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tpiah!:
^surprised you find that a strange concept.

Why?

I don't believe in the existence of a "master race."

Have I posted anything on this forum that says otherwise?

THEMOOR:
I concur. The word nigger is not even part of my vocabulary. Its a byword with negative connotations really an object of scorn. It was first used as a derogatory and racist word for African slaves and their descendants. In order to deafricanize these slaves they used the N word. It really means nothing or non existent. Think about it were is nigger land. There's no such thing but there is a land call Africa. This word has racist origin. The N word is just like some other different words has changed over time. Words go threw different meanings as history past by. For example the word nigger has been reclaimed by black youths particularly in the hip-hop culture. It clearly shows their ignorance. They even try to justify their ignorance by saying its okay for a black person to use it but not okay for whites to call a black person a nigger. If you use it in it's original meaning it means nothing but a slave!!!!!!!!!! and you or consider as nothing but property of the slave master.

Speaking of the slave trade in Nigeria the infamous slave trade in Nigeria is not known to many people like the slave trade in Ghana, Senegal, Togo and Benin. Nigeria and Ghana were former British colonies. But there was a slave port in Nigeria  one is in ancient town of Badagry Nigeria near Lagos. Others were Calabar and Benin. Most of these slaves were Igbo and Yoruba, with significant concentrations of Hausa, Ibibio, and other ethnic groups.

Benin was not a slave port. Itsekiri and Ijaw traders who operated in the periphery of the Benin empire can hardly qualify Benin itself (Benin proper) for the title of a slave port. Slavery was mostly irrelevant to the pre-colonial Benin economy and trade.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-292305.224.html#msg7377080

Fashola, governing until 2033 AD?

Musiwa,:
you, i am from ondo/lagos

You're from Benin Republic.

ekt_bear:
$10 million is enough to buy me.

Money sweet o

[size=16pt]wouldn't sell my integrity for 100 naira though, like beaf did[/size]

[img]http://sheriholdridge.files./2011/01/fightingwords.gif[/img]

Elyas:
@physics, I didnt we had an English teacher in the house, A little slip of my typing fingers do not indicate im lacking the spelling knowledge of the English language. Secondly, I do not give a flip about English. It only means right now a means of communication between me and you baboons.

To the  called Sallinya or whatever the freak poo his called, Listen, you piece of Nigerian LovePeddler, your a whitemen worshipper. You are a con artist, the ones that send me million of fraudalent email messages.

Nigeria is known throughout the whole world as the most corrupt and evil country to have ever existed among the nations of the world. You whole society is corrupt.

Are you kidding me with your attempts of gloriying your hell hole called Nigeria?, Unreal, Btw, for enlightenment you might want to visit my blog, you dam baboon, myhajj..com

"Somalis think and believe there are no superior race then them, it is engrained in our genetic makeup,"






What a clown.

@ topic,

No.

aloy-emeka:
[size=14pt]Corps member accuses Osun monarch of violation[/size]
By Tunde Odesola, Osogbo
Wednesday, 6 Apr 2011


DG, NYSC, Tsiga
A member of the National Youth Service Corps (name withheld), on Tuesday accused the Alowa of Ilowa, Oba Bukola Alli, of despoiling her in Osogbo, Osun State capital, on Friday, March 25, 2011.


She alleged that the monarch violated her without using a condom.

wtf?

Bizarre statement. Do despoilers use protection?

Elyas:
Long live the great and horoic people of Somalia,

"Horoic" indeed.

Up Somalia.

namfav:
without islam we are nothing

That says it all right there.

^^

I don't know if you can access this article, but it deals with the "Igala question" in detail:

http://www.jstor.org/stable/537544

If you can't access it, I'll start a thread in the culture section and post the whole thing later.


As for the "proto-Kwa" group, it seems plausible to me, but that's a different thing entirely from stating that any of the specific groups descended from this hypothetical "proto-Kwa" group produced or contributed heavily to producing one of the other groups.

yellow journalism

If you go back far enough in time, Jews and Arabs seem to have the same origin, but it doesn't mean that there is or ever was a Pan-Semitic (Jews, Arabs, others) movement or claims/insinuations that the Jews branched off from the Arabs or vice versa just because of similarities between the two.

naijaking1:
The point is that Igbo influence traverses Anioma and other currently Igbo speaking people west of the Niger.
A basic anthropological unity between Igbos and their immediate neighbours cannot be denied by any serious scholar. Igalas clearly have Igbo ancestry, or Igbos clearly have Igala ancestry. Same goes for Ibibios, Efiks, Idomas, Urobos, and yes Yorubas.

