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She seems to have very few wrinkles at age 75. That's pretty amazing if she hasn't had any kind of facial enhancements done.

shymexx: @PhysicQED

I thought Spike Lee did the "Miracle at St. Anna" movie to balance out the Clint Eastwood movie??

Yeah, pretty much.

Logicboy03: However, he has made many foolish errors by caliming that there was no black soldier in a WW2 movie which had 2 scenes with black soldiers.

Also, he also put the address of a suspect in the killing of a black kid, thereby causing panic to the family of the suspect for fear of vigilante justice.

I believe that it was reckless and irresponsible of him to post that address online, and the fact that it was the wrong address (a completely different family) made it even worse, but I still would not go so far as to call him an irrelevant douchebag. Clearly, his emotions got the better of him on that Zimmerman/Martin case, though. To me, he just seems a bit obnoxious, but the man is sufficiently talented that at any moment - if he were to get the right funding - he could probably make another classic film. The Oldboy remake that he is working on with Samuel L. Jackson probably won't be a classic, but it will be interesting to see what he does with it since he's far from an ordinary director.

On the WW2 movies, you have to consider the context in which Lee was making his complaint. He had an absolutely valid complaint that he was making.

This Time article puts it into perspective:

Sixty-three years after U.S. forces vanquished the Japanese and planted their flag on Iwo Jima's Mount Suribachi, the remote outpost in the Volcano Islands is the focus of another pitched battle. This time, acclaimed film directors Clint Eastwood and Spike Lee are engaging in verbal warfare over the verisimilitude of Eastwood's two films about the epic clash, Flags of Our Fathers and Letters from Iwo Jima. Lee has claimed that by soft-pedaling African-American contributions to the battle, Eastwood is misrepresenting history.

"Clint Eastwood made two films about Iwo Jima that ran for more than four hours total, and there was not one Negro actor on the screen," Lee said at the Cannes Film Festival. "In his version of Iwo Jima, Negro soldiers did not exist." Eastwood's counter: "Has he ever studied history? [African-American soldiers] didn't raise the flag," he said. "If I go ahead and put an African-American actor in there, they'd say, "This guy's lost his mind.'" Eastwood also told Lee to "shut his face," prompting Lee to amplify the racism charge: "[Eastwood] is not my father and we're not on a plantation, either," he fumed. "I'm not making this up. I know history."

History, as it turns out, is on both their sides. Lee is correct that African-Americans played an instrumental role in World War II, in which more than 1 million black servicemen helped defeat the Axis Powers. Those efforts include significant contributions to the fight for Iwo Jima. An estimated 700 to 900 African-American soldiers participated in the epic island battle, many of whom were Marines trained in segregated boot camps at Montford Point, within Camp Lejeune, North Carolina.

Those soldiers were restricted from front-line combat duty, but they played integral noncombat roles. Under enemy fire, they piloted amphibious truck units during perilous shore landings, unloaded and shuttled ammunition to the front lines, helped bury the dead, and weathered Japanese onslaughts on their positions even after the island had been declared secure. According to Christopher Moore, the author of a book about African-Americans' myriad contributions during World War II, "thousands" more helped fashion the airstrips from which U.S. B-29 aircrafts could launch and return from air assaults on Tokyo, about 760 miles northwest. Hosting that air base, Moore says, was Iwo Jima's primary strategic importance.

Eastwood's portrayal of the specific battle is, if narrow, also essentially accurate. Flags Of Our Fathers zeroes in on the soldiers who hoisted the U.S. flag atop Mount Suribachi, and this task, memorialized in a famous staged photograph, was accomplished by five white servicemen and a sixth, Ira Hayes, of Pima Indian descent. (His other entry in the Iwo Jima category, Letters from Iwo Jima, is told largely from the perspective of Japanese soldiers.)

Eastwood is also correct that black soldiers represented a small fraction of the total force deployed on the island. That argument doesn't placate Yvonne Latty, a New York University professor and author of a book about African-American veterans. Black soldiers "had the most dangerous job," she says. "If you were going to show the soldiers' landing, you'd need to show [African-Americans] on the beach." In Flags of Our Fathers, which shows the landing in significant detail, African-Americans appear only in fleeting cutaway shots and in a photograph during the film's closing credits.

Moore lauds Eastwood's rendering of the battle, but laments the limited role accorded to African-Americans. "Without black labor," he says, "we would've seen a much different ending to the war."

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1812972,00.html#ixzz2Hk2LVkxJ

(Note that those restricted from combat referred to in the article above, were those black troops at Iwo Jima, and definitely not all black American soldiers throughout the war, in case that isn't clear.)

