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Ken4Christ:
We live by the word. The fact that John the Baptist died early didn't mean we are supposed to die untimely

well whem we say timeliness ,it is relative. life is not by longevity
rhe only reason we may desire longevity is to have more time to do more. When your work is done whats the point staying here. can we sya Jesus died untimely becauee he died at 33yrs? the question is if he finisshed his purpose .

John stepped out of his ministry. He wasn't supposed to concern himself with the personal affairs of King Herod. When you step out of your calling, it can cut short your life.

Well its God that can say that not us. But i dont think john stepped out of his ministry. a prophet has power to judge kings or judge a nation it depends on the range of his call

secondly i belive john died because he has finished his course on earth . his assignment was firstly to prepare the people for the Messiah and secondly to act as signboard by idenrifyimf and pointing the people to the Messiah. he himself testified of this .

[b]Jn 3:27 — Jn 3:28 ([/b]KJV)
27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven . 28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.) . . . .. .
30 He must increase, but I must decrease.

The emergence of the Messiah Ministry is the end of john . just as the emergence of baby Jesus marked the end of simeon the intercesor

sagenaija:
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You must see that I've been focusing on (1) LEADERSHIP and (2) CORE doctrinal issues. Recall that Paul warned that those for leadership offices must not be novices and are to have a grasp of what our faith stands for. What I see from this is that we must not CELEBRATE mediocrity or lack of preparedness on the altar of spiritual gifts.
Where a man fails to meet up with basic SCRIPTURAL requirements for leadership it should not be excused. Rather that shortcoming should be recognized and gaps noted where necessary.

nobody says otherwise

I really don't see any difference between Paul's position and what James, under the leading of the Holy Spirit

The scripture i quoted was self explanatory. James and his deciples was The reason for the book of Galatians.

Gal 2:5 — Gal 2:7 (NKJV)
5 to whom we did not yield submission even for an hour, that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
6 But from those who seemed to be something—whatever they were, it makes no difference to me; God shows personal favoritism to no man—for those who seemed to be something added nothing to me. 7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter

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determining what to retain or what to jettison from the old to the new was obviously what the apostles had to receive from the Holy Spirit and pass on to the fledgling church.

That may have been at play when Paul confronted Peter at Antioch. Nothing there says that Peter refused Paul's position or challenged it.

The point is . Why was Peter aftaid of James . Peter who God already appeared to and informed him yhat the Grntiled were cleansed through a vision. Questions is why didnt the Holyghost tell James his error .

I'm not sure you are speaking as an insider in T. B. Joshua's ministry. I had called out for confirmation on my enquiry on the no taking of the Lord's Supper (Holy Communion, Eucharist) in the Synagogue Church of All Nations (SCOAN) by any worshipper or member. Surely, just as videos are being posted on other issues and of one person in particular, one would expect that there should be something to post on this matter. Unfortunately nothing has come up.

Somebody already replied you that they had had communion service there. but you still need to know that not every church have communion. It deoends on the Pastor revelation of it. Catholics have it daily . some others monthly ,weekly some yearly . The frequency should not be issue

Do you believe that as long as T.B. Joshua did miracles and the like it does not matter if he did not teach and lead his congregation in CORE doctrines of the Scriptures?

nobody is an alrounder . Paul refuse to do water batism whixh christ ommnaded . everyone focus on their main assignment.

The man called into intercession runs an intercessory ministrry likewise the man called for deliverance runs Deliverance and healing ministry his focus is setting captives free . Same goes for Evangelica ministry, Holiness ministrry. Prophetic Ministry etc as God has given each man grace and revelation .
The man that runs a teaching ministrry may not be able to cast out devil. That shouldn't make him less a minister

Image123:
Pastor Chris senior pastor.

Thats silly bro. Pastor Chris has been in ministry from child . born into a family of generation of Pastors .

Image123:
This looks more in tandem of what people accuse SCOAN of, fabrication of testimonies and actors. You can see ONE single person here acting multiple roles and sharing so called testimonies without anyone having the Spirit of God or even common retentive memory to detect the drama. TB laid hands on her several times and episodes, yet you are here still saying that she is not healed to suit your narrative. LOL

healing is not by force nah. If a man like his demon it will keep coming back . demons do come back if the individual have certain sin that serve as open door .
i have had ro minister to some individuals who vomit manifest amd get relief only for the thing to come back later . until i had to use the word of God to take them on a "Do it by yourself" and such a one have permanent victory.

sagenaija:
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What I was getting at is that even though one man may be raised spiritually in a place different from another, the Holy Spirit will not fail to communicate CORE spiritual doctrines to both.

