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Mabhengu: SANDF IS GEARING UP FOR WAR....NIGERIA WE CUMING THE TO SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM.....IF YALL ARE WISE THEN LEARN HOW DOES THE MILITARY WORKS

www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2014/09/26/gearing-for-war

No less than R4 BILLION spent on training

Probably the single best formation in Africa at the moment

Henry120: Same as the Rooivalk and the orynx.

In the case of the Rooivalk, you combined two helicopters to get what we now know as the Half-french helicopter.

So, it has the same engines.

And the engines comprise 50% of the helicopter?

LOL

Henry120: Same as the Rooivalk and the orynx.

this isnt even worth my time anymore.

You cant find anything which supports your claims

Looking at a simple picture shows they are completely different.

You are free to behave like a child, but at least have the self respect to admit when you are obviously wrong.

Henry120: So the chinese J-11 is developed from the SU-27, and not actually copied from the SU-27?

Blatant copy

The J-11 was finally born in 1995 as a Chinese version of the Soviet-designed Sukhoi Su-27SK air superiority fighter after China secured a $2.5 billion production agreement which licensed China to build 200 Su-27SK aircraft using Russian-supplied kits. Under the terms of the agreement, these aircraft would be outfitted with Russian avionics, radars and engines.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-11

Tell me the Rooivalk is exactly the same as a Super Puma

Show me a citation that says so

Henry120: It clearly states the Rooivalk was developed from the aloutte III airframe and the Super Puma helicopters.

All french helicopters.

It says quite the opposite. Only the engines.

And its referring to the proto-type.

And "developed from" =/= "copied"

Are all these helicopters 90% the same?

Henry120: During the Rooivalk's development it was decided to base the aircraft on the dynamic components of the Aérospatiale Super Puma,[3] a larger and more powerful helicopter.

Digging your hole deeper

[quote author=Henry120][/quote]It was developed from an Aérospatiale Alouette III airframe, retaining that helicopter's engine and dynamic components,"

So the prototype had only the same engine? Is the prototype the final product? Look at pic related and tell me that is a Rooivalk we have today.

Your killing your own argument here

Henry120: Let me help you out. You have no prior knowledge in building a helicopter when the Oryx was been built. If the Oryx is based 100% on the Super puma, the same goes for the Rooivalk.

And it says that where?

Your own source says the complete opposite

Henry120:


"The Oryx was developed in the 1980s using the fuselage of the Aérospatiale SA 330 Puma in the 1980s, but with the more powerful engines and related gearbox from the Eurocopter AS332 Super Puma, as well as its longer tail boom to offset the greater torque.

Although developed in parallel with the Oryx, the Rooivalk is unique except that it employs a variant of the same engine and shares some other elements of the dynamic system."

Here is your proof.

The Rooivalk is a 100% French helicopter.

You have just proceeded to full mental impairment

All it says is that the Rooivalk was developed during the same period of time as the Oryx and uses only the same engine and some other elements of the dynamic system

It even specifically says that the Rooivalk is unique

Good lord

Henry120: You don't want to stage the percentage right, I'll issue it a percentage then, we all know the Rooivalk is well below Half-french.

10% south-african it is.

You dont want to provide any proof?

Henry120: If only the tires and air-frame are made in South-Africa, how many percentage would that be?

Where does it say that only the wheels and air-frame are made in South-Africa?

Was it a brain clot?

Henry120: It is 12% south-african.

where does it say that?

#PrayForStrokeVictims

Henry120: Mike, the Rooivalk is 12% South-African, you should be glad.

#Henry120HasHadAStroke

LOHATLA, NORTHERN CAPE - South African soldiers who fought rebels in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Central African Republic could soon be fighting another war.

Over the last month, nearly 1500 troops have been honing their skills on the dusty plains of the Army Combat training centre in the Northern Cape.

As part of the their training, they have been fighting an imaginary foe. This time there is no one shooting back. But it is all about to change.

In December, South Africa will launch the awkwardly named African Capacity for Immediate Response to Crisis (ACIRC).

The brainchild of President Jacob Zuma, the force will intervene in African crisis situations. It is supposed to be an interim measure until the African Union manages to establish the African Standby Force, first mooted in 2008.

Due to the lack of capacity, Africa had to turn to former colonial power France who came to the rescue when crisis hit Mali and more recently the Central African Republic (CAR).

Arguing that Africans should take responsibility for such interventions, Zuma convinced the African Union at last year's summit in Equatorial Guinea to approve the ACIRC as a precursor to the African Standby Force.

The African leaders' tepid approval was followed by an even less enthusiastic contribution of troops and equipment for ACIRC.

This means South Africa and a small number of African partners will have to form the core of the force.

Not allowing himself to be deterred by this, Zuma, who is also the country's commander-in-chief, ordered the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) to provide soldiers and equipment as part of the force.

"Let me warn the enemies of peace across the African that the legitimate armed forces on the African continent will act as collective to quell any form of instability that threatens our people," Chief of Army, Lt. General Vusi Masondo said after reviewing his soldiers preparations in the Northern Cape.