Lee might actually be technically correct, as the few black people in the two films might just be extras, not real "actors," but regardless, the complaint is basically valid.

Part of this interview with Lee also provides some context for his complaint (by the way, the entire interview is an interesting read):

It does seem like you feud with other filmmakers a lot. You criticized Clint Eastwood for not having more black soldiers in his World War II films.

I was not saying it for myself, though. I had been in dialogue with black Marines who were there. Clint Eastwood was not the first to whitewash war, either. People of color have a constant frustration of not being represented, or being misrepresented, and these images go around the world. There are exceptions with, like, Laurence Fishburne in Apocalypse Now, Forest Whitaker in Platoon. The first person who died for this country in the American Revolution was a black man. Crispus Attucks was the very first one. From the Civil War, you can probably put Glory in there.

Though, of course, that was told through the eyes of a white character.

Yeah, that’s a whole other thing, but we’ll let that go for now. But there has been a total omission of the contribution of African-Americans in the defense of this country for democracy. It’s crazy. George Lucas—George freaking Lucas—had been trying to make Red Tails for twenty years, and no studio would make it, so he goes off and says, “I am going to finance this one myself.” Even George ­Lucas can’t get the film made. What did they tell him? “We do not know how to market this.” I am not making it up. People would not even show up to the screening. That is where the frustration comes.

What frustrated me about that Clint Eastwood thing is, if you do not say something, is there a more prominent name that is going to? You sort of have to. But when you say it, the public is like, “Oh, there goes Spike Lee. There he goes again.”

You sound like my wife.

http://www.vulture.com/2012/07/spike-lee-on-reality-tv-minstrelsy-and-hollywood.html

Logicboy03: Spike lee is an irrelevant douchebag. He was sensible some years back though. The African Americans need better role models. Obama cant be everything. New role models who are articulate and not Uncle Toms

Elaborate, please (on Spike Lee).

ThiefOfHearts: Physics or whatever..why are you dedicating two posts to me? Ive not read any of them. Maybe to increase your "like" counts. who knows. Aint that serious dude that you would direct unnecessary epistle my way. I hope there's more to your life than writing dissertations to "Thief Of Hearts"

lol @ this. The second post was really just an afterthought. I decided you could do with some advice on your attitude problem, so I gave you some.

I find it funny that you came in here to angrily whine and moan, singling me out for criticism while in your confused, probably weed-induced haze, but still have the nerve to talk about who is making better use of their life. Aren't you the one who came to the thread I opened to address me? Don't you have anything better to do with your life than whining on the internet, and looking for opportunities to whine, even when they're not there?

Abrantie: You lie. That "brain" wasn't a health risk unless the food itself was contaminated somehow. Hot scalding coffee is a health risk.

Eating the brains of animals increases one's risk of coming into contact with prions though, and prions are known to be involved in some pretty nasty diseases.

I also wonder why we should assume they're telling the truth or are correct about it being a (shrivelled) kidney rather than a brain or piece of a brain. Did they call in an independent expert? It doesn't seem so.

Thief of Hearts,

I hope you don't act this unpleasantly in real life.

You perpetuate the stereotype about unnecessarily aggressive women with "attitude" problems that guys complain about. You probably think your conduct on this thread is somehow normal, but I have to tell you honestly that behaving like this is absolutely not normal. Try and work on your attitude issues and learn to comport yourself like an actual human being in the future. This thread was opened as a discussion meant for human beings, not wild animals.

ThiefOfHearts: Im amused you think Im gonna read all that. With that said Iya e lo dumb

So let me see if I have this right.

You clearly misinterpreted what I wrote, in your eagerness to moan about the "Nigerian mentality" on a thread that had nothing to do with it.

Then I explained what the actual scene was that was being referenced and said that you should have looked up the scene because it seemed like you hadn't actually seen the movie (a reasonable assumption, actually, given your total confusion about what scene was being referenced, even after it had already been described).

You then proceeded to call me a "loon" (a crazy person) simply for making the assumption that you hadn't actually seen the movie and for assuming that you meant Nigerians living in Nigeria when you talked about Nigerians laughing. Neither of these assumptions is an insult on you and neither of them warrants any insult against me - a simple explanation of what I got wrong would suffice.

After I insulted you back, pointed out your comprehension problems, and pointed out the stupidity of claiming that one of the most basic kinds of masks anyone can make somehow isn't a mask, you then proceed to insult my mother.

