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Henry120: Fraudster!!!!!!!!

How have i committed fraud?

Show me.

Henry120: Answer the question I asked you and stop beating about the bush.

I cant be any more direct

Henry120: Eerrrmm, I sleep very well at night. So why have you been lying to us over makopa missiles?

Where have i been lying?

We build them
They are integrated

If we need them we buy them

Henry120: NO, Janes defence corroborates the story.


Or all of a sudden, like the photos, IHS janes defence, shouldn't also be trusted?

One moment you say you need photos, the next, you claim photos aren't needed.

Again you claim janes is a trustworthy source, the next they can't be trusted.


The makopa missiles have never been in SANDF service, but you guys were all about the thread claiming you have them in service. So what has now happened?

Integrated but not in use.

Simple.

The rest of your post is the ramblings of a buffoon.

Henry120: Neither do your data links.

What are these?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link-ZA

http://www.reutechcomms.com/linkza/

http://www.reutech.co.za/news-events/news-archive/50-sandf-s-link-za

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6184:zz&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159

http://netbeans.dzone.com/sandf-netbeans-platform

Answer the question, what are these talking about?

Henry120:

You've caught the fraudsters pants down.

The only fraudsters around here are talking about their new T-72's and T-84's

Henry120: It clearly states "NOT ordered".

So, your new trick is to claim a website is old, when you're caught telling lies?

Nope, outdated info

The Makopa has been integrated, but not purchased.

There is no need for it. If the need arises, they can be armed and operated with ease.

agaugust: [size=16pt]

Bwahahaha

Janes Defence 2014 information confirms it...with a South African source !!!

"While the Rooivalk is now operational, it still lacks the 10,000 m-range Mokopa laser-guided missile expressly designed for it by Denel Dynamics because there is no funding to buy the weapon. The Mokopa, meanwhile, is being produced for an export order to arm shipboard helicopters."

http://www.janes.com/article/36210/south-africa-s-defence-minister-calls-for-rooivalk-line-to-be-reopened

South African air force has ZERO air to ground missiles.....

Also Rooivalk has ZERO anti-tank missiles....it has only one gun and dumb old school rocket pods.

World's 'Best' dedicated Attack helicopter CANNOT k.ill a tank !

Nigerian army T-84, T-72, Vickers will mass R.ape South African army till you bleed to death

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We dont need Makopa to smash your old Vickers MBT

Your T-72's and T-84's dont exist

agaugust: ALL the pictorial photo evidence of Mokopa anti-tank missiles you have been posting here for the past 3 years are FAKE !

Rooivalk helicopter has NO single Mokopa missile, South African air force has no single Mokopa anti-tank missile !

http://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/weapons/53/mokopa-anti-armour-missile

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Really?

Are you that desperate?

agaugust: That pre-cooled is ONLY for stealth valour frigate you dummy, your submarine is NOT a stealth submarine....fool

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Read what you said in that post again.

Henry120: We can just keep going round and round of these issues like a loop.

Fact is, we've provided comprehensive evidence of T-72's, T-84 OPLOT-M and a comprehensive Data link for our security services and the office of the presidency.

For South-Africa, you haven't provided convincing evidence to Data Links exist in your military.

Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night

agaugust: .

.[size=16pt]New Shock On Nairaland :

South African Air Force Has NO SINGLE Mokopa Anti-tank guided missile

They have been telling lies to us since 2012 on this forum

Rooivalk has ZERO anti-tank capability in SAAF !

http://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/weapons/53/mokopa-anti-armour-missile
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Old website buddy

I know you love outdated information. But this is pathetic

agaugust: APR-40 has 45km range ((((((BOOM BOOM BOOM)))))
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Pity you dont have any

agaugust:


Yes, laser guided bombs makes the Mi-35 Hind superior to the Rooivalk ! Proves the Hind is better in attack role weapon options !

Rooivalk is an attack helicopter that CANNON attack with bombs !

The 2,000kg payload you quoted for Rooivalk includes it's fuel load !

Weapons payload for the Rooivalk is only 1,500 kg !!!
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You wanna back that up with some citations?

agaugust: Fool, dull maths brain, I said 10 km sq NOT 10 km....you don't know metric units of area measurements, 33% Soweto brain

I did...prove it all ....one cluster bomb will spread over a whole area of 3,000 houses, reason why they are very dangerous and Nigeria has them and uses them on Boko Haram today !

One Alpha jet will carry four, multiply by NAF total fleet of 50 jets !

Nigeria will sink ALL South African Valour Frigates in the Gulf Of Guinea if you come near our EEZ....Lion's den !
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First, you havent proved cluster bombs have that area
Second, anyone can edit wiki - show us proof nigeria has cluster munitions

agaugust: Range is NOT Altitude dumbo

Starstreak altitude is 1km only, the Mi-35 dives to rocket your army with 4km range S-8 rockets at 4km altitude, your toy Startreak will be useless and watch your army die while being R.aped by NAF Hinds
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Someone cannot remeber their trigonometry

agaugust: Nope, it is the total weapons payload in attack mode.

