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Amelian: If the story abt the female engineering student selling okrika is true, then she's a D.U.M.B.O... She shudnt av bn trained thru university in d first place.. Except if she's a single mum wit kids, then her plight and decision is understable, but married? And doing such!... That's d height of it, abeg!

No big deal in being an engineering student (Nigerian one) jare. 90% of them cant tell you the significance of the laws of thermodynamics barely TWO days after graduation so all they have is a piece of paper showing they went to school. She's probably better off selling the okrika.
The fact that one studied engineering in a Nigerian university does not qualify one to be an engineer.

kevoh: Air transport is actually the safest, fastest and stress free means of transport.

That's usually how people in the air transport biz (airlines) like to spin it. They claim you are less likely to die in an airplane.
When you consider the number of times you drive versus the number of times you fly, your opinion may change

See marketing for Edo state. You be government official. The problem with destinations in Nigeria is not the destination but "how to get there"
Travel by Road - deal with armed robbers or accident via bad roads,
Travel by Air - Na by Gods grace
Travel by water - eh if you try use atlantic, Niger delta boyz go kidnap you

haibe: I said so because I know people willing to learn and people just wanting to make folly, not all questions are to be answered, sorry

Do not answer a fool according to his folly, 4
or you yourself will be just like him.
Answer a fool according to his folly, 5
or he will be wise in his own eyes. (Proverbs 26:4-6)

The immaculate conception is not something explainable in natural terms, it's miraculous and am guessing not every one belief in miracles. If you do, you would have answered your own question having read my previous posts.

It is very convenient when you have no answer to tell someone that the answer is "miracles" and that the person should just believe it or leave it. Very disingenuous I may add. Okay I do not believe in miracles, right? Isn't it your duty as a person who knows, eh excuse me, who "believes" in miracles to educate me? So if I do not believe in miracles and I live my life without experiencing any and then I die. Will I go to hell because I didn't believe what I didn't experience?

haibe:

It's for Christians, not for everyone.

See where you have FAILED. So God loves some people more than others abi? People like you really amuse me. You prefer to shove ideas down peoples throat and expect them to just "take it or leave it". It shows you have nothing concrete but a simple "belief". Anybody can believe anything. What we need is facts

OLAADEGBU: Chris Jones said: "There was no great flood"

Response:

About 70% of the earth is covered in water. Where did it come from?

It is highly probable that there was a great flood. I don't think there is much dispute when it comes to that. There are thousands of floods happening the world all over right now so its not entirely improbable. What I think people dispute is that the flood wiped out everything on earth and the only people and animal that survive were in noahs ark. Now that is where the argument lies

OLAADEGBU: This response settles all the agitation and objections of the skeptics if they are to be honest.

It settles nothing. So Noah was a time lord? So all the animals were shrunk? Does anyone really believe this?
Why is it so hard to believe that LIES may have been told? These religious BOOKS were WRITTEN by MAN so why would we just sit down and assume everything was truthful.
As an example, imagine if the NOAH's ARK incident happened in our generation and the compilers of the records are the current men of GOD we have today. Wouldn't it be foolish for people 6000 years later to just believe everything they compiled?

Evil Brain: Watching this thread with great interest. I'm a bit disappointed that my christian brethren haven't tried harder to answer the questions from my first 2 posts. The bible cannot be wrong, so I guess you guys just don't have the spirit of discernment to decipher its secrets.

Also I just want to point out that the archeological record shows clear evidence of farming of rice and domestication of animals in China as far back as 7500BCE. Since then, the record is continuous with no breaks consistent with a flood. Which leads me to another question: How come the Chinese people didn't know they had all died in the flood and instead just kept on farming and making pottery to us to find thousands of years later?

Again, I'm not doubting the ark story. I just want to know the whole truth.

Let me make it simple and short. The TALE about NOAH's ARK is a LIE. It was simply EXAGERRATED. End of discussion.

haibe: So all unmarried ladies are virgins? smh!

Like goshen said, the kjv is your confusion.

