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An interesting comment on that site:


"Comment by Otedo News Update 4 hours ago

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REV. DR. MAC JESUOROBO JATTO ,

You have said it all.

Why is it the Pop's fault? Why didn't the complainant go to the Oba's palace. Aruaso was the Church set up hundred of years ago for the Binis by the Oba then. How many Binis do you find going there except for those who see it as idol worshiping. Every Bini's home in Benin City has at least one person oversea, even as we are in North America, how many of us communicate in Bini vocabulary. They are asking the Ibos in Benin Church to sing or speak our Bini language in an Ibo dominated church? It should be left to the that particular Church leaders to decide. Why can't they ask the Bini muslems in Benin why they go to the mosque in Benin and worship with other Hausa Muslims speaking and singing in Arabic and other language other than Bini. I strongly believe that it is an attack on the wrong people to preserve Bini language.

We are causing our own extinction. Ask Chief Isekhure who I travel with all the time around Nigeria. That is one man who will do anything for the preservation of the Bini language. There are thousand and thousands of Bini people all over the world. Only a handful even know the name of the Governor of Edo State talk less of Nigeria, talk less to even worry about preserving Bini language. Most of their children are more interested in their immediate environment. ""There is no immediate gain"". Look at the Indians, Chinese. We have a lot to learn from these people if we want to preserve Bini culture. Their Children are born in the US, UK, Nigeria, Canada, Australia and so on speaking their language from their mother's womb. How does that work? How do they do it? There is no other grass root way to preserve language.

Lands in Benin have been over sold to the Ibos, Hausa and others. These people have populated the city and purchase every major land space for there business. Where the head of the area is called and is an Ibo man, then we can wake up. Soon, our women will over marry non Bini and become enogie and take all away from us. Have you thought about that. This is extinction. Bini language not being used, is just the symptoms of extinction.

On a second note, hear this. Many people now go to church for prosperity and for forgiveness of the sin they realized they have yesterday so they can freely commit another one today. They don't care what language is used, so long as extra money they pray for will come to feed their children and for others, wealth and more wealth. If they find a way to include some diabolic means and bring it into church, be it catholic of protestant, so be it.

How do you ask a young man in Benin, who have no Job, some borrowed education, even those with education can not even work with what they learn to worry about who prayed with Ibo or Bini. There is a huge divide between how Nigeria as a whole understand Christianity.

It will be very sad for me to say that we have confused our religion as Bini people. What makes a Bini person?? What make a Bini speaking person what constitute a Bini person with a Bini culture?. My brother to be very honest with ourselves, there is nothing Christian about Bini culture. A Bini person without exerting Bini culture is not really a Bini. Think about it. A real culturally endowed Bini person is someone who worship all the objects and idols known of the Bini culture and not Christ. So Our choice to choose to worship Christ should not be super imposed with preservation of Bini language

Most times I don't want to even comment on anything here, but this one caught my attention. I am not Hon. Chief Isekhure or Dr. Usualele who have wide degree of knowledge in these things. So I stand to be corrected, however everyone has common sense.

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This is too provocative ("extermination") and is rather slanted ("For the Igbo and their collaborators, it is all part of the plan to exterminate the Binis from the church."), although it does have a few valid points here and there about retaining worship in the native langauge. Anyway, if Binis do not all embrace Catholicism it's not like the world will come crashing down for us. There are other religions and also other denominations of Christianity. In my opinion, there are more important things that are in need of preservation and which need rescuing from actual extermination - such as the Benin moat.

I've been wondering about this for a while. What's the meaning behind the name Sambo in the Hausa language?

Most names have a meaning or origin in virtually all languages, so what does "Sambo" signify in Hausa?

Inquiring minds want to know.

I really hate that spambot. It's so useless. I had about 30+ more points to post but it keeps banning me and removing my posts even when I post in small chunks. I'm going to take a small break because this forum's maniacal spambot is just a nuisance.

@Ogbuefi 1, I'll be back to this thread in a while, so don't go anywhere. I still have a lot to teach you!! This spambot keeps hiding my replies and I'm a little too annoyed with it to spend anymore time on this thread just now.

