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andrewza: We only need about 24 or 2 squdrons, we have half our needs.

what he fails to realize is that 1 Rooivalk can do as much (or more) damage than 2 Hinds

Henry120: No, nothing has been proved. It doesn't exist. The only evidence of Data links we've seen comes from the NAF and NN. Both in photos and in real life operations.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6184:zz&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159

http://www.reutechcomms.com/linkza/

You were saying?

Henry120: And you are a confused black boy.

I hold nothing against your HIV infested homeland. However, if anyone wants to get down dirty, I'm very much obliged to get down and dish out the pounds.

It ain't freedom when 90% of the economy is run by 7% of the minority population.

- runs out of argument
- starts on about racism

Stay off topic bro

agaugust: The cocktail buying I know is of South Africa with ONE SINGLE MISSILE ONLY for each Gripen jet

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More than enough to shoot down your 3 Operational J-7's

#WorldClassJetShortage

agaugust: Nigerian army fought with tens of thousands of soldiers in world war I and world war II, we fought against Germany and Japan.

World war I and II South Africa did NOT fight alone, I posted your men mixed with British and Americans leading you in those wars.

About 90% of American combat aircraft gifted to South African air force were s.hot down by North Koreans, SAAF has very poor record of dying like flies anywhere they face enemy anti-aircraft guns.

Cuba almost defeated South Africa in Bush war and your country had to run to peace negotiation table to avoid further disgrace.

The war history of South Africa's past is as bad as it's present Seleka war record

Please stop posting ancient war history of dead South African men that CANNOT wake up and fight today !

#ShowUs War SANDF IsFighting AloneToday 2014
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Nigerian army fought with tens of thousands of soldiers in world war I and world war II, we fought against Germany and Japan.

Compared to hundreds of thousands of South Africans who actually fought

Digging holes and carrying gear for white english soldiers is not fighting

World war I and II South Africa did NOT fight alone, I posted your men mixed with British and Americans leading you in those wars.

How is this relevant?

About 90% of American combat aircraft gifted to South African air force were s.hot down by North Koreans, SAAF has very poor record of dying like flies anywhere they face enemy anti-aircraft guns.

1. Citation needed
2. Presidential Unit Citations from America and Korea say otherwise - they respect our mad skills
3. Nigeria has never flown missions against an enemy aircraft

Cuba almost defeated South Africa in Bush war and your country had to run to peace negotiation table to avoid further disgrace.

Strange, we never lost a battle, never lost an inch of our land to enemy action, and the Cubans bowed down to our demands.

Sounds like victory to me

The war history of South Africa's past is as bad as it's present Seleka war record

As apposed to Nigeria who have never actually won a war, aside from a CIVIL WAR against the WEAK and poorly equipped Biafra.

Please stop posting ancient war history of dead South African men that CANNOT wake up and fight today !

Its combat experience.

The lessons learnt in each war are handed down from generation of soldier to the next. Which is why we spend so much money on training.

#ShowUsYearlyNigerianBrigadeExercises

Also, plenty of Vetrans of the Border war still in service (picture 3)

#ShowUs War SANDF IsFighting AloneToday 2014

#ShowUsWarTheUSArmyIsFightingAloneToday2014
#ShowUsWarTheBritishIsFightingAloneToday2014
#MeaninglessDemands

Henry120: Meanwhile in Nigeria

Strides Energy Acquires Built-In-Nigeria Pipelay Barge


Quote:
THE Nigerian content vision of the Federal Government to transform the oil and gas industry into the economic engine of Nigeria has received a major boost, with the completion of a newly built 1000T pipelay barge “STRIDES III TOCHI”, owned by Port Harcourt-based Strides Energy and Maritime Limited.

The Laybarge, built 100 per cent in-country, would be commissioned on Thursday, September 25, 2014 at the Marlin Yard/Jetty (Former Horchi), Opposite Abuloma Jetty, Abuloma, Port Harcourt, Rivers State.

According to the management of the company, this is in pursuit of the Nigerian Content Vision, to transform the oil and gas industry into the economic engine for job creation and national growth by developing in-country capacity and indigenous capabilities.


“We share the Nigerian content vision and objectives of the Federal government fully, that is why in our usual nature of surpassing expectations we built our latest Pipelay barge in-country. Through the commissioning of this facility, we are adding to the local spend and job creation.”



http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/busin...-pipelay-barge

cute barge

Meanwhile in South Africa

Medupi Power Plant

- biggest in its class in the world
- Output of 4 800 MW.
- Nigeria's total power output: 3,563mw


lolzy lolzy lol

agaugust: South Africa has NEVER used data-link for us to see, the only functioning data-link we see is that of Nigerian navy and air force communication and passing real time information leading to the locating and capture of pirate hijacked European ship right inside Angolan waters in your own SADC region of influence

Your SANDF data-link is dead if it ever existed at all.

