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Rich4god: So you na adult in Christ... I like the way you guys are trying to point christians to the right way, but dont condem them for their belief by saying that they will end up in hell. Only God decide on that... Just support your arguement the best way you can and leave the rest for God...

Ukutsgp: this is a lie raised to the power of thousands. dnt be deceived, those that die in their sins will perish. d wages of sin is death according to d bible.
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Romans 6:12-18 - We must not let sin reign
in our bodies.
These were baptized into Christ (v3,4),
set free from sin, and become servants of
righteousness (v18).
They are warned not to let sin reign in
their bodies nor present their members
as instruments of sin (v12,13). The result
of that would be death (v16). This must
be spiritual again, since all die
physically. The wages of sin, even for
those here addressed, is death, in
contrast to eternal life (v23).
Hebrews 6:4-8 - We must avoid falling
away.
This is addressed to those once
enlightened, who tasted the heavenly gift
and the good word of God and were
partakers of the Holy Spirit (v4,5).
We are warned not to fall away (v6). If
they continue in this pattern of life
(implied), they cannot be restored. They
are crucifying Jesus afresh and putting
Him to an open shame (v6). Their
destiny is to be burned like a field of
thorns (v8).

Ukutsgp: this is d false doctrine peddles by false prophet like u and others.

Ukutsgp: what if they dnt avoid sin? remember that no unclean thing will enter into heaven according to d bible. so why are u preaching a different gospel to deceive people. d bible say that those that preach a different gospel are under God's curse. repent now so that u will not perish in hell fire. cos all d false prophets will have their part in d lake of fire. dnt be one of them.

Ukutsgp: so those that believe are saved irrespective of their works?

Ukutsgp: so u believe that someone can lost his salvation now . gud. but tell me what will befall a christian who at a point begins to commit fornication, adultery, stealing, murder, etc and fails to repent of his sin and forsake them and died in his sins? will he make heaven?

Ukutsgp: so u believe that someone can lost his salvation now . gud. but tell me what will befall a christian who at a point begins to commit fornication, adultery, stealing, murder, etc and fails to repent of his sin and forsake them and died in his sins? will he make heaven?

Ukutsgp: what about those who believes and draws back to perdition? i can believe today and tomorrow express unbelief like d Israelite in the wilderness.

Ukutsgp: why didn't God forgive Satan then after he rebelled against him? why did God totally cast him out?

also dnt u think that the prodigal son who left the father's house would have been lost forever if he didn't come back to his senses and returned to his father? is it God that will back d disobedient ones or they will repent and come back to God?

dnt u think a christian can turn and rebel
against God or leave God and become Satan's agent?

ur argument is full of holes. it is so because u dnt read nor understand d bible.

Ukutsgp: why didn't God forgive Satan then after he rebelled against him? why did God totally cast him out?

also dnt u think that the prodigal son who left the father's house would have been lost forever if he didn't come back to his senses and returned to his father? is it God that will back d disobedient ones or they will repent and come back to God?

dnt u think a christian can turn and rebel
against God or leave God and become Satan's agent?

ur argument is full of holes. it is so because u dnt read nor understand d bible.

Ukutsgp: but christ died for all. why wont everyone make heaven despite their sins?

Ukutsgp: pls do u believe dat someone who is obedient can turn and become rebellious and disobedience like satan when he rebelled against God and he was cast out?

Ukutsgp: u are only dragging us backward. so i can continue in sin after all when God look at me he will not see my sin but d blood of Jesus. is dat not what u are saying if i hear u correctly? whether we sin or not we would make heaven i.e everyone on earth will make heaven. is dis not what u are saying now? yes or no?

Ukutsgp: my friend u were d one who lacked quality education because u don't understand scriptures. i sympathize with u on dat.

Ukutsgp: i have said a lot if u read my post.

Ukutsgp: so i'm now free to continue in sin. isn't it? satan is really using u to deceive people.

Ukutsgp: my people perish for lack of knowledge. Hosea 4:6.

Rich4god: lol... @lazy christians... Me thinks its a foolish christian that will waste his time reading that trash you wrote up there... @paxonel... Dont even bother reading cos its a waste of time...

Rich4god: lol... @lazy christians... Me thinks its a foolish christian that will waste his time reading that trash you wrote up there... @paxonel... Dont even bother reading cos its a waste of time...

continentalceo: Christianity is a deep religion..you can only know all about it through constant study of the word!

emmyskies: Bro, if you know how these things pains me eh?? Woe unto men, that the devil have come to reside amongst us...

emmyskies: I don't have anything personal against you. Read your post again and read every single comment on your thread to know what is wrong or rather, false

emmyskies: This wrong doctrine don pain me well well well well well. Kai!!! If an unbeliever goes to hell, we'd say he went there coz he didn't believe in Christ, but if a believer goes to hell, what do we then say??

