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Christianity Etc › Re: Everybody In Christianity Are Saved. No Matter How Terrible You Think You Are by paxonel(op): 11:50pm On Sep 14, 2014*

sammoe: paxonel, I beg to differ with you on this: " we are all saved. so long were born into a
christian home and not in the family of any
other religion".

Only a personal confession as a result of deep conviction can save one. i.e.being born again.

that is true, only a personal confession and conviction can save
and for anybody to confess Christ ( that is,saying JESUS IS LORD OR THE MESSIAH ) that means he is convinced
you see, everybody in christianity confesses that. they know it, they are already convinced that Jesus is the Messiah. we were made to be convinced by our parents as we grow up from childhood so it is an advantage to us because it will be very difficult for non christians to made us believe otherwise thereby making us loose our salvation (you will understand this better if you understand the concept of eternal life which i will discuss later, for eternal life is real ) so if anybody outside christianity (people of other religion ) eventually get convinced that person is automatically saved. remember the thief that was crufied with Jesus. what saved him at that point was because he was convinced that Jesus was the Christ, not because he repented from his sin (please repentance is good o, but repentance can't save anybody)
and Romans 10:9 also confirm that you are automatically saved once you are convinced that Jesus is the Messiah
so an evangelist (like paul in the bible ) is a person who preach to convince non christians to join Christianity.
then pastors take over to groom them
pastors are not suppose to win souls in church (ofcouse you don't see Muslims in church ) but to groom souls that have already be won by evangelists
talking about born again, the concept we christians of this generation we have about born again is very wrong and contradictory . infact right now as i am talking to you we are yet to understand what Jesus meant by born again to Nicodemus
you know there is time for everything. there was the time when Jesus was yet alive on earth before he was crucified (popularly known as the days of John the bapist ) and there is another time which is after the crucifixion where christianity was fully established on earth (the days of the kingdom of. God )
these two eras are not the same
so if Jesus at the time when he was yet to be crucified (which means there was no salvation as at then ) asked Nicodemus to get saved by saying you must be born again, I mean,where is the sense there? will Nicodemus save himself by himself?
I know these things require a level of thinking to understand but if you can think you will see the contradiction there
the worst is, christians who begin to see themselves righteous by their works now hijacked the name born again and begin to boast that they are righteous. they even say they are perfect (ministry of perfection )
i will later explain extensively what Jesus described as born again to Nicodemus when he said marvel not that i say you must be born again (meaning, don't be supprise, i want to tell you what i mean by born again )
John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
this is a parable describing an event, i will explain later please
i don too talk
but just think over it

Christianity Etc › Everybody In Christianity Are Saved. No Matter How Terrible You Think You Are by paxonel(op): 6:49pm On Sep 14, 2014

we are all saved. so long were born into a christian home and not in the family of any other religion.we are saved because we belong to the Christian faith called Christianity and not in any other religion
the point is most times when we read bible we fail to see the picture what the bible is trying to let us see
Romans 10:1 Paul says Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
this point to the fact that Israel a country for the jews who had the old covenant through Abraham belong to a religion known as Judaism just like Muslims belonging to a religion known as islam therefore the jews were not saved
Judaism ( Jews) had their righteousness through the law of moses which was not enough, so they needed the righteousness of God through Christ (the founder of Christianity) for them to be saved
Romans 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
that means Judaism(the Jews ) also believe in God just like Islam believe in God,yet they were not saved
that also means that for them to be saved they must have the knowledge which is to abandon their Judaism to join Christianity which is the religion Jesus christ established
and the only way they could join christianity was for them to believe in Jesus by being convinced in the heart that Jesus is the Messiah (the coming Christ )
Romans 10:9 says That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
to confess there is the point where they are truly convinced.at that point they they will exclaim OF A TRUTH THAT JESUS WE CRUCIFIED IS THE MESSIAH. that is the confess, confession is exclamation
so salvation is simply a change of religion, from any religion into Christianity
Romans 8:1 says There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
to be in Christ Jesus there means to be in Christianity and not in any other religion, that also means every Christian do not walk after the flesh but after the spirit because Jesus Christ (the founder of Christianity )is the holy spirit in us
Christianity is our faith. we are justified into salvation by Christianity our faith and not by works
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
You can see that churches (especially in Africa ) have not been telling us the truth, all of them.

Christianity Etc › Re: If Rapture Take Place,who Will Remain On Earth? by paxonel(m): 8:27am On Sep 07, 2014

balaclava: I dnt knw wt other religions say but for christianity, What i learnt in my Sunday school is this:

Rapture is the sudden catching up of saints to meet with the lord in the air, Which is same as the sudden appearance of Christ in the air to recieve the believers after their bodies has been tranformed to immortality.