Regarding Nwanze and Osagie, I already posted a longer response about that but the spambot got it. You can find out about publications with a simple search of "E Nwanze" and "A Osagie" on Google scholar or you can use ISI web of knowledge (Thomson Reuters), which requires a subscription, or Scopus (which you have to register for). Google scholar is easier to access though. It is a fact that Dr. Osagie had academic seniority, was a former head of his department, and had many more publications and more citations. Both Osagie and Nwanze are biochemists. Osagie, however, was a past president of Nigeria's biochemistry society while Nwanze was president of no such organization. There's not much more to it than that. Don't get the impression that I'm putting down Dr. Nwanze or anything, though. My point is really that the criteria used in selecting a VC were not necessarily merit based and that everybody (including you) got the wrong story about the vice chancellor thing and started with the insults and insinuations about Binis.

Most Nigerian architecture is bland (although I have seen a some good looking mansions here and there) because

a) the professional architects (not drafters, but people with real qualifications) need to get paid also, so they take the projects which are available - which are mostly functional and not requiring any original artistry to satisfy the client. If the person who is paying you is not some rich patron who requests that the building be very beautiful and artistic, why would they put the extra effort into it without extra patronage?

b) Nigerians, except for maybe a few people in the North, are following a foreign culture's architecture rather than updating their own art and designs or adding their own cultural designs to basic structures.

c) Nigeria is not the only country facing architectural issues:

http://www.gluckman.com/ArchChina.html
http://www.gluckman.com/Pei.htm

Linking homophobia to foreign aid is dumb. Won't those non-heterosexual Africans that are being persecuted or oppressed also lose out on the benefit of the aid as well? If Cameron actually goes any further with this claim then he's just brainless.

Thanks for the unban! Glad to be back under this moniker.

N101:
My friend, you need to travel a bit more - it is called MAINTENANCE.  That is how a 200 year-old mud house lasts!!!

Go to Uganda and look at the tombs of the Buganda kings in Kasubi, which is now a World Heritage Site. 

smh

http://www.flickr.com/photos/53911892@N00/4440216889/

http://ekitibwakyabuganda./2010/03/21/museveni-burned-tombs-7-points-why-he-is-the-chief-suspect/

http://www.newvision.co.ug/D/8/12/713151

http://www.modernghana.com/news/269996/1/six-suspects-who-could-have-burned-down-bugandas-r.html

wtf is going on in Uganda?

Akainzo:
Shehu Musa Yar'adua is a very rich man, not Umaru Musa Yar'adua. Or is Bill Gates junior brother very rich?

I meant that all those Yar'aduas were all rich, courtesy of their lineage. He attended the best schools in the north (Barewa college, Ahmadu Bello University), on his father's money, no doubt. Their father was rich, as was his father, and so on, until before Dan Fodio. Or are aristocratic Fulani rulers and their sons living like common southerners?

Akainzo:
Exactly the point, the declaration was made to portray an air of conservatism when the true picture is just not so. And on Fayemi's case, just like what Yar'adua did, politicians when they assume positions are now fond of declaring what the expect to have amassed by the time to leave office. That way, it would seem they have not enriched themselves.

Not sure about this. Yar'adua's family was supposed to be rich.

87?

77?

Where are the 10,000 soldiers? GEJ, the whole world is watching. Mr. Commander-in-chief.


Move in, and wipe out the jihadist pieces of shi-t so brutally that they won't dare it again.


EXTREME force is needed here. To send a message.

Corruption.

Oh. Well there's some British Nigerian Funmi Abari who was in some debate and I thought there was a connection there.


























Both could get it.





























That's all.

honeric01:
^^^^^^
  What do you make of this?
  http://www.edo-nation.net/ekal.htm

Doesn't prove anything. It's already known that Oduduwa was some Eastern (to Ife) prince.


I'm still looking for more  definitive and convincing evidence for either side though. And for more info on Ife's earliest times.

Thanks. I think it's Funmi Abari. After seeing a few more pics, she's not as good looking as I thought, but I'd still hit.

I'm very education. Been to good educational isitutions. I just hope she isn't a elesibian.

Who was the female judge in the black on the left (or to the right of the bald guy)? I'd hit that.

