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She meant the "were" in the opening post, not the title.

pleep: Take for example, the diamond cartel Debeers... they control the majority of the worlds diamonds yet are allowed to contract their products only to fellow jews. This is the 21th century, no other race could get away with something like that.

Is this actually true?

Can you post a source for this or provide facts to support this statement?

pleep: You cant dismiss him as religious nutjos when he is the cheif Serphardic rabbi of Isreal. The opinions he expressed in those comments are standard orthodox Jewish beliefs. Orthodox Judaism is the official religion of Isreal and so is is perfectly acceptable to use this world view to paint the country in general.

According to the vid 95% of jews around the world are orthodox ( i do not belief that figure) but i do know that many of the most influencial jews are. If any other ethnic group had beliefs that extreme would the world tolerate it? no

The thing is, there are genuine claims about the supposed superiority of the Jews (or at least as far as I can tell from my interpretations of what I've read) from Jews, Jewish writings (ancient and modern), tradition, etc. but these particular claims by those three rabbis - about non-Jews existing only to serve Jews, or about the differences in the contents of the "soul" of a Jew and non-Jew, or about it being justified to murder a non-Jew and take his organs to give to a Jew that needs them - don't seem to be standard, widespread, or traditional views as far as I can tell from a quick perusal of Jewish attitudes on gentiles. Basically, those rabbis seem to be extrapolating more from pre-existing traditional attitudes of superiority to non-Jews than is already there. Jews did have and to some extent still do have religious doctrines that clearly emphasize the superiority of Jews over non-Jews as mentioned in their religious books (the Torah and Talmud, for example), but I haven't seen proof that these three particular claims are standard/widespread views or are really sourced directly from their religious doctrines or tradition.

As for the question of whether any other religion that expressed ideas about the inherent superiority of one group of people to another in the way Judaism does would be tolerated around the world today, I honestly don't think that religion would be. I think the reason such a blatant bias is not criticized heavily is because of religious brainwashing or indifference. Much of the world follows religions influenced by Jewish theology in some way or another and those people that don't, don't really care about or pay all that much attention to Jews.

Ok, ill admit that what you said here is pretty much the truth. But despite this you cannot deny the fact Jews have such a disproportionate amount of control in the country. These are ppl with a blatant dual-loyalties who are allowed to function in the United States government primarily for the benefit of a foreign power... When you look at the sheer volume of Jews that play a role in U.S policy you will see that the influence of 'christian zionists' is actually very low. Here is a list of Jews who have taken part in U.S politics throughout history. http://www.subvertednation.net/jew-lists/jews-in-government/

This number is insanely high for a group less than two percent of the population... and the list doesn't even mention Jews in finance like Ben Bernanke or Allen Greenspan. What about Rahm Emmanual.. Axelrod ... Larry Summers.. aka Obamas whole damn cabinet

What about jews in the media?

"Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner

Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company

Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd

Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios

Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc

Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric

Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited"


Thats ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MTV, BET, Universal Studios etc. etc.

I wish i could go deeper into this but i am very very drunk right now...

Yeah, Jewish influence in politics, economics, business and the media is definitely disproportionately high in the U.S., but that's not exactly evidence of something malevolent or sinister or even any evidence of any kind of "control" - it might suggest something about the abilities and/or tendencies of some Jews.

However one thing I agree with is the idea that the prospect of some politically active or politically involved people of Jewish descent possibly guiding the U.S. into another war (this time with Iran) out of dual loyalties, the way Jewish neoconservatives guided the Bush administration into war in Iraq (and even some Jewish American journalists criticized the roles of Jewish neoconservatives in guiding the U.S. into war in Iraq, so it's not an inherently "anti-semitic" (anti-Jewish) idea or anything, as some people might assume), is a scary prospect. Launching a war against Iran would be disastrous for world peace, as it could reach a WW3 level if things go really badly and if the Iranians manage to convince some other powerful nations to ally with them. The Iranians are a tougher nation mentally and militarily than any group the U.S. has fought - they would be a lot tougher to crack than anything the U.S. has ever faced before, including the Vietnamese, who U.S. forces did not defeat. And the military and civilian losses and casualties that would be inflicted on the U.S. and their allies in trying to conquer Iran (and even then, that would only be a temporary conquest if it were to happen, as the Iranians would only grow angrier, more indignant and more ready to fight their conquerors/oppressors after the occupation) would dwarf those incurred in both the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined if such a war were to happen.