What a classy and reasonable way to behave: misunderstand someone, insult them for no reason, refuse to admit to the clear mistake that you made, and when insulted back, insult their mother.

shymexx: Nah, he was alluding to how whorish, how she sucks white dycks, and how would fvck your friend and tell you with confidence that she did - in a way similar to how white girls act..

If that was really what he meant, he would have received even more backlash than he did for his comment. Also, if part of what he was saying was that she likes white guys so he likes her, then he might have just said that instead. I think he was probably trying to say something different.

This isn't even news anymore - it's old story... Kerry Washington, Halle Berry, and Zoe Saldana are in a class of their own when it comes to this.

Well, I don't know much about the shady underworld of Hollywood and what actresses and actors sleep with what directors or producers for roles. I assumed it happened occasionally in the movie business, but I've never come across anything about these three people you mention here that would make me assume that directors were "passing them around." But in the end I don't think it matters. Their personal lives don't really matter that much and we should focus on the performances.

shymexx: Basically, I was alluding to what John Mayer said about her

To be honest, I'm still not entirely sure what Mayer was trying to say about Kerry Washington with that comment of his. He seems to have been saying she was "white enough" in behavior/attitude or similar enough to a white girl in how she acts, that she would be attractive to him even though he's not attracted to black women.

and how movie directors pass her around in hollywood for roles

Meaning? Who "passed her around" for roles? This comment confuses me because I didn't really get that impression of her.

shymexx: That's sad!! And the funniest thing about it is that, Kerry Washington(the woman who played the role) is a modern day "comfort girl" - movie directors pass her around for sex...

What do you mean? Are you saying this because she dates white guys in real life? That's her personal life, and I don't think it makes sense to read more into it than might be there. It might be a class issue as much as anything - i.e., a "high class" black woman seeing mostly or only white guys at her "level" to date. If she dates white guys in real life it doesn't necessarily take away from the significance of what her character represents in the movie.

Damn!! And black women still run around these white men who disrespected them and destroyed them psychologically for life smh... That's where the baby mums and single mothers syndrome/culture originated from!!

The baby moms/single mothers problem in some black communities originated from some black fathers not being there for their women and kids. Maybe more of them would be there if things had been easier for black people as a whole in those communities, but ultimately the responsibility for how things turn out in a family still rests with the parents and the father is a major part of that.

shymexx: I think they should have also included what Django said about his wife being too damaged for the position of a house slave and that she'll be used as a comforter or something like that... I'll like to know what comforters do... Were they female sex slaves??

Basically. It's implied that the "comfort girls" were slaves the plantation owner or overseers used specifically for sex.

In the interview with Mary Reynolds that I posted a link to above, she mentions something from her life as a slave that describes the reality:

"They was a cabin called the spinnin' house and two looms and two spinnin' wheels goin' all the time, and two nigger women sewing all the time. It took plenty sewin' to make all the things for a place so big. Once massa goes to Baton Rouge and brung back a yaller girl dressed in fine style. She was a seamster nigger. He builds her a house way from the quarters and she done fine sewin' for the whites. Us niggers knowed the doctor took a black woman quick as he did a white and took any on his place he wanted, and he took them often. But mostly the chillun born on the place looked like niggers. Aunt Cheyney allus say four of hers were massas, but he didn't give them no mind. But this yaller gal breeds so fast and gits a mess of white young'uns. She larnt them fine manners and combs out they hair.

"Once two of them goes down the hill to the doll house where the Kilpatrick chillun am playin'. They wants to go in the dollhouse and one the Kilpatrick boys say, That's for white chillun.' They say, "We ain't no niggers, cause we got the same daddy you has, and he comes to see us near every day and fotches us clothes and things from town.' They is fussin' and Missy Kilpatrick is listenin' out her chamber window. She heard them white niggers say, He is our daddy and we call him daddy when he comes to our house to see our mama.'

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/wpa/reynold1.html

No doubt there were similar stories on other plantations.

I came across a link to some interviews with former slaves on this page:

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/wpa/wpahome.html

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/wpa/index.html


These three interviews are particularly unsettling to read:


http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/wpa/toler1.html

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/wpa/anderso1.html (note the part about the dogs and also how she appreciated her house slave position)

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/wpa/reynold1.html

These interviews show that the extremely frequent use of the n word in this film was basically realistic. The way the slaves being interviewed use it so much in the interviews to refer to black people shows that it had been used casually and very frequently in their lifetimes to the point where they had become used to it.

