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jesusiscoming:just like the parables of Jesus who uses imaginable subjects or objects to represent things in order to explain true life situations,this is a parable by john, it is indirect figure of speech that needs to be explained for proper understanding, now, if you follow the same format Jesus uses to explain one of his parables in Matthew, you will get the true meaning of the mark of the beasts and it's image , the forehead and hand, fire and brimstone. these are all imaginable figures that represent something here. it's like Peter saying,i saw fowls of the air in my vision, then he concluded that fowls of the air represent unclean thing (atleast,he knew fowls of the air represent something,but he misinterpreted it ), meanwhile God says he didn't create anything unclean. this Scripture has made even prominent pastors to jump into conclusion like that, deceiving people. someone who has not read the whole bible from Genesis to revelation over and over again will not possibly understand these revelation. i have read it over and over again, i know what they are [email] jesusiscoming:just like the parables of Jesus who uses imaginable subjects or objects to represent things in order to explain true life situations,this is a parable by john, it is indirect figure of speech that needs to be explained for proper understanding, now, if you follow the same format Jesus uses to explain one of his parables in Matthew, you will get the true meaning of the mark of the beasts and it's image , the forehead and hand, fire and brimstone. these are all imaginable figures that represent something here. it's like Peter saying,i saw fowls of the air in my vision, then he concluded that fowls of the air represent unclean thing (atleast,he knew fowls of the air represent something,but he misinterpreted it ), meanwhile God says he didn't create anything unclean. this Scripture has made even prominent pastors to jump into conclusion like that, deceiving people. someone who has not read the whole bible from Genesis to revelation over and over again will not possibly understand these revelation. i have read it over and over again, i know what they are [/email] jesusiscoming:just like the parables of Jesus who uses imaginable subjects or objects to represent things in order to explain true life situations,this is a parable by john, it is indirect figure of speech that needs to be explained for proper understanding, now, if you follow the same format Jesus uses to explain one of his parables in Matthew, you will get the true meaning of the mark of the beasts and it's image , the forehead and hand, fire and brimstone. these are all imaginable figures that represent something here. it's like Peter saying,i saw fowls of the air in my vision, then he concluded that fowls of the air represent unclean thing (atleast,he knew fowls of the air represent something,but he misinterpreted it ), meanwhile God says he didn't create anything unclean. this Scripture has made even prominent pastors to jump into conclusion like that, deceiving people. someone who has not read the whole bible from Genesis to revelation over and over again will not possibly understand these revelation. i have read it over and over again, i know what they are |
ojimbo:i know all these, there are wicked people in atheism, Islam and other religion too |
asamaigho:really?, anyway, i don't want to go into that. i have already made myself clear |
malvisguy212:you are right! but you know, we live in Africa, most people here don't even know that they are not guilty, they still think that the sin they comit makes them guilty before God just like it makes them guilty before man, they forget that God is not man. that is why, if they hear that kind of message above, it frightened the wit out of them. i have been like that before, until i went to school .so,to avoid a situation where we will put people in fear, we should not stress on this 666 and mark of the beast thing. rather, the best way to get people to repent is to educate them,or let them go to school, so that they can begin to see reasons why they should repent. |
ojimbo:lol.. funny! although it is not enough reason to leave Christianity |
jesusiscoming:no holy book has predicted disaster in our future, everything including 666(we know what the beast represent ) as predicted in revelation has been fulfilled almost 2000 years ago, the persecution of the saints and all that. they have been fulfilled, you don't need to be afraid of the future. the world is moving towards the right direction as God has planned it. the lastest technological developments are all welcomed inventions. they make life easy for us no terrorist or hitler is controlling any robot. if they do, we will know. even Iran wanted to control nuclear power for their domestic need some time ago but , they were sanctioned by the UN, if they had not, it is possible that this latest group called ISIS might siezed the facility for their evil ambition since the middle east is still prone to attacks. so we don't have any fear, relax. yes, it is good to keep the law. it's for our own good. modern law is not asking you to go and marry a fellow man, what the law is saying is that, gay people should be given equal rights and opportunity in the society and they should not be discriminated. otherwise, you are not keeping the law, you are not loving your neighbor as yourself. as the Bible teaches. recent discovery by the DSM classification has show that,same sex attraction is not psychological in nature,that it is just a variation of human sexual orientation,as normal heterosexual. An you know, God created variety of humans for reasons best known to him, we shouldn't question . giving them equal right do not in anyway make you homosexual. |
malvisguy212:this one nor be faith matter o, it is about passing the right information, or you say nothing when you are not sure that what you are about say is the right thing. so that you will not go and put ignorant people in fear. this is what churches have been doing to us in Africa.they put fear in people to achieve something (perhaps money ) from them |
the problem is not any religion itself. the problem is not even atheism. the problem is the heart of man. all men are evil in the heart(including all pastors and imams in Africa ) .religion seek to address the problem of evil in every mans heart, but men (esp in Africa, because most Africans are not educated, they mixed up things with tradition ) totally misunderstand the religion (the Bible and the quran ) they profess, that is why religion has not made nigerians any better. infact, the presence of religion made Nigerians corrupt the more |
