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Ngodigha1: The Egbema in in Imo state is the same Egbema people in Rivers state. Formerly they were in Imo state until the bounndary adjustments of 1976 which later placed them in Rivers state. Because of the oil reserves found there, the Nasir committe decided to transfer them into Rivers state where there are other oil producing communities. Thank God shortly after this adjustment, the other side that was left in Imo state was also discovered of large oil deposits.Thanks for the explanation. I was basically right then. There are some groups and places with similar or identical names among different ethnic groups so these misunderstandings can sometimes happen. |
killayut: I do not normally refer no one to wiki but at least who ever posted this on wiki made a little pointHow do you determine who are the "native" Engenni people and who are the Edoid migrants? Maybe the Engenni people are Edoid in origin not Ijoid but some mixed with the native Ijaws from other groups. |
mbhs139: Them this idiots don change the topicIf it pains you, go sit in the corner and cry. werepeLeri: Whats this?It was an observation. Dis Guy: @PhysicsQEDActually, frowning doesn't do that to one's forehead. If anything, a frown would smooth out the wrinkles. Anyway, I know the wrinkles are mostly due to the facial expression he was making, but I was just making an observation about how weird it looks. |
Perhaps there are two different Egbema (one Ijaw and one Igbo) groups with the same name? I say this only because the Egbema in Delta and Edo states are clearly Ijaw, not Igbo. So if the Egbema in Rivers claim an Igbo origin, it's possible that the name sharing is a coincidence between an Igbo group called Egbema and an Ijaw group with the same name with a different meaning. This is just a suggestion as a possible explanation. |
The Onion is a fake/comedic news group. They make up fake but sometimes funny stories about real people, especially politicians and celebrities. This story is completely false, but I guess the "humor" in this story is meant to derive from how ironic it would be if Obama was not there for his (fictitious) son in exactly the same way Obama's father wasn't there for him. ![]() |
shymexx: ^^^That's all you need to know about the movie and Terry Jones' involvement.Nakoula would be fluent in Egyptian Arabic and 'Bacile' is just one of Nakoula's fictitious identities. Even if the film was shot in 2011, the trailer might have only been made and posted on the internet in 2012 with Nakoula's dubbing. |
esere826: In Nigeria, many of have 2 ages. The first is official, the other is the real one. So just place him between 55 to 65, and you might be correctWell I took his age as what I saw it listed as in most places, but it's true that he might actually be older than what is officially listed. |
shymexx: Check this out:I don't see how you can conclude all of that and link it to Jones directly, but I admit that there is a possibility that more people were involved than just Nakoula and his close associates. |
esere826: Your age rangeAre you serious? I'm probably younger than you."Only 51" in that context doesn't mean 51 is actually young. It means 51 is too young for him to have such a wrinkly forehead. Sanusi is more than twice my age but the lines on his forehead are more like what you'd see on a man four times my age. |
I doubt anyone can find a picture of a 50 year old black man from anywhere in the world whose forehead is that wrinkled. You'd probably have to find someone in their 70s or 80s at least. |
^^^ I don't get it. What do you mean? |
shymexx: Yeah, but the producer allegedly raised $3million for the movie inconjuction with Pastor Terry Jones...Nakoula just likes to make up stuff - he has a history of this. The scenes shown in the trailer prove that whatever he was working on did not involve anywhere near $1 million, let alone 3 million dollars or "5 million dollars from 100 Jewish donors". |
shymexx: And you think the Egyptian informant raised $3million for that video??It's not a production with costs going into the millions - if the film was finished at all. The quality of the trailer has been described as amateurish and cheap by basically everybody. |
shymexx: This is the S.O.B, unrepentant bigot and sadistic old fart responsible for promoting the video. And he's also notorious for burning the Quran every year... This old fart needs to be locked up in the dungeon...That guy (Jones) is a nuisance but it seems he genuinely had very little to do with initially promoting the video: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/world/middleeast/us-envoy-to-libya-is-reported-killed.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all http://www.patheos.com/blogs/philosophicalfragments/2012/09/12/the-innocence-of-muslims-and-the-guilt-of-terry-jones/ (this second link incorrectly states that the film was made by 'Sam Bacile', which is actually one of Nakoula's fake identities) |
