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Ochi_Agha: Ochi_Agha:Guy, why do you keep giving yourself away as EzeUche? This is classic EzeUche. Just stick to EzeUche. That tribalist poll was no big deal. |
Not really. Just not a good speaker. He seems to have decent command of English grammar, unlike Patience. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKmtaR8wKBI&feature=related ^^^^^ This is great. |
That face is not very feminine by my standards, but to each his own. |
ARE YOU REALLY, TRULY, ACTUALLY, this [size=14pt]DUMB[/size]? Let's take this idiocy apart line by line. buzugee:What does that have to do with what I earlier posted you incorrigible dunce? The event of 1897 which your hyena brain kept making you allude to or explicitly reference was a conflict separate from the other conquests of the rest of Nigeria. Prior to that war, Nana of Itsekiri was deposed and it was even Itsekiri traders that spread the message to Benin that the white man was bringing war, allowing Benin to know to send a preemptive strike force to destroy a British party whose intention was to replace the Oba with a British stooge. Regardless, there were no 200,000 soldiers to fight the British invaders. it happened in the biafran war. in war people unite against the common enemy. all petty differences are put aside. my enemies enemy is my friend.Are you too dense and dull to grasp that the common enemy for a few groups WAS Benin and that these were not mere "petty differences" but longstanding discontent and that they would not ally with Benin only to preserve the existing power balance? if you choose the side of an invader (which by your low IQ we can guess is what you will do seeing as you are justifying some taking sidesWhat on earth are you rambling about? What's this about "brothers"? Were groups of people who mostly knew only other black people and didn't even understand the ways of nor constantly intermingle with these other groups of blacks supposed to develop some sort of black nationalist ideology apropos of nothing? Dumbass. Let's take the example of the Aro: General William C.G. Heneker, Bush Warfare:Should the groups of people around Obegu have allied with the British, or with those who raid and sell their people? Benin was insignificant in the slave trade but it can certainly not have been expected that those who opposed its power over regional trade would just up and realign with it on the random basis that the people of Benin looked more similar to them than the invaders of Benin. Anachronistic application of black nationalist ideology to history is completely imbecilic. then that pretty much explains my whole point which is nigerians are tribalistic cowardsComing from the dunce who blindly advocated the transfer of all African cultural property to Europeans because he's too scared to see if Africans have the competence to curate the pieces themselves. Coming from the coward who sits behind a computer reading conspiracy theory crap but then typing stuff about picking up arms to fight the power structure. and the stupidity that is compounded is yours because i did not say 'blacks', i am refering to nigerians but your chicken brain is too silly to read between the lines. i am the same person who trumped out the black people i admire. any person with an iota of brain cell can then deduce that i am not referring to all black people.You goat brained lying fool if you mean to say Nigerians say Nigerians don't later completely change what you are referring to to Nigerians and then COWARDLY accuse others of "not reading between the lines" when your rambling idiotic contradictions are exposed. You specifically said: this is what i am talking about. even today you can see traits like this. africans very brave and brazen when they are in front of a fellow black man but when a white man appears they become subservient and meek and humble and timid.Africans = only Nigerians? Pinhead. Say what you mean and mean what you say. If you degrade every black African in one generalization I will not out of nowhere take it to reference only Nigerians because of prior references to brave Zulus and Ethiopians. Or does black Africa now consist of Ethiopia, Zululand, and Nigeria? Clown. I would like to apologize to all the other posters in this thread and those all those in general who are concerned about a sick man's health for contributing to the massive derailment of an already somewhat derailed thread, however some things just need to be countered, some fool is saying 1000 British men conquered all of Nigeria. |
buzugee:Are you truly, really, and actually, this dumb? In a population of 40 million, there are different separate groups, not all of which are city-states with armies and not all of which are averse to the coming of white invaders but some who actually welcome them with open arms and some who are just traders or farmers. Furthermore these groups all fought in separate conflicts with whites and some did not fight at all or fought on the side of white invaders because it was actually against their interests to preserve the existing power balance. Furthermore, until white visitors commit any transgressions, why would there be mass mobilizations of all fit youth to fight them? Dunce. To compound your stupidity you directly contradict yourself. You earlier express admiration for the Zulus, Haitians and Ethiopians, all of whom are black and fought in tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands (Ethiopians) against white invaders or oppressors then you come and say blacks can only amass huge armies to fight civil wars or against other blacks. |
200,000 soldiers in 1897 is a complete fabrication. Who said 1000 British soldiers fought or whooped 40 million people or the armies of the societies in which these 40 million were found? Not I. Not History. Not Reality. |
