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occam: Comparing 2 data points (last yr vs. this year) is not a trend. Let's see the next 4 - 5 yrs if our score continues to improve. That's how you judge improvement in transparency level. You want to celebrate the 27 score? go ahead, that's ok

The bolded: Now we know Nigeria is spending an obscene amount for feeding a corrupt govt machine. And even with the knowledge and acceptance that N 1 billion is too high, did Jonathan slash the feeding and other wasteful spending? And yet you accept corruption level is improving. Gee! The kool aid served by this govt is made of potent stuff

What is the point of going 5 years back, when the government you have built your argument on is barely 2 years old? Do you believe it is reasonable to blame the current regime for corrupt practices of incidents of 5 years ago? I think not.

What I expected objective critic to do is to compare the TI rating of last year with this rating to conclude if under the current government, it is indeed getting worse or better. Any other comparison, such as you proposed, is mischievous and lack objectivity!

Farouk the son of Lawan (Theme: Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer)

You know Salisu Buhari
And Ghali Naa’ba
Patricia called Etteh
And Bank-ole and so on

But do you recall,
The most crooked representathief?

Farouk the son of Lawan
Was a very outspoken man
And if you ever knew him,
You would even say upright

All of the other looters
Use to hail and call him good
They always doff their hats
For Mr. Integrity

Then one foggy subsidy probe
Otedola came with doughs
While the tapes rolled frame by frame
Farouk caroused the doughs


When Nairalanders heard these
They collapsed in heaps and sighs
"Farcrook the son of Lawan
You belong to the Hall of Shame!"


Keep the nominations coming, let's nail this crook!

kulutempa: Point of correction sir.

2011: 143rd out of 182 countries 182 - 143 = 39th most corrupt country (39 places from Somalia the most corrupt)

2012: 139th out of 176 countries 176- 139 = 37th most corrupt country (37 places from Somalia the most corrupt)

39 from the bottom to 37 from the bottom means you are going down the rankings not improving. In relative terms and compared to other basket cases, we have actually done worse

That's a very skewed way of putting it.

The score was 27% whereas the previous one was 24%. The percentage is regardless of number of countries involved. It is an absolute value!

occam: Holding bragging rights over countries like Eritrea, Somalia or Tajikistan is improvement? We're still neck and neck with Pakistan, a perennial offender and true symbol of corruption.

Ask Nigerians on the street if they believe the level of corruption has reduced compared to say 15 yrs ago. They'll tell you Same or getting worse. People only believe what they see. Everyday na the same thing: Corrupt politicians looting the treasury (on the rise); Custom officers exhorting money (still rising); Govt officials demanding bribes to provide service (still a way of life).

This improved ranking means nothing. Election is in 2 yrs time, so expect our ranking to fall in 2014/2015. And I'm sure you know why.

Isn't it better that we hold bragging right over them, than for them to hold it over us? Or are you just criticizing for the sake of it? To the extent that marginal improvement count for noting in your book, but a drop will suit you better?

Guy, if the guy on the street measure stuff by their belly, must you join them? Isn't it your duty to objectively analyze issue, in such a manner that differentiate you from the guy on the street? Corruption and looting is not on the rise, unless you believe in the propaganda sold to the guy on the street. On the contrary, corruption and looting are been exposed rather than the grand cover up we were used to in the past.

Thanks to transparency in the current regime, we now have an idea how much is spent annually at Aso Rock for feeding and entertainment of staff and guests. Do you know how was spent during Obj and Yar Adua era for same purpose? I guess not!

But objective people hear the figures, and scream "looting", folks like us see the same and start with "transparency" before further analysis. I guess, that's where the difference lies between propaganda and objective criticism. Nuff said!

jmaine: Increased ranking means nothing . . .But decreased rating is good enough to mastvbate recklessly init . . . The kind of steez we entertain all in the name of being called a critic

Na so we see am.
It is the sort of argument we get from professional critics. Isn't it depressing?

omenka: The western societies find themselves in the enviable positions they occupy in the commity of nations not because their citizens sing praises of their governments for doing what is required of them to do by law. They are where they are because they constantly criticize, albiet constructively, the deeds and misdeeds of their governments. Their insatiable craving and relentless demend for pace settin performance from their leaders kept their leaders on the grindstone 247 producing unbelievably remarkable results.
It is quite disheartenin to hear jingles of praises for our government when they manage to build some housing estate, or construct some road.. It is such crass bootlickin and mediocrity that has brought this country to her knees cos once the leaders are comended, especially openly, all they assume is that they've finished the job and its now time to rest and enjoy!
Im not one of such who go dancing on their tail like circus chimps just cos the government has done what WE empowered them to do.
I see no good in them 'exposing' the thieves if they can't go the full hog of prosecutin and incarcerating them...
I'd always be critical until we get to that spot when we can take some deep breath of fresh air and exclaim 'Alas, We Have Arrived!'