We are the one who have the reposibility of learn and knowing the word of God .
The Holy spirit will not do the job. why do churches have comtrry doctrines today and criticizing each other . is the holy spirit author of confusion ? it is left for us to study and learn . everyone have a deep conviction on their doctrine. everone is right in his own eyes

One man may have the gift of HELPS and another that of ADMINISTRATION but both must believe that Jesus died on the cross for their sins to be in the same 'camp'. The expressions of their giftings does not negate their belief in that core doctrine.

Take nairaland for example. yhey are busy calling each other false brethren here. The other guy is false.
one person believe in healing , the other guy doesnt same goes for prohecy ,tongues, delivearce miracle ,tithes ,offering etc.

I would love to know how "James was almost in opposition against the teachings of Paul". Please show me because I believe that their teachings agreed with and complemented each other's.

james had a Pharisee background but inlike Paul he carried his judaism to christ. The jewish religion has the people they call proselyte. These are gentiles who got converted to the jewish religion. There is a process for their conversion. And that was what James was quoting and recommending for christian convert when they had the debate .

Acts 15:13 (KJV)
13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: . . . 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

also he doesnt see total oneness betwewm the Jewish christian and Gentile Christians. remember how Peter was terrified when James sent People to Pauls church amd met Peter eating with Gentile Christians. Peter quickly decamped . Paul had to rebuke him.


]Gal 2:11 — Gal 2:14 (NLT)
Paul Confronts Peter
11 But when Peter came to Antioch, I had to oppose him to his face, for what he did was very wrong. 12 When he first arrived, he ate with the Gentile believers, who were not circumcised. But afterward, when some friends of James came, Peter wouldn’t eat with the Gentiles anymore. He was afraid of criticism from these people who insisted on the necessity of circumcision. 13 As a result, other Jewish believers followed Peter’s hypocrisy, and even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.
14 When I saw that they were not following the truth of the gospel message, I said to Peter in front of all the others, “Since you, a Jew by birth, have discarded the Jewish laws and are living like a Gentile, why are you now trying to make these Gentiles follow the Jewish traditions?

For example, will James have differed on the things that have to do with the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus?

i dont think TB joshua has issues with that amd other fundamental christian beliefs

sagenaija:
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We must however not discountenance the role of the Holy Spirit. He gives spiritual gifts as he wills. His ministry in the life of the believer, and in particular anyone with leadership gifting cannot be downplayed. Again, recall that Paul who had an independent calling and spiritual development outside the initial core of disciples and apostles had his doctrinal position confirmed by them.

Will the Holy Spirit not communicate core doctrinal issues to a man he has gifted for a great work? Especially as have to do with the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus?

callings are different. Paul was a bible scholar . He was an apostle,evangelist ,teacher , pastor

James was almost in opposition against the teachings of Paul . yet they both have same holy spirit. James was even mixing Judaism with christianity

Every minister focus on their core area. for example . water Baptist was commanded by Christ also and it seemed Paul played it down in his own ministry .

1 Corinthians 1:17 (KJV)
17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel:

it seem to me the evangelical call was

Oksoluk10:
I have noticed this for sometime now.

Why is it that women are the most that give testimony in church compared to men? Or is it that the standard are very high for men?.

Also why is it women that fall mostly during deliverance?.

Men are mostly.people of few words. men resolve issues inside even die inside . but women are talkers and they are very expeessive . Men are too conscious


Men do.fall under the power . it depends on the case . The power of God manifest in women more because they are more open to God . Men can be rigid fighting God .
but if its a demonic case ..it manifest in men also.wjen being cast out. Tbe problem with men is just that they are very self conscoius some see it as weakness to fall amd see it as streght to stand so they will rather stand amd still retain their demon

Yungmil:
Some people dont like going to church but prefers to pray and read the Bible at home.

Does it make them spiritual or they must have to attend church?

one of the signs of Dpirituality is going to church

Hebrews 10:25 (KJV)
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

ThePlainTruth:
But GOD only gave 10 Commandments to the people through Moses at Mount Sinai and not 613

There princioles of God remsin thesame from old Testament time .New testament does not take away the moral principles of the law . the only issue is that you dont seek justification or righteousness by them but by faith. The Law still remains Gods law but its only for regerence purpose and for knowledge of right and wrong. because its only by the law we know whst sin is

Rom 7:6 — Rom 7:7(NKJV)
6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
Sin’s Advantage in the Law
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”.

ThePlainTruth:
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Please list all the New Testament, Born Again and Spirit Filled Commandments as they are not laid out like in the Old Testament above.