After the believers are caught up (both the dead n the living), the unbelievers will be left on earth for a 7 years period of TRIBULATION
in which the Anti-christ(beast/Satan in flesh)will be revealed TO REIGN AND RULE over those left and the dead unbelievers will still be in the ground. During this same period the Believers will still be in the air with Christ.
Those who do not receive the mark of the beast During this period of 7 yrs will suffer UNDESCRIBABLE hardship cos the mark will be
a means of livelihood but they will be with Christ at his coming to reign on earth If they endure.

After this period of 7 years satan will be bound by an Angel n locked in a bottomless pit for 1000 years.
In this same period of 1000 yrs Christ will descend with the believers and reign on Earth but will be located on a part of the earth called New Jerusalem along with those that did not receive the mark of the beast. At this period those that recieve the mark are still on earth though not in the new Jerusalem.

After this period Satan will b set loose from the bottomless pit, he will gather his people again and decieve those who have heard about the new Jerusalem, they will decide to war with the Christ and the believers in the new Jerusalem, But God will release a consuming fire to defeat them.

After God has defeated them, all the believers and unbelievers will come before God and will be judged accordingly, the believers judgement is for recieving of rewards and damnation for unbelievers. The unbelievers and satan will all be cast into the lake of fire for eternity.

What the book of revelations according to the teachings did not say is if the believers will continue to reign or earth as the Heaven or they will be taken to an entirely new place call Heaven. God is unsearchable.

Everybody will be in either of the two; HEAVEN OR HELL.

hmmm

balaclava: I dnt knw wt other religions say but for christianity, What i learnt in my Sunday school is this:

Rapture is the sudden catching up of saints to meet with the lord in the air, Which is same as the sudden appearance of Christ in the air to recieve the believers after their bodies has been tranformed to immortality.

After the believers are caught up (both the dead n the living), the unbelievers will be left on earth for a 7 years period of TRIBULATION
in which the Anti-christ(beast/Satan in flesh)will be revealed TO REIGN AND RULE over those left and the dead unbelievers will still be in the ground. During this same period the Believers will still be in the air with Christ.
Those who do not receive the mark of the beast During this period of 7 yrs will suffer UNDESCRIBABLE hardship cos the mark will be
a means of livelihood but they will be with Christ at his coming to reign on earth If they endure.

After this period of 7 years satan will be bound by an Angel n locked in a bottomless pit for 1000 years.
In this same period of 1000 yrs Christ will descend with the believers and reign on Earth but will be located on a part of the earth called New Jerusalem along with those that did not receive the mark of the beast. At this period those that recieve the mark are still on earth though not in the new Jerusalem.

After this period Satan will b set loose from the bottomless pit, he will gather his people again and decieve those who have heard about the new Jerusalem, they will decide to war with the Christ and the believers in the new Jerusalem, But God will release a consuming fire to defeat them.

After God has defeated them, all the believers and unbelievers will come before God and will be judged accordingly, the believers judgement is for recieving of rewards and damnation for unbelievers. The unbelievers and satan will all be cast into the lake of fire for eternity.

What the book of revelations according to the teachings did not say is if the believers will continue to reign or earth as the Heaven or they will be taken to an entirely new place call Heaven. God is unsearchable.

Everybody will be in either of the two; HEAVEN OR HELL.

hmmm, what a story ! may be we should use this story to develop a epic movie, i think it will sell
thanks to the ancient Catholic church who after restricting the scriptures for only their priests to interprete for decades (men who never had university education but were restricted to the knowledge and reasoning of the ancient orthodox seminary ) and this foolish current generation of christians are still holding this story which contradict the core ideas of the bible to be the hope of their calling,neglecting natural reasoning
this is the very senseless teaching they used to teach us in deeper life when we were little to make us live in fear, thank God we have grown up, gone to school, read the bible for ourselves, know the truth and we are now free
God will resque Christianity from very evil teachings that will undermine it purpose on earth, the purpose of restoring back that eternal life on earth which mankind lost as a result of the sin adam and eve commited so that through christ we will be able to fulfill the original mandate that God gave when he created mankind
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
right now as I'm talking to you, Christ has come and died, we are working on this mandate unknowingly, we are going to school,building,developing our environments,you think God is a fool?and some foolish christians who can't! understand bible are teaching, saying rapture and put themselves in unnecessary fear and others.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Do Christians Mean By "Its Your Heart That Matters" by paxonel(m): 7:23am On Sep 07, 2014

cbrass: Most times I get confused and amused at the folly by some self acclaimed christians.