something that also baffles me, how a group of nigerians can be mobilized to fight a war and they show so much bravery in war and yet like 1000 white men come in and dominate all these warriors and whip them all in 'punitive measures'How unsubtle a reference. Stop spewing crap you know nothing about . What ludicrous comparisons. The Ethiopian army heavily outnumbered the Italian forces and had the advantage of Russian military advisers plus knowledge of the enemies intent to attack and furthermore, the Ethiopians deliberately initiated the offensive on the Italians by revolting and repudiating a treaty after ammassing modern weapons for years and being sure they were in a position to fight. And some oaf is comparing this to a few Dane guns and arrows and spears versus many Maxim guns. Who told you 1000 British soldiers defeated 200,000 Nigerians? There were no 200,000 soldiers in any Nigerian kingdom or city-state in 1897. It's funny how 16th and 17th century references to the size of the army of a certain city-state are now extrapolated by lazy pseudo-scholars to the 19th century when there is direct written evidence by those who actually conducted the invasion that contradicts this fanciful tale of hundreds of thousands of soldiers of opposition. A certain city-state had its end brought about by Nigerian collaborationists (Hausas, and local Niger Delta recruits) and cowardly British troops hiding behind Maxim machine guns while their African recruits did most of the fighting (by their (British soldiers) own admission even!) and yet someone is here spewing crap about groups that went to fight Africans with single shot rifles being defeated by those Africans. Resistance continued from this 1897 date to 1899 by one General Ologbosere and by Oviaweri Now get back to the topic of Ojukwu and stop giving the forum a chance to see how daft you are. |
dayokanu:The reason any and everyone thinks they are the same is because they type damn near identically and say much of the same things ("SE, one of the highest population density in the world," maps to buttress this point, multiple references to udueze, etc.) and of course the glaring fact that one is usually absent whenever the other is posting consistently. I don't think Ezeuche would have any reason to get another username though, it would serve no purpose- he's pretty brash and unashamed of everything he says as Ezeuche. The half African American half Nigerian Omenani/Ochi Agha was a bit unbelievable though because the first thing that username did when it got into an argument with bkbabe was to call him ghetto trash. |
All I saw was the robot. |
bk.babe97y:How long does it take you to read a few sentences? 5 minutes? I already said the omission of #3 was a simple error. But of course you would actually think I was saying #3 in your post was wrong because I made the error of omitting it in my first sentence [i]when I'm the person who initially mentioned that he was a Yoruba man and I'm the one who first stated what you stated in #3 [/i]and even knew exactly who the Yoruba man was. I asserted #3, I wouldn't then assert that you were wrong on #3, unless it was a slip up or I was hellbent on contradicting what I had just claimed. Anyways, your idiocy on this forum has already been established in numerous threads. Hence the idiotic assumption that that was some symposium on elections in Eastern Nigeria with no evidence for that when a simple google search could have revealed what the conference was about. |
I should have said only 2 & 3 were correct earlier. |
bk.babe97y:I never said what you said on # 3 was wrong. I was clarifying who he was since you wrote "according to NLers- - - - and this hasnt been disputed)" as if there was possible room for doubt or dispute. If I say exactly who he is, then I (the NLer you referenced) leave no room for dispute or for it to only be seen as my claim as a NLer, as anyone can then check that it is Bolaji Aluko for themselves. But, anyways, the rest of what you posted was false. Only 2 & 3 were on point, and #3 was what I earlier stated. (edited) |
bk.babe97y:Only point. # 2 is correct. #3 the man whose hand Ojukwu is holding is Bolaji Aluko. |
Prophecy. Courtesy of this globe dot comMany people on this forum engage in occasionally successful political forecasting. |
Fake. Anyways, wrong forum section. |
It's really about knowing the strength of the other side. Ojukwu did actually build up arms before declaring independence, contrary to what you asserted here, but he underestimated the connections and resources of the other side. |
Ridiculous. |
With regard to unilateral declarations of independence, theoretically there is no reason why war must be declared against the breakaway segment, especially if the other part of the country does not have the weapons to fight against the breakaway part or if the government of the other part just suddenly does not care, but theory is somewhat different from reality. Then again independence is not usually obtained democratically , so if one has to have it, it's probably not going to come about through bilateral talks. |
Jakumo:LMAO Have to cosign this. |
It would be better to at least get something on the ground first before announcing to the media that you plan to get something on the ground. Regardless, the initiative displayed here is commendable. |
isale_gan2:The man whose hand he was holding and who he was speaking to is a Yoruba man. As for this thread, I also don't understand what the OP was trying to get across. |
Not for anonymous dudes half way across the world. ![]() |
opabukun:Take correction then. In 1892 the Oba (not Obi) of Benin gave a bronze horseman figurine to a trader as a gift. However, artifacts such as this one were all obtained after the sack of Benin in 1897 when the palace was looted, not in exchange for mirrors. |