If in the near future, a small group of politically influential Jews, as was the case with Iraq, is able to convince the head of the American government to prosecute an undeclared war (something the president can do without asking Congress) against Iran, which could eventually escalate into a full scale war, in order to serve the interests of Israel, this would be disastrous not just for all the nations directly involved (the U.S. and its military allies vs. Iran and its military allies), but even for the Jews themselves (or at least the ones outside of Israel), as they would lose an enormous amount of sympathy, goodwill and support, and be viewed much more suspiciously after that event to the point where few would want to deal with them or view them as trustworthy. If politically active Jews are somehow able to convince the U.S. president to initiate a military conflict with Iran, that would be the worst thing Jews could do for themselves, but I wonder if hardcore right wing Netanyahu types of Israeli politicians would even understand why that would be so bad. Anyway, with Hagel as the Defense Secretary of the U.S., we're basically guaranteed that the U.S. will not have any kind of military conflict with Iran at least until Obama leaves office. When Barack leaves the oval office and Hagel is replaced, anything could happen.

pleep: haha yup, the former leader of the KKK

But still, the video does have merit, did u watch it?

I watched it.

-The quotes from those rabbis are crazy and offensive, but after looking them up it seems that those statements were criticized by some other Jews. I don't take the statements of a few religious nutjobs too seriously in assessing what the worldview of an entire group of people is.

- I don't see what the big deal is about the shiksa thing - the intended meaning of a word as it is used, not its original etymology is what is important. The etymology of "Ethiopian" is some Greek words that mean "burnt face." Does that mean that someone who calls himself an Ethiopian is trying to say that he is a burnt faced person? However, if it is used not just to designate a non-Jewish woman, but to denigrate that woman because of her non-Jewishness, and if the Jews that started using the word viewed non-Jewish women as promiscuous or whor1sh in the places that they stayed in in Europe, then that means that they too developed ugly stereotypes about other peoples just as those peoples did about Jews. I guess you could call it "anti-gentilism" of some sort. This is basically evidence that Jews can be just as bigoted as other groups, but I can't see how it indicates that they are uniquely hateful or "the most" hateful.

- On the U.S. Congress honoring that crazy rabbi - it seems they didn't do their homework. That was very dumb.

- On Iraq, I agree that the Iraq war was basically about Israel (and a possible future war against Iran would also be about Israel), not about Saddam or imaginary WMD's. Certain strongly pro-Israel Jewish "neoconservatives" in the Bush administration basically convinced Bush (not exactly the brightest guy to hold the U.S. presidency), Rumsfeld, etc. of the need for a war in Iraq to eliminate the threat that Saddam Hussein's regime posed to freedom, liberty, his own Iraqi people, etc., when the underlying motivation probably had more to do with removing the threat that Saddam posed to Israel (consider Israel's 1981 strike against Iraq's nuclear program) through conquest and occupation and possibly partitioning Iraq along ethnic or religious (Shia vs. Sunni) lines to weaken the strength of the country as a threat to Israel. On Afghanistan, I agree with the idea that that war is basically about Israel, although there was not really any pro-Israel high level political plot involved there. That war, unlike the Iraq war, is really the U.S's war, and not Israel's even if the root cause of the conflict has a lot to do with Israel. It's very unlikely that Al-Qaeda would have attacked the U.S. and U.S. forces multiple times (not just on Sept. 11) if not for the U.S.'s continued unwavering support for Israel, but nobody wanted that war to happen and it only happened because those terrorists carried out such a large attack on the U.S. and insisted on using Afghanistan (an area where they could operate unchecked by a real government) as their base.