After reading some of the interviews on that site, I also do wonder a little why the harshness of slavery was barely shown in movies dealing with that era until this film. Apart from the TV series Roots, some media depictions of this era seem to actually play down or ignore that aspect of slavery. Even movies like Glory and some other movies set around the time of the civil war kind of gloss over it and there are even some fiction and nonfiction based films/books like Gone With the Wind that are basically propaganda that go in the other direction and try to make the antebellum south and slavery in America in general look more idyllic and civilized. Tarantino said when that when carrying out research for the film he came across far worse things that actually happened during slavery than were depicted in his film and I have no doubt that this is true. But I wonder why nothing as bad as what was seen in this film (like the slave being torn apart by dogs - which was based on reality) has been depicted in movies dealing with that era before? Even if the movie is awkward to watch in some ways, I think everyone involved in this movie at least deserves credit for having the guts to depict such unpleasant material honestly instead of downplaying it or pushing it to the background like some other films have done.

ThiefOfHearts: who is this loon? I saw the movie Christmas Day, the day it came out. I never said you watched it in Nigeria, my comment was against NIGERIAN mentality in general. KKK wore sacs on their heads, not masks btw.

I think you are confusing yourself in your eagerness to make an obnoxious comment.

The scene with the KKK-like group is a mask scene, not a "sacs on their head scene" and the things that they end up arguing about have been referred to as masks widely by people commenting on the movie. How can one say that a sack with holes cut out of it to hide the wearer's appearance while still allowing them to see isn't a mask? This is common sense. That would be a mask in any context anywhere in the world. There is no possible way to interpret my statement about masks or pleep's reference to a funny scene involving "masks" in the context of the film except with reference to the KKK-like mob if one has actually seen the movie. Claiming that we were referring to the metal masks that the slaves wore that were shown when Django and Schultz went to Mississippi makes no sense whatsoever and only a confused dumbass could mix up the two after already reading that the scene being talked about involved "the KKK guys and the Masks" (how pleep described it). As for "Nigerians laughing like hyenas" I don't care about whatever point you were trying to make there - it's not like you had an audience full of Nigerians that you were watching it with, so you don't know if many Nigerians watching it also cringed at the awful parts like other people would or were uncomfortable laughing at some of the funny scenes.

You were just looking for an avenue to express your loathing for the "Nigerian mentality", so you jumped at the first opening you thought you saw without even thinking about or understanding what was being said. And the scene with the masks was deliberately comical and meant to make that mob look dumb and ridiculous, so if people of any nationality laughed, it's not the end of the world or anything.

I assumed you hadn't seen the movie because I couldn't imagine that you could be so dumb that you didn't understand what pleep referred to and what I also referred to and agreed with him about. But I was wrong about that - you are that dumb. Now just admit to yourself that you misread pleep and me and move on.

kpolli: Better than Avengers??

I actually own that movie on DVD, but haven't got around to watching it, although people who've seen it tell me it's great. It's just sitting there on a shelf with a bunch of other unwatched movies. I'll view it tomorrow and see which movie I consider better.

Sam xiu lee: Can we blacks get to worry about something better than being called a n.igger?its just a Latin word,meaning black!Arabs, Indians,and mongols are far more racist than white folks,so pls cut them some slacks,a with man fought for eradication of slavery,a white nation Great Britain financed and championed the crusade againt other nations involve in slave trade,a country went into civil war cause of slavery,us civil war,we need to give them some credit.
BTW most slaves were sold into slavery by their fellow blackmen,and its also a fact that,there are more black slave in the Arab world than others.

Nigger has other meanings and connotations that are acknowledged in even the most basic dictionaries, such as meanings associated with a lowly and inferior status. Words evolve over time.

And no, there is nothing to suggest that Arabs, Indians, and 'mongols' are more racist than whites, even if some or all of them are as racist. You have done no studies and have no evidence regarding the degree of racial hostility and hatred among entire racial or cultural groups toward different racial groups so let's not pretend that you have.

Akiika: It is a Moooooovie!!!! common y'all. I have seen so many movies where whites have been depicted as being stupid and gullible. BTW Spike Lee is a d.u.m.b a.ss that is always quick to criticize other people's movie. If he's so aggrieved, he should criticize Samuel Jackson(another loud mouth),Jamie Foxx and Kerry Washington that took roles in the movie. The truth is that we blacks are even more racist....we even do it to ourselves. There is still no justification for the name (BET - Black Entertainment Television) for example.....why didn't the white named ABC, NBC, FOX e.t.c White Entertainment Network or something!
I am not denying the fact that racism exists...but it's a human thing. Imagine if America's situation is in the reverse and the Black are majority...OMG, i'm sure the white will have been an extincted race.