shymexx: The guy just played a part in the logistics of the video - he has absolutely nothing to do with video... Why are they troubling the guy, and not Pastor Terry Jones?? Leave the Egyptian guy alone!!Read the reports. He was using pseudonyms and fake identities. He orchestrated the whole thing: https://www.nairaland.com/1047728/real-maker-controversial-film-innocence Terry Jones is a minor player in all this and was just somebody he went to to see if he could promote the film for him. |
FSU: One would think that with all this your cyber braggadocio you would at least get your facts right: he is not an Israeli Amerian, he is Egyptian AmericanLooking at that wikipedia profile, this guy seems like an even more massive loser than I had previously thought. I knew he had a criminal past involving fraud but I didn't know he was also involved with illegal drugs: According to Associated Press, "Prior to his bank fraud conviction, Nakoula struggled with a series of financial problems," including a $106,000 lien filed against him in 1997 and a $191,000 tax lien in 2006.[11] Nakoula owned a gas station, against which the California State Board of Equalization put a lien, stating that he owed taxes, interest and penalties dating from 1989 to 1992.[12] |
[img]https://www.nairaland.com/attachments/821750_Sanusi-Lamido-Sanusi_jpgd7f4b1946fe00e56d3dcc41ebe7744dd[/img] Why is this man's forehead so wrinkly? He's only 51. Every time I come across a picture of his overly wrinkled forehead I cringe a little. |
The video was made by an Egyptian Coptic Christian in the US who is a former criminal. If that guy had any balls he would have made the video in Egypt and released it while still living in Egypt (whether under a pseudonym or using his real name). The US has nothing to apologize for here. |
Interesting discussion, even with all the bickering and country bashing. @ panafrican, where are you from? |
@ killayut On prince Ginuwa, I don't see your point about the Itsekiri not speaking Edo. A Benin prince became Oba of Lagos, but the native Lagos Yorubas don't speak Edo either. If you think the Western Ijaws met the Portuguese before the Itsekiri did, that's fine and I don't really have any issue with that. I did not say the Itsekiri actually did meet the Portuguese first or before the Ijaw, I just had a slightly different time frame for the beginning of their kingdom than you do. I have no way of knowing who actually met who first and it's not an issue of contention for me. |
@ jantavanta, on the Moor heralds: http://www.vam.ac.uk/content/articles/a/africans-in-medieval-and-renaissance-art-moors-head/ http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/secret/famous/ssecretum.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackamoors_%28decorative_arts%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maure This art shouldn't be so hard to get and I don't see what the basis for all this conspiracy building is. |
So the British were issuing multiple coins depicting George III looking like a white European, but simultaneously issued one coin depicting a black man with a crown on his head above the words "I Serve" for an island (Barbados) mostly populated at the time by slaves who happened to be black and the conclusion you guys would reach is that the white George III coins are all fakes in some grand conspiracy and the black man with the crown is the only authentic one even though the same white British people photographed and published both groups of coins? I don't think I'm the one that has suspended his thinking faculties here. |
Congrats to her. |
[size=16pt]Shantaniqua?!![/size] You can't make this stuff up. I was almost in disbelief when I read that name. |
Lord_Reed: The man in question was purported to be a jew not an egytian.The man disguising himself as a fictitious Israeli Jew is actually a Coptic Christian (an Egyptian Christian) and a former criminal: https://www.nairaland.com/1047728/real-maker-controversial-film-innocence http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/13/13842406-man-behind-anti-islam-film-reportedly-is-egyptian-born-ex-con?lite http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/us-law-enforcement-nakoula-is-filmmaker-of-anti-muslim-movie-blamed-for-violence/2012/09/13/5f58265c-fe02-11e1-98c6-ec0a0a93f8eb_story.html |
Acidosis: Now only a man with a dead brain would want to talk rubbish after reading the comment from PhysicsQED.Well the thing is that the deputy governor has not yet proven that the only well that is currently "producing," is in Odeke in Ibaji. I'd be interested in what the management of Orient has to say about that claim. I don't know whether the statement is or is not accurate, but I think Orient will probably clarify the matter in the near future. |
Rossikk: Why are we supposed to trust what they're writing here?The same people who provided this information would probably be the same people that photographed and published the image of that coin and put it on the internet - today's white British. Obviously they didn't think some sort of conspiracy theory would be built around it when they did so. If you don't believe what they claim about it, I wonder why you or jantavanta would cite other old (or not so old) writings published/released by modern white European writers and researchers to make some of the claims being made in this thread. |