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." (2 Timothy 4:3-4)

The wage of sin is death, whether believer believer or no believer, the soul that sinneth shall die.

JESUS CHRIST have said it already: If your eyes or right hand, no matter how precious they are to you causes you to sin, cut them off and throw it away, avoid sin at all cost, he will say to sinners on the last day: Depart from me, I know you not!! Ye workers of iniquity.

Let them that have ear, let them hear

ProphetUdeme: chai. JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH. so shocked 2 hear this. Why are u laying up wrath and curses 2 urself with al this satanic doctrines

scosco1: Like I always say I respect everyone's belief ...I enjoy reading ur opinions neither am I saying mine is the best but its good we always take a critical look at most of what is been revealed to us ..pls take ur time and ponder on this observations below please :

- We are told that God came to dwell on the earth as Jesus. However, I found that :
"But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold the heaven and theheaven of heavens cannot contain You; much less this temple that I haveerected."
1 Kings 8:27

- We are told that God came as a human in Jesus to change the way things were tosomething better. However, I found out that :
God is not man to be capricious, Or mortal to change His mind. Would Hespeak and not act, Promise and not fulfill?
Numbers 23:19
Moreover, the Glory of Israel does not deceive or change His mind, for He isnot human that He should change His mind."
1 Samuel 15:29

- We are told that YHVH's glory was given to Jesus and all praise is to Jesus.However, I found out that :
"I am YHVH, that is My Name; and My glory I will NOT give to another,nor My praise to the graven images."
Isaiah 42:8

- We are told that God speaks in types and shadows and we must find those hiddenthroughout Scripture. However, I found this :
"Not in secret did I speak, in a place of a land of darkness; I did notsay to the seed of Jacob, Seek Me, in vain; I am YHVH, Who speaksrighteousness, declares things that are right."
Isaiah 45:19

- We are told that the God of the "Old Testament" changed to a moreloving God through Jesus in the "New Testament". However, note this as well :
And until old age I am the same, and until you turn gray I will carry; Ihave made and I will bear and I will carry and deliver.
Isaiah 46:4

- We are told that Jesus and God are the same, equal, alike. However, I also discovered :
To whom shall you liken Me and make Me equal and compare Me that we may bealike?
Isaiah 46:4,5
And to whom do you compare God, and what likeness do you arrange for Him?
Isaiah 40:18
"Now, to whom will you compare Me that I should be equal?" saysthe Holy One.
Isaiah 40:25

- We are told that salvation comes from Jesus who, according to 19 verses in theNew Testament, is "the son of man". However, I found thisinteresting:
"Do not put your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom thereis no salvation!"
Psalm 146:3
(Here are the NT verses in which Jesus calls himself, or is mentioned as, theson of man: Mk 14:21, 2:10, 2:18, 14:62, 10:45, 13:26; Mt 26:24, 24:30, 11:19,16:27, 9:6; Lk 22:22, 7:34, 5:24, 12:8; Jn 3:13, 5:27; Rev 1:13, 14:14)

- We are told that Jesus is the savior and the redeemer. However take note :
I, I am YHVH, and besides Me thereis NO Savior.
Isaiah 43:11
And I am YHVH your God from the landof Egypt, and gods besides Me youshould not know, and there is no savior but Me.
Hosea 13:4
So said YHVH, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel, "I am YHVH yourGod, Who teaches you for your profit, Who leads you by the way you should go.
Isaiah 48:17
Thus said YHVH, your Redeemer, Who formed you in the womb: It is I, YHVH,who made everything, Who alone stretched out the heavens And unaided spread outthe earth;
Isaiah 44:24
For I am YHVH your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior;
Isaiah 43:3

- We are told that the "Law/Commandments" of the Old Testament are toodifficult for us to fulfill and many things are concealed from us, which is whywe need Jesus who fulfilled it all for us and now nothing is concealed.However, take note and realize it ( in mind that this is YHVH, Himself,speaking):
"For this commandment which I command you this day, is not concealedfrom you, nor is it far away.
It is not in heaven, that you should say, "Who will go up to heaven for us and fetch it for us, to tell [it] to us, so that we canfulfill it?"
Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say,"Who will cross to the other side of the sea for us and fetch it for us,to tell [it] to us, so that we can fulfill it?"
Rather,[this] thing is very close to you; it is inyour mouth and in your heart, so that you can fulfill it."
Deuteronomy 30:11-14
 
