₦airaland Forum

Oh. Didn't know. I should have posted this yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aIETbhb-Rs&feature=related

sbeezy8:
i dont believe in african unity


i believe in you do you i do me and if youre a babe you do you and ill do you aswell

lol

ekt_bear:
Why is population size the basis for a state, though? They are considered a distinct ethnic group, and a pretty large part of Delta seems to be their historic territory. Why is their state considered non-viable?

Population is the basis for a state because not every one of Nigeria's many distinct ethnic groups can just be accorded their own state merely for being distinct. There has to be an actual reason/problem. Until the Itsekiri start being actually marginalized it would just be division for the sake of division.

Warri is the only major flashpoint, I thought?

Warri is pretty big though. Didn't Beaf say the Urhobo have 80% of Warri? I don't know if the Ijaw and Itsekiri would agree with that Urhobo figure. They might have Itsekiri and Ijaw estimates for the amount of Warri that each group occupies.

Also, I'm sure there are probably a few other ethnic "border" areas where things could get heated.

I never understood this type of stuff personally. Igbo is Igbo, is it not? Why would they seek to be dominating each other. Just implement something like zoning if it such a big deal. People are too divisive and shortsighted, imo

It is. I don't really understand the division among the leaders, but I bet that if it was put to a vote today, a decision by referendum among the actual people would easily favor the creation of Anioma state with or without any guarantees of power for this or that Igbo sub-group.

Spader9:
"Police said Gboweh Dickson George killed Rodney Palmer when he riddled Palmer’s family’s southwest Houston apartment with bullets. Rodney’s 9-year old brother Marcus Jackson and 25-year-old woman were also wounded in the shooting."

That's a filthy nigerian. Da*n thug.

Gboweh is a 100% Liberian name, you filthy, s[i]h[/i]it infested, s[i]h[/i]itty looking, s[i]h[/i]it brained, s[i]h[/i]it loving piece  of s[i]h[/i]it.








Actually, I take all of that back. All of those comparisons are far too insulting to s[i]h[/i]it. You're much less than s[i]h[/i]it.

"Don't you have someone's gate to tend to"?

And you're calling me corny. 

Anyways, I'm done.



Have a nice day 




[size=1pt]And a nice green DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK! [/size]

MzDarkSkin:
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[size=16pt]I'd rather engage in bestiality.[/size]
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Those poor animals. Smh. . .

Itsekiri state? I think they're barely over a million.



As for the rest, the Delta Ijaw, Itsekiri, and Urhobo aren't going to be deliberately divided by any government that wants a good record or wants to be remembered positively because of the chaos and bickering that would result from land disputes and claims of "ownership" etc.


Nothing wrong with option D, but apparently the different Igbo groups haven't really reached an agreement on how they would run the state (who would be running the show). There was a thread on nairaland from a while back where something was mentioned about the Ukwuani basically wanting to dominate. Here's an ethnic map of Delta state:

https://www.waado.org/cgi-bin/odemerho_maps/Delta_Ethnic_final.jpg

MzDarkSkin:
[color=#0066ff]i MIGHT be a 'shameless ho' but atleast I am not as jobless as you.
btw if your dck looks like that I can see why you are not getting any pun. 
small azz ballz, and low sp3rm count.  Impotent bottyclot.  [/color]

Why are you still talking?


Shouldn't you be swallowing?  

Catch the  's

And no my di[i]c[/i]k doesn't look like that. My di[i]c[/i]k is not green, and wouldn't fit on this forum. You would be thinking about my di[i]c[/i]k though. What with you being a ho and all. . . . . .(surprised you admitted it)

MzDarkSkin:
[color=#0066ff]will.


you.


shut.


up.


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Here's some Naija c[i]o[/i]ck, like you asked for:

              
                                                   
             
                                            
           
                                                        
           
           
                                        
                                                                       
                                                      
                                                                                   
           
                                                               
           
                                                                          
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
   
 
 
 
                




Stick that in your mouth for a while and you'll calm down and stop snapping at me.   


Notice the green white and green.   



[size=4pt]shameless ho [/size]

Goldieluks:
i have no grandma,so ,will you be my grandma?
i will pay you if you want. no offiense.

Goldieluks:
jeez mzdark,your status

you really looking for naija cock?
mrs chima has corrupted you.

Basically. 

smh. . .

lol @ cork.

Funny. . .

Disgraceful. . .

funny thread. . .

@ ChinenyeN, are you referring to this? :

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-500126.640.html#msg6663054

ChinenyeN: Now, taking all of this and simplifying it, we see that among the founders of the earliest Bonny 'dynasties', there existed two elements, Ngwa Igbo (Ubhani) and Brass Ijo (Beni). Although, all things considered (as in, the traditions of origins, as told by the elders, and the information contained in those books, written by Ijo, Igbo, as well as Europeans), I'm highly inclined to make some deductions of my own. . . but that's not the point. The point is that there are two pre-colonial/pre-slave trade, founding elements in Bonny, and it would be improper to deny such.