1. A guy just finished fornication or masturbating and he will say "ITS YOUR HEART THAT MATTERS"

2. A lady dress so skimpy, infact you can see through her dress, but if you challenge her on this she will say "ITS YOuR HEART THAT MATTERS"

3. Most church choirs have suddenly get tired of singing the original christian hymns hence they convert world songs and beats and sing it in church to the point that fuji music as been branded to Gopsel-Fuji, if you challenge them they will say "ITS YOUR HEART THAT MATTERS"

4. To round it all, a pastor caught in adultery ,when challenged will just say" WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE". That's after reminding you that "ITS YOUR HEART THAT MATTERS".

IT'S YOUR HEART THAT MATTERS means if your conscience tells you what you are doing is sin stop doing it
the only things that are sin from what you have mentioned are a guy commiting fornication in no1. and the pastor commiting adultery in no 4

Christianity Etc › Re: Adultery Allegation Is A Distortion Of Facts: Oyakhilome's Lawyer Kemi Pinheiro by paxonel(m): 4:25pm On Sep 06, 2014

chibwike: Lol.....my brother mastturbation is one hell of an addictive sin...thats killing 80% of our youths today...ask people who perform d act...trust me most of dem feel guity afta it.....they wanna stop it..buh they cant....it weakens one's spiritual life...it brings about lust....its just not a gud thing.

lol..nor make me laugh o, where you get all these information from? please masturbation is never addiction everybody masturbate. even you that is talking masturbate
do you call the food you eat addiction simply because it is sweet? no
let me tell you what masturbation is incase you don't known, i study science so i know exactly what masturbation is
self-service is simply the stimulation of
your genitals knowingly or unknowingly
sometimes you are sleeping and
unconciously you begin stimulate your
genitals,that is self-service. it's not bad, it
shows that you are healthy,it's a natural
process designed by God to check excess
accumulation of Fluid in your reproductive
system which may be detrimental to your
health
every human being on earth do it so long
you belong what is known as animal
kingdom especially phylum vertebrata
and you know that humans are higher
animals
this one you are saying youths feel guilty do they kill anybody by masturbating?
they feel guilty because they have been fed fat by tradition and religion over the years that masturbation is a sin
incase you don't know what sin is, sin is simply breaking any of the laws in the 10 commandments. thou shall not steal,thou shall not lie, thou shall not bear false witness, thou shall not commit adultery, thou shall not kill etc
so, man let go of african traditions that are against justice for they are the chief course of backwardness in Africa o

Christianity Etc › Re: Adultery Allegation Is A Distortion Of Facts: Oyakhilome's Lawyer Kemi Pinheiro by paxonel(m): 4:03pm On Sep 06, 2014

dollarlander: Can you see what your life has turned to. You are supporting mastturbation.

Well, since revelation is progressive soonest adultery and formication will be delisted from acts of sin.

Mastturbation is an act of animals, chimpanzees, baboon. Also, it is an act of idol worshipping by pharaoh mastturbating over the river Nile.

Go and do your research very well and you will see mastturbation in Africa. If bill Clinton fired a medical personnel in his government for speaking in support of mastturbation, I expect church to do more.

Are these the gospel according to your pastor, since the book of acts did not end, will God allow gospel according to your pastor be included in the bible afterthis world? God forbid.

The God who have delivered me from the evil acts of mastturbation in this world will not let me read it in any book in the world to come.

don't be ignorant, there is no masturbation in the bible, I thought you wanted to show me where masturbation is mentioned in the bible
and don't tell me you don't masturbate, i study science, i know what masturbation is
masturbation is simply the stimulation of your genitals knowingly or unknowingly
sometimes you are sleeping and unconciously you begin stimulate your genitals,that is masturbation. it's not bad, it shows that you are healthy,it's a natural process designed by God to check excess accumulation of semen in your reproductive system which may be detrimental to your health
every human being on earth do it so long you belong what is known as animal kingdom especially phylum vertebrata
and you know that humans are higher animals
so, that your assertion that God delivered you is born from ignorance, not God
check yourself
incase you are not satisfy feel free, enter any hospital in your neighborhood and ask any medical doctor, don't die in ignorance

Christianity Etc › Re: Adultery Allegation Is A Distortion Of Facts: Oyakhilome's Lawyer Kemi Pinheiro by paxonel(m): 6:14pm On Sep 05, 2014

chibwike: since dis man approved massturbation....i stopped taking him serious.