The U.S. and most of Europe will continue to support Israel and the right of the Jewish people to have that homeland in the middle east because many influential or politically powerful non-Jewish people in the U.S. and Europe are basically Christian Zionists who support Israel for religion-related reasons, because many of them are scared that Jews will be subjected to genocide if they let the Arab states take over that area, because many of them feel guilt about previous mass murders of Jews in Europe, and because some people in Europe fear that if they don't have somewhere else to keep the Jews away from them then Jews will flood Europe and affect their societies in ways that they wouldn't want (in areas of economic, political, and media influence).

- The Lavon affair was a pretty disgraceful scheme. I'm surprised that the Israeli government hasn't apologized to the U.S. for that. The attack on the U.S.S. Liberty seems to have been a mistake from what I've read.

- As for the closing parts of David Duke's speech, it sounded very politician-like, full of self-aggrandizement and inspirational, positive sounding platitudes. Doesn't change the fact that, regardless of the few things he occasionally gets right, he is a dedicated hatemonger and not really a force for good.

I would go easy on the Jews, even though I disagree with the idea that any criticism of Jews or Israel is equivalent to "anti-semitism". They can be criticized, but it's kind of bizarre that so many of the people that want to criticize them always produce such extreme caricatures of their flaws or failings. I would especially go easy on them as regards their never-ending conflict/race war/competition with white Europeans because I recall that they were forced into "Western Civilization" against their will by white Europeans. Basically all of the problems they face today, including the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, can actually be traced back to European imperialism, starting with the Romans and proceeding up to the 20th century and the actions of the British. If the ancestors of the people that hate them so much (mostly white, but occasionally also from some other racial groups, especially middle eastern groups), had simply left them alone to fight it out with their Semitic cousins in the Middle East, they wouldn't even be that relevant to the history of other places in the world and nobody would have a reason to complain so much about them.

Every once in a while, when searching on the internet for information relating to something race related, I'll stumble upon a thread on the forum of a white supremacist site like stormfront or vnn and instead of just reading the one topic that I stumbled upon, I'll start reading through more of their forum just to see what they're claiming about us and other groups now. Recently while on stormfront, I came across a link that was posted there to a completely different site called "The Occidental Observer." The entire site, its members/commenters and its article authors, and the founder of the site (a psychology professor) are all obsessed with Jews to an extreme degree. As I read more and more of the articles and claims and analyses, the things that kept bothering me and which kept popping up in the back of my mind were

a) "if you hate these people so much, why did your forefathers force them into your European cultures and societies?" (firstly through the actions of the Romans, who are praised widely by most European and European descended groups for conquering their ancestors and thereby disseminating "civilization" to their forefathers and who are praised by some not for spreading civilization to other Europeans but just for being white and having a civilization and conquering some other non-European groups, and then secondly through the actions of later European kingdoms/countries in expelling the Jews many times from their lands, forcing them to migrate into other European countries and disperse themselves even more widely into Western societies in the absence of a Jewish state)

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b) "why did you adopt wholesale a plagiarized and modified version of their morality and ethical code?" (through Christianity). After a while, the complete overkill, distortion and exaggeration in their claims on Jews in the articles and on those sites and forums started having the opposite effect of what was intended and started making me feel even sorrier for the Jews for having to put up with such paranoid obsession, fear, and loathing from other groups that they never wanted anything to do with in the first place.


But at the topic, yes Jews can be racist against non-Jewish whites, against Arabs, against black people (even against "black Jews" in Israel), and against any other group. They have just as much of an ability to be racist as other groups and I have come across racist statements from Jewish writers and "intellectuals", etc. before, but I have my doubts about Israel being "the most" racist nation on earth. It sounds like more exaggeration.

pleep: (btw i dont dislike the Jews, this thread is for informational purposes and is not intended to spread hate)

lol, but you're posting a video by David Duke?

Dudu_Negro: Ado and Iwa came from a different root and both are attributes of God used functionally for different rituals. Adura is supplication to God and is not an attribute of Him, neither is it made of the attributes of ado and iwa.