Many freeways/expressways/turnpikes in the U.S. have tolls, but there are almost always ways to get around them and get to where you want to get to slower by taking alternate routes. That might not be the case here. Just an uninformed guess, but I suspect the outcry against tolls is a combination of lack of viable alternate routes and the fact that ordinary Nigerians might not make enough for even a small toll fee (N 120) not to be a large chunk of money to them. In America, the toll fee can be what it is, because of the money earned by the average person. I think the governor should have just reduced the toll fee significantly, whatever it was, rather than suspending it outright though. TANSTAAFL, people. TANSTAAFL.

Ireland used to have a lot of fake Universities that gave out worthless, fake degrees for a small fee. The original 419ers. Or maybe that's the Spaniards, with their "Spanish Letters."



That's all for now.

Aigbofa:
Can you please explain to us why the links provided by Isale gan are credible enough for you and Wikipedia is not.
You don't know the authors of these websites the same way you don't know the authors of Wikipedia, or is it just a case of, if it does't support your argument then it's not credible.

A wiki version of Yoruba history is not really a good idea, actually. It would be much better to track down original sources. Anyone can give a slant to or misconstrue something and then cite the article they are talking about without people being able to access the original article to see if the wiki summary of its contents or statements is actually accurate.

A good example of this outside of wiki is the badly researched, ill-thought out article by Bolaji Aluko "Cultural Wars and National Identity: The saga of the Yoruba and the Bini-Edo" which makes the very mistake I pointed out of claiming that Oba Erediauwa claimed the Yoruba "progenitor" was a runaway Bini prince, despite the fact that what Oba Erediauwa actually wrote had no relation to such an idea.

This is one of several of Aluko's poor quality articles, another is his massively inaccurate article on the Benin Empire and the slave trade. So you're absolutely right that we can't just accept any article written by anybody like honeric01 might have, but it's precisely because, as you pointed out, this applies to some of the articles on the site isale gan gave links from as much as it does to wikipedia, that we should try to leave wikipedia out of this. There are other inaccuracies on African history on wikipedia, so there's no reason to assume what's up on this particular topic will be accurate either.

isale_gan2:
Bastards!!!  Not you, Katz. Am talking about el gringo.  Sons of Satan!    I feel a little better.  Not.   

I can't reach that conclusion just yet, Scientific one.  The Bini monarchs have a longer and more detailed account of their reign going back at least 3 times as long as the history of the the Obas in Yorubaland, specifically, Ile-Ife, and Eko, with which I'm more familiar.  I have yet to see a full account of the Eko Obas going back beyond the mid 1600s.  Conversely, the Binis can tell us about their kings going back to gbongbonron.

Yes the Lagos/Eko monarchy was later, but that's not really a point of debate since that's well known.

I'm not too familiar with the origins of Ife Obas, but there were supposed to be 5 rulers of Ife before Oduduwa (11th or 12th century). When exactly Ife became a centralized kingdom is still not certain but I'm looking for more info.

honeric01:
@isale_gan2
Thanks for these infos, they really got some interesting findings.

The links Isale gan posted's got alot of information for us and these info on these sites speaks alot of the bini kingdom, i think the Bini kingdom came first, i mean with all the details on ground, the bini kingdom have more documented backings to assert this. maybe someone might want to help us with some relevant info to the Yoruba heritage just like we have for the binis?

lol, this is not really logical. Because you read more stories and more detailed stories of the origin of one kingdom you then conclude that it came before another kingdom you haven't read much of?

But your request for people to post more relevant info on Yoruba kingdom origins is quite reasonable. Hopefully someone will supply us with detailed, sourced information.

Also i think most of the sculptures the binis have appear older and longer than the yorubas, someone should prove me wrong with some facts backed up with at least series of authentic articles (pls no wikipedia oo).

Uh, no. Virtually every Benin artwork is younger than every Ife artwork, although some Benin artwork is older than some of Owo's.

You would say? maybe you should help us with more details on how you arrived at that, some sculptures older than that of bini can go along way to support your stand, you know pictures don't lie, the bini history is very well grounded compared to some of the other kingdoms in ancient Nigeria.