Yes, it is people like you we need to eliminate from Nigerian population. tell me you don't masturbate because no animal alive does not masturbate. you see how ignorant and primitive Africa is
thank God,the few of us who seek for knowledge and understanding now know the truth about masturbation as oppose to Africa primitive ideology
and thank God, the bible who never said anything about masturbation did not originated from Africa otherwise primitive african people like you would have included in it that masturbation is a sin

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by paxonel(m): 3:32pm On Sep 04, 2014

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OLAADEGBU: Was Abraham circumcised when he was counted righteous by God?

"Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust" (John 5:45).

It is flapdoodle to claim to believe the NT without also believing the OT.

ahahahaaahaah! you dey make me laff, i beg i nor get your time again, see your argument
ahahaahaaaahaa grin

OLAADEGBU: Was Abraham circumcised when he was counted righteous by God?

"Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust" (John 5:45).

It is flapdoodle to claim to believe the NT without also believing the OT.

ahahahaaahaah! you dey make me laff, i beg i nor get your time again, see your argument
ahahaahaaaahaa

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by paxonel(m): 9:33am On Sep 04, 2014

sorry, i do not fall into that category o accuser of the brethren. it was the jews that fell into that category because they refused to believe that Jesus was the Messiah, if they had believed,they wouldn't have seek to kill him
i believe in Jesus, I'm a Christian therefore i am saved.
you can see now that your claim that i fall into that category do not follow (a fallacy known as non sequito )
talking about circucision have you read Galatians 5:6?
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
we are in Jesus Christ (the founder of Christianity )so circumcision does not matter again
may be you are a follower of Abraham (you are in Judaism, not in Christianity ) that is why you lay so much emphasies on this circumcision thing
i want to advice you join Christianity for your salvation @olaadegbu

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Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by paxonel(m): 7:48am On Sep 04, 2014

OLAADEGBU: You fall into the category of people Jesus was talking to in the following verse:

"They answered and said to him, Abraham is our father. Jesus said to them. If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill me, a man that has told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham" (John 8:39-40)

Now compare that to what Paul said of Abraham:

"And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised" (Romans 4:12).

So, if you don't walk in the steps of Abraham we should question your claim in Christ.

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by paxonel(m): 12:57am On Sep 04, 2014

OLAADEGBU: That is prolix. The question is; are you a child of Abraham or not?

"And if you be Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Galatians 3:29).

in otherwords, if you be not in christ then you are not Abrahams seed, whether you are a jew or gentile
does that make the jews not Abraham's seed in the real (physical ) sense? no
I think it is straightforward enough to understand, except you can't think
i know that the average Nigerian Christian don't think when they read Bible, all they want to see in the Bible is the one their pastors told them in church, it is affecting them negatively and making the kingdom of God unattractive in general, they don't know

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Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by paxonel(m): 7:42pm On Sep 03, 2014

OLAADEGBU: Why should you pay when you don't consider yourself to be a child of Abraham?

no, every Christian is a child of Abraham in the spirit, not in physical. because the justification (the aim ) of the crucifixion of Jesus christ which made us the spiritual decendants of Abraham is something purely spiritual
physically, the jews are decendants of Abraham but we are not, we are only spiritual decendants so let the jews continue to pay,.tithe payment is physical just like any other payment or transaction in banks, it is their traditional law
we are Yoruba, igbo, hausa etc
i don't know if understand me

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Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by paxonel(m): 6:05pm On Sep 03, 2014*

OLAADEGBU: What about tithing before the Law? Is that not in the Bible?

what law? there are many laws in the Bible. the 10 commandments are laws, the Jewish traditional laws are also there which tithing was one of them
I am a Yoruba guy, if i should go and make laws of tithe payment in our Yoruba land and ask the jews to come and pay, will they pay?
why are we putting ourselves in the boundage of other people tradition in the name of religion?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Britons Oppose Oyedepo's School Over "Slaps-Giving" Video by paxonel(m): 6:45am On Sep 01, 2014

akom0908: I don't make bad remarks about pastors cos I don't want curse.I don't know what to say

don't make bad remarks about anybody either, not even your little ones at home, because surely you will get that curse if you do

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Christianity Etc › Re: Britons Oppose Oyedepo's School Over "Slaps-Giving" Video by paxonel(m): 6:38am On Sep 01, 2014

Dreal1247: Why not use the performance of his schools to judge him? They are just hell cent to stop this man, but they cannot. Water no get enemy.

what do you mean by the phrase "stop this man"? stop him of what? please specify o African

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Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by paxonel(m): 5:11pm On Aug 31, 2014

OLAADEGBU: Tithes and Offerings
February 6, 2013.

"Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it" (Malachi 3:10).

