Dhugal banned till 12:37pm tomorrow, for taking a clown to the cleaners.
Imagine trying to teach one where one lived for 26years.
It's nairaland,of course.
Bunch of clowns
BTW,it's G.Allen.Not j.Allen

lyricalpontiff:
Do you know that an Igbo man was mayor of port harcourt for years?
God in heaven saved us from the evil plot of these igbo people.
They almost put Aba inside Rivers state infact Aba was the de facto capital of Rivers State.

When was Rivers State created and who created it?

Aren't Crocodiles, pythons and the like animals you find in a zoo?. Yet peeps go up in arms when called dwellers of a zoo.

bigfrancis21:
Pokur please there's no need engaging this guy in a worthless back and forth. Notice that nobody on this thread gave him the attention he needs. Simply overlook his post and move on with your life.

Please don't respond to his gibberish.

I noticed that already.
Somebody who confuses Anaedo with its dependent towns of old and a superficial construct,thinks Otolo is a town and Nkwo is all there is to Nnewi.

UtuhMbadike1:




I am greatly surprised by the content of this discussion. It’s proof of how drastically the beliefs of the Internet world could differ from the realities of the true world.

I am Nnewi South and here’s our general view of the Nri: My ancestors believe the Nri to be immigrants. We have an unmistakable view of them as being “other”—i.e. “foreign/non-Igbo”. This isn’t contestable among my folk, but is not at all negative because in Amichi, my maternal hometown, the Nri are invited to “cleanse” the land, most likely from nearby Oraeri although there is also an Nri community within Amichi itself, called “Umu-nri Ebenasa Amichi” and located right on the borders between Amichi, Osumenyi and my hometown of Utuh-Mbadike. Amichi has its centrally located Eke market, but the Umu-nri Ebenasa has its own small Nkwo market—and there’s a palpable element of isolation to that Nkwo market (full name: Nkwo-Agu Umu-nri Ebenasa Amichi).

The story is much deeper than that, but I know for a fact, as a man who grew up next to his ancestors, that the Nri are secondary settlers wherever they are found in Igbo-land. Amichi is an Okotu town related to Osumenyi, Ogbodi, the Adazis, etc. and I am a “nwadiana” there, hence I am aware that my mother’s people, as the true owners of the land, are not excited to intermarry with folks of Umu-nri Ebenasa of the same Amichi.

There’s consensus across the entire southern Anambra—from Nnewi through Aguata and ending in Orumba—that the Nri were “foreign-turned-Igbo”. I am therefore surprised to discover here proof of what seems a serious attempt to elevate the Nri at the expense of their own hosts. And when a debater linked to Nri says here that “Igbo and Igala are related” I hope he or she is aware that 1) it isn’t a flattering declaration to any Igbo person who is clear about his aboriginal identity; and 2) the right statement would be that “the Nri and Igala are related/cousins”.

To the Igbo of the interior, the Igala is as foreign as the Bini. The Idoma is in fact closer. And as you can imagine, we are just as clear as to the origin of the Onitsha folks and of most of their neighbouring towns. Ancestors, modest and tolerant, may not speak frequently of these heavy matters to the young, until a need arises—for example on the question of marrying into a certain clan; that is when they sit you down and tell you who is who in your State, local government, and town.

I will just end by pointing out that if wealth accumulation and modesty—the two hallmarks of the true Igbo entity—are held up as the ultimate standard for counting or discounting one as “purely aboriginal Igbo”, then the Nri and most of their northern Anambra hosts are clearly immigrants from a different ethnicity/nation. The two wealth belts of the Igbo—1) from Anaocha/Idemmili down to Nnewi and ending right around Orlu; 2) the Bende area of Abia State—clearly leave out much of the Nri and their northern Anambra hosts. While they evidently are among the noisiest and the least modest of Igbo folks.

There is no doubt that the propagators of Nri flag-waving are driven by their own painful and in fact understandable need for a permanent resolution to their dilemma of “an Igala origin vs. Igbo identity”. For, the Igbo who are certain of their aboriginal status are usually the most modest and confident of us.