Yet we must call a spade a spade. The country amass 27% as against 24% it achieved last time around. Slice or dice it anyhow you like, it is an improvement. Lest we forget, it was the same TI that once rated Nigeria the worst performer in the time past. Do we accept their rating when it suits our agenda of destruction criticism, and refuse it when it confutes it. With such duality, are we then better than the one we seek to 'correct' (that's if the intention is not sinister)

No one said the government has done enough stamp out corruption. But the argument raised by most objective poster is that 'there is an improvement' at least in the level of transparency. Is it enough, certainly not as more can and should be done. But painting doom and gloom and claiming things are worse to the extent of bandying mischievous figures as total money stolen by the current government as done by the Punch Newspaper is as callous as it is fallacious. In the end those who bandied such fallacy in the name of criticizing the government create more problem than they intend to solve.

Today, adept Nigerians recognise Sahara Reporters as purveyor of lies and propaganda. Won't it be sad if Punch and other normally reliable news media join in this ignoble practice.

Again, criticism should be balance, and objectivity should prevail. And it is in that respect that we must first recognize 27 as an improvement over 24 in the TI ranking and give credit to whom it due rather than peddling entrenched prejudice.

Quite interesting...


At least we get to know those states in the habit of simply gathering to share federal allocation as against those who actually put in to good use.

gidiMonsta: Hall of fame: #OccupyNigeria, Uncle Fash, Owelle Rochas, Comrade Adams.

Hall of shame: PointB (for his disqualification of Okija juju.) , Abubakar Shekau, Chinua Achebe

Perhaps he meant to say that Nigeria is not feasible in 2015!

I think contrary to the hate campaign by the opposition media and their agents in cyberspace, the International World (Transparency International for example) recognize the fact that the first step in fighting corruption is via transparency (no pun intended). The present government deliberate policy of exposing the rot in the oil and other sectors is very remarkable. It gives the population the opportunity to see for themselves, the corrupt practices enshrined over time, and well covered up by past governments in Nigeria, with options and solutions for dealing with them - i.e. full subsidy removal, deregulation, reform, transformation, privatization, budget cuts and tightening.

While the media may not appreciate the import of this (transparency) due to their partisan agenda, Transparency International, the world foremost corruption rating agency does, and rightly so.

Kudos to the Government for this improvement, even if it is marginal.

Ikengawo: lol your 'experiment' is funny and your point is a great one. PDP is making people guilty by association.
If we maintain this mentality you'll come to see a very negative depressed populace come out as a result and it has already happened.
For example, how do you know GEJ has done nothing? Because of the what the media tells you, and no matter what the media will tell you GEJ is destroying the nation.

Even look at the subsidy protests, the media was 100% one-sided, now Ribadu comes out with a report saying exactly with Okonjo Iweala was saying about the subsidy being a corrupt gate for wealth used by middle men that take advantage of it. Suddenly Ribadu is a hero who's plight is unheard by GEJ because GEJ isn't attacking the people he accused of corruption and the media is on Ribadu's side. But when GEJ and Iweala were saying that the entire corrupt system needs to be eliminated they were the enemy and the nigerian media mobilized diligently.

So how do you know GEJ is doing nothing? If i asked your worst enemy what have you achieved this year your worst enemy will spin it to make you look like a problem or a failure even if you saved the world it's self. Do you even wonder why there is no good news that comes out of the north or even Abuja? because it's a PDP stronghold and no matter that they do they will never get credit. Same with SE governors that are in the PDP like Sullivan and Amaechi.

forget that Amaechi has a private jet, he also demolished every substandard school in his state and rebuilt them all to a british standard. but what did you hear about? the private jet. why? hidden agenda.

Spot on my guy.

It's all part of the plot of ploy - call a dog a bad name, then hang it. The end game of the exaggerated level of corruption and bad publicity is to pave the way for a military coup. Unfortunately, the North is not in the best position to plot a coup, the SW has no history of leading a coup plot, and the SE have learnt so much from history of rescuing Nigeria via that path.

Fact is GEJ is doing a good job, as are a handful of PDP Governors. The hate campaign will certainly fail.

I support the idea of 6 regions.

As for Lagos and Abuja having regional status, I don't know the basis. I rather the Lagos like Abuja be declared federal territory and an Administrator/Minister be appointed to effectively manage it.

paddy_lo: Ah Ndu_Chuks, the subversive resident Arewa clown, good to see u.

Listen my bad, didnt know u guys have seen this before, u know, i actually got a day job, and am quite busy. . cheers.