Ado is Adonai
Iwa is IHWH which is same as YHWH and from which they got YHVH

Orunmila is the covenant of TWO pairs "the Ideal world" and "the Real world". Precisely, it is the command or decree that issued forth in the primordial awakening, THE WORD!

IWA pele is an attribute of Adam. Omoluabi is an attribute of Noah.

The Yoruba word "bi" is bin which is also binai or binei or beni or b'nei.

I hold the theory that "bini" as in bini city or benin city or Republic of Benin are ancient Yoruba designates for the seat of power occupied by Ife princes. These will be the seat of throne at Popo and the one in Bini. The common interpretation that it derived from "ibinu" (anger or fury) is wrong. My theory of bini being a cognate with bin (meaning child of) is supported by the title of the monarch ......Omo n'Oba (the child of Oba).

You're misinterpreting the sense conveyed by the use of "Omo" in Omo n'Oba n'Edo. It means something different from what one would take as the literal meaning:

' "Omo" here is an appellation for the king. Although it is the same lexical item as "child," in this context it has the meaning of the special child who is the embodiment or personification of Benin. Ne is an epithetic particle that introduces the attributive or titular qualifiers of a noun or serves to amplify the meaning of a noun; thus the special child (Omo) who embodies both kingship (Oba) and the land or people (Edo). See Rebecca N. Agheyisi (in press). ' - From the first footnote in the article "Kingship Succession Rituals in Benin. 1: Becoming a Crown Prince" (1983) by Joseph Nevadomsky and Daniel E. Inneh

The Ezomo of Benin was/is also called "Omo" by the way.

There are certain Edo words and titles which conveyed an idea clearly to people, but which would be a bit harder for just anybody to understand today. The use of "omo" to indicate one who is a special personification of something is one of these words. We can't always just ascribe literal meanings to words based on their appearance - there could be a more significant connotation or idea indicated by the context and one may end up missing the point.

Also, there was no time that Popo was called Benin, Bini, or any other variant of that name. It is just the case that the country that it is located in today was renamed after Benin a few decades ago.

That episode was great. It really brought the show back to life after a few slower and less significant episodes. And Lennie James is one hell of an actor.

RIP to Chavez. The man was a good leader.

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Dude looks like Frank Ocean (the singer). And is it normal for grown men to refer to themselves as "cute"?

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pazienza: What exactly do you mean by saying that igbanke is not "pure igbo", can you tell us what exactly you mean by that statement

Are you trolling, or is this a serious question?

This is a joke right?

If this is actually true, then I hope that the other guy (Kenyatta) wins.

It was a bit rambling as he moved from topic to topic while constantly returning to the main issue, but it was still very interesting and he did manage to connect all the different things he mentioned to the main issue of the talk in some way. He had a unique perspective on a lot of things in this talk. And who knew Soyinka was something of a movie buff? He mentioned several films and filmmakers that I had definitely never heard of, let alone watched. I definitely plan to look up those films and filmmakers.

Donarozzi: "Owa" is an Igbo word.

No, it's a word in multiple Nigerian languages, as I pointed out in the post that you quoted.

There are "Owa" communities in Delta and Edo states, all these "Owa" communities are Igbo.

This is incorrect. The O in "owa" meaning house in Edo is pronounced differently from the O in Owa referring to the Edo community in Orhionmwon LGA, but I think the origin of the name of the community might still be connected to a meaning relating to a house or home. Anyway, the Owa in Orhionmwon is Edo, not Igbo, so the statement from you above is false.

Shouldn't IBB's endorsement of APC actually rattle APC? IBB is a major criminal.

Meanwhile, Nigeria’s diplomatic missives on continental leadership, which was recently re-circulated, bore a major fruit yesterday as the leaders unanimously endorsed her candidature for the position of [size=14pt]non-permanent[/size] member of the United Nations (UN) Security Council (UNSC).

Honestly, I'll only care about this stuff when they start talking about a permanent position. That is what Nigeria should aspire to if the country is to be significant in international affairs.

@ kingoflag, did they check their sources on their claim about Ogbemudia?

