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sagombugo: You sure need help with your grammar construction! I don't know if they still sell brighter grammar,go get one!

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Dude,stop clutching at straws.Either u respond to the substance of his posts or u keep quiet.Did the process of handing over schools start late 2010,long after Ngige was kicked out of office,or not?.

abagoro: I personally challenge you to point out "Abagworo's revisionism" as you claimed. In all my statements I've always acknowledged Nri's influence but I boldly say it that Nri is not an Igbo aboriginal group for they came and met Igbos who were already settled. I'm ready to challenge anyone on that. The earliest Igbos are the Ihites/Ifites or Nfunalas or literally those that sprouted from earth or those that have lost history of ever migrating from anywhere and meeting any previous peoples.

Back up ur assertion with verifiable proof,else shut the eff up.

Radoillo: OK, just to clarify a few issues:

I don't agree 100% with the article written by Dr Nwaezeigwe which Abagworo posted. And I stated that. The dates don't add up. I have independently encountered traditions saying Eri was igala, and I shared it, quoting my source in full. I don't neccessarily agree that the information I shared is the correct version of events. Indeed I'm very skeptical about all oral tradition, especially those dealing with periods earlier than the 18th century or so. I was sharing information for information's sake. Simple.

And I never denied Nri's position in the scheme of things. They cleansed abomination in my town, like they did throughout Northern and Western Igboland. They performed ozo initiation rituals for our men. Their hegemony no doubt shaped the cultural history of the people under their ritual sway (and that includes Awka people). But I just can't stand someone saying Awka was an Nri colony, or settlement, when we all know what Nri traditions say about the relationship between the two towns. Nri traditions acknowledge Awka was the older of the two.



And Chinenye is actually more knowledgeable than u give him credit for. Just had to point that out.

Sorry I could not find a less 'demeaning' term than 'ordinary' while trying to make my point. *shrugs*

Can u point to where it was said Awka was an Nri colony n who said it?.I've bn following this thread from the start,can't find where such claim was made.Asking for the origin of Urueri people n how they came by the name does not equate calling Awka Nri colony,unless u are grasping at straws.
Chinenye might be good in conducting research,but he invariably fails at being able to connect the dots of the various pieces of information he comes across n forming a full picture therefrom.I did say he misses the forest for the trees earlier,didn't I?

Radoillo: Chinenye has explained what an oracle is.

I tried to paint a simple picture explaining one aspect of the differences.

Nothing future needs be said. It's embarrassing that this is a topic of dissent. I've always assumed that it was a generally acknowledged fact.

But anyway...

I'll just take my ASININE self off of here.

U run cos u know u goofed big time on that score.Admit ur mistake n let's move on,don't hide behind Chnenye's wrapper.What the guy does not know about Igbo culture,be it his own Ngwa culture or the wider Igbo culture,is much.I used to think u know better until u started immersing urself in Abagworo's revisionism n there u got lost.
Acknowledging Nri-Oka civilization n the role played by the Nri does not take anything away from the part played by Oka.
Nri is not all of Igbo,but they did play a great role in shaping what we know today as the greater Igbo culture along with other Igbo groups like Aro.That is not such a hard thing to acknowledge n accept.
Oh,my beef with u is not about the most renowned of deities,that is a matter of individual opinion actually.My grouse is with ur classification of Oracular n "ordinary" deities,whatever those mean.

ChinenyeN: ^^^ The answer you are looking for has been explained in two independent posts (one of which you just quoted). Nonetheless, I'll do my best to further clarify for you.

What do you ordinarily think of when you think of "deities"? Answer: Gods/goddesses that are venerated & worshiped, surrounded by ritual and myth and mysticism. Hence, ordinary deity. This is unlike oracular deities, whose primary functions include prophecy, divination and consulting via oracles. Hence, oracular deity.

And u still missed the forest for the trees.My question still stands,what made such deities as named in my earlier posts less oracular in function than say,Ubinu Ukpabi?.Going by qualities u listed,they all are oracular.
I daresay u know little or nothing of listed deities,not even sure u know much of ur own Ngwa deities.I would have loved Radoillo to answer my question since he's familiar with those deities I listed n what they do/do not do.Yet he went ahead to make such asinine assertion.
Btw,said deities are variants/structured after the Ogwugwu.