Love God And love people

maybe if i know your point i may be able to redpond more appropriately

sagenaija:
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It's equally interesting that all the inputs in Nairaland on issues are about the externals. Nothing about core spiritual issues. How come?

imputes by who? i dont get that

The major purpose of the giving of the leadership spiritual gifts to the church is to raise matured believers. Ephesians tells us that - "...... to FULLY equip and perfect the saints for works of service, to build up the body of Christ...." (4:12).

i agree

I dare say that 99% of pastors in Nigeria fail in this respect.

We cant generalise

They want to be 'up there' and the members 'down there

We are not in their mind. it may be a risk to assume

Now, back to our matter:
Recall that Apostle Paul's initial spiritual development was not within the circle of the original apostles. Yet he received teaching on the Lord's Supper. It's our high point of worship. In these days and age where access to information is literally at our fingertips anyone who comes to know the Lord and who may even be unable to read can watch videos or listen to audio and gain knowledge. So, the fact that a man did not grow under a structured church system or a physical mentor does not mean that he cannot be exposed to information on core doctrines of the Scripture. Paul's own experience is there for us to see.

I get your Point . W have no excuse to be ignorant in a world overloaded with information.

But we have two issues here . firstly it is a Christian thing to learn and knkw the word of God . But a lit has to do with your intellect too.

But the second thing has to do with calling. Tb Joshua was a Prophet. or a Seer . Their responsibility is to See. Most Prophets Cant teach. Some even teach wrongly. many times God use uneducated Men and annoit them. They have a prrsonal responsibility to develop themselves in the bible as a christuan but some may not see such need because God didnt tell them . He apprwrs to them ,whisoers to th ,show them Visions . They see video and audio from heaven . They are satisfied . wuth their call. They are not even supoosed to run a church. You have to be called to be Pastor and Teacher to run a church

thats where the issue is. if a prophet want to run a church its either he employs a resident Pastor to feed the flock while he is always doing moutain ,fasting etc . or alternatively the prophetsublit himself to the tutelage od a teacher.

it is not enough to read the bible . some Prophets tried entrening teaching and end up turning the bible upside down.
My opinion is that they just focus on their vision ,Prophecy ,healing ,miracles and let another teach .

The founder of cherubim was illitrate God used him.mightily to heal and prophesy.

The fouder of Celestial was illiterate. same way God use him as prophet and healer.

but imagine yhey don't wear shoe just because he read the bible where God yold moses to.pull his shoe. see?

The founder of Redeemed Pa Akidayomi was illiterate also They all towed the white garmet aladura style . but when Adeboye who became his interpreter took over him being educated changed the structure of the church . knowledge came in. no.more white garment .

Tb Joshua came like that. it wasneven worse . He was mixing islam and chritianity together at the initial stage . He belived its same God . He did some white garment things too but thank God he embrace knowledge gradually . The Church evolved. He allowed teachers to teach .

sagenaija:
Are you confirming that they don't administer the Lord's Supper but they don't have anything against it?

Are you also suggesting that as he did not grow under a church sustem nor was trained by a mentor in doctrine he may not have known about the Holy Communion in order for him to carry it out in his church?

The point is ive never heard them do it. and i dont believe they have any doctrine against it . besides not Every church have a structured communion service.

kovah:
u need to read ur Bible well ...Dats y I talk to u like an ignorant person.... God DOESN'T WANT human rule...

i may not quite agree with you here sir.
its about leadership. God leafs through a leader still. he doesnt lead or interact directly. So if God asked him to lead the country its not out of place. That foesnt mean i endorse that he heard from God or not. Thats between him and God

Faucci exposed


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkZ7YKbiJKo

sagenaija:
I actually meant this:

Ive not seen them do communion but im certain they dont have anything against it either .

The man didnt know eveeything . He grew gradually in knowledge of God and the bible . He didn't grow under a church sustem neither was trained by a mentor in doctrine . He was not even making altar calls for years unti few years ago. moving from.being a prophet and seer is different from being a Pastor.

Ken4Christ:
Understand what? Please quote the verses which says God wants us to die at any age.

you dont need scriptures. life is not by longevity but by impact and fulfillment. anyone can leave the earth at any age as long as they have done their work.

jesus died at 33
john the baptist died in his 30s. so life is not by longevity but by fulfillment of assignments

old story of how many years ago

sagenaija:
Petra1 any comments?

Bisola has a spiritual problem . multiple personality


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV5XatZHxsA

budaatum:
In your opinion, all those airlines and business that have been destroyed do not have sufficient intelligence and ability to fight back if the pandemic was some conspiracy to inject everyone with a piece of software?