1. Nigeria has no data-link
2. The vessel was captured IN NIGERIAN WATERS

The existance of LinkZA has been proven with

- the use of LinkZA to allow Hawks to use Radar (despite having no on-board radar)
- artillery to shoot moving targets
- intergartion of a BLUEFOR tracker

its pityfull that you would even try to dispute the facts

agaugust: It is 3 times worse than that oga, South African land mass is about 1.2 million sq km and protected by a pitiable 10 units of Roiivalks

Also, all South African Gripen jets have ONLY one single missile each. Guinness Book Of World Records missile shortage
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Refer to my post about the use of Gripen and superior SANDF air-mobility

Henry120: Which are you, a thieving white-pig or a miserable yes massa, cowardly black south-african. You seem so butt-blasted.

Well, we know that you are a degenerate bigot

Glad to see our multi-cultural freedom gets you soo buttblasted

Henry120: South-Africa has no Data link.

its been proved multiple times

consult the archives

agaugust: It was 1,500 Seleka Vs 300 SANDF army parabats & special forces, ALL of whom surrendered to Seleka in 13 hours with a spotless white flag

https://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0060-0807-1220-5853_A_Woman_Soldier_in_a_Foxhole_Surrendering_with_the_White_Flag_clipart_image.jpg

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please show us a source that says we surrendered

and btw, it was 4000 v 200

agaugust: Nigerian air force built that device two years ago, come to and learn trade secrets
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Sure they did

And Shakira was in my bed last night

agaugust: One single letter of threat to withdraw MTN's telecoms license, Jacob Zuma will pay Nigeria double of that $9.3 m in 24 hours
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MTN Nigeria is the only company that is based in Nigeria that is amongst the 50 biggest in Africa

One threat to withdraw MTN from Nigeria and Goodluck will be on his knees offering JZ a BJ

Thanks for the free $9.3m we will be sure to spend it well

agaugust: One single man Mr.Dangote of Nigeria is busy buying up your economy
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How could he?

How dont you understand that Dangote is nothing on our economic landscape

We are busy buying up AFRICA

agaugust: You go get some education.

SANDF deployed special forces and the 21 Battalion plus air force helicopter that perished inside Kruger park.

Use any language, your military was fighting Rhino poachers and they lost the war

Stop denying SANDF was operating anytime they failed, your army is your army whether they win or lose.

"The SANDF is active on two fronts in firstly ensuring protection of rhino populations on military land through the treatment of horns of living animals and secondly, taking part in inter-departmental initiatives among various government departments and agencies. These include the SA Revenue Service, SA Police Service, the intelligence community and SANParks, all of whom bring unique resources to joint anti-rhino poaching operations,” he said."

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=34762:the-sandf-and-rhino-poaching&catid=87:border-security

SANDF lost the war....beaten blue black by Rhino poachers including the ones on SANDF owned military land
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"Rhino populations on MILITARY LAND"

Is Kruger Park military land?

Lol, you just showed off your complete illiteracy

agaugust: Nope...

Nigeria had many thousands of soldiers fight world war I that is 100 years ago

Nigeria had many thousands of soldiers fight world war II among 500,000 West African soldiers

Nigerian army has about 300,000 soldiers fight in Biafra war.

In the last 100 years Nigeria has more war experience than South Africa, Nigerian nation was formed and named in 1914.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/nigerian-who-fought-burma-wwii-remembered
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1. No Nigerian soldiers fought in WW1 - they were labourers
2. No Nigerian soldiers fought in WW2 - they were labourers
3. Biafra war was semi-conventional and the enemy did not have any advanced weapons

Do you want to compare numbers?

WW1: 231,500
WW2: 334,000
Border War: Average troops deployment 4K, yearly rotations for 25 years = 100 000 vetrans

In all these wars we were committed to full spectrum warfare, planes, ships, tanks artillery everything.

Nigeria cannot compare in any way.

And lets mention Korea shall we:

The squadron was South Africa's contribution to the United Nations war effort during the Korean War from November 1950 to December 1953. 2 Squadron was attached to USAF 18th Fighter-Bomber Wing for the duration of the war.[4] Initially flying the P-51 Mustang, the squadron re-equipped with the F-86 Sabre in February 1953. During the war the squadron flew a total of 12 067 sorties, most being dangerous ground attack missions. 74 of the 94 Mustangs and 4 out of the 22 Sabres were lost, along with 34 pilots.