This is what they claimed:

Gowon and the Federal Executive Council were reported to have been “shocked” but they “regularised the appointment since Ogbemudia was the most appropriate for the job.” Another document titled Military Campaign in the Midwest stated: “Ogbemudia’s father is of mixed Benin-Ika extraction, as his home village near Agbor is inhabited by a tribally mixed people. Ogbemudia’s mother is ‘pure Ibo’ from the East.”

However, that claim from "Military Campaign in the Midwest" is simply not accurate:

"Gen Ogbemudia is fondly called "Daddy" in his native Edo State where there are several monumental projects attesting to his vision. Born on September 17 1932 to a polygamous family at Iguevbioba village near Benin, small Samuel grew up under a no-nonsense father, Pa Ogbemudia, who had three wives and three other children. He did not spare the rod, according to Dr. Ogbemudia, a great grandson of Obakhavbeye, the Benin Empire warlord who did battle in 1897 against the invading British. . ." - p. 358, West Africa, Issues 4180-4189, Afrimedia International, 1998

(It should be spelled "Obakhavbaye", but the article in the magazine spells it "Obakhavbeye" and the name of his father's village is "Iguovbiobo" (in Uhunmwode LGA, near Benin City) not "Iguevbioba" as the interviewer wrote it.)

That is from the West Africa news magazine where he was profiled and interviewed in the Current Affairs section in an article called "Who is Ogbemudia?". In the same interview from that article in the magazine, Ogbemudia states:

"The Benin man believes in God as the supreme being, but that his ancestors can always assist him to achieve his ultimate. So, I believe in my ancestors, I believe in destiny. . ." - Samuel Ogbemudia, 1998

And in recent years Samuel Ogbemudia has been one of the chairmen of a Bini socio-cultural organization, Enunuedo. It's long been known that his father was Bini and his mother was from Igbanke (an Ika-Igbo group), not "pure Ibo from the East." The people of Igbanke are not and have never been "pure Igbo" and are actually heavily Benin influenced and with significant Bini ancestry.

And the Irish priest referenced at the end there as "Father Coleman", who witnessed some of the killings of non-Igbos in the Midwest by the Biafran forces is the late Father Ned Coleman. Even before these files were released, I had contacted some officials of the SMA (Society of African Missions) who informed me about some of the things that happened during and at the end of the Biafran occupation of the Midwest. Chilling, ugly stuff. There were more atrocities than just the killings mentioned in this article, although I won't disclose all that they told me here.

@ Rossike, you do realize that the Olmec culture left behind other art that depicted humans besides just those heads right?

It would be interesting to see you attempt to interpret the other Olmec art as depicting black Africans. In fact, I'd like to read what kind of things you would have to say in order to convince yourself and others that the other Olmec art depicting humans depicts black Africans. Or perhaps you would just pretend that only these heads matter and ignore all the other art of the culture because it doesn't fit in as well with your thesis.

ekt_bear: Yeah the olmec figures have always puzzled me. I'm not sure what the explanation is. Thing is, if it were Africans or people of African descent, you'd figure that you'd see the evidence in Mexican DNA. Unless these hypothetical Africans got wiped out somehow...?

Anyway I don't know.

The explanation is that they were not black Africans. It's a totally different and unrelated culture. This stuff has been debunked already. There is possibly evidence of some black people being in the Americas before the trans-Atlantic slave trade, but this Olmec stuff (from Leo Wiener's/Ivan van Sertima's theories) is not it.

ekt_bear: The point is, modern Mexicans have little or no African features. They look nothing like those Olmec carvings.

Mexicans in general are not pure descendants of the native populations of that area though, even though around 10% of the population of Mexico is mostly unmixed (the Mexican 'Indians'). Certainly when I think of a Mexican I don't think of people that look like how the indigenous peoples of Mexico and other places in Mesoamerica really look. I think of someone who looks more like Carlos Santana, who is definitely not "white", but still doesn't look like how the indigenous unmixed population really looks. Only one-tenth of Mexicans are "Mexican Indians" and these aren't the people we see representing Mexicans on TV or movies or other media.