A virgin gave birth to Jesus, a virgin is a lady yet to have sexual intercourse. Now that's the sign/miracle that God can do the impossible.

Joseph is not the biological father of Jesus
bye..

May I ask how you know this? Do you have proof? Please educate me. I am highly interested.

OLAADEGBU: Cosmo Vern said: "I'd like to point out, in addition to my earlier reply, that only one of two scenarios could have allowed 3.6 million animals (1.8 million species, in pairs) and 8 humans to fit on the ark. 1. God shrank the animals so they'd all fit. 2. Noah was a Time Lord and the ark was a TARDIS."

Response:

There's one more scenario you haven't considered. See if you can spot the repetition of a particular word that skeptics dislike:

"Of the birds after their kind, of animals after their kind, and of every creeping thing of the earth after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive" (Genesis 6:20).

That's right, it's the dreaded word "kind"—that archaic word that the dictionary defines as "a class or group of individual objects, people, animals, etc., of the same nature or character, or classified together because they have traits in common." It's a despised word because it means God didn't have to get today’s approximately 6.5 million species to fit onto the ark. It means Noah needed only one pair for the canine kind—from which would come all the species of dog, from the Chihuahua to the Great Dane—and one pair for the feline kind—from which would come the domesticated cat and the tiger, etc. So now we are talking just thousands of animals, not millions. And because these animals need not have been fully grown (averaging the size of a sheep), it becomes possible.

Another consideration is the size of the ark. It wasn't the little rubber-ducky-bobbing-boat portrayed in kid's cartoons. It was a massive three-level ship, the size of one and a half football fields.

Is there a reason why this words were "coded" ? Why isn't it just clear and understandable for all? Why parables? Why couldn't the tale be written exactly has it happened. e.g Noah built an ark that was this big and had this many animals? Why is it that most of these things that are so hard to believe occurred during pre-historic times when there was no way of recording/data capture. Why don't we have any of these happening anymore now that we have ways of recording these incidents.

Joshthefirst: lol. Consider the earths magnetic field. Why would you be so dogmatic in accepting it? Does the truth threaten you?

I give up. It's no use argueing with you

If carbon dating goes as far back as tens of thousands of years alone, doesn't that disprove your 4300 yrs story then?
Not that I agree with you though cos I know carbon dating is accurate.

Joshthefirst: how have I abused you? I simply asked you to show how this event is an impossibility and a lie and you resort to this. This thread is not about rainbows, its us discussing the possibility of a great global flood happening. I have showed you that only specific pairs of each kind of animals, not species, were chosen, and I have shown you evidence and even posted further links for you to read up on the subject, and yet you still claim it is a lie without caring to show us how.

And how can you claim religious books as leverage when you have clearly stated that things written in religious books are a lie?

You seem to be speaking from misplaced grudge. Drop your grudges and examine evidence and dsicuss these issues instead of blindly claiming it is a lie without caring to show us how and when they have been disproved.



what is this? What has this got to do with the op? Stop trying to change topic and examine evidence. How can you claim in one post that we have forsaken our ancestors thinking and claim in another post that the writers of the bible were not as smart as we are today? Are our ancestors smart then?

And the bible claims that there will never be a global flood event, not a local flood event, and it will interest you to know that it was missionaries who brought the gospel, not colonizers.

And theonly reason we have advancement today is because man is able to share knowledge and build on research. Man has always been smart.

But all this is besides the point. Adress the op objectively by asking questions and stop derailing and lashing , or else no one will take you seriously.

You asked me to shut up but anyway lets forget that.
You say you have given evidence. I think you need to define what you mean by evidence. Somebody's story? How does that equate to evidence?
If Man has always been smart as you claim, he wouldn't have needed to live in CAVES. The human brain developed/evolved over time hence where we are today. Anyway back to the topic :
How were the different races of man accounted for in the Ark? 6000years is not enough for Man to evolve into the different races we have today. How did the animals survive in the ark? Water? Food? Did we only have a handful of humans and animals at the time? With the primitive resources available at the time, I find it difficult to believe all the relevant animals would have been in there without the Ark sinking. A more plausible explanation is still that a flood happened in a certain region of the world and Noah and his people and/or domesticated animals survived it. Humans just happened to twist the story so you shouldn't just believe everything you are told
Carbon dating shows existence way beyond the 6000years you are claiming . This is a fact.