Mind you: my ancestors of Nnewi area do not detest the Nri one bit. But they see them for who they are: migrants from Igala-land who are now fully integrated into the Igbo culture. And we of southern Anambra aren’t alone in making this distinction; I recently spent a few days among the clan of the Eziowelle, Abba, Nimo and Abagana (Njikoka and Idemmili North) and these folks strongly distance themselves from their neighbouring Nri, implying rather diplomatically that “the Nri are from somewhere else”.

Globally, a culture’s purest people are found in the geographical center. As such, one who cares of the purest Igbo kind—least tainted by an outside influence—should look, for example, at an eastern Orsu person. It gets no purer than that, and there are also other such examples.

And lastly: Dear Abagworo/Abagoro, you are in the right and have my full backing, bro! Keep making that noble case. It takes a dangerous degree of bias to look at the attire of the traditional rulers of Nri and their northern Anambra host communities, and not realise by instinct that they are akin to those used by the non-Igbo cultures across the waters or, more importantly, to fail to notice the blatantly immodest and un-Igbo loudness of those regalia.

Strange things happen on naira land.
When did Orsu start speaking for Nnewi?.
Who gave you,a supposed 'orsu' man,leave to speak for Anaedo and its dependencies, especially on a subject you know zilch about?.
I'm tempted to think this is Abagworo,up to his usual mischief again.
A new moniker,created on the 26th November, solely for sowing seeds of discord on this thread.
Guy,desist

Una get too much time o.The OP is none other than Alh harem a.k.a ijaw citizen n whatever moniker he chooses to come up with.You all can see he knows nothing about the East or even pre-independence Nigerian political setup.Awolowo helped found University College,Ibadan?.Jesus wept.

abagoro:

Borno and Anambra are not in same condition. One is war torn and the other is misgoverned.

Misgoverned,says who?.
Assuming without conceding that be the case,what has that got to do with the case of evacuees from a strife-torn country?.
Your hate for anything Anambra sure has screwed some nuts loose somewhere.Do go take your meds,ere you run amok on the streets.

Abagworo: Nothing surprising. It only becomes a surprise when the usual liars and propagandists come out here to spew thrash about other Igbos and refusing to acknowledge the level of misgovernance in their State.

You are a certified id!ot,you know.What exactly brought that on,that stite u spewed there?.

[quote author=simpleseyi]

Op is a miserable liar. Children from female child of the King can never ever become kings. Ask any Yoruba man. Female children of kings are intentional made Regents because the female children know that they can never be king, so when they are made Regents, they do not try to perpetuate themselves in the position.[quote]
Erm.....Oba Adedapo Tejuosho is son to Esther Tejuosho and grandson to Osile Karunwi 1,whom he succeeded.Check the first three pages of this thread,we already thrashed all that out.
When it comes to kingship issue in Yorubaland,never say never.The oracle has the final say,afterall.

Mayor_of_Lagos:

My friend i already asked you to tell where Tejuosho's father is from. The issue is on succession.

By default the crown goes to the patrilineal blood except in waivers and on which occassion the candidate's patrilineal blood must still be vetted.

The Oba must do certain things which are sacred and in reverence to Oduduwa. These are rituals that are undertaken in the shrine itself.
Why do you think our youths are sacking Obas from their thrones? Because they swore oath to uphold the Oduduwa creed but then afterward want to practice jesus and mohammed creed from the throne. ..not gonna happen!

Are the Dike children of Yoruba paternity? That will never be waived. It has never been waived by our fathers or their fathers before them and in Oduduwa's name it shall not be waived in our time or that of children in our future. You can fantasize this waiver thing all you want and wish it was different but thats just the truth. It cannot be amended by constitution either because it is customary.

I really dont know why Yoruba princess will mix blood with Ibo. We have mixed blood with Tapa, Bariba, Hausa, Fulani, Edo and never had to come online to explain and straighten things out on issue of covetousnouss. Why cant Ibo be graceful and civilized sometimes? Just pretend sometimes that you are content with yourself and what you have and dont need what belong to others. Please!