buzugee:Don't need science and tech in Nigeria? Pick up arms? Liberate you from the power structure? Clearly you're a fool, clown, and a waste of space. Your priorities are fu-cked. While this UK that you worship catapulted itself into world relevance off its science (Newton, Industrial revolution, royal society, Faraday, and more) and its technical knowledge is one of the main reasons they have so much of that money you love to scam from them your brainless self is advocating that people wait until they have the most favorable and progressive political atmosphere before acquiring any technical capability. buzugee:"Bruh" you're full of nonsense. You type so much, yet almost all of it is bullshit. When are you going to do anything with your life? Like I said before, if it's not your headache, stifle yourself on this particular thread and go back to scooping up British welfare instead of spewing garbage. |
That whole family has beat up faces. |
buzugee:Did you even read the article I posted above? "Mr Grant is in the city this weekend to champion his cause and to call on Scots to look to their own feelings of national identity to understand what motivates the royals of Benin" I don't claim to be a royal but just as every Scot has a right to see his cultural heritage in his people's own hands, every African has a right to see that African cultural treasures are not in the hands of those who stole them forcefully but in the hands of each particular African group. As a Benin man, and a direct descendant of a holder of one of the highest offices of the Benin Kingdom, this is my particular concern, not "another man's headache." If it is not your headache, why are you here spreading misinformation and reasoning like a child to defend this auction? If you were a British person and furthermore, a British art historian or museum curator I could understand what would motivate the crap you've been spreading on this thread, but since that is not the case, I must ask, if it is not your headache, how about silencing yourself since you clearly don't know anything? |
buzugee:Is this real? Did I just read this rubbish? Your ancestors, like mine, were colonized and exploited and put into arbitrary colonial structures because they were technologically outmatched and scientifically outmatched and for no other reason. The correct course of action is to see how to pursue this science and technology which is the root of world power and see how it can be brought to bear in Africa (one of my life goals), not to become a brainless crook and sit back in dependency on those who will still be your technological superiors regardless of how much you steal from them. To think that you actually believe you've redressed any wrongs is ridiculous. |
Glasgow museum director rejects request from Africa for return of looted artefacts Battle royal for Benin relics By ALISON HARDIE Share 25 Jan 1997 EXCLUSIVE THE director of a Scottish museum was at the centre of an international row last night over the rights of a small African nation to reclaim royal artefacts plundered by British colonial troops a century ago. A formal request by the King of Benin for the return of 22 bronze and ivory relics before the anniversary of their theft in February has been rejected by Mr Julian Spalding, the director of Glasgow's museums. The struggle to wrest the pieces from Kelvingrove Art Gallery, where they sit in a glass case, has been taken on by Mr Bernie Grant MP, who is also the chairman of the Africa Reparations Movement. He maintains the controversy echoes Scotland's own fight to have the Stone of Destiny returned from Westminster, granted only last year by the Government. He has the endorsement of a local Labour MP, Mr George Galloway and, it is understood, the tacit support of Glasgow City Council, which has been advised by Mr Spalding not to comply with demands of the Benin royal family. Mr Grant is in the city this weekend to champion his cause and to call on Scots to look to their own feelings of national identity to understand what motivates the royals of Benin, which neighbours Nigeria in west Africa. Yesterday, as he viewed the Benin collection, Mr Grant was involved in an amicable but heated meeting with Mr Mark O'Neill, the museum's head of curatorial services. Most of the Benin religious and cultural objects currently in British museums and other institutions were looted in February 1897 from Benin City during the battle to carve up Africa into spheres of influence by the major European powers. Mr Grant, who appeared genuinely moved when shown the majestic carved relics, said: ``These belong to a living culture and have a deep historic and social value which goes far beyond the aesthetic and monetary value which they hold in exile. ``For many years now, there has been a demand for these religious and cultural objects to be returned to Benin and, as the centenary of their looting approaches, the strength of feeling around this has intensified.'' There are precedents that would allow Glasgow to return the relics to Benin. In 1992, aboriginal human remains were returned to Australia and talks with native Americans led to the return of a Sioux Ghost Shirt, a garment taken from the body of a brave after the US Army slaughtered more than 200 men, women, and children in 1890. The largest collection of Benin relics in Britain is held at the Museum of Mankind in London, which refuses to enter into discussions about their return. [/b]Mr Grant, who was acting as a spokesman for the Benin royal family, said: ``I am not saying that all of them should be taken away, only the significant ones. ``[b]The Scots set a lot of store on the Stone of Destiny. Now that it has been returned I think the rest of the world will see the Scots as being two-faced if they are quite happy to have their relic returned but not do the same themselves. Mr Grant said the relics are part of a ``surviving and living culture'' that