You expect people to sit down here and believe STORIES/MYTHS/LIES told by ancient people that were anything but half as smart as modern day men.
Most of these things you hold dearly were simply tales. During that time, MAN had a very "timid" "non developed" brain/thinking faculty. They interpreted everything in the best way they could. This is the reason why even in the villages in Africa, you still have people thinking when it is raining and the sun is out, a lion just gave birth - WE KNOW BETTER NOW.
Same reason they thought the earth was flat. Same reason they thought somebody lived in a "fishs" belly for days, same reason they thought a rainbow was a sign that a flood will never occur again, yet we have tsunamis and katrinas everyday. Same reason they thought the heavens (clouds) were connected to the earth and that MAN built structures to reach the clouds. I mean lets get serious. We are now more developed and have smarter brains. To believe all these fallacies would simply mean you still have the brain that existed thousands of years ago which is a damn shame

It is funny that the same people that brought religion and the religious books to you have moved on and realized that a lot of lies were told. Yet here you are believing fallacies. When are we going to stop the SLAVE MENTALITY.
You throw away everything our African ancestors believed in and call them lies and chose to believe the fallacies brought to you by WESTERN colonizers. Did it ever occur to you that if not for Slavery and Colonization, you would never have found out about this ark story that you hold so dear. Are you telling me now that GOD favours the west? That MAN is not equal?

Joshthefirst: if you'd calm down and think, you'd realize that viruses and bacteria change much faster than more complex organisms, in minutes, they reproduce, in days, they adapt. Go and do some reading.
And when those animals got off that ark, they met a completely different earth awaiting them, a scarred earth with a diffferent climate. The environmental pressures will cause them to adapt even faster, or die. Evolution does not follow a specific time graph. It simply depends on the degree of adaptation.

And evolution in its basic sense is simply change. The adaptation of organisms to their environments, the creation of new varieties of the same kind of organism as it adapts locally to a particular environment. I believe in that kind of change, as it happens around us, but I don't believe in change of kind. Darwinian change of kind is a foolish speculation, a very foolish one.

sorry, but simply shut up and show us how the event of a global flood is a lie. Did you open the links and read them? You've made no single argument so far.

And carbon dating is very inaccurate and prone to contamination and does not even consider the earth's rapidly decaying magnetic field as I said.

So show us the lies in this recorded event or be quiet sir. Mere accusations and shouting "it's a lie" will only fool grossly gullible people.

Thank you.

I will not downgrade myself by throwing abuses like you. I am used to it. Rather than explain things, people like you resort to abuses because you have no FACT and expect people to just BELIEVE you.
Everything you stated up there is just YOUR OPINION. NO IOTA of truth or fact in there at all. IF this is what happened, why isn't it clearly stated in the religious books. Why do you have to go through parables and clues that are left for different interpretations? I maintain my stance that they are all LIES because they have been disproven. Why did you ignore the RAINBOW comment? Clear to elaborate on that? For anyone to think an ARK stored ALL those animals is just LUDACRIS. Wake up

Pimples: I seriously think trying to use science to fault the Bible is wrong....
As some one mentioned earlier, Carbon Dating as well as other scientific dating methods are not accurate and are largely unreliable.
Each method gives u a different date for the origin of the earth.
Science has not, cannot and will never answer all questions......
One of such questions is how life came to exist in the first place......
There is this tendency for we humans to think like humans....whereas God has said that his ways are higher than our ways......
Never underestimate the power of God.
What science might view to be illogical or impossible, is very possible with God.
Hence, since we were not there....we can only speculate as to how the whole process of the flood was carried out.....
But one thing is sure....the flood of Noah's day actually happened.