A simple google search of Ife sculptures vs. Benin sculptures would easily show that Ife art is older than Benin art but this is not an artwork thread and this is tangential and irrelevant because earlier artwork does not prove which kingdom came first. . There were numerous kingdoms in Africa and Nigera with no sculptural tradition or major art tradition, some of which preceded both Ife and Benin.

Anways, Ife sculptors are traditionally held to have been brought to Benin in the 14th century

Interesting, but how true can this be?

It's not. He's just making stuff up.

bashr4:
all these yoruba thieves , her is igbo not yoruba.

SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY:
> >
> > 1. Prof. Godian Ezekwe [inventor]
> > 2. Prof. Njoku-Obi [inventor]
> > 3. Maazi. Damian Anyanwu [Radio Mbaise inventor]
> > 4. Maazi. Ezekiel Izuogu [car-prototype inventor]
> > 5. Prof. Ayodele Awojobi [inventor/civil rights]
> > 6. Prof. Makanjuola [inventor]
> > 7. Dr. Philip Emeagwali [computer wiz.]
> > 8. Prof. Chike Obi [mathematician]
> > 9.Dr.Ekwerike-njoku Alphonsus.I. (Neurosquatemetry Inventor)
10. Prof. Ige Grillo [anatomist]
11. Prof. Kayode Oshuntokun [Nigeria's yet to produce another
> > Professor of
> > Pain]
> > 12. Biafran Scientists [inventors of Ogbunigwe, shore-battery, &
> > etc.]

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Are 5,6,10, and 11, Igbo?

And lmao@ neurosquatemetry. What a name.

GAR3TH:
lol Nigeria does have a company which makes APC (Armoured personnel carrier) and the Defence Industrial Corporation of Nigeria also manufactures its own ak47 (obj).

the air force also builds its own UAV (unmanned aerial vehicle) and also manufactures it "air beetle" trainers

i believe the Navy is currently building a warship.

https://i31.tinypic.com/20rqsh.jpg

Good that they're trying and starting, then. I am indeed pleasantly surprised.

The lopsided distribution of military centers in the country is a serious tactical mistake made for political purposes which ensures that the Nigerian military's defense capabilities can never be top notch though.

Ochi_Agha:
Eritrea was one part of the Kingdom of Axum that extended into Ethiopia. However, Eritrea broke away as Islam spread in the region. However, it was until after the Ethiopians kicked out the Italians out of Ethiopia during WWII, that Emperor Haile Selassie claimed Eritrea as well.

I have an Oromo friend who claims that she is not Ethiopian, but when I asked my Amharic friend about the Oromo plight, he stated that he was used to those complaints, but how can those people want to create a nation out of Ethiopia, but taking a large part of the middle of the country with them. It doesn't make since to the Amharic people.

I understand what my Amharic friend mean though. Oromia as a nation does not make sense. Plus, the Amharic, Tigray and Oromo people share a common history. 

Emperor Haile Selassie himself was Tigray, Oromo and Amharic. It shows how mixed the people of Ethiopia are.

Oh. Thanks for the clarification.

jaygetta:
@PhysicsEd:You are clearly illiterate! Na comprehension be your problem, abi kini gan? Are u this daft or its just in uou guys' nature to tell lies when you can't back up your empty conjectures? Don't u guys tire from making stuff up when u can't win an argument? Its your turn to show where I asserted that Edo state "Supplied the Majority of 'Hausa-Fulani' in Southern Nigeria! Barring that, u've lost all credibility (not that u had any in the first instance)with regards to the nonsense you typed in your last post.

I haven't put forward one conjecture relating to Etsakos on this entire thread. Just facts.

jaygetta: There's hardly an Edo that has an English name that doesn't have a Muslim name (which is REALLY his/her FIRST NAME). Apart from the Binis and (maybe a slight majority of the Ishans) most of Edo state is largely muslim. Don't get it twisted! From Ayua,Ora, Fuga, Agenegbode, Uromi all the way to Auchi, Afuze,Afemai, Akoko-Edo,Irua etc ARE MAINLY MUSLIM. Anyways sha @, my point still remains that there's an almost equal amount of Muslims/Christians among the Edos and they have learnt to co-habitate with each other, devoid of religion-related problems, for eons. It is not unusual to see an Edo family where the father is Christian, the mother is muslim, and the kids are split btwn both faiths! That's why I said they share at least that attribute (among others) with the Yorubas and will be more comfortable going with them in a future seperate Nigeria. Let me tell you how crazy it is, a lot of "Hausa/Fulani" u see are actually Edo!

