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Southerners lost the day some of them conspired against Jonathan in 2014. 2023 election will be a Northern affair. We will have an Igbo vice president in 2023.

Perhaps Atiku would try to adopt 1 term as his selling point.

The question is if Nigerians will accept it.

KunleyY19:
Would be a hard sell to the South East You should say...

No, on the contrary it would be a hard sell to the South west and North west.

I don't think the South east will oppose a candidate from North central.

I don't think that serves their interest .

No, you are not!
You and your principal, Buhari have messed Nigeria up. Messed her up in every imaginable way.

KunleyY19:
What about North Central

The North central just like the South west would be a hard sell.

In as much as I dislike Nnamdi Kanu for his attempts to force his Biafran dreams on the peoples of the Niger Delta, the Nigerian state erred in this case.

His home was attacked. Nobody will remain when his safety cannot be guaranteed.

APC always told us zoning was nonexistent in their party. Fashola should leave it at that.

We will probably support a candidate from the North east or South east.

The South west has had enough. They don't deserve power.

Bighead5:
Yeye Governors. When your Brother Goodluck Jonathan was the President, what stopped him from achieving all these requirements?

Your yeye national assembly and your terrorist countrymen you used to make his tenure "ungovernable ".

LegendHero:
What I detest is hypocrisy and a lot of Nigerian tribes are guilty of this including those from the SS.

You spoke of interest in your comment and said the SS would vote for a candidate where they think their interest is protected. That is very fine in a democracy BUT why don’t you also understand that the Yorubas voted their interest in 2015 instead of the usual blackmail you guys indulge in by saying the SW betray the south?

We don’t have entitlement complex, that is not the Yorubas. Even when you SS’ners voted against Falae our candidate in 1999, do you see us blackmailing you people that you betrayed us?

Nope, we never did. We keep our cool, accepted our fate and moved on. Even when Jonathan somehow failed to protect the SW interest after voting him in 2011, we maintained our cool and raised our voice in the 2015 election devoid of emotional blackmail.

Is it southern unity betrayal only when it is against the SE/SS? What about those period that it has always been against the SW, what should that be called?

I repeat my assertions that if Osinbajo is on the ballot in 2023 against a Northerner, he will get nothing less than 35% of the votes in the SS.

You might say I’m drunk by the above, but let’s wait till it’s time for for the game and see how the media will be used for the cause when it’s time. Are we not the one that repackaged a Buhari that have lost consistently multiple time because of the Islamic propagandist tag against him? Just wait and see how it goes in 2023.

You can see I never mentioned Tinubu in all this. That’s because I know that Osinbajo will sell better in the SS than Tinubu candidacy.

In 2015 the South West was too greedy to recognise that the national interest was too interwoven to be forcefully separated the way they[ South West] did.
2015 was about Nigeria, not ethnic nations, tribes, individuals, political or financial interests.

It was a contest between having a national consensus or having a cabal . The South West campaigned and acted against the country, preferring rather to establish the cabal.

The South West removed a government that gave Nigerians freedom and repackaged a known despot for 2 tenures. The few people that were killed at Lekki have you people react and you think the victims of your jihadist government will reward those that rebranded and rewarded the jihadist with highest office in the country to give you their votes!

Now you want to accuse people of not supporting a Yoruba candidate in 1999 election. Please tell me if Olusegun Obasanjo is Kanuri. Since you Yoruba didn't like Obasanjo in 1999 why didn't you vote Buhari in 2003?

LegendHero:
Lol. Even the Buhari that defeated Jonathan got over 35% of the votes in the SS in 2019.

Moreso, SW voted Jonathan with majority of the votes in 2011 even with us being in ACN then. What did he paid us with? Marginalization and we responded in kind in 2015 by voting Buhari and even at that Jonathan got over 45% of the votes in the SW in 2015.

If the SS need to reciprocate what the Yorubas did in 2015 in 2023, then they should also give Osinbajo 45% of their votes in 2023.

That’s all what we need and Q.E.D.

Do you oppose the bolded?

It is this feeling of entitlement that annoys people! What makes you think you deserved anything apart from good governance from Jonathan? Why is Buhari not being judged by the same standards?

Osibanjo is part of all the mess Buhari has created. If he resigned since 2017 maybe we would have seen him differently.

Our votes will swing to where our interests is best served or we may decide to boycott the elections entirely.

The antecedents of all the frontrunners from the South West doesn't give us reason to believe them.

If Jonathan didn't deserve to be president in 2015 I wonder why those who feel that way think we owe them any votes.

When the South West reads the hand writing on the wall they will be weaned of tribalism. They behave as if they own Nigeria, we all own Nigeria!

You can't blackmail and intimidate a section of the country and expect them to applaud you when it is your time of need.

LegendHero:
Of course, in 1999 hostilities is high between the West and the North because of the issues of MKO and the North think OBJ will be a better ally than Falae who is supported mostly by AD and the West. It’s a game of politics and they supported OBJ, so how does that come into this discourse.

1999 is a contest between two Yorubas, so you can’t use that to support your argument.