@ OP
Going by the specifications in the bible,and in simple comparism the ark was supposed to have been slightly larger than 2 standard football fields

A lot of people do not dispute GOD. Most just BELIEVE that the PEOPLE who wrote RELIGIOUS books LIED/Spiced up things to get people to believe them. The flood probably happened and the ark was probably built. It was probably localized to a certain region and he probably saved a handful of domesticated animals which the writers than exaggerated to include the entire world.

With regards, to carbon dating, trust me its at least 95% accurate. You only need a 50% accuracy to realize that the dates stated by those who wrote religious books is wrong. They simply wrote what they taught was right at the time without evidence to back it up. Same thing with the RAINBOW story. Most of these things were basically what they taught at the time and they then coined it into religious books. I believe in my GOD but I do not believe the lies in all religious books. I believe if I am good to myself and my fellow man I will make heaven regardless of what anyone thinks. I do not have to pray through anyone and I do not have to go to any institution or read any book to know that being GOOD is the right thing.

Joshthefirst: you are ignorant

I am not. You are the ignorant one. I don't believe in lies told several decades ago. Science has shown us the universe, dinosaurs and several other things that show that we have been lied to and yet I am ignorant. If I came to you today and told you that I am the one that created the world, you wouldn't believe me but you would believe stories that were written by PRIMITIVE people that lived thousands of years ago. What gives you the impression that they DIDN"T LIE.

OLAADEGBU: It's you that boxed yourself into a tight corner. If you don't know how large Noah's Ark was how then can you object to how many animals that got on board? You now have to box yourself out of the corner.

Unless Noah's ark was as big as the entire earth itself, this story is a MYTH. It was written by PEOPLE. Why is it so hard to believe that PEOPLE LIE.
The same people who said the earth was flat, who said there was a ladder than connected HEAVEN to the earth?
Thank God for Astronauts, we know all that was a lie.

The tale of Noahs ark is actually what it is "TALE"
I bet it was blown out of proportion. What probably happened was a localized flood where he probably saved a handful of domesticated animals.
If anyone believes he saved all the animals in pairs, you need to have yourself checked out. If the leaders that we have today CAN LIE to us with all the technological devices we have today, why is it implausible for people who lived centuries ago to have LIED also. The tale is a MYTH.

The sooner you all reaize that TIME was created by man to preserve and record history, the better. There is no difference between this year and the last two thousand and thirteen ones. It's the same whole day. Always has been, always will be. The earth simply rotates. The year thingy is just a calendar. No such thing as today tomorrow or yesterday. They are just references. So, for those with their prophecies for the so-called year, una well done

Afam4eva: How is he ungrateful when he didn't receive jackshit from the accused. Did you miss the part where he said that people were taking pictures with him for publicity?

He is ungrateful because he is disrespecting the people that donated to save his life. There are thousands dieing everyday in Nigeria who have ailments worse than his. Many of these people were born with these diseases and they are yet to see anyone donate to their course. He had a self-inflicted disease and was lucky to have survived it. Rather than making noise, he should go to church or a mosque, become a PASTOR OR IMAM and thank God for his life. He has no business commenting about what some celebrity did or did not do. It simply shows arrogance and stupidity.

Afam4eva: Where's Safarigirl?

@topic
As much as i think OJB should have let the sleeping dogs lie, i don't like the way some of our celebrities use peoples' misfortune for publicity. D'Banj doesn't owe OJB jackshit but he should have come out to dispell the rumour that he gave 7million when he didn't even give 7naira.

On the contrary, he shouldn't. I think OJB, his publicists, and sympathizers are the ones with issues here. The question is : who put out the statement that Dbanj donated 7million. They probably did it to hoodwink other people into donating hence the issue of bounced cheques. This is a non issue. The guy should go and sit down. I have absolutely no sympathy for him considering his kidney problem wasn't even a natural thing but a self inflicted problem. After drinking your kidneys to death, you still dey talk. He better lay low and enjoy what he has left and stop being an ungrateful biaatch

Siga: .... ... But come to think of it.... these so called celebs worry gan ni... dem giv the guy cheque... tell am to go cash am... the thing bounce... lol... meanwhilly... newspaper don roll news say dem pay... celebs... u guys fit kill person ooo....