the problem is not any religion itself. the problem is not even atheism. the problem is the heart of man. all men are evil in the heart(including all pastors and imams in Africa ) .religion seek to address the problem of evil in every mans heart, but men (esp in Africa, because most Africans are not educated, they mixed up things with tradition ) totally misunderstand the religion (the Bible and the quran ) they profess, that is why religion has marred us |
the problem is not any religion itself. the problem is not even atheism. the problem is the heart of man. all men are evil in the heart(including all pastors and imams in Africa ) .religion seek to address the problem of evil in every mans heart, but men (esp in Africa, because most Africans are not educated, they mixed up things with tradition ) totally misunderstand the religion (the Bible and the quran ) they profess, that is why religion has failed Nigeria |
the problem is not any religion itself. the problem is not even atheism. the problem is the heart of man. all men are evil in the heart(including all pastors and imams in Africa ) .religion seek to address the problem of evil in every mans heart, but men (esp in Africa, because most Africans are not educated, they mixed up things with tradition ) totally misunderstand the religion (the Bible and the quran ) they profess, that is why religion has marred us |
absolutely non sense you are talking rubbish, false imagination which do not correlate with the book of revelation at all and what 666 truly represent in the Bible. on top of your ignorance you put yourself in fear, and you attempt to put other innocent Nigerian christians to share your fear,making their minds focus on this rubbish so that they will remain in perpetual fear, and unproductive in their general lives. just know that fear is torment, and it is devilish repent and desist from it |
enilove:contribution and tithe is not the same thing. in contribution people give willingly. But in tithe, people are cajoled to give, accompanied with threats of robbing God and not getting prosper if you don't pay |
Alexis86:may be the government should think of how to get educated parents, parents who are willing to give birth to limited number of children that are within their financial capacity to train,and let go of african tradition which promotes multiple birth that leads to poverty. that implies that they should invest more on the education sector,update our schools curriculum and make it a quality one, then subsidize it and made tuition fee affordable for the common man and also power to run our education facilities. because, the standard of our schools here in Africa is nothing to write home about |
Alexis86:you are right, born again has been used to separate the goats from the sheep, but at what expense? at the expense of the mental and intellectual development of church members? may be we should device other means to separate the sheep from the goats or our parents should train their children at home so that we will not end up raising goats in churches, because, they made us to believe that born again is the same thing as being saved. meanwhile,there was no salvation as at the time Jesus met Nicodemus, and church members can't develop the intelligence and critical mind to investigate the scripture to see the contradiction behind this , that is not a source of worry to our political and religious leaders. i think it is high time for the educated extract of the Nigerian population start reading the Bible as though it is a mentally, intellectual developing curriculum against reading it for a mere religious and spiritual gratification or we are seen as a laughing stock and as a people in contradiction to the natural human instinct. Europeans who brought Christianity to Africa have overcomed this born again problem, they have a better orientation, even western or black American pastors hardly use the phrase born again, find out. i listen to them a lot . certainly because they are not sure of it origin in Christianity. so we really need a change in Africa |
bestads:that one is ya own. or show me any place in the Bible that says so |
Image123:lol... let me advise you. stay away from too much achohol |
Image123:what OP man is that? i don't have time for men o, i don't need any man to worship God. all men are friends to me. what we are saying is, you may be far better than that oledepo man. you don't need him or his church to worship your God. but incase you are too keen to churching, you just have to be careful they are already talking how oledepo going to course people ...lol |
Alexis86:everybody in church have potential to make wealth, that means, God is not the cause of anybody's poverty, he gives everybody equal ability and opportunity by making rain and sunlight available. but capital, no God didn't give anybody capital, not even dangote. and God will not give anybody capital in church miraculously. it's just that, some people were born into wealth while others into poverty, that differences is not Gods doing. it's a product of right and wrong decisions taken by our forefathers years back. not God. so, we shouldn't go to church to pray for capital. if you find yourself in a poor family, you need capital from your church to start a business and they give it to you, then you are lucky. that means, you were not there for prayer in the first place, but your target was that capital. prayer was a disguise. but so far, how many churches do that? |
Alexis86:lol... do we go to church to contest for air to breath, or to contest for the sunlight to photosynthesize our crops or rainfall,so that we can have food to eat? or do we go church to contest for the strength and wisdom to work hard and acquire wealth? if we truly go to church to contest for these things, of a truth people like aliko dangote would have been poor dogs today. because, dangote i know, is a comited Muslim. he do not go to church in the first place, talkless of contesting |
Image123:it's not about him going bankrupt, it's about winners members not closing their eyes and ears when they ear the truth, so that they can follow that man with caution |
Alexis86:it is not bad praying for car, money, protection. if christians think fellow christians or anybody else are hunting them spiritually, that is a big lie. they should go to babalawo to practice their African traditional diabolism and leave church alone. church should be a place for love. it is true that David was favorite of God,there are other example like Jacob and Esau but that was old testament days. in Christianity, nobody is favorite of God, God is not bias, God loves everybody equally whether you are black or white, poor or rich, short or tall, beautiful or ugly, intelligent or dull |
Alexis86:it is funny... lol |