I don't do ant-rants.Good night n goodbye from me.

By the way,none of u is yet to state the special circumstance or bring proof of any waiver that brought Tejuosho to the throne of Oke-Ona Egba.
@OAM4J,Mayor_of_Lagos,stop grasping at straws.Tell me why this happened or are the Egbas not Yoruba again?.
I do know there are Princes of the blood,of the male tail that could have ascended.

OAM4J:
I understand there are excemptions here and there but I used 'Never' with reference to the throne of Deji of Akure, Mrs Adesida-Dike and her children. Take it from me, with the reality on the ground of the present Akure, no waiver will make her sons heirs to the throne of Deji of Akure. Am sure she and her children know it.
There are just too many pure royal sons to be considered now and in many decades to come than to consider a waiver for her sons: Their father is not from a royal family, not from Akure, worse still not from Yorubaland. I know because I lived at Akure for some years and at time in a serious relationship with a Princess of Akure.

Now this?.Smh
Truly,does that twisted logic make any sense to u?

OAM4J:
Lol, let me make it simpler for you.
Like many said, she is Adele-Oba (One who holds the throne in wait) not Oba. She will NEVER become Oba not now and not in the future. Princess are never crowned, only Princes are made kings in Akure.
Her children are Princes and Princess of Akure no doubt because they have royal blood but they will NEVER become Oba (Deji) of Akure. Not because she married an Igbo man but because Kings are not picked from royal daughters but from Royal Sons.

This is what u wrote earlier.Spot the difference from ur later submission?

Christy G: bros,dat happens in vew rare cases.so i wont put any hope on it.even d adesida family is a big one so dere are lots of people to consider before looking her way.its like 2 percent chance

I get n quite respect ur point,it's the same everywhere even England till they passed a new law of recent giving male n female royals equal status.What really irked me are posters haughtily using the word "never",as if we don't have recent n living examples that clearly refute their claim.

Dhelake: This can't be compared with.... Akinsemoyin is another ruling house entirely... but in this case... the grand child's will be contesting with the name of the ruling house their dead grandfather used in being crowned

This is actually what the OP was saying.Doesn't matter what the regnant name turn out to be,the issue being that one of royal blood by right of the mother CAN contest.Jorge Mario Bergoglio is today known as Francis,hope u get my drift.

9jacrip: ^^^^^^^
A candidate from a maternal line will only be considered worthy of a throne IF there are no other options.
Yoruba place a major emphasis on paternal link in the cases of their throne especially.
This woman's kids are princes & princesses and will never be considered too 'original' anyway given the maternal link and their father not being from Yorubaland. This is not to down-talk the Igbo but even in Yorubaland there are some towns/family houses often 'swept to the side' in matters such as this.

OAM4J:
All applications will be looked into but know for sure that the Kingmakers know who they are looking for. Except by some clear and undisputed "divine pronouncements" or absence of any royal sons from the next Ruling family, or political powers interference, the kingmakers will not approve such application.

OAM4J:
All applications will be looked into but know for sure that the Kingmakers know who they are looking for. Except by some clear and undisputed "divine pronouncements" or absence of any royal sons from the next Ruling family, or political powers interference, the kingmakers will not approve such application.

Mayor_of_Lagos:

He succeeded through his matrineal blood but is his father a foreigner?

In Yoruba society the family compounds belong in totems and worship a deity. There is no family compound in Yorubaland that is excluded from this.

Mayor_of_Lagos:
The crossover from Akinsemoyin to the Ologunkutere dynasty itself was on the occassion of a matrilineal waiver when the son of the sitting Erelu (Regent) was coronated the Oba. Her husband, an Ijesha man, was from a totemic family, worshipped Yoruba deity and was an Ogboni templar.

Mayor_of_Lagos:

He succeeded through his matrineal blood but is his father a foreigner?

In Yoruba society the family compounds belong in totems and worship a deity. There is no family compound in Yorubaland that is excluded from this.