1. Anthropological unity? Igala and Igbo actually do not seem to form an ethnographic unit, from what I've read on the two groups. Perhaps you could explain to me what this anthropological unity was between Igalas and Igbos besides the words you think are indicative of Igboness.
2. This claim that Igalas "clearly" have Igbo ancestry seems unsupported and I suspect that it has something to do with the preponderance of "Igbo-like" words among Igala. In reality, the Igala language is actually most closely related to the Yoruba language, yet they don't seem to be descended from the Yoruba. Why not just accept that they can be like the Igbos and Yorubas without having to be of the Yorubas and/or Igbos? This is not a difficult concept to grasp.
3. Ibibio and Efik culture seems quite distinct from Igbo culture actually. That some groups intermixed with Igbos at some times is quite a different thing from proving some ancient ancestral relationship for the whole group.
4. Idomas, Urhobos, etc. may have some sub-groups that claim Igbo ancestry, but that is hardly a large faction.

ekt_bear:
Hrm, I for some reason thought the writing appeared before the Sokoto Caliphate. . . was giving them credit for that.

I think they get some credit for trade though:
https://i52.tinypic.com/9ih4es.png

There definitely was Hausa writing before the Sokoto Caliphate. See my first google books link in my post. The scholar Dan Masani (1595-1667)  of Katsina is an example of a pre-Fulani writer.

My point was that it was Arabic derived and not important or developed to the level of, say, Timbuktu. So I don't see how they were "far more advanced and sophisticated." It was as if they were basically just given writing (like most of the rest of the world, as most groups derived their writing from other groups) but didn't do much with it until the Fulanis came along. Even the Kano chronicle only came after the Fulanis.

As for trade, I don't think that's evidence of them being far more advanced and sophisticated than other groups, but it does indicate an impressive level of development.

If you want to get a better idea of how all of the different Nigerian groups fared in pre-colonial times, I would strongly recommend Thomas Hodgkin's Nigerian Perspectives (the 2nd edition). It has a lot of invaluable accounts of how different cities and peoples were living in those times from primary sources.

There's not much evidence for major centers of Hausa writing prior to the Fulani conquest, actually. A few writings here and there, but nothing really substantial.

http://books.google.com/books?id=gfH2A6AhZ7wC&pg=PA204&dq=early+hausa+poetry&hl=en&ei=WbObTfvVFIuhtwfivKXUBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CD4Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=early%20hausa%20poetry&f=false

In any case, it shows that they chose to adapt to Arabic writing, something which other groups in Nigeria could have done with European languages if they had decided to.


However, after the Fulani invasion, thousands of scholarly works,  many of them religious, were produced by Uthman dan Fodio and his followers.


As for long distance trade, that seems to have more to do with Arabs than with the Hausas themselves:

http://books.google.com/books?id=bOdSMvlA7zsC&pg=PA40&lpg=PA40&dq=early+hausa+writing&source=bl&ots=oPMnTysriC&sig=uNHlw_bFaxxCaeqt87wNUnRVuyc&hl=en&ei=Cq-bTduuLdGjtgeP0um5Bw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDMQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false

Anyway, there were other major trade centers in Nigeria outside of Hausaland in 1700.

Nchara:
PhysicsMHD:

There is an Igala Igbo connection. There is an intermingling of northern anambra Igbo and Igalas. You hardly know who is Igbo there. The name Attah is both Igbo and Igalla.

EzeUche:
There has been mingling among various groups. It depends on who borders you.

Igbo-Igala
Igbo-Bini
Igbo-Ibibio
Igbo-Idoma
Igbo-Kalabari
Igbo-Ijaw
Igbo-Isoko

etc etc etc

I know there is an Igala-Igbo connection. That's not in dispute. I just don't see how one can assert that an "Igbo-sounding" Igala word must derive from Igbo contact or ancestry. If Igala was in a different language group I could see it, but since it's not the claim seems presumptuous. If you actually look at Igala words and names you might begin to realize that there are such a large number of "Igbo-like" and "Yoruba-like" words that if those two groups (Igbo and Yoruba) were allowed to claim that this or that Igala word was as a result of Igbo or Yoruba ancestry, the Igalas would have much less left and would apparently be some sort of Yoruba-Igbo hybrid, which they actually aren't.

ekt_bear:
What sort of proof are you looking for? Make it specific, and I'll try to support this position.

Also, I'm not at all convinced any more that Ibadan is less populated than Kano is:
https://i51.tinypic.com/24exto4.png

See this report: http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dpu-projects/Global_Report/pdfs/Ibadan.pdf

Especially Section 3.2.

Ibadan was the largest city in sub-Saharan Africa up until 1970. The rise of Lagos would have slowed down its growth, but probably not killed it. Map #1 (on page 4) of the above report offers some evidence for that.

Well, I thought you would have specifics, since you believe they were more advanced and sophisticated. Perhaps I'm missing something, but in 1700, what was so advanced about the Hausas? All their cities would be conquered a hundred years later rather quickly by an alien group (Fulani) that was not significantly more technologically advanced than them, so how advanced and sophisticated were they really?