Today there is much talk of financial security. The biblical formula in today’s verse, given to Israel, but applied to all,
egins with a scathing indictment. "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings" (v. 8 ). What a terrible thing, to rob God. The result of their thievery, in God’s eyes: "Ye are cursed with a curse" (v. 9), such that their financial state was much worse than it would have been had they been obedient. This teaching and promise has not been rescinded (Luke 6:38; 1 Corinthians 16:2; etc.).

God’s charge to us as given in today’s verse is in three steps. First, we are told to obey; i.e., "bring ye." This cannot be considered an option. Secondly, God proposes a test. "Prove me," He says, give and see if He lives up to His promises. Thirdly, trust His promise to meet our needs.

Note that His promise is also threefold. It abundantly covers present needs, for He promises to "pour you out a blessing" unmeasurable in quality or quantity. Likewise, it covers the threat of future loss. "And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field" (v. 11). Most precious is His promise to reward obedience and trust with a special relationship: "All nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land" (v. 12).

Thus we see that with less than 100 percent of our income at our disposal, we will have greater financial security than if we had kept it all to ourselves, thereby robbing God. JDM

For more . . . .

lets be sincere,this argument is not sound at all (full of fallacies)
thank God you say the biblical formular was given to isreal before christ was crucified.How does it concern us in christianity?
if muslims read quran that there was payment of tithe and begin to ask us in christianity to pay, will you pay?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Chris Oyakhilome's Wife Files For Divorce Over Adultery by paxonel(m): 4:00pm On Aug 29, 2014

Youngsage:
Diaris Godu in everything we are doing. You this Pastor. You see, God have catch you. Kontinu. Kontinu oh. Is it good? You think sey na only you waka come abi?

Now America has known all the things you have been doing, she have know.

But Final Judgement day his still coming. keep it up.

shut up! the story is not true
fake
next time don't carry fake info from foolish websites
if vanguard, punch, sun news etc are not carrying the story know that it is fake
have you ever seen a divorce suit that takes more than three months to finalize before?
during this Three months what is Anita and chris doing?
looking at themselves waiting for lawyers?
una nor well

Christianity Etc › Re: Chris Oyakhilome's Wife Files For Divorce Over Adultery by paxonel(m): 3:55pm On Aug 29, 2014

Youngsage:
Diaris Godu in everything we are doing. You this Pastor. You see, God have catch you. Kontinu. Kontinu oh. Is it good? You think sey na only you waka come abi?

Now America has known all the things you have been doing, she have know.

But Final Judgement day his still coming. keep it up.

shut up! the story is not true
fake
next time don't carry fake info from foolish websites
if vanguard, punch, sun news etc are not carrying the story know that it is fake

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Should Christians Go To Church? How Important Is It? by paxonel(m): 9:36am On Aug 26, 2014

Kingmee: what is your point in trying hard to derail this thread?.....the OP gave his reason why attending church gathering is very beneficial to him and decide to share that with others here bt all you've been doing is arguing over words and vocabularies.
pls., create your own thread and explain your point/s there.
btw, the OP want to chat with you privately over your questions but you refused the offer.....tell us what you really want, pls.

who is this one? What is your own? he says i should check his signature for his whatsapp number i checked it i didn't see it,
anyway, I think he is intelligent, he should begin to think and understand what i talking.
we have suffered a lot in Africa. poverty and corruption is everywhere because the very tenets we derived our moral values in our Islamic and Christian teachings as a nation are in contradiction to the natural human instinct
we have become a people where other white nations are describing as black monkeys, if you have ever travelled abroad you will know what i am talking about
so what i want is change, and the only way we can get that change for Nigeria and our unborn children is to interprete the Bible accurately which no pastor in Nigeria has done yet, that is the only way that the truth can set Nigeria free
have you ever wondered inspite all the churches we have Nigeria is rated among the corrupt in world?
it's like the more church and mosque we go the more corrupt we are
so what i want is change

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Should Christians Go To Church? How Important Is It? by paxonel(m): 11:13am On Aug 25, 2014

Alexk2: hmmm., now you agree with my first warning of not missing things up....i'm glad you now @ least understand that religious takes us nowhere and Christianity is a lifestyle of people who truely/sincerely believe in Christ and are following His ways.
I'm contented bt letz chat privately, pls....check my signature for my whatsapp no.