relies on them as a guide to traditional ceremonies and dress. ``The Africans draw and make sculptures to consult rather than write things down, many ceremonies are now not being performed satisfactorily because many of the bronzes are missing,'' he said. Mr O'Neill said the museum had a ``moral imperative to preserve the heritage of Glasgow and enlighten local people about Benin''. However, Mr O'Neill said the museum could be sympathetic to the request despite Mr Spalding's letter, which states: ``Though it is possible for our museum service to restitute items . . . we cannot advise the City Council that this should happen in this case . . . these artifacts have an important role to play in the public sector.'' Mr O'Neill said he would have to be convinced by an independent expert that Glasgow's collection was unique before restitution could be considered. He told Mr Grant: ``If we went through every object and assessed how it got here, then we could be in a situation where we were repatriating 60 or 70% of our collection and I don't think society has reached that stage. ``The bottom line here is that were are not in the business of redressing historic wrongs.'' ^^^^ The above article confused Republic of Benin (Dahomey) with Edo, but the idea is still conveyed regardless of the error. |
buzugee:Are you actually this daft or do you just love to construct nonsensical arguments? How will the imbecilic scenario painted above do anything to return thousands of stolen artifacts? Blindly performing some deranged assault on Sotheby's to take something which belongs not to me, but to the royal family of Benin or to a museum in Nigeria without the authority, consent, or approval of either that family or the government of Nigeria will not get back the thousand other artifacts will it? The onus is on the owners of stolen property to return stolen property and they know this. |
buzugee:The National Commission for Museums and Monuments is a Nigerian governing and administrative body assisting in the development of the nation's museum system, the largest in Africa and charged with the duties of managing the various repositories of cultural artifacts and conserving and restoring the cultural heritage and property of Nigeria while also promoting national unity. The commission succeeded the Federal Department of Antiquities. The commission was established under decree 77 of 1979. In 2001, Nigeria had over 30 museums. The National Museum in Lagos contains many specimens of Nigerian art, mostly pieces of statuary and carvings, remarkable for their variety and quality. It also has archaeological and ethnographic exhibits. Other museums represent more specialized interests: the museum at Ife opened in 1955 in response to halt the looting of national art treasures, and contains world-renowned bronze and terra cotta heads; the decorative arts museum at Benin City has a collection of bronzes; and that at Oron has a valuable collection of ancestor carvings. The museum at Jos, opened in 1952 originally as the National Museum, is a center of research into the prehistoric culture of Nigeria. The Esie Museum, at Ilorin in Kwara State, has stone antiquities, and the National Museum at Kaduna has archaeological and ethnographic exhibits, including a "craft village." The Owo Museum, in Ondo State, displays arts, crafts, and ethnographic relics. There are also museums in Kano, Argungu, and Oshogbo. Lagos also houses the Centre for Black and African Art and Civilization. Let me say this clearly, I would rather have our own museums occasionally robbed and looted by crooked Nigerians (who always sell them to European museums and institutions with no problem, making them go right back to the root cause of the problem in this whole dilemma ) than to have some Brit making millions off property that is not his or to see the transfer of works of art between private European hands. You have blatantly condoned the complete transfer of all African cultural property into European hands and for that you have my unlimited contempt. Agege area boy indeed. |
buzugee:"Armchair patriot"? Are you deranged? My sentiments are exactly those of the Benin royal family from which it was stolen! Patriotism or non-patriotism does not come into discussions of right and wrong or ownership and theft. What's this rubbish about how many curators there are in Nigeria? There's a curator for EVERY museum in Nigeria. If I could physically pummel you and stomp on your finger for typing this crap through the internet I would. You think a whole country of 150 million with nearly 3000 years of priceless art has no museums and curators? Who was Prof. Ekpo Eyo? Who is Umebe Onyejekwe? Who is Theophilus Umogbai? Do not degrade a whole country's inhabitants to your lackadaisical, irresponsible, carefree attitude towards history just because your uneducated lazy scammer family has managed to thrive off stolen British money or unearned British welfare. If Nigeria can produce scientists, doctors, novelists, playwrights, engineers, historians and millionaire businessmen or women, to assume it has some inexplicable trouble producing museum curators is nonsensical and laughable. I wonder what the following are: The National Museum, Jos The National Museum, Lagos National Museum of Ife Antiquities National Museum, Esie Benin City National Museum, Benin City Museum at the Faculty of Arts, Ahamdu Bello University Owo Museum, Ondo State Ife terracotas and bronzes, Igbo-Ukwu artifacts and bronzes, Nok terracotas, Benin bronzes, Jebba/Tada bronzes, Owo bronzes, and other artifacts ARE ALREADY held in these museums. There are already many priceless works of art in these museums as we speak, a few just as important or even more so than the piece of art currently being auctioned by the thieves under discussion in this thread. |
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