Alexis86:now, the implication of born again doctrine is that, by virtue of the fact that it makes a christian think he is righteous than any one else in Christianity, it makes that Christian feel that God loves "Him " specially,that he is the favorite of God more than anyone else in Christianity, even in the same congregation. (i have heard pastor adeboye telling his congregation he is the favorite of God than anyone else in that same congregation, and the church members telling themselves i will be more favoured by God today in this church than anyone else ) a situation where the church member will start telling himself, me, me. .and me alone and my love ones, and my friends.. he becomes selfish and bias in his prayers without thinking about the poor church members around him. God give me car God give me money God kill my enemies the doctrine makes christians think that God is bias image a person with this kind of mindset assume a postion of authority by chance, what will he do? he will siphon all the money for himself alone. 99% of Nigeria christians are like that unconsciously, they don't know. because, 99% of them still hold the doctrine of born again . |
Image123:you see now, that the article is true, he cannot possibly don't want uk without anything of such happening |
davdandam:did uk.government not banned Bishop oyedepo from the uk over church corruption yes or no? |
davdandam:ok, tell us the real story as you understood it we will believe you |
Alexis86:if we are to adopt the name Christians we should have it at the back of our mind that Christianity didn't start at Antioch. Antioch didn't save anybody. Christianity started at the cross long before Antioch |
Dan1cole:a word is enough for the wise.. lol |
Dan1cole:i like the question, Paul says in Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. but before then he said in Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel (the Jews ) is, that they might be saved. you know, the Jews had their religion known as Judaism (the jewish faith with the old covenant in the old testament through Abraham their father ),but Christ came and established his religion at crucifixion known as Christianity(the Christian faith with the new covenant in the new testament ) All the intention of Paul preaching was to convert the Jews who were adherents of Judaism to join Christianity which was a new religion at that time. so, to confess the lord Jesus simply means to be convinced that Christianity is the way. assuming i was practicing Judaism at that time Paul was preaching and a Paul comes to preach that Jesus is the Messiah, the moment i begin to see reasons with him and eventually get convinced that he is saying the truth, at that point i have been converted into Christianity deep inside me (i may not even say it out, but i will tell myself deep inside me that he is saying the truth) at that point, i have confessed Christ, at that point, i am saved. i have joined Christianity. Romans 1:17 says For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. from faith to faith there simply means, from Judaism to Christianity in the context Paul's understanding. therefore, we are justified by our faith Christianity. that also implies that if you were born into a Christian home (and not Islamic home or the home of any other religion ) you are saved automatically. Romans 10:10 says For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. a believer is anybody in Christianity an unbeliever is anybody outside Christianity, people of other religion. because they do not believe in Christ. it's as simple as that. to answer your question, if i have confessed and accepted Him as my Lord and personal savior with my mouth? the answer is YES. everybody who were born and brought up a christian are saved automatically. Paul says Romans 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ(die as a Christian ), we believe that we shall also live with him(live again as a Christian ) eternal life is real we shall resurrect again. that one is another matter. but, what i am telling you now is, i am saved |
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Dan1cole:not just Nicodemus believe and get. baptized with water only, but he must also abandon all that he had or sell them and give the money to the poor and join the multitude of disciples to follow Jesus to Jerusalem. that was the only way he could see the kingdom of God. the kingdom of God was to be established at Jerusalem at crucifixion so, born again simply means, disciples abandoning all that they had to follow Christ to Jerusalem where the kingdom of God is to be revealed (that is why revelation described the kingdom of God as the new Jerusalem.revelation 21:2 ).Peter told Jesus in Matthew 19:27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and FOLLOW THEE ; what shall we have therefore? Jesus also says in Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have FOLLOWED ME, (at the generation when he was yet on earth before he was crucified), in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory(the generation after the crucifixion ), ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.. this is the generation we belong to, there was change of generation at crucifixion. so it was all about following Christ in those days, that is was what born again meant i bring that parable again in John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. the wind there represent the multitude of disciples who followed Jesus, Nicodemus heard about them, he saw the crowd coming as they passes towards Jerusalem,he didn't know where they were coming from and there they were going to,but it was expected that he should join them and follow , that was what Jesus wanted. today,in this present generation, we believe that Christ has died, therefore the kingdom of God has been established on earth. (if you take note, i was using "was", because all those things were pass tense ) today,we in chriatianity are all part of that kingdom,we are already sitting on 12 thrones so long we believe, we don't need to follow again as the disciples did (ofcourse Christ has ascended, we don't see him phycally again to follow ), we don't need born again again,Judas Iscariot was born again, he believed in that generation, he was baptized, but he missed the kingdom. we are better than Judas Iscariot the kingdom of God(Christianity) is far better than born again even the least person in christianity today is better than john the Baptist(Matthew 11:11) john the Baptist was born again, it is not everybody who believe that followed Christ outrightly, so long you believe in christ that generation you were born again. but you were not up to a state to be called a christian because christ has not yet died but in this generation,alll we need to do is believe only |
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