Radoillo: An Oracle

1) Is particular to a location, a town. It doesn't have its shrines diffused all over the place (like Ala, Njoku, etc).

2) People from far beyond the borders of the PARTICULAR town where the oracle is situated, recognize its power and are willing to surrender to its judgement. And travelled all the way to the PARTICULAR town where the oracle is located.

3) People seeking to consult the oracle come to that single PARTICULAR town where the oracle has its abode from far away.


ORDINARY DEITIES
1) Ala is in every town. No one travels from Abakiliki to consult Ala in Isuikwuato.

2) The Ala of Isuikwuato does not judge cases in Aba-Ngwa. Ibini-Ukpabi (an Oracle) of Arochukwu could and actually did settle disputes in places as far away as Nembe, Bonny, Onitsha.

3) The Ikenga owned by Okeke of Aguluezigbo cannot be consulted by Okafor of the same Aguluezigbo. In other words Okeke's Ikenga has power only in Okeke's compound.


ARE WE GETTING A HANG OF WHAT AN ORACLE IS, AND WHAT AN ORDINARY DEITY IS?

What exactly do u mean by Oracular n "Ordinary" deities?.Are such deities as Edo-Ezemewi,Ogwugwu EzeKwuabor,Udo,Akpu Umudim less oracular in function than say,Mmiri chukwu (yes,that's what we call Ubinu Ukpabi) as to be termed "ordinary" by the likes of u?.U once claimed to be familiar with that part of Nnewi where Ogwugwu EzeKwuabor is located,what is that common (read popular) saying held about the deity?.
@Op,absolute nonsense.This is but symptomatic of that Ikwerre virus that has long infected Abagworo,the less reasonable people respond to it the more swift his speed to recovery is sure to be.

Radoillo: Do they speak different dialects in different quarters of Nnewi? I heard Nnewi people say, "Bia uka a" (Similar to Awka's "Bia ika a". But I never heard any Nnewi person say that while I was at Otolo-Nnewi.

"Bia uka a" is right,though it's gradually being replaced by "Bia ebe a".Same as "rinne" is being replaced by "hinne".
You should have gone round the four Quarters to get the full feel of Nnewi dialect.

Btw,from ur earlier posts it seems Nnewi dialect is majorly a mix of Nri n Awka.At least,what we speak my part of Nnewi (Uruagu)

Radoillo: LOL. Because I disagree with the Nri-centric view of Igbo history, I don't know my people's history again, eh? I certainly know more about my people than you do. I've been researching them since I was 17. I have tried as much as i can to give an objective account. I rejected some of the 'claims' I found in our traditions, and didn't include them here because they weren't substantiated.

There's nothing to feel insecure about. If I can say so myself, Awka left its mark. I don't need to deny Nri its due in other for my own to shine brighter. But I've noticed that Nri writers are over-stretching their hands. Go and read the traditions of Akokwa people about Nri. I didn't want to delve into it because it might prove controversial, and i dont have the time for a word battle.

Urueri is ancient. Very ancient. They have no traditions of coming from anywhere. We know when Nri came. The traditions are there. If the traditions could remember when Nri came, but can't remember when Urueri came...<shrugs>

U are conflating Eri n Nri.Nri proceeded out of Eri.I do believe more research need to be done on Eri descendants n their settlements,not just Nri.
Back to topic,right from childhood my elders always referred Nri-Oka as if they were one.They may be different people,but I think they evolved a single civilization not parallel ones

Of course,we knew then that Ngige lied.His explanation then wasn't even coherent.
This goes to show what regard he has for our culture n institutions.

This Ngige can lie o.Only the lie no gel sam sam.
Who is Obi to give instructions to priests in the presence of the Archbishop?.Did Obi also instruct the Archbishop to rebuke Ngige for campaigning in the church?.
For the little minds here,we all know no politician can order Catholic priests around.So we know who is lying here.

He doesn't just appear broke,he is broke.
We just closed our local chapter of one the organizations canvassing for him due to lack of funds.Not that we were really canvassing or believed the man would make it.
Tells u how he intends to run the state were he to be mistakenly elected.