I have to comment on this stuff about "blacks are more racist" especially when you go as far as to claim whites would somehow be extinct if the situation was reversed in America. That's just a bizarre claim. What historical evidence is there of significant discrimination against other races from blacks? Anything you can find would be minor and limited to some obscure occurrence in one brief period of the history of only one black group, at most. Black people anywhere have never historically made a big deal about race prior to interacting with whites. I don't know why some people are so caught up in self-loathing that they can make claims about blacks being more racist. The only black groups where you even find any significant amount of racists - and even then, the overall numbers and the degree of their hatred and racism is actually rather limited - are those black groups that have been exposed to racism (against them, from whites or other groups) to a very significant degree.

There is no Nigerian equivalent of the various racist skinhead groups in parts of Europe, no Nigerian or African political party that really holds positions like those of far right political groups in Europe or the U.S., no majorly black website which is the real equivalent of chimpout or stormfront, and there is not hateful or bigoted racial literature from black racist writers which even begins to rival the worst produced by white racists in terms of volume and severity. I don't know what group is "most racist" in the world, but what I do know is that there is nothing I've seen to suggest that black people are more racist than other groups.

And Spike Lee is not a dumbass. He is a bit obnoxious but the man is certainly talented as a director and his resume definitely speaks to that. Watch Malcolm X, Clockers, He Got Game, Crooklyn, 25th Hour, Inside Man, and Do the Right Thing. Being obnoxious does not somehow negate a person's artistic ability.

Samuel L. Jackson has criticized Spike Lee in the past and I don't know whether the two get along even though Jackson has worked with Lee before on one of his movies, but I think that since Lee has a pre-existing grudge against Tarantino, he would go after the person that really annoys him and the guy that he sees as the brains behind it all or just go after the film in its entirety, rather than the individual actors. Not to say that I agree with his dislike of Tarantino - I actually don't - but there's really just not as much motivation for him to go after the actors.

oyb: we must not have been watching the same film - there is enough hinted at - you forget djangos wife was supposed to service his boss - and that scene where they dragged her naked from the box

There is no outright depiction of forced sex. Even Tarantino has enough tact not to show that kind of stuff. I wasn't saying that there weren't hints that that was going on, I was just saying that if there was going to be some female nu.dity it would most likely have been in a context that would have made it unbearable to watch. The scene where she is dragged from the box, you can only see part of one of her bre.asts for a very brief moment - it's not really a "t.itty scene" like pleep was talking about, but actually a torture scene.

seems i don't have much stomach for atrocities - i couldn't finish in the land of blood and honey either

Never saw In the Land of Blood and Honey, but I think I might rent it or something, now that you mention it. It looks interesting.

oddly enough, that hooded scene is historically inaccurate imho, the kk started after the civil war

That might be why it is never explicitly suggested that that group is the actual KKK. They seem to just be some proto-KKK southern raid group that an American audience is supposed to connect with the KKK because of the white masks. There's an implied connection, but at the same time, it is deliberately left vague exactly what that group is.

ThiefOfHearts: why would this be funny to you con sidering those masks is the type of crap slaves REALLY had to wear?

Bet nigerians were laughing like hyenas watching this. Ugh

Since you haven't watched it, you could have at least tried using a search engine to try to find out what pleep was referring to when he mentioned the masks in the movie. That way you would have had some idea of what we were talking about. The masks thing that pleep and I referred to has nothing to do with what slaves wore. The scene we were referring to was a deliberately comic scene meant to make a certain violent hate group look more silly and ridiculous.

And I didn't watch it in Nigeria, I watched it in the U.S. It premiered in Europe only a day ago, several days after it was first shown in the U.S., and I don't think it has been shown in Nigeria yet: http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/djangounchained/releasedates/

The possibility does exist that the symbols on the hat are not from Benin or Calabar, but are the symbols of some European state which might have had officials or missionaries that visited Nigeria long ago, but I'm not familiar with what the symbols commonly found on European coats of arms or on hats are or what countries would have which symbols, so I can't really be of any help as far as figuring out the origin and significance of those symbols. Your best bet would probably be to get in touch with a historian who specializes in either Calabar culture and history or in the past coats of arms and symbols of different European groups.