Anyway, it good you brought it up again.

The magnitude of looting in Lagos State/ACN cannot be swept under the cyber-carpet. We shall keep this for providence sake.

kutchs: But just where did the minister say 6.2b will be used for publicity?
Sensational headline but lacking in substance.

I tire oo.

sheymoni: how i wish we have this kind of development in oyo state.when are we going to have something to talk about in oyo state? the governor seems to be sleeping.apart from mokola fly over & the reconstruction of awolowo bridge,he hasn't done anything in terms of development.

How can you wish this misery upon Oyo state? Is the state in a cave?

Okija_juju: Nwanne, dont be angry o!! I have stopped.. I only updated the nominations list to reflect the true status of things.. Sorry.. As an Independent Observer, I was only doing my job.. This is strictly business!

Noted. Carry on with whatever makes you happy. U know me now, no shaking!

Akanbi_edu: Musiwa is nairaland's bug. hehe

Na wa o. How can you call Aare Musiwa of Satellite fame a 'bug'
What world have we awoken to? Where are the justice campaigners and right crusaders - over to you!

[quote author=Okija_juju][/quote]Abeg give it up my brother.

Jarus said, back to business. Let's oblige.

olawalebabs: I don't have Barth in mind, i only sum the general assement of peoples opinion on this thread.

Ok. That's much better. Cos I was also doing similar assessment. Just that I used a real life example.

Akanbi_edu: I just like callng you that.

E be like say retardeen wey you dey call oga GEJ dey pain some people ooo?

Lol.

E be like say, you know no say one describes other with objects or things he experiences daily.

It's either Demdem has a retardeen in his family, or he is the retardeen. I think the later is more apt. No be so?

Please can we have this thread moved to ethic politic section:

https://www.nairaland.com/1122516/igbos-powerhouse-nigeria

Akanbi_edu: There is no need for that. Alhaji Retardeen.

lmao

Jarus: LMAO. Crazy girl, sorry man

For having the audacity to call His Excellency, the moderator of the largest section in the largest forum in the largest black nation in the world, Mai Shai, you are banned forever!

lol, aboki,

I never called you Mai shai, I only imagine that you may be living like one, judging from the way you behave. Anyway, like I said, your redemption is not a foregone conclusion you still have hope. By the way, you know those you can 'threaten' with ban. Not folks like me. A

And shouldn't you be calling for more nominations, rather than continue with this unnatural infatuation with 'girl-man'. I am as straight as they come just in case, another prey may suffice.

Baby mama: [size=18pt]I wonder if the air conditioned pedestrian bridges have been completed [/size]

Me too. It sure should house some homeless cultists who use to be Amosun friends and partners.

lagerwhenindoubt: As usual, never an answer but a twist in the question. FEC do not need to tell us their minutes, We just need to know which projects, which economic risks, which achievements and FYI. the USA does it, the UK does it, most EURO countries do it. It is called public information, .. be it Health, Education, Minority initiatives, TAX etc. everyone must know..

and as usual you fail (deliberately) with your summary post above. it is easily debunked because we (fortunately) have history to reference. how fares the fight (bit.ch slapping) against corruption

You need someone to spoon-feed again after all I have done about?

You lots claimed the guy is not working, I rolled out a list, and you are still asking for what exactly? Guy, google your friend.

olawalebabs: and others nominating Barth Nnaji because he is a christain and igbo, not minding the shaddy deal that burn his hand

Shady deal? The man resigned on his own accord base on priciple and integrity, something folks like Bakere could not in quest for power. Do you mind telling us more about the shady deal.

Honestly, I did even think about it for a moment you could be referring to Barth in your tirade, where we have more devilish pretenders like Bakare parading about like men of God, Na wa for u oo.

Jarus: Meanwhile, just by the way, you come across very feminine to me; I always image you as the Igbo version of Desola

As for that Desola, whether she likes it or not, she go marry me aboki omo mola, she just dey 'form swagger for here' (omo Yoruba ni mi, mo ni swagger - what a signature! )

lol, nice slide tackling.

You also remind of Mai Shia (the tea makers by the roadside),
Each time I chance upon them by the roadside, I usually imagine you siting in some corner beside the gutter, struggling with stove, mixing milo and saccharin with frumpy face like the world forced the trade upon you shoulder, and everyone is your enemy except for few. I mostly shake my head and wonder whatever make you grumpy and sad. Pray is it seun or mukina2 that brough this upon you? You don't have to do what you don't enjoy doing. Life is too sweet to be lived in bondage.

I only seek to add flavour and colour to your thread. Smile and enjoy yourself a little.

Oya, let's do copy and paste!