Please, why have they not hired you to fight for them and save them fron ruin?

but the truth is coming out. Faucci denied that the virus was created in lab last year and people belived. Now investigation has shown thatbitbwas created in Lab in china . not only that, The same Faucci co sponored the lab. he is facing fire now.

Pastor Chris was right all along. he said last year that it was created in china lab and some americans are involved.

So dont just do what they called blind argument . do your finding .

if the vaccine wasnt a software how come its megnetizing metals .

psilord:
Technically, yes.
I was asking multiple persons for help for treatment with condition.
Not with the intention to scam, sha.
Na genuine need.

I admire your sincerity

psilord:
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Oga mi, na once o.

oh na you!!. Is the Allegation true?

1000Capacity:
That guy is a scammer

Search for the moniker squallic

Cc pocohantas Ishilove

Ha! ive been sending him money oh

Search for the moniker squallic

It is not squallic . it is Squillaci

psilord:
Cc Petra1 Invertedhammer

i dont understand

plaetton:
First of all, how sick does someone need to look before we know that it is serious , especially for a person who has a vested interest in not appearing to look sick ?
Only his immediate family members would know exactly how sick he was.

The kind of work he does cant be done by a sick person. do you know what it means to lay hands on hundreds of people in one service? sick people are in the hospital. someone like him will not be careless with heath issue .

Secondly, in the real universe that I live in, covid-19 is very deadly. 600k people have died from it in the US alone, and many millions worldwide.
I had it, and it was deadly. I was just lucky to be in a place where I received the best care that medical science can offer.

There is no special best care . its just a flu. which is treatable . Firstly the figures of deaths are inflated by conspirators . even here in nigeria. They made hospitals declare every condition Covid at a period until people began to raise alarm . Many people that died were not treated early . They sent them back home.

Nigerian MOG (Men Of Guile) are very hypocritical about medical science and health care, because their primary business model depends on the promotion of magical thinking and stone-age superstitions.
They travel abroad and seek medical care in secrecy while telling their brain-dead followers to fast and pray , drink magic water and magic oils.

That's a lie. its a nairaland lie. There is no secret about medical care . God can heal through Medical care . you dont just put trust in it but in God. there are differnt kinds of ailment. some spiritual some medical. even though God heals both . but spieitual ailment can never be treated medically. microscope and xtray cant see demons . some sicness are due to dehydration, lack of vitamins etc. using suplliments and multivitamins is commons sense.

At the healing School of Pastor Chris many a given water therapy for the first few days and educated on care for their bodies . many get healed even without prayers . And cases that requires orayers and moves to orayer session .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-qf0F5AhwM

plaetton:
Complete Bullshyt.

Tb Joshua probably died from covid-19.
Too embarrassed to go to the hospital to .

Did he look sick to you. someone who had several meetings that day.
besides covid 19 is not deadly. its just a flu has a cheap cure if treated early

providence338:
* Look around you. Are we really in a pandemic? Are dead people piling up from covid, filling up the hospital morgues and cemeteries? People are indeed dying, but the sick and immune-compromised die every day. Did this justify a world-wide shut-down?


And for the record, this plague was NOT SENT FROM GOD. It was created by luciferians posing as scientists, assisted by fallen angels, and rolled out, administered and hyped up by governments, institutions, politicians, and frontmen like Bill Gates, using the mainstream media as their propaganda arm.


* PCR tests do NOT ACCURATELY test for covid, the FDA and WHO even admit this (look it up). Explaining this will require it's own post.


* Why is there a PUSH to vaccinate the entire world from an infection with a 99% recovery rate? Furthermore, why has there been virtually NO ATTENTION given to covid TREATMENT with regular over-the-counter anti-viral drugs like Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine which is curing covid sufferers quite nicely? Why are doctors who take a TREATMENT-vs-VACCINE approach demonized, maligned and faced with reprisals?


* These vaccines are alarmingly becoming mandatory throughout the world. Here in America, private companies and public spaces (like colleges and universities) are requiring the vaxx. Soon the jab will be required for younger children down to infancy. Remember, these vaxx are PURELY EXPERIMENTAL. NO ONE KNOWS THE LONG TERM EFFECTS OF MRNA VACCINES!


* During the 'plandemic' every death was attributed to "covid". Doctors and hospitals were getting bribed paid by the government to list cancer deaths, heart attacks, even vehicle accidents as COVID (look this up). In true occult fashion, the complete opposite is the truth. THOUSANDS of people are adversely reacting and even DYING from the jab. People are dropping dead, even children in some cases of blood clots, aneurisms, sepsis, organ failure, etc. These SUDDEN deaths are severely underreported, ignored and even censored by the health and media gatekeepers.