That's what happens when you FORCE people to give. Some of them don't have NUTN in their accounts.

shortgun: I cant believe d comments am seeing here, in a sane society dbanj will lose millions of fans, get booed on stage, his songs will drop in billboards e.t.c he might even get an invitation from d police.

What he did was wicked, we are supposed to comndem his actions; wat makes him different frm the scammers on our streets?
With d comments am seeing here coming from d youths of dis con3
I give up.

Quit being silly. Show me a video/audio file where Dbanj said I have given OJB money.

tellwisdom: We made that boi who he is, even with his crap songs, yet he couldn't give a helping hand to the needy. He say em name na Banga lee...Mumu pikin, wey no know where dey pain am

Shame on you. If he helped EVERY single person that needs help, he HIMSELF will be in need of help. Nigeria is in a sorry state today because of our mentality and laziness. If he wants to help, fine, if he choses not to, FINE. He owes nobody nothing

Andyblaze: This man has had his surgery and is back to normal health, why not STFU and go about your normal life rather than try to open another can of worms about who actually donated or not!

Exactly. I don't blame him. If the surgery had been unsuccessful, we won't be hearing all this shait. Nigerians and their sense of entitlement. No one owes anyone anything. He should keep quiet and be glad he was given a second chance.

JbravoAdodger: I'm callin PETA for u.... I don't think u [/b]murdered [b] that chicken in a humane way

PETA for naija? Wetin konsaign agbero with overload. Guy park well juh

Sweet Soup: Would you advice a first time car owner to buy a diesel engine or petrol for use in Nigeria?

I'm sure you are aware that diesel is not subsidized and there are times when its difficult to get. If you think you can afford it, sure but I think its better to just go for a petrol engine. If you want one as a second car, fine , but not as your only car

arcis: Dear All,

I would like to know if there is and correlation between a car mileage and the engine performance. My uncle toyota corolla with mileage 243,950 the engine sound great and the car move efficiently, no smoke, no engine oil shortage, no overheating etc.

I will like to know if car mileage affect engine and the car performance because have also seen a car with mileage 45,000 that smoke, etc.

kindly help me out on this. Thank you in advance.

You also have to consider that the engine may have been replaced.

Naijamericana: The mix of refined products is also affected by the particular blend of crude oil processed by a refinery, and by the capabilities of the refinery. Heavier crude oil will constrain the production of derivatives in less sophisticated refineries.

You are mixing it up. You are talking downstream here. The price of gasoline, diesel, LPO, LGO and other bi-products of crude refining are affected by the cost of crude but the PRICE of CRUDE itself is determined by speculation. The upstream operators do not care whether the refinery can process it or not when the PRICE of CRUDE OIL is being determined. The refineries buy at whatever price is determined at the New York exchange.

The refineries pass on the cost by adjusting the final price of gasoline and other products. This in no way affects the price of Crude oil.
Yes heavy crude, sour crude will be cheaper than sweet crude because of the extra processing but it does not determine the price.

For example, Bonny light - nigerias own sweet crude may sell at 110 per barrel while wti may sell for 100 per barrel because of impurities such as excess CO2 and sulfur that need to be processed. The difference in price is usually 10-15 per barrel.

But the point is that the 110 and the 100 per barrel prices were not set by refineries or any other entity but simply by speculators at the "exchange market"
The cost of processing by the downstream refineries is passed on in the price of gasoline...etc

Naijamericana: Wrong

Actually it's correct. It is just that Speculation is the highest factor.
They Speculate based on supply and demand. i.e whether or not there are more proved reserves available and things like 3billion Chinese and Indians requiring energy for their economy. The main factor though is SPECULATION