All u guys did is prove my assertion,the matrilineal line IS considered.Call it special circumstance or whatever,every selection process is special.
Btw,none is yet to show the "special circumstance" that allowed Adedapo Tejuosho succeed his grandfather to the throne of Osile Oke-Ona by right of his mother.
@St.Black,I'm not Yoruba.Doesn't matter if I am.I'm a historian,of Nnewi extraction n the political culture of the various peoples that make up the Nigerian space can be quite interesting.I don't hold with all that tribalistic nonsense u guys put up on here,so don't come at me from that angle ere I tell u ur agbo'le history.Let's make this an intellectual discussion,shall we?.We learn from one another that way.
Btw,I am Ibadan/Yorubaland bred,so I know what I talk about.

OAM4J:

Lol, let me make it simpler for you.

Like many said, she is Adele-Oba (One who holds the throne in wait) not Oba. She will NEVER become Oba not now and not in the future. Princess are never crowned, only Princes are made kings in Akure.

Her children are Princes and Princess of Akure no doubt because they have royal blood but they will NEVER become Oba (Deji) of Akure. Not because she married an Igbo man but because Kings are not picked from royal daughters but from Royal Sons.

Never say never.When Oba Oyekan died,his first son contested for the Obaship of Lagos,by right of his mother's house,Akinsemoyin.He lost,but he was considered still.
Matrilineal line,to some extent,is considered in Yorubaland.

Mayor_of_Lagos:

Lol. You took my liberty of saying King Dike too far. Here is how it works in Yorubaland.

To be crowned an Oba you must be patrilinealy in line to succession. Waivers are created in extreme circumstances and matrilineality is considered. In a waiver, the candidate's patrilineal line must belong in one of Yoruba totem cults and as well deities.

It will take a waiver to ever get any of her children to put on the coronet or beaded crown. If such were granted, their father must be of a Yoruba totem family and deity.

Just want to know,is the Osile Oke-Ona Egba of a totem family and cult?.Cos I know he succeeded of the matrilineal line,being the son of Esther Tejuosho n grandson of Karunwi 1

AIT has always been pro-PDP.Are u all just noticing?.

banki:

sometimes i wonder what you realy represent

His stomach?

here:
There is a reason I don't follow general opinion,I need to see the copy of the judgement and hope you can help me with that.
I have seen the prayers at Appeal and it was about if the President can declare his seat vacant which were in the actions,go through you will find where it's was stated that there is evidence to show both werent in good relationship.
Also notice I didnt cite Imo as I am working on available facts and actions before the court. No PDP is not wasting their time.I also was like how could someone like Obj's lawyer do the submissions he did kowning the outcome, as the court stated " The president has no right under the constitution to declare the VP position vacant"
So we need to know what the prayers were and how many were granted not what most persons here believe.
We cannot keep arguing over a judgement no one has pasted even a paragraph but I suggest you read the Appeal's


Copied from that link I provided
In The Supreme Court of Nigeria
On Friday, the 20th day of April 2007
S.C. 31/2007
Before Their Lordships
Sylvester Umaru
Onu
...... Justice, Supreme
Court
Dahiru Musdapher ...... Justice, Supreme
Court
Sunday Akinola
Akintan
...... Justice, Supreme
Court
Walter Samuel
Nkanu Onnoghen
...... Justice, Supreme
Court
Francis Fedode Tabai ...... Justice, Supreme
Court
Ibrahim Tanko
Muhammad
...... Justice, Supreme
Court
Pius Olayiwola
Aderemi
...... Justice, Supreme
Court
Between
Attorney-General of
the Federation
Inspector General of
Police
Independent
National Electoral
Commission
.......
Appellants
And
Alhaji Atiku
Abubakar
(Vice President,
Federal Republic of
Nigeria)
The National
Assembly of the
Federal Republic of
Nigeria
The President of the
Senate of the
Federal Republic of
Nigeria
Speaker, House of
Representative of
the Federal Republic
of Nigeria
.......
Respondents
Judgement of the Court
Delivered by
Sunday Akinola Akintan
The 1st respondent, Alhaji Atiku Abubakar,
commenced this action by an originating summons
filed on 4 th January 2007 at the Court of Appeal
(hereinafter referred to as the court below). The
action was instituted under the original jurisdiction
of that court provided for in section 239(1) of the
1999 Constitution. His claim before the court is as
follows:
"1. Whether having regard to the
combined provisions of Section 135
and 142 (2) of the Constitution of the
Federal Republic of Nigeria 1999, the
Plaintiffs term of office as Vice
President, Federal Republic of Nigeria
which commenced on 29th of May,
2003 still subsists.
2. Whether having regard to the
provisions of Section 142, 143, 144
and 146 of the Constitution of the
Federal Republic of Nigeria 1999, or
any other provisions of the
Constitution of the Federal Republic of
Nigeria 1999 or any law, the President
of the Federal Republic of Nigeria can
declare vacant the office of the
Plaintiff as Vice President of the
Federal Republic of Nigeria.
3. Whether having regard to the clear
provisions of Section 308 of the
Constitution of the Federal Republic of
Nigeria 1999, the President of the
Federal Republic of Nigeria can
withdraw, tamper or interfere with or
violate the immunity conferred on the
Plaintiff as the Vice President of the
Federal Republic of Nigeria by that
section and or direct his arrest or
prosecution.