I was not aware of this and this seems entirely plausible. So Bonny was a mix. In this case, the argument of whether Bonny people are Igbo or Ijaw becomes kind of pointless.

ChinenyeN:
People just don't seem to tire of fighting these non-issues. Maybe people should read into the works of Alagoa, Fombo and Oriji, since some don't want to hear when someone tells them something. Note their discussions on the migration route, sojourning period and chronology given.

^^^^

Never heard of those authors. Anyway, in a short summary, what do they say regarding Bonny? I'm no expert on Bonny, but the case some people were making on this thread for Bonny people being other than what they seem to say they are didn't seem that strong to me.

funny fake story

Toilet paper?



Definitely worse than pens.

Hmmm, just seeing this.

FACE: How can Bonny be an Igbofied Ijaw state  ? You pointed at possible migration of Ijaws from the western axis and still concluded that they must have been the original inhabitants of Bonny. Unless migration of Ndi Igbo to Bonny was in the form of a massive invasion with overwhelming population, there is no way they could have lost their language to Igbo.

This doesn't make much sense from a logical stand point. A smaller group can easily lose their language to a larger group. The most obvious example is the many Nigerian Fulanis who can no longer speak Fulfulde, although there other examples still. As for me supposedly "still concluding that they must have been the original inhabitants of Bonny" I based that on the fact that the Bonny people themselves were claiming ancient Ijaw ancestry rather than Igbo ancestry when it was not particularly in their interest to do so. The Ndoki tribe claimed to have migrated from the central Ijo area, or was G.I. Jones' information unreliable (Abagworo says he had the "most accurate account" yet Richard Burton of all people (who concluded that Binis were a Yoruba sub-group when he visited Benin City!  - compare this with his concluding that this or that person was Igbo rather than Ijaw based on outward appearances and similarities and you'll see why I brought this up) concluding this or that person or group is Igbo is more reliable?

As for the assertion that there is "no way" they could have lost their language, I would have to strongly disagree, based on other groups in Nigeria who now speak Hausa despite not being invaded in overwhelming numbers by Hausas. But don't take my word for it.:

"The Ijo language which seems to have a lower survival power than
Sobo is quite distinct from any other Delta tongue; Bini, Abo Ibo,
Sobo, Erohwa, Isoko have however many similarities, together
with Ishekiri(Jekri )they seem to bear some relation to Yoruba."

- The Isoko Tribe
   Author(s): James W. Welch
  Source: Africa: Journal of the International African Institute, Vol. 7, No. 2 (Apr., 1934), pp.
  160-173

http://www.jstor.org/stable/1155529

By all accounts, Bonny was a trading port and 14 houses were mentioned but the activities of two of those houses (Manila and Pepple) were given in detail as a result of their dominance of the other houses. Those two houses were headed by Igbo people; strange achievements by outsiders.

By this same reasoning, are you implying that the ascendancy of Jaja of Opobo (an outsider) in an area from which he did not originate was such a "strange achievement" that we should believe that he is unlikely to have been a stranger, originally from the Igbo hinterland, when everything we know says otherwise? If these houses were  headed by Igbos, and these houses were dominating trade, is that really all that unusual or "strange" if we assume that the Igbos heading those houses were better traders? This may or may not be the case, but it's a distinct possibility.

For example: "Fubara (Manilla) Pepple, who, as second son, succeeded his father, had left his house under the management of a very able Igbo ex-slave, Ibaniburufia (Ibani); and the latter, on being confirmed as chief, succeeded in building up the fortunes of this house until it was the most powerful in Bonny."

http://books.google.com/books?id=8drXpCGaT-UC&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=erinashabo&source=bl&ots=8HdpPwPVgP&sig=iiGipwJCLQrArDxgPrFG8r_JWcc&hl=en&ei=mOGlTb2nDYqPtwfApNi-Ag&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=erinashabo&f=false

Fubara (the second son of the king), however, is an Ijaw name. So is Perekule ("Pepple". So this argument that the prominence of trading houses run by Igbos in Bonny implies Igbo founding of and original inhabitation of Bonny ignores the very real possibility of economic prominence of Igbos in an originally foreign land due to their own individual abilities.

Let me give you another example of what I was pointing out with regard to "Igbofied" Ijaw areas that may have been, on the surface, indistinguishable (culturally) from truly  Igbo areas to Europeans at some point:

http://books.google.com/books?id=cwFFAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA41&dq=little+ibo+brass+language&hl=en&ei=59ylTZqML8X0tgfnr-S8Ag&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=little%20ibo%20brass%20language&f=false

^^^

This author is noting that a group of people who speak the "Brass" (Ijaw) language and are not of the "Ibo nation" were being referred to (their town, that is) as "Little Ibo" by Europeans. He is completely at a loss as to why this could be.