If the smaller Rooivalk carries 2,000 kg with it's weaker engines, the Hind is good to carry the 2,400 kg with it's bigger engines.

Hinds carry Bombs, Rooivalk does not !

Mi-35M Hind E beats the Rooivalk in payload

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Prove that is the weapons payload of the Hind

It simply says payload, and it is after-all a transport helicopter

And why the hell would we want to put bombs on an attack helicopter?

agaugust: Okay, you have only TWO Badger IFVs

Nigeria's two T-84 tanks will k.ill both of them at the same time



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How will a tank in a parking lot in Ukrain do any damage on an African battlefield?

agaugust: Nope !

It proves to you that even in war situation, submarines have reason to surface, they are NOT perfect spirits from Hades.

South African navy SAS Manthatsi Type 209 submarine lost battery power during operation and failed, due to the very same wrong cable connection human incompetence that made Argentine navy San Luis Type 209 submarine FAIL to score any hit in the whole falklands war, because they had similar fools like South African navy sailor fools that connect wrong cable wires and k.ill electrical equipment on their own submarine !

The Argentine submarine fired FIRST TORPEDO that missed target because of this same South African brain incompetence

Same Argentine submarine fired SECOND TORPEDO that failed to launch because of this same South African brain incompetence

Argentine submarine's THIRD TORPEDO that fired on target was easily defeated by British anti-torpedo countermeasures that I have been shouting about, I warned that during South African navy war games with NATO, you 'sank' their ships in theory, you only targeted by sonar detection and lock on, it but you did NOT fire any torpedo, if you do so, the NATO ships anti-torpedo counter measures will defeat and waste ALL your torpedoes and the hidden location of your submarine will be known because it has fired it's weapons and the deadly NATO Anti-Submarine helicopters and Ship borne torpedoes will be unleashed to k.ill the South African submarine

The Argentine navy's T209 German made 'super' submarine could NOT sink any British warship throughout the Falklands war, ALL torpedoes fired were wasted by brains similar to those sailing South African submarines !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_San_Luis_(S-32)

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First the Argentiantian Type 209 is from the 1970's

Second the fact is that we eluded and sunk a NATO task force

Third you need to show that we use the same torpedoes

And by the way, Submarines have accidents all the time.

A french and english sub sailed into each other
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Vanguard_and_Le_Triomphant_submarine_collision

Kursk
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1070654.stm

Trafalgar class grounded itself twice off the island of Sky
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Trafalgar_(S107)#Grounding_incidents

American sub grounding
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Hartford_grounding

another
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_San_Francisco_(SSN-711)#Collision_with_seamount

the list goes on and on

agaugust: '"17 August 2012

A few days ago we learnt that all three submarines of the South African Navy were no longer operational. These three submarines were bought only a few years ago as part of the infamous 'arms deal' where the ANC liberated spent R70 BILLION to upgrade the country's military capabilities. The 3 subs cost around R8 Billion ($1billion) to buy from the Germans - who are probably laughing into their beer tankards as I type. The only problem is that, because of ANC quota systems, these subs would eventually land up in the hands of South African Blacks. (There's a joke in South Africa about how to split an atom. Give it to a Black man and tell him not to break it).

The SAS Manthatisi has been in dry dock since 2007 after a series of mishaps , including crashing into a quay wall and damaging her steering mechanism. Then a power cable was incorrectly plugged into her shore power-supply system, causing 'damage'. The vessel’s propulsion batteries, which cost R35-million, are currently being replaced (but I have a feeling that this isn't the only damage caused by some idiot not knowing his positive from negative).

The second sub, the SAS Charlotte Maxeke is also out of action due to “routine maintenance” - whatever that means. The navy doesn't want to fess up as to why she's still in dry dock if it's only 'routine' maintenance. This time of the day some African witch doctor has put a curse on it and all the little Black cadets are too scared to get on board. In any case.

Onto the third submarine - the SAS Queen Modjadji, named after a trival rain queen who lived in Limpopo province, was rammed into struck the ocean floor while conducting training exercises between Port Elizabeth and Durban last week. The Bleep-up accident happened three months after the Queen Modjadji welcomed a new commander, Commander Handsome Thamsanqa Matsane. The name says it all doesn't it? Again I digress. So, what does this have to do with the national carrier South African Airways not taking on anymore White cadets to train as pilots? Well, I'll leave you to work that one out. Needless to say, I won't be flying SAA ever again. Hey, Liberals out there! Yes, you wankers. How do you like dem New South African non-racist apples you helped pick? "

http://ozziesaffa..ca/2012/08/south-africa-no-more-white-cadet-pilots.html

# SouthAfrica's 3 Sick Submarines Cannot Fight War AwayFrom Home

PHOTO : SOUTH AFRICAN NAVY SUBMARINES SPEND MORE TIME IN DRY DOCK THAN AT SEA....THEY CANNOT FIGHT A WAR !!

https://www.timeslive.co.za/Feeds/2012/08/11/936152_785205.jpg/ALTERNATES/crop_630x400/936152_785205.jpg


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http://ozziesaffa..ca/2012/08/south-africa-no-more-white-cadet-pilots.html

Lol, racist ramblings from a blog?