Rossikk: Good heavens. These are all black people.Are you serious? |
Rossikk: That's clearly a black monarch.The problem for the claim is that it's not actually a depiction of a monarch: "Summary: 1 Penny token, Issued by, Sir Philip Gibbs, Barbados, 1792. Gibbs Plantation Token Minted at Milton, J. (probably using Royal Mint press) struck on 25 July 1792 Statement Of Significance: In 1788 the Gibbs Plantation successfully circulated a token coinage featuring a slave and a pineapple throughout Barbados. A second design was sought in 1792 based on the Seal of the island, King George III as Neptune being drawn across the sea in a bega of hippocampi. The dies were engraved by J. Milton of the Royal Mint, London who seems to have supervised the striking on 24 July 1792. The seal was granted by King Charles II on 3 June 1663. Acquisition Information: Transfer from National Gallery of Victoria (NGV), 1976 Discipline: Numismatics Dimensions: 31.5 mm (Diameter) Weight: 12.553 g (Weight) Primary Classification: TRADE TOKENS Secondary Classification: Barbados Tertiary Classification: working strikes Series: Plantation DateEra: 1792 AD Denomination: 1 Penny Obverse Description: The head of a slave facing left, wearing a coronet and three feather plume; below, I SERVE; artist's initial, M, incuse on neck trucation. Reverse Description: King George III (as Neptune) seated in a chariot drawn to left by a pair of hippocampi; above, BARBADOES . PENNY ; in exergue, 1792 Edge Description: Plain Shape: round Material: Copper Issued By: Sir Philip Gibbs, Barbados, 1792 Mint: Milton, London (Mint), London, Great Britain, 1792 Artist: John Milton - Royal Mint, London References: Pridmore 3.14 Remick C1 Hocking 4113 Bibliography: [Book], Mr William Hocking - Royal Mint, London Operative, Catalogue of the Coins, Tokens, Medals, Dies and Seals in the Museum of the Royal Mint, London, 1906 [Book], Major Fred Pridmore, The Coins of the British Commonwealth of Nations, Part 3, West Indies, Spink & Son Ltd., London, 1965 [Book], Jerome Remick, British Commonwealth Coins, Regency Coin and Stamp Co. Ltd., Winnipeg, 1971" http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/77236/token-1-penny-sir-philip-gibbs-barbados-1792 These are coins meant to represent George III from around the same time: https://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/itemimages/415/144/415144_Large.jpg https://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/itemimages/415/394/415394_Large.jpg http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/77539/coin-1-guinea-george-iii-great-britain-1790?startType=ItemTimeline&start=19 http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/57736/coin-half-guinea-george-iii-great-britain-1790 |
I think there is some confusion about what the Kogi state government is actually claiming so I'll post the interview with the deputy governor: "Kogi State Deputy Governor, Mr. Yomi Awoniyi, in this interview with Shola Oyeyipo,spoke on the controversy between Kogi and Anambra States over oil wells being managed by Orient Refinery. Excerpts: Why were you at Aguleri, Otu in Anambra State during the commissioning of Orient Refinery? I was there to represent the Kogi State governor, Captain Idris Ichalla Wada, who was invited by Orient Petroleum Company to be part of the event. President Goodluck Jonathan was also present at the event. We were invited because our state is an important stakeholder in that enterprise. So, we had to be there to represent the state and our interest. What is the stake of Kogi State in the refinery? As you may know, Orient is operating on OPL 915 and this oil field straddles several states, which include Kogi State. One of the oil wells that has been explored and capped by ELF on the ground that it is not economically viable is what is being re-explored by Orient. The well is actually in Ibaji Local Government Area of Kogi State. So, on the stretch of that, we feel it was only reasonable as a government that is concerned about the welfare of its people and that is actively participating in encouraging private investors to invest in the state to felicitate with Orient on its success story. Don’t you think the oil wells have been conceded to Anambra State following statement by the Federal Government that Anambra has joined oil producing states? I don’t see how one can make that extension. The oil well is in Anambra River Basin. It is a very large expanse of reserve underground with an overlay of several states on that basin and even that basin has been divided into several OPLs. Orient has 915 and 916. Now, one of the wells is in Kogi State while other wells are in Anambra State and you can drill as many holes as you want in this basin and every hole you drill is a well. Like I said, there was a well