I didn't miss anything. if you say christianity is not religion which is true to some extent then christians should not be so mindful of church going, they should stay in their house and live a religious free lifestyle like you say Christianity is. Because whether you like it or not church going or gathering is a religious practice which makes Christianity a religion
i tried to distinguish it from this view, that there is difference between The CHURCH and church ( the church we gather ). that THE CHURCH is the body of Christ which is the kingdom of God, the totality of all churches which comprises Catholic, Anglican, winners, deeper life, rccg etc, which we should be mindful of over the church we attend or gather,and that the church we gather is religion that we should not take it seriously, you say i am confused
unfortunately, 96% of Nigerian christians still have that mindset, they got it from Nigerian pastors, all of them, nigerian pastors like reading old testament. Nigerian christians are so dedicated to their churches that it has become a tradition to go to church to work (they call it i am working for God), they so dedicated in church that they are practically unaware that there is an entity called THE CHURCH that they should be dedicated and commited to, this is why Christianity lark unity of purpose in Africa

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Should Christians Go To Church? How Important Is It? by paxonel(m): 5:18pm On Aug 24, 2014

Alexk2: pls., where do u belong?....tell me your church name/fellowsp/group or whatever you choose to call it.
I'll know the right reply to give to you after you sincerely answer the above question.

i am not interested in church, all i am interested is the kingdom of God which comprises all churches. Catholic, Anglican, winners, rccg, cgm,cac, Christ embassy etc, even aladura, so long you believe in Jesus Christ and not in Muhammad or any other religion.
that means i attend any church, somtimes i don't go at all, having this understanding that so long i believe all things (including religion ) is subjected under me. so i am not a religious minded person at all, i just live my life, freestyle and love everybody

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Should Christians Go To Church? How Important Is It? by paxonel(m): 4:01pm On Aug 19, 2014

nathanyl77: You don't know why u gather in church on sunday.

you see what i talking about? Nigerian christians don't even know the reason why they should gather

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Should Christians Go To Church? How Important Is It? by paxonel(m): 12:14am On Aug 18, 2014

@alexk2, do you define church as a gathering? I think you are the most confused there. where in the Bible did you see that church means gathering?
please there is difference between a subject and an object , THE CHURCH is subjective while gathering is refered to an object (building collecting people ) which is not what Jesus meant when he said in
Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church....
Jesus was simply saying upon Peter (through Peter ) I will build people, he didn't say i will gather people in one place
the implication of that is you are part of that church to shine your light to the locality where ever you find yourself on the surface of this earth so long you believe, you don't need to gather.
now think about this because the problem i have with Africans, they abandoned their brain when they read Bible, all African pastors are guilty,
Matthew 24:2 says And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
if Jesus could throw down the temple (building ) of the jews (you should understand what that means) what makes you think Jesus is interested in constructing buildings to house or gather Christians? are buildings not material (carnal ) things compared to the eternal life that is in you? you people don't think at all
like I said before I am not against christians gathering to learn the Bible but gathering is not the primary calling. infact if there is no need to learn there is no point gathering
what should we learn when gather? we ought to learn moral values which is the 10 commandments that says love your neighbor as yourself so that we will not come back again to learn.
it is only when we know these values that we can live a better life and be happy on earth and stop going to church
ofcourse nobody forget Christ died for his or her sins, I know nigerians, very religious people. even diabolism join their religious practice so nor just worry, they wont forget
you say i should read Hebrews 10:25
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
remember i told you that in those days because there were few people who believe because Christianity was still young and the jews were notorious for going among the brethren to deceive them that Christianity is not the way so there was need for Christians to gather, not forsaking the gathering and to exhort ( encourage themselves to remain in the faith, consequently,Paul had to be writing letters to the churches just to keep them in the faith
but today, Christianity is now biggest religion in the world so why the gathering again? can't you think?
even if you choose to forsake the gathering will anybody slap you? no
that verse didn't mention any verdict or punishment for anybody who forsake the gathering so you just being afraid unnecessarily
please quit fear,fear is torment

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Should Christians Go To Church? How Important Is It? by paxonel(m): 5:42pm On Aug 17, 2014

Alexk2: Here are some irreplaceable pieces of the Christian that cannot happen when you live in isolation from the church:

1.

USE OF SPIRITUAL GIFTS - I Corinthians 12 makes it clear that God has given spiritual gifts to every Christian. And verse 7 states unmistakably that these abilities are not provided to make you feel good; they are abilities to minister that should be used for the common good! I Peter 4:10 commands us to use spiritual gifts to help each other.

The same passage makes it clear that we meet with other Christians so they can use their gifts to strengthen us. God's gift of a preacher or teacher is wasted if no one comes to hear them speak.
2.

MUTUAL MINISTRY - The church is pictured as a body in I Corinthians 12, and Paul explains that each part of the body exists to meet the needs of other body parts. In the same way, God intends each of us to meet the needs of other believers, using our strengths to help in their areas of weakness. I Corinthians 12:21 expresses it this way: "The eye cannot say to the hand, I have no need of you." Neither can a Christian claim to be self-sufficient today.