You obviously want to get into the semantics of what you meant by "a lot," but that's irrelevant.


Let me tell it to you straight. Accept this fact or be quiet: People would have to go and actually live in parts of north Edo for "a lot" of the Hausa-Fulani they see to actually be Edo, so you can't say that many of the Hausa-Fulani that people see are Edo since few people randomly go sightseeing and people watching in north Edo and since the population of Muslim north Edo outside of Edo state pales in comparison to the population of real Hausa-Fulani people see in the whole south. That's just simple logic.  How are a lot of the Hausa-Fulani that people often see going to be Edo when Nigerians don't often just randomly get up and decide to go to on a tour of northern Edo state and the small number of Muslim north Edo outside Edo state is much smaller than the population of Hausa-Fulani in the various communities outside the north. The overwhelming majority of Hausa-Fulani that Nigerians see are actual Hausa-Fulani so you cannot say "a lot." Simpler logic.

So that claim is just nonsense.

Beaf:
Details of the document show that before Mr. Ribadu became the EFCC chair, he had 187 cows valued at N7.5 million,
He, however, lost 67 cows and was left with 120 cows valued at N5 million.

LMAO

Anyways, N26 million= $173,000. Not an unreasonable amount and not evidence of corruption, unless I missed something.

jaygetta:
@PhysicsEd: ta lo gbe eran oko wo igboro! E be like say crase don finish your head. If na illiteracy be your problem, why you no go school? Abi na me talk say make your papa no fit pay your school fees? Abi were nse e ni?! Ayi mo ye Nigerian stars today wey sell for side of road to take fund their education. Why didn't u do same, and get quality education instead of the half-baked waste you turned out to be. First off, could care less o, couldn't care more o english is my first language. . . . WHAT'S YOURS?! Do u seriously think you can withstand me in a Grammar battle?! Wo, carry that empty Korodome nonsense wey you guys are so good at, fill it with rocks and water, put it on your head and go sit in a  corner. . . . Oh, and face the wall. Eran oko! I was refuted, how? The link I posted which you llamas have chosen to avoid discussing or what?Again I ask: Do I sound like I need lessons on the Edos? Yes, I said some people u would mistaken for Hausas (because of they shared characteristics with them which included physical features, tribal marks, name, religion and understanding of the Hausa language) are actually Edo! What was wrong with that statement? Did you disprove it? But u want to argue like a buffoon without any proof. You know what, u sef go join your partner siddon for corner! Ote!

I'm well aware that in Auchi and few other north Edo cities, many of the people there are culturally Northern and if you didn't know any better you would think you're actually in the North. They dress Northern, their women sometimes use henna, and more. This is quite different from the junk you posted about Edo state being over 50% Muslim and supplying the majority of "Hausa-Fulanis" in southern Nigeria. Once again exaggeration and distortion do you in.

The Hausa-Fulanis people see in Eastern and Western Nigeria are mostly almajiris, and actual Hausa-Fulani communities (yes there are small Hausa-Fulani communities in the south), so suggesting that a population of 200,000-300,000  Muslim Etsakos supplies all of the "Hausa-Fulanis" seen in the south, when actual Hausa-Fulanis from a population of over 20 million, some of which will even state when and from where the people of their community moved to the SE or SW is so silly as to be not worth anyone's time. I suppose the Hausa-Fulanis in the SE or the Fulanis in Ekiti are really my sneaky Etsako brothers come to beg for alms or sell suya to take money back to Agenebode to build more churches . I suppose  ndu_chucks is probably one of these Etsako masters of disguise He's finally been exposed.

As I have already said, the link you managed to scavenge only blatantly contradicted your argument, if you were knowledgeable enough to know that the vast majority of groups listed by the author of that write up are very much majority Christian.

For your own good just be quiet and walk away.  As I said, if you don't care about the Edos, why are you tiring yourself building up all these castles of contradiction and misinformation and derailing the discussion.