Tinubu have spent money in election and have so far won more than he lost so what exactly are you talking about? Bayelsa was won fair and square and Edo people rejected APC. Do you want to count the number of elections Tinubu have won also if you’re attributing all APC losses to him?


We are talking about APC presidential primaries here. Stop equating issues that doesn’t correlate bro. SS naturally is PDP stronghold, so APC just need to get some amount of votes there to decrease PDP figure and mitigate against vote numbers like they did against Rivers in 2015. Check the vote PDP gave Jonathan in 2019 in Rivers compared to the vote count in Rivers in 2015.


Tambuwal lost both because of money and because the SE are fed up of Wike domineering attitude so they went with Atiku. I hope you heard about the $$ Atiku spent on that day. I’m not sure about Northern delegates but I’m sure they would have also rooted for Atiku.



This is a lie. People already forgot Atiku ushered in Buhari in 2015 so how can they punish Atiku because of that in 2019 election? Buhari had that figure because of federal might and the fact that he got some APC goons in the SS that tried to at least lessen the vote difference there.

Also people understood Atiku is another crook without good record so a lot of people are indifferent coz they just have to choose between two devils.

Osinbajo have that clean record, he is intelligent, a Christian, and he will naturally get more vote than Buhari in the SS especially if the federal might supports him in 2023 too.

Hahaha!!!!
Osibanjo will naturally get the votes the South West refused to give Jonathan in 2015 in 2023?

I don't want to think, till date we have not forgiven Amaechi in Rivers state. As the South West supported the North West in 2015, we will weigh our options in 2023. That will probably tilt between the North East and South East. I don't see the South West getting our votes.

The general perception is that the South West brought Buhari out of greed and bigotry and not for Nigeria's wellbeing.

LegendHero:
There is no one in APC that can outspend Tinubu, you can take that to the bank.

Buhari was not even supposed to win the APC presidential ticket in the first place in 2014, but Tinubu was the mastermind of how he grabbed it from Atiku another moneybag. Well that is history now.

Yes you’re right, the people the presidency support matters also and until Buhari dispose Osinbajo we can only wait to see his move.

I’ve analyzed voting patterns since 1979 and there is nothing spectacular about the voting pattern.

The people that stopped MKO are the military, that can’t happen in a democracy now so how does that come into our discourse?

Moreso the same MKO defeated Tofa in the North and the SS.

You forgot that same military brought Obasanjo against the Yoruba wish for Falae. Pardoned him so he could contest.
The North have not spent their resources to bring their candidates. Tinubu have spent his money on Buhari twice. Spent money in Edo, Akwa-Ibom and Bayelsa and lost those elections and you seriously believe he has money to out spend his opponents?

His money didn't give him victory in the S/S.

Tinubu shot himself in his foot.

Tambuwal didn't lose because of money. He lost because the party felt Atiku had a better chance of winning.

The contest in 2019 was a contest between two Fulani candidates so Buhari's improved performance in the South South was a reflection of people's disapproval of the role Atiku played in ushering in Buhari in 2015.

LegendHero:
I’m not sure they can outspend Tinubu caucus in APC when it comes to buying delegates. Tinubu got more warchest than them in APC.

Do you know why Atiku also got the PDP ticket in 2019? He outspend all those Tambuwal et al.

But I always leave things to probability, so like you said nothing stops them from contesting too. But until then, let’s see how it goes.

But I still have a question tho. How exactly did Osinbajo offend the people in the SS like you claimed?

Wait till 2023!
The answer would be clearer then. I hope you know Tinubu is not the only one in the country who owns a 'war chest '. Have you asked yourself where the cabal in Aso Rock stands?

Did you ever ask yourself why Abiola never became president?

Have you bothered analyse voting patterns since 1999 till date?

LegendHero:
Do you know Buhari got over 30-35% of the vote in the SS in 2019?

Are you telling me Osinbajo as a Christian will get less than that in 2023? Which of the masses did Osinbajo offended in the SS? I don’t want to speak about the SE coz they are inconsequential.

Osinbajo will win the NC easily because we have Kogi and Kwara there and some Christian dominated states that will be willing to vote for an Osinbajo.

Osinbajo will clear 85-90% of the SW if he is on the ballot.

Osinbajo is not hated in the North and a figure like Buhari won’t be re-contesting. Osinbajo is also a Yoruba who naturally under the current political climate don’t have any problem with the North. Moreso, the North understood a SW Christian is as harmless in terms of religious intolerance like their Muslim counterpart so the religious divide won’t play much in this game.

The vice of Osinbajo will be the person to do the trick in the North. If he picks someone like El-Rufai or Zulum, then I’m sure he will perform better in the North.

Also, most of it comes to party line coz that influences elections sometimes too. So APC guys in the North will lead the movement.

What stops El-Rufai or Zulum from contesting for the presidency?

Open your eyes!

Sir you are a big part of Nigeria's problem! People like you acted in a short sighted and self serving manner.

authority2006:
What solidarity is that and in which party that solidarity is coming from? You have never had stake in APC, you must be talking about PDP

How is the party important? What makes you think APC will win?
What makes you think PDP and APC will exist in 2023?