The New Testament is full of “one another” commands. We are to comfort one another (I Thessalonians 4:18), build up one another (I Thessalonians 5:11), confess our sins to one another (James 5:16), pray for one another (James 5:16), and many more. How can we obey these directives if we stay away from the gathering of believers?
3.

ACCOUNTABILITY - God designed the church as a place where spiritual leaders could watch out for our welfare, as a shepherd guards the sheep (I Peter 5:1-4; Hebrews 13:17). A Chris.tian who answers only to himself can easily rationalize. sinful attitudes or actions; regular contact with other Christians can keep us sharp.

A single verse should actually be sufficient answer for this question: Hebrews 10:25 warns its readers against “forsaking the assembly of yourselves together, as the manner of some is.”

I want to say that THE CHURCH and church are not the same thing. THE CHURCH is the body of christ which is people, not building or place. so if you go to any building or place called church just know that if any bad thing happen to you, you are on your own because pastors can do you anyhow, they are not GOD,they are humans and are prone to mistakes
Jesus christ build his people (The CHURCH ) but pastors.build building or place (church )
THE CHURCH started in the book of act with about only 120 people. because there were this few people in the kingdom of God (THE CHURCH ) in those days it was necessary that christians should gather, to encourage one another to remain in that new faith (THE CHURCH or Christianity ) which was very new and small at that time, but today Christianity has grown so big and it is spread worldwide such that there is no point gathering again because expansion (getting more people to believe ) and spreading was the reason for gathering and encouragement , so no point gathering again
if we are gathering to learn moral values from the bible then only that will justify the reason why we should gather, but so far our religious leaders (pastors ) have failed to teach nigerians moral values that is why Nigeria is corrupt so stop going to church
if you are already morally upright stop going or gathering,it's of no use just live your secular life and enjoy it. too much religious mindedness is bad
do you still have this mindset that we gather to worship? you better change that mindset for your own good for Jesus in his statement says a time will come when no man shall go to mountain or temple again to worship. that time is now

Christianity Etc › Re: The Cause Of All Christians Suffering And Affliction. by paxonel(m): 8:13am On Aug 14, 2014

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I've read through the article, please i want to ask, what is the kingdom of God? is the kingdom of God already here with us or we are still waiting for it to come?

Christianity Etc › Re: TWILIGHT: The Sun And Moon Darken, The Stars Fall From Heaven. by paxonel(m): 12:14am On Aug 13, 2014

MrPresident1: You are afraid my friend. See he said treating, but you saw threatening. So just calm down.

The coming of Jesus should not make you afraid or scared, it should fill you with joy and anticipation. Whether you like it or not, you are living in slavery, and Yashua is coming to liberate you from your brother's heavy yoke on your neck.

The Bible says 'immediately after the tribulation of those days', what does this mean?

When the kingdom of heaven is restored to Israel (Negroes), many of us are going to be astounded at our servitude. We were never meant to be the servants, we were meant to be the rulers. Our devolution is the wonder of the world!!! Kings became slaves, just how did The Most High pull this off? It will be revealed when the veil is off. He said he will 'cause the pomp of the proud to cease'

The tribulation refers to slave trade, colonialism, Ebola, Hiv, lynchings, unfair trading practices etc. We were never meant to be like this, but we became corrupted and we got punished. We are the Dearly Beloved of His Soul!!!

Jesus is coming back to restore the kingdom to us.

So my scared friend, lol, quit fear, lol. Start practicing more of Ecclesiastes 12:13 and you would be just fine

I thought i was communicating with sound minds ahaahaahaaa! una dey make me laugh. I was the one that used the word THREATENING, I didn't say TREATING. who said TREATING? and where did you got the word TREATING from in this conversation? you are diverting to talk many irrelevant things . if anybody had used the word TREATING quote out the place let's see. ahahahaahhhaa!

Christianity Etc › Re: TWILIGHT: The Sun And Moon Darken, The Stars Fall From Heaven. by paxonel(m): 3:45pm On Aug 12, 2014

Funniest quote ever. Ok, so how is the Kingdom treating you, brutha. grin

You better come out of this strong delusion you are in.[/quote]i didn't say the kingdom of God is threatening me.

Christianity Etc › Re: TWILIGHT: The Sun And Moon Darken, The Stars Fall From Heaven. by paxonel(m): 10:55pm On Aug 11, 2014

[quote author=MrPresident1]Your drivel is powered by ignorance.
And no one is threatening anyone, if you feel my post is threatening, then you need to check your stand with God. I have only tried to break down scripture couched in allegory.

All over the Bible, whenever expressions such as the sun and the moon darkening, the stars and constellations not giving their light are used, they usually describe periods of great distress.