I conclude that if the history of the remaining twelve houses had been told like the other two houses, I would not be surprised to find that they were Igbo led as well. The tail does not wag the dog, therefore smaller groups do not swallow up larger groups/original groups and it is evident in Bonny and Opobo.

Here are some of the other houses:

http://books.google.com/books?id=pIR-mgBiJ-gC&pg=PA105&lpg=PA105&dq=barbot+bonny&source=bl&ots=v0opbpyTd6&sig=mewPl4QXCrRjJsKjapC641Zmi4E&hl=en&ei=mMJeTaehGM-utwfxxoW7DA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=sinaminabofori&f=false

(^ click on p. 122)

http://books.google.com/books?id=8drXpCGaT-UC&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=erinashabo&source=bl&ots=8HdpPwPVgP&sig=iiGipwJCLQrArDxgPrFG8r_JWcc&hl=en&ei=mOGlTb2nDYqPtwfApNi-Ag&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=erinashabo&f=false

Only a few of the other names seem Igbo to me (but I could be wrong, so do correct me if I'm missing something) and several look distinctly Ijaw (Sinaminabofori, "Erinashabo" (Iringeresibo), Kiepirima, Epelle, Amanibieyefori, Ibifa, Ibanigo, Uranta, etc.) which suggests a disproportionately high Ijaw influence that is unlikely to have been transplanted by a few later migrant fishermen/traders to the trading houses that were central to Bonny.  In fact the second link above explicitly says that seven of these houses were founded by Igbo ex-slaves, yet the houses were given Ijaw names.

The iguana illustration could be likened to Nottinghill carnival, which is celebrated annually in London. It doesn't some how infer that the Carribeans were in London before the English. Language is dynamic but culture is far more dynamic than language as interesting cultures are more readily adopted by other cultures.

How do you know that Iguana reverence would have been perceived as an "interesting" aspect of Ijaw culture that it would be adopted by others? I'm not making any statement either way and have no particular opinion on the practice, but you do know that in addition to revering the Iguana, if they met an Iguana they could not kill it and if an Iguana died they had to perform a burial for the Iguana? Do  you really think such an unusual practice would just be adopted merely because it was "interesting"?

And like I said, can you really explain away Iguana reverence? Reverence of the sea, the sun, the forest, etc., that's all commonplace. But an Iguana cult?

If the Ijaws became Igbo like, it simply means that they were in the minority and were also the later migrants.

If they were in the minority and the later migrants, it's unlikely that there'd be significant traces of Ijaw culture left, not to talk of their war gods and revered animals being adopted and trading houses being named after Ijaws.

If they settled and adopted Igbo culture, they did not adopt the culture out of no where and it simply means that the culture was there before their arrival.

You're just asserting this, though. "Why shouldn't they adopt Igbo culture after heavy interaction with Igbos?" is a question that could just as easily be asked as a rejoinder. It was never suggested that they adopted the culture "out of nowhere." The heavy degree of Igbo-Ijaw interaction is not denied.

What matters now is how they view themselves today.

Do they view themselves as Igbo today? If they do, then forget everything I said. I'm all for Igbo groups that were brainwashed into denying their ethnicity acknowledging it, but I think this Bonny claim is pushing it and crossing over into something else entirely. Not that this thread can have any effect on real life though. To decide that they really are Igbo, or that they're Ijaw, or a mix, is entirely up to the actual people of Bonny.

If you like him, go for it.

mbell:
he likes me, i know he does,  everyone does infact,

Everyone likes you?








Or, do you mean, [size=16pt]Everybody Knows[/size]?

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ekt_bear:
At least he doesn't want you to be a ho

Why can't women look at the bright side of things

lol

Funny.


I wish pens were the only thing politicians stole in Nigeria.

BABE!:
^^I think he had to know, coz if the PH.D is in Catering and Hotel management, then she might as well be a housewife.

lol,

Hotel Administration doctorates? Didn't know those existed.

fstranger3:
^^^^
You just have to know that to post a comment, innit?

Yeah. I would feel wrong advising her to go ahead with the Ph.D. if it's not really necessary in order to achieve at the highest levels in that particular field or to be a legitimate scholar in that field. That is something to take into consideration. Does she want the Ph.D for its usefulness in advancing in that field and to increase her knowledge of that field or just for the title of "Dr."? If it's for the title, then she probably shouldn't risk damaging a good relationship on something which might just be ornamentation. I was asking so I could try and find out if there were routes to the heights of achievement in her subject area other than completing a Ph.D.

Great article.

What area/subject is the Ph.D. in?

Sun of god:
I was receiving orders from 'Nairalnders'
https://d.yimg.com/a/p/rids/20110411/i/r2384929145.jpg?

LMAO!