For its actions, the squadron received the Republic of Korea Presidential Unit Citation, United States Presidential Unit Citation, and numerous other awards and decorations.

The Commanding Officer of the United States Air Force's 18th FBW, to which the squadron was assigned, issued a directive at the end of the war that:[5]

In memory of our gallant South African comrades, it is hereby established, as a new policy that at all Retreat Ceremonies held by this Wing, the playing of our National Anthem shall be preceded by playing the introductory bars of the South African National Anthem, 'Die Stem van Suid-Afrika'. All personnel of this Wing will render the same honours to this Anthem as our own.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Squadron_SAAF#Korean_War

Feel free to show us other Nations militaries that sing your anthem!!

We have more WW2 Aces than Nigeria has fighter-jets

And, btw, Nigeria only came into existence in 1960

agaugust: Nope, America deployed about half a million soldiers and thousands of jet fighters, helicopters, tanks, artillery in Vietnam war.

South Africa has a constant history of small tiny war deployments, only 4,000 men less than even one brigade in Bush war, with scanty number of jet fighters, and some few tanks.

America is NOT your mate, so don't even compare.

Nigeria deployed 15,000 men in Liberia, followed by 20,000 men in Niger Delta, followed by over 30,000 men in North East today.

Now that is why I say Nigeria has the most experienced army in Africa today by diversity and constancy of hard battlefield experience.

After bush war, South Africa's ANC flushed out 99% of the experienced white military men of the brutal apartheid era to prevent a coup or sabotage of Mandela presidency.

America kept her experienced men till Iraq the war, they don't have the messy apartheid problem that weakened and shattered SADF when it was downgraded to SANDF, replacing the few white combat experienced men with crowds of in-experienced, hungry, jobless, half-illiterate, low-intelligence, and chicken hearted HIV infected black South Africans.

That was how South African military human capacity fell down from grace to grass today and forever
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o look all these statements and no citations.

Gee, its allmost like someone is giving us their opinion and not facts

agaugust: No, you get back to us when you have 40 Rooivalk helicopter gunships

Nigeria has no tank purchase of only 2 units in our history, minimum number we ever purchased is 136 units.

The T-84 is urgently needed in war zone, so first 2 units are being sent by air, normal tank purchase is shipped by sea.

Don't die yet my brother, stay alive to see the remaining battalions of T-84 enter Nigerian army service in a few weeks from now.

Our T-84 tank CANNOT be penetrated by any anti-tank missile in Africa including SANDF Milan ATGM, this Nigerian tanks will invade South Africa and drive freely from Cape Town to Durban to Soweto to Pretoria and NOTHING can defeat then, it cannot be penetrated by the HEAT shells of your 105mm Olifant tank, it has Composite armour....

Nigeria now has the best tank in Africa, South Africa is now the rag tag army with old out-dated weapons, wow !

The tables have turned on this thread and is still turning faster every day

South Africa is finished !
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lol - you have one untrusted source that says two were sent. Will 2 make a difference?

I challenge you to find a reputable source: SIPRI, Janes ect

Its just another mythical aquisition in line with the T-72's

And yes, the Ingwe and Mokopa can penetrate it:

Ingwe:

This is fitted with the same HEAT warhead (with the option of a new HEAT warhead) and a nose mounted precursor charge. It is estimated that this warhead will penetrate around 1,000 mm of RHA protected by ERA
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2101.html

Conclusion: Ingwe can penetrate it

Mokopa:

The primary role will be anti-armour for which a tandem High Explosive Anti-Tank (HEAT) warhead able to penetrate over 1,350 mm of rolled homogenous steel armour, protected by Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA)
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product869.html

Conclusion: Mokopa can penetrate it

Milan ER:

"The warhead can penetrate 1m explosive reactive armour (ERA) or rolled homogenous armour, or over 3m of reinforced concrete."
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/milan-er-extended-response-anti-tank-missile-system/

Conclusion: Milan ER can penetrate it

And 11 Rooivalks armed with up to 12 Makopa each are more than enough to handle 2 T-82's

Infact, they could handle 132 of them in just one attack

And lets not even talk about what a Paveway dropped from a Gripen will do to it



Keep dreaming kid

agaugust: Spirit of envy is eating your intestines up from inside

Nigeria has more and better weapons than South Africa today.

former 30 + 40 new combat helicopters vs 11 Rooivalk fat turkeys

We are buying new tanks that CANNOT be penetrated by SANDF Olifant tang guns, Milan ATGM , Mokopa and Ingwe missiles all useless !