It could be a very pricey undertaking with the training alone costing four-billion-rand, a cost the cash-strapped SANDF would not be able to carry.
http://www.enca.com/sa-soldiers-prepare-fight-again

Henry120: If you only make the airframe and tires, then the Rooivalk is 12% south-african. An up-grade from the 5-10% I initially wanted.

Where does it say we only make the Air-Frame and tires?

Henry120: How do you plead man?

You actually have a need for 36 helicopters, Andrewza, says 24, while you only got 10.

Pathetic!!!

The 1998 Defence Reveiw called for the number we have now

The new Defence Reveiw which is going to grow the military calls for 24

During Apartheid, when we had a 200 000 man army we needed 36

Have you had a stroke or something? Do you need an english lesson?

Henry120: We don kill dis people today.


We need to determine the percentage that is actually south-african.

#bookmarked.

So the helicopter is actually not half-french, but only 5-10% south-african. Virtually full french.

Revealing!!!!!

Where does it say that?

It doesnt.

Stop making things up.

Henry120: Oga patchesagain, how do you plead?

LOL

Yes during apartheid when we had an army of about 200 000 men and we were at war we needed that many

How big is our army now?

What enemies do we have now?

Henry120:

We would never know the number of lies, they've been telling........ LOL


However, on this makopa, they've been caught pants down.

My pastor used to say, 99 days for the thief, and one day for the owner of the house.

He apparently is so right.

#GraspingAtStraws

agaugust: 8 pilots can take off and land, ONLY 6 Gripen pilots qualify for combat operation
.

Lol, first you said we only had 6 pilots... now you change your story? Pfft, low quality trolling on your part

We have 18 qualified Gripen pilots - Confirmed by the head of the Air-Force
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31821:saaf-says-gripens-being-rotated-not-stored&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

Henry120: I did not make any fraudulent claim, you've been claiming all along you have makopa missiles in service.

Infact to back-up your fraudulent claim, you called the SAAF source old.





Isn't this your moniker?

It is in service

And no, first that is not the SAAF website.
Second, yes, that webpage is old.

agaugust: The 6 only Gripen jet pilots.



.

Whatever you say

agaugust: Only God knows how many lies these South Africans have told us here since 2012....huge frauds we will never find out all of them !

All the weaknesses we have been hearing are ALL true...

The 6 only Gripen jet pilots.

The one only single submarine.

The two only Valour frigates.

The 39km range only G-6 and G-5 artillery.

Zimbabwe will roast South Africa in battle

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18 Gripen Pilots, 52 Hawks Pilots - confirmed

All 3 submarines currently operational

3 Frigates operational, 4th undergoing routine maintenance

G-6 has been tested to over 70km

G-5 over 50km

All this has been proven beyond doubt

Henry120: Sorry, no question has been answered.

You(patches689) and MikeZA have been claiming all along you have makopa missiles in SANDF service. You've posted multiple photos to back up this fraudulent claim.


However, According to IHS janes and SAAF, SANDF has no makopa missile in service.


So, we(everyone on this thread), wants to know who actually between you guys (mike and patches) and IHS janes defence and SAAF are telling lies?

It's as simple as this.

I am not going to repeat myself over and over

In service
Not currently in use

When they are needed they are purchased.

agaugust: [size=14pt]Finally, South Africans admit they have NO SINGLE MOKOPA anti-tank missile

Rooivalk dedicated attack helicopter CANNOT attack enemy tanks

No wonder ! UN had to send Ukranian and Indian Mi-35 Hinds to lead the Rooivalk into combat in Congo DRC !

Now the real truth has come out oooooo !!!

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Makopa is intergrated

The Rooivalk can kill all known MBT's

Henry120: No, as in IHS janes and SAAF are telling lies?

No as in you seem to be unable to tell the difference between "in service" and "in use"

We build them.
They have been integrated.
We buy them when we need them.

agaugust: Badger IFV has 2 prototypes. The IFV is NOT yet in service with SANDF....proved and accepted by even @Andrewza.

Badger IFV does NOT exist in South African army armoury, we know that from your Army's official news website and Denel

.

Its more real than your T-84 and T-72

chris365: bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha..... now that you've been caught lying you don't neex it anymore ba?

you people think Nigerians are as dull as you?

no wonder no one wants to buy that over priced metal.

Feel free to point out where I was lying.

Henry120: No need getting emotional over this.

So, you're saying IHS Janes and SAAF website are telling lies?

You actually have makopa ATGM's in service, like you've been claiming over the past months?

Dude, the question has been answered.

Is this going to be another data-link episode?

Henry120: So Janes defence and SAAF website are all telling lies?

No

They are in service

But we dont keep any, because we dont need them at this point in time.

That is the benefit of building your own missiles.

Henry120: Since patchesagain, patches689 is too ashamed to answer the question, MikeZA, please answer this question.

Are you blind?

Its been answered

Henry120: This is what i asked you. Answer it.

No they are not

It is in service