A List Of President Jonathan's Good Achievements

List by: Henry Omoregie



President Goodluck Ebele Jonathan has been recording unique achievements.

1. President Goodluck Jonathan became the first Nigerian President to be WARNED PUBLICLY not to contest for elections on account of ethno-regional selfish interest, AND PROMISED MAYHEM and GRIDLOCK if he does.

2. First President to experience over 50 UNWARRANTED, UNPRECEDENTED BOMBINGS of CHURCHES, PRIMARY SCHOOLS, UNIVERSITY CAMPUSES, DRINKING PARLOURS, MATCH VIEWING CENTERS in less than 365 days after his swearing-in.

3. First President/Head of State from the ENTIRE SOUTHERN NIGERIA, who is neither a NORTHERNER nor an EX-MILITARY man

4. First SOCIAL MEDIA ERA President/ Head of State

5. First President/ Head of State to experience the malicious death of INNOCENT, HARMLESS, UNARMED Youth Corpers serving their fatherland.

6. First President/ Head of State to evacuate Nigerians from trouble spots overseas by airlifting thousands of stranded citizens back home.

7. First President/ Head of State under whose tenure, MULTI PARTY DEMOCRACY blossomed most: 6 different political parties have governors in Nigeria: LP, ACN, PDP, APGA, ANPP, CPC (Please note: all court orders overturned in favour of opposition parties were all obeyed: Osun, Ekiti, etc)

8. First President/ Head of State to sign into law the FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT

9. First President/ Head of State to EFFECTIVELY outlaw toll-collecting illegal police checkpoints in Nigeria

10. First President/ Head of State to introduce a national tax policy to create a self-sufficient economy that could bring development to the people.

11. First president to pay attention to our International and local Airports - Kano airport upgraded after 57 years, other airports upgrades in progress.

12. Kaduna Refinery rehabilitated after 15 years

13. The first President to summon the courage to unbundle Electricity distribution after 52 years, power supply more than doubled after almost 100 years after amalgamation (met power supply at about 2,200 mw, now 4,237 mw) States Begin Electricity Distribution

14. First President to address the bad state of the Benin-Ore road which was rehabilitated after 20 years.

15. First president to rejuvenate our comatose Railways back to life after 20 years of lull in the sector, Colonial laws under review, States and Private investors welcome in the railways sector.

16. First to introduce 35% female appointments in government positions.

17. First in decades to reduce salaries of public servants and examine the proliferation of different salary structures in the public service in the federation

18. First to deliver on Nine New Varsities, to accommodate, the growing number of admission candidates/population

19. First to promise Almajiri school, promise kept

20. First to follow due process/rule of law in government conduct

21. First president to be thought of, by the average Nigerian, as his/her COUNCILLOR, LGA CHAIRMAN, ASSEMBLYMAN, GOVERNOR, REP OR SENATOR and CHIEF JUSTICE in one fell swoop, not minding the fact that everyone has his/her job cut out in a democracy as this is not a MILITARY DICTATORSHIP- that the buck does not stop at his desk in matters involving states, LGAs and the Judiciary or Legislature; that their jobs are complementary and they are allocated funds every month from FAAC, not to 'chop', but to work!

22.PIB

23.FIGHTING FOR FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS

24.PROSECUTION OF FUEL SUBSIDY THIEVES

25.FIGHT AGAINST BRIBERY AND CORRUPTION

26.FIRST FEMALE CHIEF JUSTICE OF NIGERIA

27.SUSTENANCE OF AMNESTY PROGRAMME

28.PERMANENTLY FLOW OF PETROLUEM PRODUCTS EVER IN NIGERIA

29.INCREASE OF OUR DAILY OIL PRODUCTION OUTPUT TO THE HIGEST EVER

30.PROMISE TO REVIEW IMMUNITY LAWS

31.ENTRY OF IMPORTED GOODS INTO NIGERIA IN 48 HOURS

SO MANY GREAT AND RESPONSIVE GOVERNMENT STRIDES ACHIEVED ON A DAILY BASIS

Demdem:

Ok, more nominations please.

Abeg commot for road jare!

Please let have more nominations!!

olawalebabs: Some posters on this thread make me feel sorry for Nigeria future, always analyzing issues along tribal and religion line. Is a pity.

My brother, Nigeria is a funny country walahi.

Imagine people nominating that hypocritical and scheming Pastor - Tunde Bakare for hall of fame because he bear Tunde and he is a christian . Tribalism and religion is indeed the bane of this country. Na wa oo.

God will help us.

Jarus: lmao

lol.

I trust the guy to run off with his tail between his legs. I wonder why people fear ban that much.
Please humour me Jarus, why do folks fear ban like death?