What makes you feel the South West would get APC's ticket when you have the South East and North West in contention?

Well, the main proponent of "Southern solidarity " was Tinubu, he called for that when his kinsman, Olusegun Obasanjo was in office.

ZKOSOSO:
Shame....!
The only Minister of Petroleum whose state is the 3rd largest Oil producer in Nigeria but could not lobbied a refinery to be built in his state but shamelessly building one in Maradi-Daura axis of Niger Republic where there is Zero crude oil and very poor consumption power due to extreme poverty of axis.

Rotimi is another buffoon that is building railways across desert North and Maradi-Daura axis of Niger Republic but don't have any functional rail system in his state of Rivers.

Don't know how the Shemales were raised wallahi....!!
Are they really Niger Deltans...?? No liver...??

The petroleum minister is from Kastina state

Slurity:
You need to learn and understand politics.

No, you and the rest of the South West should!
You can't undermine "Southern solidarity" when others are in office and call for it when you need it.

isthatso:
it's certainly not going to SE

Don't see that happening

Pierocash:
Why Port Harcourt, why not Asaba? Okowa is the chairman of South south governor's forum, so the meeting should have been in asaba ,because delta contribute more to the national resources

Port Harcourt is the most important city in the region. The NDDC has her headquarters in Port Harcourt. If it was to be hosted in Delta state, perhaps Warri would be a lot more symbolic.

APC presidential ticket is going to the North east. Mark my words!

LegendHero:
That’s a big lie.

APC will win easily with Osinbajo on the ticket.

Illusion!
Do you think Osibanjo is that popular in the SE/SS?
He has offended the masses in those areas.

Have you thought of him contesting against a Northerner?

What stops the SE/SS from doing what the SW did to the SS in 2015 to the SW in 2023?

Are you well aware that the only time the core North did not vote for a Muslim Northerner was in 1999?

ORIAYO70:
You Mumu for that assertion.
75percent Hausa/Fulani will prefer voting Yoruba aspirant than any Igbo man....


In the time of Abiola..he won only single state in Igbo land

Same as Obj he won only one state in Igbo land

So speak for urself not others

Who told you the race will be between Igbo and Yoruba?

Una neva chee chomtin!

APC will lose with any of the South West aspirants as their flag bearers

Sammy07:
It is well.
PDP should also do well to remove secondus and zone the PDP chairman to the North.

So that the Presidency can come to South.

then we can have two southerns in both party in 2023

Uche Secondus can remain there. PDP would probably field a Northerner in the 2023 polls.

Misplaced priority!

Happy birthday, best wishes @ Hon Nkeiri

Who are these amateur actors trying to deceive?

Nigeria is a FRAUD and this further buttresses that point. Let every ethnic nation have her country. I think that's the best way to go about it.

ekesol:
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Shows their are Igbo's in Okrika.

Opobo , Bornu speak Igbo.


Don get emotional about these facts.

I have every right to be emotional because it is my home you are talking about

nengibo:
Niger Rep has benefitted more from this administration than parts of Nigeria

Are you still in doubt that Buhari comes from Niger republic?

ekesol:
I am not saying Okrika speak Igbo , don't misquote me what I said was some almost 30 percent speak and understand Igbo.

Don't Igbo people understand English? You guys are delusional. It is unbelievable. Okrika this, Opobo that, Bonny this! Why can't you leave Ijaw people alone? If we speak Igbo or not how is that your business?

We are not Igbo, we also speak other languages like Yoruba, Ibibio, Urhobo, Itsekiri, Ogoni etc. That doesn't make us part of those groups. Most Ijaw people used to be multilingual. Several languages were required for our trade.

nazicartel:
Wike and curfew ehh... To be truthful, wike isn't doing anything in Rivers State. Amaechi was better than this guy,, I don't even know how much he pays Ait for those morning interviews. Any small discussion, he will be shouting I'm Mr. Project, with those his stupid pH flyovers,, he should carefully observe how Kano state built their own and do something like that... The only governor he's better than is Okezuo.. ( for him to be better than Okezuo means that he's not doing anything too... Okezuo is a governor by mistake)

Since 1999 till date Rivers state has suffered. We deserve better than this, they have all failed the state. We should be the largest economy, not Lagos.

Buhari is not the right man for the job. It was obvious prior to 2015. It was no coincidence that those who promoted his candidacy shielded him from public scrutiny.

Somebody who will make "1 dollar equals 1 Naira and stabilise global oil prices ". Doesn't have anything to offer.

It just shows how small his mind is.

In the last 6 years no deliberate attempts were made towards import substitution. Recurrent expenditure had ballooned. Despite increasing pump price the subsidy payment has still been in place. The federal government is also squeezing out the private sector from the debt market.

Calling Buhari clueless is an understatement!
This is what I hate about democracy, mostly in a multiethnic society like Nigeria. People who made the right choice have to live with the bigotry inspired decision of Buhari's supporters.