time, in the company’s display outside Hangar 4. The weapon is tailored to a strategic mission against high-value targets, which are often hardened and well-defended.

Like its predecessor, the Raptor II, the new weapon has pop-out wings to extend range. However, the Raptor III is aerodynamically cleaner with its systems being housed within the weapon body.

Other systems, such as infrared seeker, have also been improved. The programme is currently in the development stage.

Raptor III is a long-range (less than 300km) weapon that can be programmed to fly a variety of flightpaths. It is guided by jam-resistant GNSS (global navigation satellite system) and inertial navigation, with optional low-light TV or imaging infrared terminal-phase seekers.

Automatic target recognition algorithms allow the weapon to identify its target and guide itself to impact with a circular error probability of less than 3m. Blast/frag and penetration warhead options are available.

Attack profiles are best planned on the ground for optimal mission planning, but the Raptor III has a datalink for in-flight target reprogramming. The weapon can be fully integrated with an aircraft’s fire control system, or linked to the carrier’s system by wireless transmission.

MikeZA: The A-Darter is simply waiting for the air force to order it,putting the project into the industrialisation and production phase. The defence review might the reason holding the order.

Collaboration should on the Marlin BVR missile which is reported to going for tests next year. http:///nkDFO1yYHj

http://www.janes.com/article/43439/marlin-nears-first-test-aad143#.VB7E5e-apdM.twitter

interesting

I wonder if the development of a ground launcher for the Uhmkonto for the GBADS program will be halted to allow the adoption of the Marlin

Either way, a Valour Class cruising about with 16 Uhmkonto and 16 Marlin in the VLS tubes will be a hell of a keystone in fleet air defence

andrewza: if we buy new we may as well just build the TTD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md39hSguc5U

Joint project with the Brazilians would be nice.

They have their own TTD which they also shelved and their Leo 1's are getting old.

Could be another fantastic co-operative like the A-Darter

andrewza: hopefully we still get the leo2 before to many buyers increase the price.

it could still just go back into production ya'know

Plus, new MBT is so low on the list of needs. Hopefully something new will be on the market.

In anycase, something like the Jap Type 10 or Leclerc MBT is more in line with what we need.

Or... we could break the bank an invest in K-2's

Basically, there is so much out there, not getting the Leo would not be the end of the world.

Hell, maybe some Chally 2's will be on the market by then...

Basically, as long as we dont buy slavshit, im happy

andrewza: Wrong, Canada was about to get rid of the LEO1s because they where only doing coin work. Astan showed them tanks are exalent for coin work. Now the went from scraping tanks to buying LEO2s. Tanks are good at killing people to.

The Finns just ordered another 100 Leo2's

And the Polish are probably going to splerg on Leo2a7's buy if their Defense Review gets the budget it asks for ($43 billion in the next decade)

Leo2a7 is probably the best tank that any nation could ever hope to get their hands on, and it is designed with COIN applications in mind