that was drilled by ELF years ago and capped, which EFL used to call Obisi 1 but ELF now left that concession because it felt it was not a viable one and orient now applied to Department of Petroleum Resources (DPR) and it was given that concession. It then went to the capped well and developed it and named it Anambra River 1. As far as their operation is concerned, they named it as such, but that still does not mean that the mere fact that Orient has found oil in Anambra has excluded Kogi State’s claim as a member of the river basin that has oil as a commodity. Is there any controversy between Kogi and Anambra states over the oil well? There were talks going on. Long before the issue of the oil well, there was a matter that was brought to the attention of the National Boundary Commission as it relates to communal clashes between Kogi and Anambra communities around that area. So, you can now imagine with oil now thrown into the mix, that communal issue will now require a more urgent attention for the purpose of resolving it. I can tell you that both states - well let me speak for Kogi State - we have absolute faith in the Nigeria Boundary Commission to do the right thing as far as delineating our boundaries with Anambra is concerned. In fact, it should be done for the three states there – Kogi, Anambra and Enugu. The three states are all laying claims to one part of it or the other. But for us, we are all Nigerians. The oil underground spreads definitely beyond the boundary of these states and what we need to do is to prospect it but we have the good fortune of knowing that the one that is producing now happens to come from Odeke, a community in Ibaji LGA. In a letter to your office recently, the boundary commission on oil activities in Ibaji land accused Orient of trying to re-draw the boundary between the affected states by alleging that two of the oil wells are in Anambra and Enugu states. How will you react to this? Let me educate you on that. Though I am not aware of that report but I need to say certain things. That oil we are talking about was first developed by ELF and when they were to access the oil well years ago, as it is the case in standard practice, they had to pay compensation to the villages that were around there as prelude to the commencement of their work. And I can assure you that the communities that were paid are Kogi based communities. I am not sure that there has been any re-delineation of border lines since then. It is just a matter of making sure that proper documents are checked to further prove that the genesis of that oil well resides with Kogi State in terms of compensation and even accessibility. Considering the fact that you said oil wells spread across the three states. What is the possibility that Kogi State can draw from the oil well? Kogi State cannot tap from the same oil. For us to tap from it, we have to apply to the DPR for licence and if granted, we’ll look for investors to develop it. But it is not like drilling a borehole. It is a complex operation because oil is the exclusive right of the Federal Government and can only be controlled by it. What do you want the people of the state to understand as the Chairman of Kogi State Boundary Commission? Let me be very frank with you, being a member of oil producing states, the benefit is directly proportional to the quantum of oil that is derived from your own portion of the mix. What Orient is producing now is very small and if that well exclusively belongs to us in terms of location, what we will be getting today will be next to nothing. So, we need to create an enabling environment for more companies to come to the Kogi State portion of the river basin to explore oil so that at the end of the day, we can have a company that is producing 2000 barrels per day. Earlier, I said ELF capped the well some years ago. And it was because they concluded that it was not a productive well that it was abandoned. But today, with new technologies, the oil wells are now viable. So, we need to conduct ourselves as a people to make our communities conducive enough for investors to come in." http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/awoniyi-with-oil-kogi-anambra-relationship-is-more-delicate/124213/ |
killayut: Read this and learn.... There and see that Warri never existed then.. Even Benin was mentioned but never warri or Itshekiri . killayut: It was stated that Ginuwa hid among Ijaw people in IJALA and at about 1576 or so the Portuguese met him. Mind you there was no Itshekiri then yet But Ginuwa and his people in the Ijaw settlement oof IJALA.. An Itshekiri historian wrote it..... check it here ... http://books.google.ca/books?id=de-oEDGZcPIC&pg=PA5&lpg=PA5&dq=Portuguese+Niger+delta&source=bl&ots=QXZxAnVsfc&sig=HqxSDvOy85TizuZW25w18CEB4dM&hl=en#v=onepage&q=Portuguese%20Niger%20delta&f=falseI've read much of the account of William Moore already. He doesn't explain why the date is approximately 1516 (not 1576 as you wrote), rather than an earlier date (like soon after 1480) in that tradition, considering