George Ozodinobi belonged to the Chekwas Okorie camp that was booted out of APGA long ago n thereby went on to form their own party,UPP.
OP is being mischievous here as those welcoming/joining APC here are UPP members,not APGA.

Ngwakwe: This is the summary my analysis of the Candidature of Chris Ngige based on my in-depth experience on South East Politics (I pray make my boss no read this comment).

Chris Ngige is a medical doctor by profession, Ngige graduated from the University of Nigeria-Nsukka in 1979. He immediately went into the civil service, serving at the National Assembly and State House clinics
at different times.

He retired in 1998 as a Deputy Director in the Federal Ministry of Health. Yet he weren't at anytime independent neither does he own any clinic till this day.

Ngige was an instrument to Anambra State destabilisation from 1999 to 2002. He lacks conscience and entered into agreement to loot the State treasury with his acclaimed godfather Chris Uba. He never extricated himself as he was defeated in court by Uba and was bound to pay Uba N600,000,000 of Anambra's money because of his signature on completion of contracts that were never done.

Ngige lacks any managerial skill and experience, he only learnt few things from Kalu who assured him of security while both exchanged visits often . To buttress my point, he governed Anambra State using Orji Uzor Kalu first term model who specialised in road construction and education empowerment while every other aspect of governance receives little or no attention.

If Uzor Kalu who added educational empowerment through compulsory free education to SS3 and Adult literacy centres and added "all Ngige's achievements" to his prowess in his first term was less than average for Abians, Dr Ngige certainly is bad product for Anamberians.

God bless u n urs.

kingbang: Gathering of clowns!

I tell u,their stewpidity has no cure

Chai,see desperation!.
There's no gutter too low for u people to wallow in just to bring the man down cos he's in a pole position to win.Yesterday it was the rumour of double registration,today this.
Word of advice,go out n campaign for ur candidate.Focus on his positives n what he would achieve should he perchance win.Stop running Cuccinelli's campaign here.It's not working.
Gosh,u guys are a gift that just keeps giving

manny4life: I know of a book that Dr. Alutu College of Excellence wrote, I read the book and the book is comprehensive.

Not only is it comprehensive,but its also the officially accepted written history of Nnewi.Same one that funny character that arrogates airs to himself on this forum dare dismiss.Smh

Here is what u initially wrote:

Bidam: Tithing on the other hand is by Abrahamic covenant not a one-off event cos His children and grand children did tithe.Abraham taught them.

When challenged to give biblical backup to ur erroneous assertion,u come up with the mumbo-jumbo of the Melchizedek priesthood being an Abrahamic covenant?.Gen.17:2,4-5,7-14 gives an example of how God establishes a covenant in the OT.That is the covenant of circumcision u so dismissed offhand,by the way.Ex.12.is another.
Where then did the Bible elevate the meeting n blessing of Abram by Melchizedek n Abram giving him a tenth of his booty,to the status of a covenant?.
Thus far,you've been unable to point to one single biblical verse to show Abraham's children paid tithes or even that Abraham did so more than once in his lifetime.The rest of ur response I count as white noise,doesn't deserve mention nor be replied to.
Far be it from me to pass judgment on u,but of ur own words u nailed urself as a shameless liar n one who's words and actions are likely to grieve the Spirit unless u retrace ur steps back to the ancient path.

FreeGlobe: now you agree Chime has worked well in the state capital, tell us where obi has worked well and why you rate him 7/10. You must be a failure yourself. Obi is not anywhere near Chime's radar.

Don't ever quote me again nor comment on any of my posts.Thus far on this forum you've shown u played truant day God gave out commonsense.I do not deal with ur type nor have the time of day for u n ur ilks,so sod off.

warrior01: Did you just imply that Chime performed better than Obi? Bia, if na joke you better stop am. With the wholistic governance going on in my beloved Anambra state and your ignorant assertion, I now believe that you know about good governance and wholesome development. Apart from Enugu metropolis that was the former capital of Eastern Nigeria and old Anambra state, can you really pinpoint what has change about Enugu state and the life of the ordinary "wawa man' in general

Afam wouldn't know anything about wholistic development even if it smacks him in the face.Not saying Obi has got it all alright,were I to rate him I would give him 7/10.As to Chime,whoever says that working on only the state capital equate development n good governance needs to have his head checked seriously.The roads leading to the Nkanu lgs are as yet impassable,worse than they were 10yrs ago,yet here we have Afam claiming Chime has performed.
I wonder the last time he went home tho.