Claim 1 being the crux of the case was resolved in favour of Atiku.It effectively says no executive officeholder can be removed from office except in compliance with provisions of the Constitution. That is,by impeachment,death,resignation,permanent incapacitation or removal by an Electoral Tribunal.
I'm still looking for links to the judgement so I can post relevant portions here.

pro01: No need for a lengthy judicial process. Just expel the pro-APC lawmakers in the G-5 states (if they continue delaying fomal defection), and then declare their seats vacant, and thereafter get the replacement PDP lawmakers to impeach the foolish governors

Rad1cal:

Simples . Maybe this is just a decoy to distract the fools from the main plan

pro01: No need for a lengthy judicial process. Just expel the pro-APC lawmakers in the G-5 states (if they continue delaying fomal defection), and then declare their seats vacant, and thereafter get the replacement PDP lawmakers to impeach the foolish governors

Children,children.Remember the case of Senator Bode Olowoporoku from Ekiti state who was expelled from the party by PDP,yet retained his seat till the end of the 2003-2007 Assembly?.Or u were not yet born then?.

kunle4toye@yaho:
but do u remember there is an ammendment to our electoral law in 2010.

The electoral law deals with matters of election n the processes leading thereto,has nothing to do with constitutional issue n this is one.
'Sides,the Electoral act does not say anything about the President,Vice President,Governors n Deputy Governors decamping from the party that brought them to power.If u know of any obscure provision that alludes to this sort of situation,pls point it out to the house.
Going by the judgement of Atiku v Obj,executive office holders are allowed latitude to decide where they want to belong.It's not pretty,but it's what it is.

manmade: I believed you don't know what you are talking about. When and if any of the governors or their deputy died why do u think they don't call on 1st runner-up candidate from the other parties to step in?

Who is this one?.
We talk of defection of executive office holder n u are mixing it up with executive succession issue.Do u guys make use of ur grey matter at all or u just comment based on ur current abdominal disposition?.

Obiagu1:

Do you have links to the said judgments?

Funny,the case is not being cited on the Supreme Court's Judgement Information System n I don't have subscription for Nigeria Law Reports.I'll look for other links n post them here soon.

Goddex:

Hello sir!!! Didn't get your last sentence

Go read the lead judgement of Amaechi v Omehia,the SC specifically says its unique n can't be cited as precedent.It's why it's not bn cited by the lawyer in this case.So,Atiku v Obj still is the prevailing law as concerns executive defection.
I just laugh at u ignorant lot dancing naked in the marketplace.Executive office holders can defect as much as they like once they've achieved office,the constitution is silent on the consequence for doing so ere Atiku v Obj.

Goddex: The battle has just begun. Owelle Judas Okorocha, APGA is waiting for you lol.
nPDP reps and Senators are wise enough by delaying announcing their own defection because of the constitutional provision against them.