I'll stop here for now and allow you go through my opinion and Scriptures on all we have discussed .

scosco1: Like I always say I respect everyone's belief ...I enjoy reading ur opinions neither am I saying mine is the best but its good we always take a critical look at most of what is been revealed to us ..pls take ur time and ponder on this observations below please :

- We are told that God came to dwell on the earth as Jesus. However, I found that :
"But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold the heaven and theheaven of heavens cannot contain You; much less this temple that I haveerected."
1 Kings 8:27

- We are told that God came as a human in Jesus to change the way things were tosomething better. However, I found out that :
God is not man to be capricious, Or mortal to change His mind. Would Hespeak and not act, Promise and not fulfill?
Numbers 23:19
Moreover, the Glory of Israel does not deceive or change His mind, for He isnot human that He should change His mind."
1 Samuel 15:29

- We are told that YHVH's glory was given to Jesus and all praise is to Jesus.However, I found out that :
"I am YHVH, that is My Name; and My glory I will NOT give to another,nor My praise to the graven images."
Isaiah 42:8

- We are told that God speaks in types and shadows and we must find those hiddenthroughout Scripture. However, I found this :
"Not in secret did I speak, in a place of a land of darkness; I did notsay to the seed of Jacob, Seek Me, in vain; I am YHVH, Who speaksrighteousness, declares things that are right."
Isaiah 45:19

- We are told that the God of the "Old Testament" changed to a moreloving God through Jesus in the "New Testament". However, note this as well :
And until old age I am the same, and until you turn gray I will carry; Ihave made and I will bear and I will carry and deliver.
Isaiah 46:4

- We are told that Jesus and God are the same, equal, alike. However, I also discovered :
To whom shall you liken Me and make Me equal and compare Me that we may bealike?
Isaiah 46:4,5
And to whom do you compare God, and what likeness do you arrange for Him?
Isaiah 40:18
"Now, to whom will you compare Me that I should be equal?" saysthe Holy One.
Isaiah 40:25

- We are told that salvation comes from Jesus who, according to 19 verses in theNew Testament, is "the son of man". However, I found thisinteresting:
"Do not put your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom thereis no salvation!"
Psalm 146:3
(Here are the NT verses in which Jesus calls himself, or is mentioned as, theson of man: Mk 14:21, 2:10, 2:18, 14:62, 10:45, 13:26; Mt 26:24, 24:30, 11:19,16:27, 9:6; Lk 22:22, 7:34, 5:24, 12:8; Jn 3:13, 5:27; Rev 1:13, 14:14)

- We are told that Jesus is the savior and the redeemer. However take note :
I, I am YHVH, and besides Me thereis NO Savior.
Isaiah 43:11
And I am YHVH your God from the landof Egypt, and gods besides Me youshould not know, and there is no savior but Me.
Hosea 13:4
So said YHVH, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel, "I am YHVH yourGod, Who teaches you for your profit, Who leads you by the way you should go.
Isaiah 48:17
Thus said YHVH, your Redeemer, Who formed you in the womb: It is I, YHVH,who made everything, Who alone stretched out the heavens And unaided spread outthe earth;
Isaiah 44:24
For I am YHVH your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior;
Isaiah 43:3

- We are told that the "Law/Commandments" of the Old Testament are toodifficult for us to fulfill and many things are concealed from us, which is whywe need Jesus who fulfilled it all for us and now nothing is concealed.However, take note and realize it ( in mind that this is YHVH, Himself,speaking):
"For this commandment which I command you this day, is not concealedfrom you, nor is it far away.
It is not in heaven, that you should say, "Who will go up to heaven for us and fetch it for us, to tell [it] to us, so that we canfulfill it?"
Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say,"Who will cross to the other side of the sea for us and fetch it for us,to tell [it] to us, so that we can fulfill it?"
Rather,[this] thing is very close to you; it is inyour mouth and in your heart, so that you can fulfill it."
Deuteronomy 30:11-14
 
I'll stop here for now and allow you go through my opinion and Scriptures on all we have discussed .