Bidam: Circumcision is a lame and flimsy argument anti-tithers always bring.I can confidently show you from OT scriptures where the circumcision that God talks about is of the heart which was also buttressed by Paul in the NT. gentiles still circumcised their children even without knowing Christ. Circumcision of the foreskin is NOT a requirement of salvation was the argument of Paul.

Tithing on the other hand is by Abrahamic covenant not a one-off event cos His children and grand children did tithe.Abraham taught them.

Tithing was regulated under the LAW.In the NT we tithe by FAITH.

That is new.
Where in the Bible did any of Abraham's eight children tithe?.Give us chapters and verses asap or I will henceforth start naming u liar on here and on other threads.
Also,show us where/whence Abraham entered into this "tithing covenant" with God.
The only grandchild of Abraham's that paid a tenth of his property was Jacob n it was in fulfillment of a vow he made years earlier.Again,he only paid it once,not repeatedly as is the modern wont.
As to the other leg of your argument,what Abraham,other patriarchs n other godly men did thru all the ages was freewill giving.Without compulsion,not out of fear,no specific amount/percentage required n certainly with no expectation of being paid back in whatever fold.Our God is not a money-doubler.It's this same freewill giving the Apostles practiced n Paul encouraged,you know the "God loves a cheerful giver" thingy.
Waiting on u to provide chapters n verses on ur assertion that Abraham's children n grandchildren,Esau especially,paid tithes.Also,where n when Abraham entered into tithing covenant with God.Don't think u can duck it,Bidam.

Bidam: Tithing predates the mosaic law. The book of Malachi talks about tithing as a covenant between God and Israel

Circumcision predates mosaic law.It was a covenant between God and Abraham n all his descendants.In fact,it's the one true pre-mosaic covenant.Why is it not being harped on by present day preachers?.Why 10% tithe regime?.And pls,don't bring in the 'Abraham paid tithe' argument.What he gave was a tenth of war booty once n gave the rest back.It wasn't a covenant established n nowhere in Genesis is it stated that Abraham repeated that.It was a one-off event.

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Cuche: Pokur from Gombe? Are you sure? I thought he is from Anambra and I was informing him of the last minute effort to install Obi ano especially the 'greetings ' after morning mass.
Do you think Obi ano can probe Obi should he win?

Idjit.I am a full-blooded son of Anaedo,currently in Lagos,but registered to vote in Anambra.Can't quite say the same for u.
It's a free world tho,so carry on with ur online mission of salvaging what's proven to be a wreck of a campaign for Ngige.Nov.16,we know the result.Mgbe ahu,ebunu afu ndi kpu aturu.

Bensonn: thank you my friend. The clown pokur lives in the north precisely Gombe, he is not recognised in his real hometown. So ignore him and his fellow lunatics while u do d best you can to mobilise real voters for Onwa

Dude,are u madt or something?.Where did u know me before apart from nairaland as to deduce I live in Gombe?.
You are quite lucky I didn't follow/pay attention to this thread as to catch that nonsense u posted on time.
Now I give u one warning,as long as u last here on nairaland,never ever make mention of my username nor respond to any of my posts again ere I teach u how we make water flow uphill.
Agafu di ka gi.

fyneguy: Calm down, will ya?!

1. Ngige sought permission to hold a rally in Onitsha

2. Obi granted him permission

3. Ngige held his campaign rally in Onitsha

4. Obi is angry

Now switch on your brain, and tell me who's at fault. Truth is Peter Obi is the one instigating the Obi against Ngige. The Obi has no justification for getting angry if he indeed granted permission to Ngige. He shouldnt allow politics to debase his stool

Don't u quote me to pass subtle insults ever again.I'm not one of ur fellow nl kids nor am i in ur league .
Now,since you seem to have comprehension problem let me point out but two contradictions in said apology.