that Ginuwa was the son of Oba Olua of Benin, but from the language he uses it seems clear that they were already at Ijala before 1516 and that the king's sons relocated to Ode Itsekiri later. Anyway, I assume it (Iwere) was founded in the late 15th century as per what I'd already read and others will assume it was founded in the early 16th century based on William Moore's writings (some time near the 1516 date, not the 1576 date you just made up). That's fine and our perspectives are not that different since "late 15th century" and "early 16th century" are not that far apart. Also, I would advise you not to rely too heavily or exclusively on Peter Ekeh's accounts as he has an occasional tendency to distort what the written sources actually say when making his arguments, even if he does bring up some relevant or originally obscure facts. I've had to point out one of his distortions (regarding a story from Benin recorded by Robert Bradbury) in another thread on a completely unrelated matter. Also, Ekeh has a long running dispute over this Itsekiri/Warri/Urhobo/Ijaw issue, hence his insertion in there of a claim that the sons of Ginuwa were maternally of Ijaw descent (with no evidence or references) and his claim about the name Aveiro and the name Iwere (an ingenious invention, but not supported by any facts or any other real research). I'm not sure why he is letting his issues with the Itsekiri push him to the point of misleading people, but he's definitely not an even remotely objective source of information (which is not to say that those he was/is arguing against were necessarily objective or completely accurate in their claiming either). |
The AP Solves the Mystery of the Man Behind Innocence of Muslims By Abby Ohlheiser and Josh Voorhees Posted Thursday, Sept. 13, 2012, at 11:19 AM ET https://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/the_slatest/2012/09/13/nakoula_basseley_nakoula_sam_bacile_innocence_of_muslims_filmmaker_ided_by_the_associated_press_/151951115.jpg.CROP.rectangle4-medium.jpg A protester waves a flag outside the gate of the U.S. Embassy in Sanaa, Yemen, during a protest over a film mocking Islam on Thursday. Photo by Mohammed Huwais/AFP/Getty Images. It looks like the Associated Press has solved the mystery of who was behind the anti-Islam film believed to have sparked this week's violent protests at U.S. missions in Egypt, Libya, and throughout the Middle East. That man is Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, a 55-year-old Coptic Christian with a criminal past who lives in California, according to the news wire's digging, which has been backed up by a federal law enforcement official. In an interview with the AP, Nakoula admitted to providing logistical support for the production of Innocence of Muslims but denied being "Sam Bacile," the name given as the film's maker. But the evidence cobbled together by AP reporters Gillian Flaccus and Stephen Braun suggests otherwise. The AP was one of a handful of media outlets to publish an interview early Wednesday with a man who claimed to be Bacile. Reporters traced the cellphone number used during that interview to Nakoula's address and, once there, noticed that Nakoula covered up his middle name of "Basseley" with his thumb when displaying his driver's license. A little more digging on the part of Flaccus and Braun led to the discovery that Nakoula pleaded no contest in 2010 to bank fraud charges, had used numerous aliases in the past, and had a number of connections to the Bacile persona. An unnamed U.S. law enforcement official later confirmed to the AP that they had the right man. Religion Dispatch's Sarah Posner appears to have been the first reporter to raise doubts about Bacile on Wednesday, noting that the man who spoke with the media gave conflicting details about himself. Over the course of the day, those doubts grew, with reporters noting that despite a claim that the film cost $5 million—which "Bacile" claimed to have raised from 100 Israeli donors—it had comically poor production value. A 13-minute trailer for the film portrays Mohammed as a pedophile-appeasing, bumbling spreader of false doctrine. Notably, as On the Media spotted, all of the more controversial lines in the trailer were dubbed in later, apparently to keep the film's actors and crew from knowing what they were working on. Nakoula apparently went to Terry Jones, the Florida-based, Quran-burning pastor, a few weeks ago for help promoting the film. In an interview with the Daily Beast, Jones admitted that the film's negative portrayal of the Mohammed could cause violence, but he said he does not regret exercising free speech. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/09/13/nakoula_basseley_nakoula_sam_bacile_innocence_of_muslims_filmmaker_ided_by_the_associated_press_.html |
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I'm not a conspiracy theorist - but I know the Egyptian informant is just being used to defuse the situation because of his background... And I'm sure they have got a deal for him..