You seriously just posted someones opinion and think it is relevant?

agaugust: '"17 August 2012

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lol - how is this relevant?

2 year old information

All subs are operational now

Henry120: I ain't making a ridiculous demand. You asked for Nigerian army T-72 MBT's, we provided you with link and pictorial evidence.

You asked for Nigerian army T-84 OPLOT-M tanks, we again provided you with pictorial and link evidence.

For Data links, we provided Pictorial, and operational evidence.



The only demand we (nigerians) have asked for is Pictorial evidence of SANDF operational Data links. Instead of providing evidence, you(patches689) and MikeZa, instead decided to go emotional?


What is this, confession, do we look like catholic priests to you guys?


LOL

First, you have provided no clear pictoral evidence of the T-72s. The info comes from an untrusted and unkown source - why has none of the major defence reporting outlets picked up on it?

Second, you have provided no clear pictoral evidence of the T-84s. The info comes from an untrusted and unkown source - why has none of the major defence reporting outlets picked up on it?

We have posted multiple links, from multiple sources, including the manufacturer that outlines that we have a TDL, its capabilities, and its operational use.

Grow up.

Henry120: Okay, let's get this straight. On this particular matter words are worth more than a thousand pictures right?

citations or pictures

either will do

with something like a TDL, citations are better

Your pictures of some guys in a plane doesnt actually show a data-link. It shows some guys, in a plane, looking at a screen.

Henry120: SANDF over to you. Show us Operational South-african Data links?

Nigeria has no data-link, you have only posted pictures from inside a plane.

We have posted many links with refrence to LinkZA

Its ok, Nigeria is simply very backwards. I am sure you will get one one day

Henry120: Show us SANDF operational Data Links? Why is this simple, straight forward demand so difficult?

We have many times

You are simply making ridiculous demands (which is what you allways do when you have lost a debate)

Henry120: In nigeria's case, we showed you the Air station, GCS and High-powered surveillance systems all linked together, which helped us in apprehending hijacked vessels off the coast of Angola and Ghana.

#Functional Data Links



Provide pictorial evidence?

Didn't you say pictures are worth more than a thousand words?



Okay, let's get this straight. On this particular matter words are worth more than a thousand pictures right?


All right, I now see. In that case,



http://www.harpoondatabases.com/encyclopedia/Entry2139.aspx

T-72 USERS: USSR/Russian Federation, Abkhazia, Algeria, Angola, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cuba, Czechoslovakia (later Czech republic and Slovakia), East Germany, Ethiopia, Finland, Georgia, Hungary, Ichkeria, India, Iran, Iraq, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Libya, Macedonia, Malaysia, Moldova, Myanmar, Nigeria, Philippines, Poland, Romania, Sudan, Syria, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Vietnam, Yemen.

see

MikeZA: MIL-STD data links.
Command and control posts have those computers,to monitor ops. Similar to radar stations. It doesn't equate to MIL-STD data link.

Henry120: In nigeria's case, we showed you the Air station, GCS and High-powered surveillance systems all linked together, which helped us in apprehending hijacked vessels off the coast of Angola and Ghana.

#Functional Data Links



Provide pictorial evidence?

Or didn't you guys say pictures are worth more than a thousand words?

You didnt apprehend any hijacked vessels off the coast of angola

and a few intergrated items is not the same as a net-centric set-up like the SANDF

Henry120: When it comes to Nigeria, SIPRI cannot track the multiple transactions carried out by the government of Nigeria.

This Fact we have proved on many occasions.

What is pathetic is your continuous use of relics as sole main MBT's and maritime patrol.

Olifant has been upgraded to a standard beyond anything you have.

If you cant post SIPRI then post a T-72 in Nigeria

Henry120: T-72 USERS: USSR/Russian Federation, Abkhazia, Algeria, Angola, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cuba, Czechoslovakia (later Czech republic and Slovakia), East Germany, Ethiopia, Finland, Georgia, Hungary, Ichkeria, India, Iran, Iraq, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Libya, Macedonia, Malaysia, Moldova, Myanmar, Nigeria, Philippines, Poland, Romania, Sudan, Syria, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Vietnam, Yemen.

http://www.harpoondatabases.com/encyclopedia/Entry2139.aspx

is that SIPRI?


no?

Henry120: #Show us your Data Link?

You don't have any Data Link. Pictorial evidence.

keep going with your ludicrous demands

It only further undermines your position

Henry120: Neither do you. You only have 10 Half-French helicopters. Nothing to sing cum ba ya over.

Those 10 attack helicopters are worth more in tactically and strategically than your perported 40 100% Russian helicopters

Henry120: Nigeria has over 500 MBT's including,

T-55's
Vickers MBT
AMX 30
T-72's
T-80 OPLOT-M

Nope, according to SIPRI its just over 150

Pathetic really