As for Ibadan vs. Kano, it's not really clear since there are not accurate census figures and it's not clear whether the entire metropolitan area or just the center is being counted for both cities in the different censuses.

naijaking1:
You're right.
Have you ever wondered why Yorubas and Igbos have the word for God? Orisa, Orisha, Olisa? Anthropologically, the vernacular word of important words such as God, tends to show common ancestry and history.
I drove drove from Abuja to Enugu last year, and was surprised to see towns named Ejula, Eboyi-Afor, and Achalla right in middle of Kogi state. These are Igbo names, and while no-one is claiming to adjust Igbo boundaries into Kogi, the native people of the area certainly know their history. My point is that we're probably more similar than we're different.

Maybe these are Igala names. There are not necessarily ethnic monopolies on certain kinds of names and words.

Nchara:
I did read a certain WHO country report (2007, not so sure) where Abia was among the top 5 in health indices. Has things changed that much from 2007? There is nothing going on in Imo that is not going on in Abia and even more. I am from that general area.

Okay then you're probably right. This same BBC report is claiming Ijaws are 10% of Nigeria, so I wouldn't be surprised if they got a few more things wrong.

naijaking1: My understanding is that the whole south easthern Nigeria, from western Cameron to as far east as where we call Yorubaland today, up to and including most of Kogi, Benue, and up to the Adamawa mountains are inhabited by people who had the same ancestral relationship with the people we call Igbos today. There is no doubt even before the civil war, that the number of people who identified themselves as Igbos or as having Igbo ancestors was more than we have today.
Igbos are just Igbos, meaning the World. Like the Igbos themselves would ask, Igbo ebe k'isi bia---which part of the World did you come from.

1. "to as far east as where we call Yorubaland today" ? Where?
2.  "Most of Kogi, Benue," etc? By this you mean that Igalas claim Igbo ancestry? I have never read anything written or recorded from before or after the civil war that shows Igalas identifying with an Igbo origin or ancestry.

ekt_bear:
@Nchara: These things happened for concrete reasons. The Hausa man is not inherently evil. He was certainly more advanced and sophisticated than you or I 300 years ago. Just things changed, the importance of those desert trade routes decreased, they had some bad leaders who didn't allow them to Westernize.

Try to be a bit more humane.

Proof?

Nchara:
The analysis makes sense in the following areas

1. Poverty more in the North than South
2. Literacy level highets among Igbo women (but male too)
3. South more developed than North (Abuja is exempt)
4. Health index (although Abia should have been as green as Imo and Anambra)
5. Oil and gas were rightly credited to where they mostly belong: Niger Delta and parts of Igboland

Does not make sense in these areas:
1. Population attributed to ethnic groups: We do not have data to support that.
2. Yoruba is not = Muslims and Christians only. They have as many animists if not more, than the East
3. Ondo was missed out in the oil and gas
4. Wealth was skewed. Anambra and Imo, Delta and Akwa Ibom should be as purple, if not more purple than Oyo

@ bold 4, you know this because. . .?

@ other 4, Akwa Ibom? Enlighten me.

Nchara:
More crowded with people most of whom are either blind, crippled, diseased, beggarly or religiously fanatical.

?

Have you lived there? Just wondering.

Anyways, I don't see what that has to do with anything.

"cosmopolitan" does not mean "metropolitan"  @ emmatok


I think he was saying Kano is more urbanized and crowded.

fstranger3:
No one wants a loud-mouth in government or as a spiritual advisor, loud mouths bring back bad memory of the father, uncle or close relative you resent who never fails to criticize every little thing you do.

Fstranger, a street corner psychoanalyst? Who would have guessed?

Kilode?!:
They finally moved this thread to the Travel Section

56 pages late.

Good job mods.

The youths accused the state government of failing to carry them along since its inception.

What does this even mean?

GREAT thread. Some really funny pics and cartoons there.

Zuma looks a bit silly dancing. That Zulu outfit is kind of. . .


lol @ Berlusconi's crotch grabbing. There's even a stereotype that Italians do that (see Eddie Murphy's Raw).

ifyalways was saying that back in those days ("then"), a woman who had her first period was considered marriage eligible in certain cultures. She was not saying that it is her belief that a girl is marriage eligible once she has her period. People should read statements more carefully and in context or ask for clarification if they still don't get it, before rushing to confront somebody based on their own (mis)interpretations of what is stated.

ezeagu:
[center]https://www.ofaac.org/images/cultural_festival3.jpg[/center]

Why are Anioma people dressed like Nri-Awka (Anambra) people?

http://www.ofaac.org/festival/index.php

The red coral shirts/blouses actually look like those shirts Benin people have been wearing for hundreds of years, in my opinion. The rest of the clothing is Igbo, however.