Erm.......just one insurmountable hurdle to PDP achieving anything with this case,Atiku v Obj.Remember that case n how it went down?.
Due executive office mandate are reposed in the office holders,not the party.The case of Amaechi v Omehia was an exception n the Supreme Court emphasised that when they gave judgement,so it can't be used as precedent.

Okoro2015:
What the ops did was just to point out that the cardinal has abdicated his duty at Ahiara. This is against the spirit of the papal appointment. If anybody is relying on victimization to cow the Mbaise spirit when they are on a proven right path, that person is on a loooong thing i tell you.

What duty did he abdicate?.In case u still don't get it,his primary responsibility is overseeing his Abuja archdiocese n his parish church in Rome.All else comes a distant second.You all asked for this rejecting a duly appointed bishop,live with the consequences

Archbishop Adewale Martins was brought from Abeokuta diocese to become the Archbishop of Lagos,heaven has not fall.Bishop Kukah was a priest of Kaduna Archdiocese before he was made Bishop of Sokoto,there's bn no murmur about him being a stranger.What is it with Mbaise people n this nonsense they persist in fronting?.
FYI,the Bishop of my home diocese Nnewi is from Utuh in Anambra.Nnewi has thousands of well qualified priests who could be bishop,the bishop of Minna being one,yet we are very happy with the bishop we got.
Cardinal Onaiyekan is right,there's no way he can ordain priests he does not know.Being archbishop of Abuja,I'm sure there's not much time left for him to start going on familiarization visits to Ahiara parishes.Y'all brought in these ant-infested firewood,deal with the visits from lizards.

Pharoh: There is no fallacy there as i have told you that both were practiced in Ndokwa land and it is this fact i am pointing to that there is nothing east of the Niger that was better than what we had. This is why i said it is not a dick measuring contest because you have nothing to prove to me like i have nothing to prove to you too. You guys always make derogatory remarks about us and you have to take my remarks in that context too and if you go back to my original post, you will see that i was laughing. There would have been no need for this kind of remarks if you people respect the wish of others because left to we ndokwas we got no problem with anybody.

Except for few examples like the aboh kingdom, aros etc, both sides were practically at the same level because there was nothing like one big organized igbo group at that point in time. I am referring to ethnic grouping during this period because the aros went about their life as aro people before the whiteman came with the igbo identity and this gives the foundation to claim a southeastern society. Despite all these you can claim nri and aro to be greater while i can claim mine to be better. This is why i said it is not a dick measuring contest because if not we will just go on and on from pages to pages but take it as a jibe and leave it there.



So what do you know about the Ndokwa people history, structure and organization to make such a remark?. If it is tiny to what is obtained east of the Niger then you should be proud to stick to that instead of disturbing other people to identify with you. It might be tiny to you but we are proud of it, we will stick to it and will not give it up for any rubbish you have east of the Niger. You guys should be concerned about your igboland because even if you gain your independence from Nigeria today, you will still not not develop to your real potential because of this same lack of social development i am alluding to. You can be proud of whatever you obtained precolonial times but am telling you that if it was really sophisticated, you will not be crying about FG neglect because your society is an homogenous society unlike the present space occupied by Ndokwa people. Instead of you to look inward and fix your society, your preoccupation is to disturb other people in place of fixing your dysfunctional society that is hampering your own development.

Dude,u are blowing hot air.And ere u think to obfuscate issues,we are talking about social structure n organization here.You know,that claim of being socially n organizationally superior to eastern tribes since time "immemorial"

Pharoh: To imagine people east of the niger thinking they know the history of a people that were socially more developed than them from time memorial to this day.

Pharoh: They are the same people just as aniocha and oshimili people come together to refer to themselves as enuani. It is because one is a land based community while the other is a riverine based community. Two systems inside one community of related people but even those who did not organize themselves in a monarchy system still have some social structure and organization embedded in their system. The consciousness is still intact and with the benefit of modern civilization then they only need to be in the confinement of their own space to push development forward.