Adejoro74: He said what happened was that we received permission from the Palace, and the Palace Secretary even asked us to give him the protocol list of the governors and other dignitaries that will be coming, because we planned to pay a courtesy call on Obi of Onitsha.

“We were told at the middle of the rally because we could not pay a courtesy call on Obi of Onitsha, because our Director for Operation, Mr. Okonkwo Okom informed us on Tuesday morning that further communication will be after the Ofala some other time”

“There was never a time we came to disrupt the Ofala festival and we never intended to disrespect the revered traditional ruler of Onitsha, Igwe Nnaemeka Achebe and Onitsha culture and tradition, as we hold him in high esteem just like we do to other traditional rulers in Igbo land. There was a communication gap and if that resulted in any embarrassment to the Igwe, our party, APC and myself apologise for that” he said.

For one who's brain is supposedly switched on u didn't notice the contradiction inherent in claiming they were told they could not pay a courtesy call middle of the rally (said rally held in the afternoon),Director of Campaign Organization informed them of said decision n the reason behind it Tuesday morning.
Your brain might be switched-on,but it's greatly lacking in common sense.
"To whom brain is given,sense is expected"

wesley80: Good Lord! What has happened to Ngige? You took permission to what? This guy seems to have been eating too much of the wrong kind of soup lately, how can you seek permission to do what only a most ignorant and uncultured stranger would do? And what was he expecting the Obi to tell him? 'No, dont hold any rally I'm holding my Ofala? Of course not, if a fool refuses wise counsel and walks in with a suicide rope, simply help him tie a noose and point him to the door - One less slowpoke to worry about!

He took permission n then later claimed communication gap.He thinks we are kids,dumb enough not to notice such contradictions.The guy must be high on some strong stuff

Afam4eva: Make i no lie, with the kain crowd wey i see for Ngige campaign, if i be Obiano, i for don dey run temperature. The crowd was massive. I think Ngige is the governor in waiting. Nothing can stop him. I think the Obi of Onitsha who happens to be one of my favourite Igwes in Igboland should desist from being partisan. There's nothing wrong in doing one's campaign on ofala festival day. Does it mean that there's no one doing their wedding, birthday, church crusade etc on the same day? Why take it out on Ngige? I just hope the relationship between Ngige and Obi Achebe will not be similar to that of Rochas and Eze Ilumuanya when Ngige becomes governor.

Dude,you've been lying a long time.What makes u think anyone will take whatever u say as the gospel truth?

Italiano1: This is becoming live comedy show from our brothers in the SE.

So this Sylvester is not his son?

When Debe Ojukwu came out and disgraced Biancar, you guys also said he is not his legitimate son despite the remarkable resemblance.

I tire for UNA.

Does Ojukwu have any legitimate children left?

She o r'aye e lode.U see ur life?.Sylvester Debe Ojukwu,long disowned by Dim Chukwuemeka even while he lived,not acknowledged by any of his kinsmen.
On a serious note,is this the sort of endorsement Ngige is trotting out?.This campaign is a disaster.

toothpaste: With his smartness let him battle with ngige now. We in Awka have decided to eat oha soup with pounded yam while they slug it out.

As a matter of fact we are also making amala and ezigbo ofe nmana for ngige and his visitors. Obi would learn his lesson now.

kingbang: Whats this? Igbo indeed.

And we don't eat pounded yam with oha soup too.Easy to know an impostor

Cuche: Yes I agree with you . Lol!
I think the political gladiators need examination for bipolar disorder, meniac episode, brief psychotic disorder, delusional episodes. If the criteria for mixed episodes are present disqualification should follow.
But let's wait after the election debate.
we won't make the mistake of voting in a person with history of schizoaffective conditions

Like I said before,u are not well.U need to be cared for asap.

Bensonn: my revalation of ur shameless sycophantic job must have shocked you. Hence you said you did not understand what i said, my friend you must be dumb for i did not write in german or french. Start submitting ur low grade CV because Obi will be outsted from Ziks house and ur shameless trade of praise-singing a thief like obi for a living will ground to a halt. Onye ara!

Erm.....shouldn't u have checked in to an institution by now?.
It does seem u have the beginnings of acute schizophrenia.U show all the symptoms.Might even run in the family as I advised one of ur fellows to seek help earlier this morn