Yashua says the sun and moon will darken and the stars will not give her light and that is when he will return. He will return in a time of great distress in the world. You will do well to re-read and try to comprehend.

Isaiah 13:9-10
9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Ezekiel 32:7
7 And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.
8 All the bright lights of heaven will I make dark over thee, and set darkness upon thy land, saith the Lord GOD.
9 I will also vex the hearts of many people, when I shall bring thy destruction among the nations, into the countries which thou hast not known
Read also Joel 2:10 and Joel 3:15 and educated yourself out of fear and ignorance.[/quote
you say the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, AND THAT IS WHEN HE WILL RETURN, sorry! did you see THAT IS WHEN HE WILL RETURN there? or it is your own version?
look my friend you can't fool everybody like that, All these things you just quoted in Isaiah, Ezekiel or Jeremiah are all prophesies which pointed at the day Jesus with come and die for mankind which has already pass. not in the future. Jesus has already come and died and reveal the kingdom of God on earth therefore the kingdom of God is already in you
Colossians 1:13 says Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son
it didn't say he promise that he is going to translate us into his kingdom in the future when he will return rather he has translated us into his kingdom already
1 Thessalonians 2:12 says That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory
so we have been called into his kingdom already
you see why i describe your post as empty and unnecessary threat to Christians? christians are already there, you want to give them the impression that they are not yet there so that they will continue to remain in fear
95% of Nigerian christians and all Nigerian pastors are guilty of this error you are doing that is why this country is not moving forward
na God go judge una

Christianity Etc › Re: Obey God's Commandments - No Tithes No Heaven by paxonel(m): 4:55pm On Aug 09, 2014

@alchemist, OK, I understand you

Christianity Etc › Re: Obey God's Commandments - No Tithes No Heaven by paxonel(m): 7:39am On Aug 09, 2014

what I'm saying is, certain Jewish laws such as circumcision, tithe, dietary law, feast, Sabbath, etc should not be enforced.they are optional. if you like keep them,if you like ignore them, if you ignore them God is not offended. nobody will slap you
even the laws in 10 commandments there are only six of them that should be enforced which are
thou shall not kill
thou shall not lie
thou shall not bear false witness
thou shall not commit adultery
honor your father and mother
thou shall not covet thy neighbor
Even the first one which should not be enforced is for believers because they know God exist is
thou shall love thy God with all thy heart
so, you can see that tithe is optional and it is for the jews
if the jews think it is easy for other tribes of the world (gentiles ) to keep their traditional law of tithe, I am a yoruba man, i will go to my yoruba land and make laws, let them come and pay tithe too
nonsense!

Christianity Etc › Re: Obey God's Commandments - No Tithes No Heaven by paxonel(m): 9:58pm On Aug 08, 2014

stoning the adulterous woman is enforcement of the part of the 10 commandments which says thou shall not commit adultery. It is not enforcement of any Jewish law or circumcision or tithe so what are you talking ?

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Christianity Etc › Re: TWILIGHT: The Sun And Moon Darken, The Stars Fall From Heaven. by paxonel(m): 9:30pm On Aug 08, 2014

paxonel: i am a Christian but without due sentiment this post is geared towards threatening ignorant christians not to enjoy their lives and this is evil of religion
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I want to point out the big error commited by today christians because they read Bible they are not seeing anything ,they. don't think. but think, you will understand what I'm about to sayp
Matthew 24:29 says Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken
do you know that this verse is a prophecy by Jesus about what will happen at the cross when he will be crucified?
let's look at the crucifixion
Matthew 27:45 says Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
this is the darkening of the sun prophesied in that Matthew 24:29, the fall of the stars and moon leads to darkness (stars and moon did not fall in the real sense, the phrase stars and moon falling is used to represent darkness)
Matthew 27:51 says And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
this is the powers of the heavens shall be shaken prophesied in that Matthew 24:29. heavens shaken there is earthquake
so you can see that Matthew 27 was a prophecy by Jesus which has already been fulfilled at crucifixion. stop threatening innocent ignorant christians
what did Jesus meant by immediately after the tribulation of those? for your info,disciples following Jesus from galilee to Jerusalem where he was to be crucified was enough tribulation also refered to abomination of desolation as prophesied by Daniel. the disciples numbering more than 5000.abandoned all that they had to follow Jesus through the wilderness to Jerusalem without food,water,shelter,some women where even pregnant, some with nursing babies. it wasn't easy, it was the most terrible thing that has ever happened since mankind was created
therefore matthew 24:29 says immediately after the event of following which is the great tribulation (what you people know as the great tribulation you think it will come in the future and you used it to threaten people ) shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light.

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