Nigerian army will slice through South African army like a hot knife through butter

The first 2 units are on the way to Abuja by air !


http://www.informe.com.ua/en/page/119843/ukraine-to-send-two-sophisticated-tanks-to-nigeria-photo


https://www.xactscale.com/images/T-84M_box500.jpg

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2 T-80s?

And how are they relevant?

2 Ingwe or 2 Makopa and they are gone

Remember that South Africa has a long history of defeating Armor with IFV's

Get back to us when you have a couple hundred

Henry120: Each nigerian soldier carriers 5 MAGs. 6 mins is still not enough. Eventually after 6 mins, you run out of MAG's.

Nope - its 3 mags for you lot

Henry120: Going by the fact you ran away from Seleka and C.A.R, I wouldn't expect any less from SANDF.

And how many times did the Nigerian Army run away from BH?

Difference is that our boys were on a training mission THOUSANDS of Km's from home and support

Your lads were on COMBAT MISSIONS in your own back-yard

Have the guys who ran away into Cameroon resurfaced yet?

Henry120: It means after 6 mins he would have expended his 7 MAGs. What then would be his next line of action, seeing he's out of rounds?

6 mins is better than 2

Henry120: You know Zilch. The only thing you're good at is pasting and colouring long, very irrelevant posts like a failed painter.

South African Infantry (who have fought in actual conventional wars) carry 7 mags for a reason.

That reason is: Suppression.

Suppression is the foundation of all small unit tactics since... well WW2

and now for your viewing pleasure:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POw12wIySwI

Entitled "3 Mags are enough, right?"

Notice after 2 minutes of SEMI-AUTOMATIC fire they were out on their main weapons and had to draw their secondaries.

DieVluit: In case there's confusion, you don't require an answer.

i never ask questions i dont know the answer to

Henry120: This is your country, a failed, un-equal state. Topping the chart as the murder capital of the world.

http://www.theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2014/jun/24/10-world-cities-highest-murder-rates-homicides-in-pictures

Where does Nigeria list on the failed states rankings?

Where does South Africa?

Henry120: Keep lying to yourself.

Black population in south-africa = 87%
Black middle class = 15%

So much for better per-capita.

Yes, Case closed.

Is it better per capita or not?

Henry120: 1)Did you even watch that video?

2) Northerners are 100% in support of the military. After sending 700 virgin hunters to the gates of hell, multiple civilians came out waving the nigerian flag, throwing green leaves on the floor, blocking the N.A's passage with scenes of celebration. It doesn't look like an N.A that lacks support.

Loser

3) how do you think actual fighting takes place, Have you even seen a real fire-fight?

I clearly know more than you

Complete proof that the SANDF are not directly involved in APU duties:

Retired Major General Johan Jooste told a border surveillance technology co-operation seminar that one of the biggest problems facing him in the ongoing campaign against rhino poachers was that of turning people trained as conservationists – rangers – into “operators”.

“I ask myself if it’s right to train people whose function is protection of species, from grass through to birds and animals to become almost like Special Forces operators.

“When rangers go on patrol in search of rhino poachers they are up against an enemy who comes into Kruger for one to four days at a time with the express intention of killing rhino. He has the bushcraft and skills to survive on very little for that period of time and I am putting people in harm’s way trying to stop and apprehend him.

“Sure their job is to protect species and anti-poaching operations are part of it but it is a worrying aspect of current operations in the Kruger National Park.”


“Anti- and counter-poaching operations will remain a collateral task for soldiers and other military personnel deployed on border protection (Operation Corona) until there is a focus shift,” he said adding good training and doctrine would, in time and if deployed, be an asset against poachers.

- DefenceWeb

[size=15pt]SAAF sets a reminder as to whom is the best in Sub-Saharan Africa
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Following the insertion of Pathfinders dropped from a C208 Caravan at 6,000ft in order to collect intelligence and mark targets, a Hawk fitted with a Vinten reconnaissance pod, escorted by a Gripen, obtained tactical information over the battlefield. The Gripen, having been targeted by a SAM, released flares.

Various simulated exercises, including a South African Army element, comprised scenarios ranging from mortar attacks, air supply drops and troop insertions. A low-level supply drop by a C-130 Hercules was followed by two Gripens and a Hawk performed a 2v1 dogfight.

Oryx medium-transport helicopters demonstrated water bombing with Bambi buckets and continuously dropped off and picked up troops while an Agusta A109 Light Utility Helicopter performed observation and co-ordination of ground force duties.