I was curious enough about who the woman with the axe and the bandana over her face was that I looked it up. It's Zoe Bell, from Tarantino's movie Death Proof. I don't know if you saw Grindhouse (I did, and I liked both parts), but she's a professional stuntwoman and one of the stars of Tarantino's part of Grindhouse. She's been in several of Tarantino's movies either as a stunt person or an actress so I guess she's one of his "regulars" now and they just gave her a sort of cameo (although with a mask over half her face) because they like her or maybe to intrigue the audience. I think Candie's only sister was the one they showed us, and that this was just a minor character that was given a cameo.

As for the woman staring out of the window of that building, it might have been just to show the kind of appeal that they had to women, otherwise, I don't see what the purpose of it was.

I don't know if they visited anywhere else in Nigeria in the past, but I do know that Spanish Catholic missionaries visited Benin city in 1651 and stayed there for a few years. After a brief dispute between these Spanish missionaries and some Benin palace officials, they were expelled from the kingdom. I'm not sure if there was other Spanish contact. But it seems that the kings of Benin didn't traditionally wear the kind of hat that Oba Ovonramwen was wearing in that picture. That hat seems to have been inspired by the customs of the nobility or royalty of Calabar.

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Yeah, I think people who aren't aware of the history of that would probably just view it as something humorous, put in there for tension and comedy and not drawn from what really happened.

I wasn't expecting n.udity in the film, male or female, but I'm not sure how a t.itty scene would really have improved the film.

If there had been one, it would probably have involved Candie or "Big Daddy" or one of the overseers having their way with one of the female slaves, which would have been very hard to watch. That's probably why there wasn't really a scene like that in the film. In the beginning of the movie, when Django and Schultz rode into that small town (where the bar owner had to call the sheriff and then the marshal), there was some woman admiring Django and Schultz (or at least one of them) from the window of some building and for a moment it looked like she might be significant in the film in some romantic way, but then she soon disappeared into obscurity.

Really, the film doesn't focus on romance much, so the absence of female n.udity isn't really that strange. It would just have been gratuitous if it was in there.

There's honestly not much that I know about that hat. I assumed that since the Oba was in Calabar, and some of the royalty there wore hats of European origin or hats which were inspired by European designs back then, that he was going along with the customs of his hosts (the Efik people) when he wore it. But there could be a different explanation. As for the symbols and designs on the hat - I don't know what they represent.

The masks thing was pretty funny as well, I agree. And the closeup of Foxx's jewels was totally unnecessary. Now that was in there just to gross people out. The other revolting scenes at least served a purpose in some way - to make the audience view Calvin Candie as a despicable guy and to show how unsettling all this stuff was for Schultz, even though he was a professional killer. I don't see what the purpose of that balls scene was though. The only thing I can think of is that maybe they were trying to imply that Billy Crass was gay - there was that "moonlight stroll" comment from Django to him and also the kind of effeminate way he walked away after they told him he couldn't castrate Django.

Maybe they would have had to fight other groups for control of that area. You might be right. I don't know that much about this interaction between Mahin and Oba Orhogbua's soldiers, I was just pointing out that I had come across references to Benin's occupation of that area while that king was reigning.

I think Dahomey occupied Allada in the 1720s. But what I was saying was that it seems Oba Orhogbua's forces occupied Mahin in addition to sending Bini soldiers to Lagos.

pleep: There was still alot in the movie that was courting controversy.. and have you seen Inglorious Bastards? That film was craaaaaaaaap, there is no way he didnt come up with a plot like that just for cheap publicity. I honestly believe the only reason it was reviewed so well is because of the jewish influence in hollywood.

I saw it soon after it came out and I actually thought Inglourious Basterds was very good.

I'm not sure who the man in red is in the second picture, but it's not Oba Erediauwa.

Yeah, the wrestling scene was terrible and when they brought out the hammer it was clear to me that they wanted that scene to be as shocking and revolting as possible. The only worse scenes in the movie were Kerry Washington's torture scenes and when the slave D'Artagnan got eaten by those dogs.

But don't tell me you didn't still laugh at some of Samuel L. Jackson's lines. The way he played that character was brilliant.

ODUA_NEGRO: Why didn't Bini occupy and control Mahin and its salt mines?

It seems that Benin did, under Oba Orhogbua, occupy Mahin at one point. There are some brief mentions of the Benin occupation in some books.

emmatok: Well highly might be an exaggeration.But a tribe with links to major tribes is Too heterogeneous.

We need to differentiate BTW the, EDO and Bini.

Okay, but whatever the connections are between the Bini and other groups, I don't think they're enough to make us "highly heterogeneous" or even significantly more heterogeneous than those groups around us.