This is unlike in the southeast where they have been in their own confinement for a long time to this day but the roots of what the colonialist met before organizing them to this level is still embedded in the present dispensation. This is not a dick measuring contest for me because we can go on and on to argue our points without anyone accepting the view of the other. The point i am trying to pass is what you should focus on and there won't be issues like this if people are respected for the way they wish to structure and organize themselves.

The point of the aboh reference is for you to cite a similar system across the Niger because you rightly said that though distinct but they are actually one group. Those times have past and we live in the modern era but the truth is that you guys are not still socially organized to bring out the best out of a population of over 30 million people. This 30 million is composed of many educated people but instead of them to fix themselves first, the most important thing for them is to disturb themselves about anioma people.

We are together known as Ndokwas and what ever a sub component achieves is the glory of the whole group.

I did say he would dodge the question,didn't I?.
Btw @Pharoh,since you've shown you know next to nothing about the social structure n organization of Igbo tribes east of the Niger,I would advise u educate yourself ere u keep making a show of urself.If memory serves right,there's a recent thread on Oka,its history,structure n organization here in nairaland's culture section.Its not that comprehensive,but it would be a nice place as any to start ur education. Like u said,it's not a dick measuring contest.Believe me,that of ur area is but a very tiny weeny compared to what obtain east of the Niger.

Radoillo: Uhm....explain "socially more developed" in this context, if you don't mind.

Uhm......you'll probably wait till kingdom come for him to explain that.Tis something he simply plucked out of the air.
I would really love for him to explain how Aboh (their greatest) was socially more developed than,Nnewi for instance,before the white men came.
Not gonna happen tho,he simply does not know what he says

agbotaen: 1. i dont know who the igbos are trying to deceive and convince ,if majority of ika rejected being igbos in 1967 , and up till now they are not part of ohaneze ndigbo , is that not a statement?
2. igbos were not known to have kings in the past but now all their villages are now quashi kingdoms , and they are cannot tell us that they borrowed kingship from ika/ bini people .
3. your numbers do not matters to us , isreal is one of the best nations and they are less than 5 million , even the over 40 million igbos claim to come from isreal , thats a shame .oooooooooooo.
4. ika is small but we are very organised , while for almost 1000 years our towns and villages and kingdoms were ruled with a proper political monarchy , the so called igbos were still living in unorganised villages and hamlets , if not for british that developed big tows in igbo land , they would still be living in unorganised states.
5. ika people are preserving their language and culture , our bible is under way , our dictionary is under way , so let me see how your igbo language will dominate ika , i go see , you people better wake up , ika is a seperate language that has similarities with bini and igbo language and it is not igbo , it is a seperate language worth studying to any level , it is a language that is more complete, and we are proud of it.
6. igbo was formed by the british less than 200 years ago , and ika people are not part of that formation , we are our own people .
7. 90 percent of ika culture is from edo areas , with 10 percent coming from igbo areas , but ika has never claimed to be benin , and we have never claimed to be igbos too , we are just ika people.
8. yes ika has been influenced by our neighbours but we have resolved to bring back ika language and culture and remove all things that are not ika from it , and teach our people to be ika proper.
9. our villages are called idumu and thats not an igbo word , our family is ebon/iboze/agbon , and our towns are called ogbe , this are non igbo words , and in our language we know words that came from igbo and those that came from edo ,

10. ika people migrated into ika from benin, ishan, ora, ndokwa, aniocha, igbo and even yoruba , and all these people inter married and exchanged cultures and became ika ethnic nation , but each of our villages still kept their history and ika is a rich nation .
11. no matter what igbo propagandists say , we we ika people are not moved , we will not join your ohaneze ndigbo and we will not say that igbo is our tribe , because we are ika people. and for your information the monarchical system adopted by asaba is very recent , it is not as old or traditional as agbor or owa or umunede monarchy ,so go and study delta north history . or have you seen obi of owa or obi of abavo or umunede or dein of agbor in ohaneze meetings before ? or are they members ? the answer is absolutely no , they are only members of ogua/onu ika

Ebo and ogbe are not Igbo words?.Dude,u drunk or something?.You can keep dissociating yourself from your Igbo kin if u like,but don't spread such falsehood here again.