FEMA has recently begun to reimburse funerals for family members who can produce a death certificate listed as "covid". Do you think the government or Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, etc will reimburse loved ones for vaccine-related deaths? You DO KNOW vaccine manufacturers can't be sued under any circumstances, right?


* These vaccines do NOT contain the spread, nor PRECLUDE re-infection. It only LESSENS symptoms if and when re-infected. Just ask the people of Seychelles, the MOST VACCINATED country in the world, with a SURGE of new cases.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/you-can-still-spread-develop-covid-19-after-getting-a-vaccine-what-to-know

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-13/seychelles-with-62-inoculation-rate-says-covid-cases-easing


* It seems to me the only "immunity" here is for big pharma from lawsuits from the countless innocent people adversely reacting and DYING from their snake venom aka vaxx. You get no "immunity" from their vaxx, they openly state this. Its better to get infected like most of you likely already have been (but not know it due to your robust immune system) and carry NATURAL IMMUNITY from an infection with a 99% recovery rate.


I'll be back with the science behind the mRNA vaxx. Trust me, it's NOT GOOD.

Stay safe everyone. DO NOT TAKE THE VAXX!!!

shey Pastor Chris hasbbeen warning everybody since with same warning . He said he did a thorough research on the matter. But Many are still in doubt.

covidb19 is the biggest Fraud the world has ever seen.

The whole idea is to plant this chip on everybody in the name of vaccine . IT IS NOT A VACCINE !. It is a software!

see how they conspire to ruinnworld economy . ariline busines of many years destroyed . many people commited suicide .

His Keyboardist says it was based on a land dispute..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjFlumZ_Um4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2pwNiXdI4o

jesusjnr2020:
You remind me of when I used to be ignorant of who TB Joshua really was,

If you want to ask me question you should ask nicely or You may kinldy exit my thread if you have nothing to contribute to the thread purpose.

And if you want to talk silly and vomit maggots as you usually do . you may kindly open another thread.

Kobojunkie:
1. Considering the time of Ezekiel and Jeremiah, was the coming of Jesus Christ not futuristic?

2. Israel was saved by Jesus Christ - Luke 13 vs 6 - 9 - or are you assuming that the salvation for israel only comes after they are all dead and then raise back up from the dead for 1000 years when Jesus Christ returns or something , as it is kinda written of in the book of dream/visions called Revelations?

israel was not saved by Jesus . They rejected him.

Jn 1:11 — Jn 1:12 (KJV)
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

That was why God shifted attention to us the Gentile for the time being. isreal has not accepted Jesus as messiah.

Romans 11:25 (KJV)
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.


They will eventually accept the antichrist as Messiah. until he show his true colour . that is when their eyes will be open and they will start looking for the Messiah they once rejected . Thats when jesus and the raptured saints will come from heaven to save isreal. and isreal will officially acceot the messiah. The salavtion of isreal a national declaration .

Romans 11:26 (KJV)
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

it is at this futuristuc salavtion of isreal that God said "They will all know him .

Kobojunkie:
1. In His Old Testament, God set men, beginning with Moses, as teachers of His Law - Deuteronomy 4 vs 7 - 10. God put the responsibility of teaching His Law on every man and woman in the Land, instructing them to teach to their children and grandchildren , and neighbors- Deuteronomy 6 vs 1 - 9 - and neighbors, also writing it on their doorposts for all to see declaring it sin even for one to withhold such information - Deuteronomy 11 vs 18 - 22

God also taught them in song - Deuteronomy 31 vs 19 - which they were to pass on to their children in His name - Deuteronomy 32 vs 44 - 47 - declaring that the teachings He has given them are their very lives. These commands are to be forever obeyed by those of the old Covenant Law of Moses - Deuteronomy 29 vs 29.

2. In the New Covenant Law of Jesus Christ, however, God made the decision that He alone will teach everyone of Himself - Jeremiah 31 vs 31-34. He fired all His former Shepherds - Ezekiel 34 vs 9 - 16 - and installed Himself as all and all to all each one who will heed His call to believe in His New Law, Jesus Christ, His New Covenant - Matthew 23 vs 1 - 36. He declared also that only those who are taught belong to Him - John 6 vs 43 -45.

There is difference between The church and Restoration pf israel. The prophecies you quoted are futuristic . They have to do with the millenium . When Israel would be saved . Thats not the church .