With a BK-117 performing an ‘emergency landing’ after the pilot was hit by ground fire, a combat Search & Rescue scenario was enacted. The ensuing mock battle included the firing of 81mm motors, with Oryx helicopters inserting and extracting troops whilst two Rooivalk attack helicopters provided covering fire with 20mm cannon and 70mm FFAR rockets.

Close air support was proved by a Hawk firing its 30mm Aden cannon and dropping 120kg bombs, whilst three Gripens dropped 250kg bombs on targets on the range, creating some impressively huge explosions and accompanying vibrations.

-from DefenceWeb

[size=15pt]Augugbgugug talks about imaginary fighter jets
We talk about what we can actually do [/size]

agaugust: Mumu, President Jonathan wants to establish another special forces specially assigned for anti-Boko Haram war and any COIN war.

How can a 150 year old Nigerian army have no special forces? Even the army of Togo republic have special forces.

We have naval special forces SBS equal to the British SBS, we have NAF SF equal to the British SAS, we have NA SF equal to the British Army SF. They are the ones that k.illed the original Shekau inside his own Boko Haram stronghold forest camp around about 2 years ago.

Nigerian special forces fought in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Niger Delta war, and now in Boko Haram war.

We have a bigger number of special forces than South Africa, and we have lots of fresh war experience, plus overseas training with US Navy Seals, Israeli SF, Pakistani SF, Ukranian SF, in addition to our domestic military academy training.

Look, if you want to see Nigerian special forces, click on the weblink below, over 100 photos

https://www.nairaland.com/1386870/african-militaries-security-services-strictly

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Your military is not 150 years old

Your units are in no way comparable to those units

Your units are in no way comparable to our own either

Launch an attack from a submarine, or have 500km deeprecon patrols behind enemy lines as SOP and then you can get back to us.

We have SF who jump out of planes in the middle of the ocean and randevouz with submarines. You are so outclassed its not even a joke.

fydence: more delusions...Oya kruger park has called ur Recruit-impregnating and Broke HIV ridden retirement home of a military to action, Show results or at least read them this mouthfarts nobody cares about... You cant handle an Insurgency if you cant handle common theives...ur rhinos are laughing at u frm botswana....olodo grade9!

Dude

Kruger has done no such thing

SANDF provides assistance from time to time, but their main duties are border protection - and the results are impressive, over 18 000 people detained

APU duties is fully SANParks

And we are winning the war against poachers

fydence: For the meaning of the word 'Insurgents' consult ur Oxford dictionary... Is you Military TODAY in a critical state of decline: Yes! Your Parliament says so, your Defence review says so. Your military is so broke it cant run itself.. No sir you cant handle an Insurgency.You've failed before and you are failing today. Those are the facts. The rest gilberish are what I call Political Masturbatio.n. ...whatever makes u feel good is ur headache.

yes, a state of decline from a level that Nigeria could not even comprehend, and a state that Nigeria will never acheive. A decline that is about to be ended by a boost in military spending that Nigeria has never achieved nor will it ever achieve - some $9 Billion is ear-marked

Our military is not broke, its underfunded... how many new projects have been announced this year alone? Does that sound broke to you?

Yes, our PEACETIME military would have trouble with conducting a long term war. But, if our security situation were to deteriorate we could feild an army that is superior to the SADF - which was the best military Africa had ever seen.

the fact remains that our PEACETIME military is superior to your WARTIME military.

the fact remains that our PEACETIME military is better funded than your WARTIME military

the fact remains that our PEACETIME military is better equipped than your WARTIME military

In times of peace we are superior, can you even comprehend what we are capable of in times of war?

and dont argue about definitions with me, clown

rev·o·lu·tion/ˌrɛvəˈluʃən/
–noun
1. an overthrow or repudiation and the thorough replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed.
2. Sociology. a radical and pervasive change in society and the social structure, esp. one made suddenly and often accompanied by violence. Compare social evolution.
3. a sudden, complete or marked change in something: the present revolution in church architecture.
4. a procedure or course, as if in a circuit, back to a starting point.


in·sur·gen·cy/ɪnˈsɜrdʒənsi
–noun, plural, -cies for 4.
1. the state or condition of being insurgent.
2. insurrection against an existing government, usually one's own, by a group not recognized as having the status of a belligerent.
3. rebellion within a group, as by members against leaders

Finally, we dealt with the insurgency, apartheid ended because of POLITICAL not MILITARY factors. ANC military formations bigger than small cells of bombers were a non-entity in South Africa. No enemy force was able to establish a permanent base in South African (and Namibian) territory after 1970. No South African towns were captured - Can Nigeria say the same?

Your argument has been weighed, measured and found wanting

Come back when you know what you are talking about