Spuggie: seriously??
i suppose raping, murder, rituals, adultery, fornication cannot land a believer in hell. Trust me on this,I love ur version of Christianity

scosco1: Show me where G-d said that in the OT when He was giving them the law(Torah) ...that if you fail one it's as if you failed all ? G-d is a just and righteous G-d ! HE alone gives true justice , justice in the sense that you get the punishment that is equivalent to the wrong that you did ! "he judges according to our deeds" ...G-d will not punish one a homosexual with the same degree of punishment with one who told a lie because he was hungry ! He no longer is a True and just G-d if HE does so ! So show me where when HE was giving the law(Torah) where HE said if you fail one you fail all or the punishment for failing one is equivalent to failing all ? ...deut 30:11 " for this commandment I give you today is not too hard for you , neither is too far " ....

scosco1: Who told you that anyone who breaks any of the commandments is liable to die ?

You say the law is physical ? G-d never said the law(Torah) is restricted to our physical well being. When G-d saves He saves the whole .
-what do you have to say of tithing ?
-Charity ?
-marriage ?
-kindness even to animals ?
-studying the law(Torah) so it doesn't depart from our lips aπϑ heart ?
-Idolatry ?
aπϑ many more . Does the Torah's view on some of these subjects I listed only apply physically or they don't have spiritual implications ?

The law(Torah) is G-d's instruction to mankind . More like an instruction manual from a manufacturer τ̲̅ȍ Ў☺y so Ў☺y enjoy the product . Our Creator gave us guidelines on living within the earth that He created out of His goodness so we can overcome our evil inclination aπϑ enjoy Life.

"G-d is not a man"...God can "appear" as a man but not become a man please. He can appear in forms...that doesn't mean He is what Ў☺y saw !

Judaism suppress christianity ? ...don't know if Ў☺y are famiiar with history ? Please re-read your history books again . Jews have suffered persecution like no other nation in history , more especially in the hands of christians , Ok ?
By the way you are so right with ur figures ...christians are more ! So , who can persecute you Christians except you allow the so as to gain sympathy since its obvious you have such population ! Jews worldwide aren't upto 30milliion even wen am been generous wit the figures . Jews have been persecuted throughout their history even till now that Israel has been reborn in 1948 as state of Israel ! The only Jewish nation in the world !

Death wil cease forever when HaMashiach(Messiah) graces the earth during the messianic era !

" He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it." - isa 25:8

Jsus since he died 2000yrs ago mankind hasn't stopped dying ! We are still dying !

We take G-d by His word , not some spiritual stuffs the christian folks are so gullible too accept . Christians are good at spiritualizing evrything .

scosco1: I read ur views , in as much as I try to avoid sensitive topics as this but cause you mention judaism its good I clear some misconceptions .
Firstly , I'll start with this saying... " the issue of folks still thinking they are born with a debt that they cannot pay has not been found in the Torah or Hebrew scriptures. I put it to you that its a fabrication from the last 2000yrs. Noone for 4000yrs ever heard about an original sin " - Jeff Gilbert .
- that one is saved excpt born in a christian home is not true please. Noone can save except G-d : " See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand." - deut 32:39
" I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour." - Isa 43:11
ONLY G-D SAVES !!

- who is paul to speak for Israel ? Paul rather thrilled the gentiles with philosophy and hellenized ideas. This was a man who practically twisted scripures in ur new testamnt !

- Christianity and Islam are offshoots of Judaism. They all started as one man's idea,self-spiritual journey,self realization and what have you ! G-d revealed and spoke to Israel as a Nation(3million) at Mt.Sinai. Judaism has been for close τ̲̅ȍ 4000yrs and we haven't shown any sign of leaving except G-d has changed ...‎​​ℓ☺ℓ !!

- you say the laws of moses wasn't enough ?,, Search ur scriptures properly ..although you can check this out :-
" 10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.

11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.

12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?

13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?

14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

16 In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;

18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.

19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

20 That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them." - deut 30:10-20

(Please note 30:11-14 ) **

- You say judaism is not a religion of ‎knowledge. ....I don't wanna waste time on that ( jews produce,diffuse aπϑ apply knowledge )

- Jsus isn't Israel's Messiah please ...judaism finds it funny that he is the christian god. The term Messiah means "anointed". This refers to anyone initiated into G-d's service by been anointed with oil. Every king aπϑ prophet was a messiah !
Saul - 1sam26:4
David - 2sam23:1
Prophets - 1kings19:16
Non-Jewish kings - Isa45:1 ...am sure ur bible never called this king THE MESSIAH, however, he is the special anointed one who will usher the world into a future Utopian age, an age of perfection . We should be able to verify this One, who he is .
Don't wanna spend much time on this .

You also gave me that " a man is justified by faith without deeds(works) .... Honestly ur NT always contradicts itself and says something as this " faith without works is dead ..." , can't remember the verse but am sure you are famiiar with it.