Have you seen what unmixed (without Spanish ancestry) native peoples of Mesoamerica really look like? Here are some examples:

https://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxwl7erAhU1qi7ua6.jpg

(An elderly Mexican Indian woman)

https://www.learntoquestion.com/seevak/sites/2011/menchu/images/rigobertamenchu.jpg

(Rigoberta Menchu, an indigenous Guatemalan woman)

[img]http://1.bp..com/_00lZkWvd9QE/TJwEVR4sxZI/AAAAAAAABG8/J_exPkpM6nM/s1600/mixtec.jpg[/img]

(Mixtec women from Mexico)

https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/2374248932_dcd978d05a.jpg

(A Mayan woman from Guatemala)

https://www.nationwares.com/wp-content/themes/TheFurnitureStoreLight/images/10.png

(Another Mayan woman from Guatemala)

https://fresnoalliance.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/2010-08-San-Juan-Copala-1024x766.jpg

(Mixtec family in San Juan Copala, Mexico)

https://www.unhcr.org/thumb1/49bfd6732.jpg

(An Embera girl from Colombia)

https://www.christianaid.org.uk/Images/ColumbiaPG3_Agal_tcm15-49805.jpg

(An Embera woman from Colombia)


The indigenous peoples of Mesoamerica look very distinct from Latinos/Hispanics of today although of course there is some overlap because of the mixing. Anyway, the depictions of people in the ancient artwork found in the cultures of Mesoamerica are of the indigenous peoples of Mesoamerica, not black Africans or anybody else.

wesley80: "High ranking Benin Chief" and "Okada" in one sentence could only be referring to one ex-governor's Pops and yes, he used to own "Okada Air".

lol

PortHarcourtBoy: His Son, Late Prof. Chi Ikoku was the best Petroleum and Gas Engineer Africa ever produced.

His books in Petroleum Engineering are still widely used in American and Canadian Universities.

For your info, he designed the NLNG Bonny Process Trains and other notable Oil and Gas processes around the globe

Alvan's Daughter Inlaw, (Chi Ikoku's Wife) Late Dr. Mrs Ikoku was a renowned Accounting Lecturer also in the University of Port Harcourt. She passed on following an auto accident at the Abuja Airport road.

I also know Alvan's Grand Daughter (Chi Ikoku's Daughter) is a Design Engineer with Boeing, USA

Interesting. This Ikoku family is impressive.

Another great post from Iyaniwura.

ogugua88: [size=13pt]By the way, tonight's ending was the best ending EVER![/size]

I think I recall better endings in certain episodes of seasons 1 and 2, and I think that the ending of this season's mid-season finale was better than the ending of this episode, but I do think it was a pretty great ending. I really liked the shootout.

It's also pretty impressive how the writers managed to find a plausible way to return Merle and Darryl to Rick's group. I didn't see that coming at all. Things will definitely get even more interesting from here on.

As long as it doesn't turn into a Liberia type of situation it's not a bad idea at all. But I don't think the idea as formulated in the original post would be easy to set up. It wouldn't necessarily be a financial problem (the issue of monetary compensation for the ancestral owners/inhabitants of that land), as the African governments could simply compensate those landowners affected to get them to agree to make way for the African American or Caribbean "returnees". I think the real problem would be the idea of the returnees having full control of that land independent of the government of the country giving them the land. That is where a real clash could occur. There are ethnic groups already in Africa that want independent control of their land area and their own affairs, separate from the governments of the countries they are currently part of, so adding more groups from outside of Africa that want the same thing would be adding more drama to an unresolved issue.

Area-Fada:
Where in the piece does it say that they are Benin or even Edo people? Certainly the name doesn't suggest they are Bini.

I came across a facebook profile of someone else with the name (Emienor) and that person's last name suggested that he was from a certain ethnic group in Delta state, not Edo state. That might explain why the guy in this kidnapping case (another Emienor) ran to set up his hideout in Delta state. But like you said, some people rush to celebrate any bad news from certain places, not even knowing that the people causing that news aren't even from those places. Maybe it makes them feel better about themselves in some way.